Some of the most optimal pics for Tinder and online dating:

   

This pic has tested extremely well.

Looking aside the looks-factor which is not so clear in the pic the following can be done:

+ expertly shot seemingly "natural" pic displaying full physique - not bathroom selfie
+ ripped
+ tattoos
+ motorcycle - extra r-select
+ financially safe surroundings - potentially his own house/garage/other car in the back

So it's a concoction of multiple things. Most men can work on almost anything except of course the mug - it's just telling that you have to go into such length to reach a strong buy via online-dating. Then ultimately you have to get a pro-level photographer to do good pictures.

so basically you need to look like a prime brad pitt to be sucessful in tinder.

Surely Simeon is being ironic. MotoChad is going to clean up on r-type tinder. Men under 7.5 will struggle outside unmarried mothers’ bastard interest in K-type men.

This is Tinder related and not ironic.

I have had guys who are killer in streetgame approaches - 8+ looks plus charisma. They struggle like crazy on Tinder getting matches of course, but sub-par mostly and difficult to get a meeting. With pics like that and some workout that same guy can kill it on Tinder, if that is his goal.

A guy in the 6-7 looks category could pull this off - you can rent it all and diet and workout is almost free.

My ironic part is simply that the online dating market has become so competitive, women are getting sooo many offers that only the upper-tier marketing material goes through. The picture above has it all and beats any bathroom selfie or stupid photo you can come up with easily. It encompasses close to all metrics on the visual dating app medium like Tinder.

(09-13-2018 06:01 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  This pic has tested extremely well.

Of course it did, I can see why as aside from looks he's got his house in order from the looks of it.

But for the average guy to do this, it's too much effort for little return in the UK (bar London) IMO, I've given up on Tinder and Bumble, Badoo is good for EE but not the UK.

Simeon I have tested pictures like that as well and that is what girls want to see.

I have a similar problem where I look decent and do well in person but on Tinder I struggle and it all comes down to the marketing.

There was an 7/8 I matched on Tinder and she barely responded when I tried talking to her to ask her out. When I met her in person she had the look like she couldn't believe that was me. Ended up fingering her that night with very little game input.

Its all in the marketing.

I'm in the process of getting my body in order to get pro pics (like that) done next year.

I know guys hate online dating and Tinder (I do too) but it is the BEST WAY to meet girls now. I can nightgame every night but you won't able to reach that 8 or 9 that doesn't go to clubs or bars. With Tinder you can reach all areas and all types of girls.

< That's exactly what I meant. The pic shows optimal marketing. If Tinder marketing and success were a college course, then the prof would say:

"OK - gents - here you have Steven who is a barkeeper. He likes to stay in shape, often forgets to eat (thus low body fat) and has some tattoos. The picture was taken by a friend with solid photography equipment in front of the motorcycle and house of another older friend. He does not even drive a bike himself since he lives in a small apartment next to the bar he works in. He just created the best marketing friendly Tinder pics to get the best matches with the hottest girls in town. Now - who can say what boxes Steve ticked off here?"

Heh - maybe in the year 2075 when the world has accepted the Red Pill.

(09-13-2018 06:01 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Some of the most optimal pics for Tinder and online dating:



This pic has tested extremely well.

Looking aside the looks-factor which is not so clear in the pic the following can be done:

+ expertly shot seemingly "natural" pic displaying full physique - not bathroom selfie
+ ripped
+ tattoos
+ motorcycle - extra r-select
+ financially safe surroundings - potentially his own house/garage/other car in the back

So it's a concoction of multiple things. Most men can work on almost anything except of course the mug - it's just telling that you have to go into such length to reach a strong buy via online-dating. Then ultimately you have to get a pro-level photographer to do good pictures.

That is a great example.

Simeon_Strangelight do you have any other pics that convey the same or similar marketing.

I agree with Simeon.
The only thing you need is to sell yourself with high quality photos looking good. The photos don't have to necessarly professional as many smartphones and small cameras have the desired quality for our pourposes, but the fact is that you need a good angle in which you look attractive and masculine. You don't have to ultra ripped off, but you need to look on shape. You donät need to wear Ralph Lauren , but a good combination of clothing style and colors. The haircut is key as well.

The main picture is key, but all the other play a small role. You need to be slighlty interesting and overa all look attractive and masculine. Bathroom selfies and the mayority of selfies in general are all of the question unless you are way over average, which is not the case for most of us. Just find a way to sell yourself, you don´t need to exagerate.

I am a tinder disaster. I have spent $600 on boosts and other nonsense in the last two years and all I have to show for it is a few dates with 5s and 6s. I got addicted to boosts in Brazil and Ukraine when I first got the passport feature, I would match and chat with 7s 8s and a few 9s and often move it to whatsapp. After a few days the conversation always fizzles out. Going back to the wasteland of USA west coast cities, I am ashamed to admit that I have even gone as low as 3s and 4s and even they ignore me. Looks wise I consider myself around 7 but obviously this means nothing based on tbe horror show I described. All of the pics are me in front of scenic monumente/parks. Going to Latin America soon and debating to see if things go any different. Or I might just permanently move into a van down by the river.

(09-15-2018 03:27 AM)Westcoast99 Wrote:  I am a tinder disaster. I have spent $600 on boosts and other nonsense in the last two years and all I have to show for it is a few dates with 5s and 6s. I got addicted to boosts in Brazil and Ukraine when I first got the passport feature, I would match and chat with 7s 8s and a few 9s and often move it to whatsapp. After a few days the conversation always fizzles out. Going back to the wasteland of USA west coast cities, I am ashamed to admit that I have even gone as low as 3s and 4s and even they ignore me. Looks wise I consider myself around 7 but obviously this means nothing based on tbe horror show I described. All of the pics are me in front of scenic monumente/parks. Going to Latin America soon and debating to see if things go any different. Or I might just permanently move into a van down by the river.

You are better advised to learn to approach than swipe on Tinder. Tinder is a top-man's Game except for very advantageous markets (for example rural Russia/Ukraine/Brazil for an American man).

Read Roosh's Game works for indirect Day Game and then Krauser's works for Direct Day Game. There are a myriad advantages for approaching girls during the day - instant one on one, ticks off the romantic "just happened box" etc.

But at least it's a skill that you can learn. Do the first 100 approaches, log your progress after you have read up on the basic theory.

Tinder is supplemental pussy best used with way above average looks and fantastic pictures best with the example above or similar ones. For some men it's certainly sufficient, but that's the minority.

I am a tinder disaster. I have spent $600 on boosts and other nonsense in the last two years and all I have to show for it is a few dates with 5s and 6s. I got addicted to boosts in Brazil and Ukraine when I first got the passport feature, I would match and chat with 7s 8s and a few 9s and often move it to whatsapp. After a few days the conversation always fizzles out. Going back to the wasteland of USA west coast cities, I am ashamed to admit that I have even gone as low as 3s and 4s and even they ignore me. Looks wise I consider myself around 7 but obviously this means nothing based on tbe horror show I described. All of the pics are me in front of scenic monumente/parks. Going to Latin America soon and debating to see if things go any different. Or I might just permanently move into a van down by the river.

(09-15-2018 03:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 03:27 AM)Westcoast99 Wrote:  I am a tinder disaster. I have spent $600 on boosts and other nonsense in the last two years and all I have to show for it is a few dates with 5s and 6s. I got addicted to boosts in Brazil and Ukraine when I first got the passport feature, I would match and chat with 7s 8s and a few 9s and often move it to whatsapp. After a few days the conversation always fizzles out. Going back to the wasteland of USA west coast cities, I am ashamed to admit that I have even gone as low as 3s and 4s and even they ignore me. Looks wise I consider myself around 7 but obviously this means nothing based on tbe horror show I described. All of the pics are me in front of scenic monumente/parks. Going to Latin America soon and debating to see if things go any different. Or I might just permanently move into a van down by the river.

You are better advised to learn to approach than swipe on Tinder. Tinder is a top-man's Game except for very advantageous markets (for example rural Russia/Ukraine/Brazil for an American man).

Read Roosh's Game works for indirect Day Game and then Krauser's works for Direct Day Game. There are a myriad advantages for approaching girls during the day - instant one on one, ticks off the romantic "just happened box" etc.

But at least it's a skill that you can learn. Do the first 100 approaches, log your progress after you have read up on the basic theory.

Tinder is supplemental pussy best used with way above average looks and fantastic pictures best with the example above or similar ones. For some men it's certainly sufficient, but that's the minority.

I agree with Simeon's analysis and the example above-- it doesn't get much better than that photo. You still need solid text game (primarily fuck up avoidance, some shit test diffusion and getting her out asap) and game in-person to close.

Pro photos will take your results to another level. I've done online game for years and the outcome is night and day. It's still a grind- but I get way more matches, bangs and repeat bangs with hotter women than I did previously.

So I have been having a lot success with tinder 2 weeks ago. I noticed that all my super likes would lead to a match. So the past week I decided to get Tinder plus since half my matches came from super likes and tinder plus gives you an extra 4. However I have gotten no matches with super likes once I made the switch. Has anyone else gone through this? I feel like tinder is not sending my super likes.

I just had some semi-pro pictures done and, I must admit, it's knocked my confidence. Even the best pictures which have been processed can't possibly compete with Simeon's chad and the motorbike.



I'm surprised how the image I have of myself in my head is just so much better than the reality. It's been another bite of the red pill for me; a reality check.

I DO (for whatever reason) get some IOI's in real life but I was hoping to add online dating as another 'revenue stream' for getting dates in addition to approaching.

These are just my musings right now, I've been to much of a pussy to even activate my Tinder profile yet.

Also can't believe how fucking skinny I look in pictures! Skinny and bald. Not good.

(09-17-2018 07:17 AM)Sender Wrote:  I just had some semi-pro pictures done and, I must admit, it's knocked my confidence. Even the best pictures which have been processed can't possibly compete with Simeon's chad and the motorbike.



I'm surprised how the image I have of myself in my head is just so much better than the reality. It's been another bite of the red pill for me; a reality check.

I DO (for whatever reason) get some IOI's in real life but I was hoping to add online dating as another 'revenue stream' for getting dates in addition to approaching.

These are just my musings right now, I've been to much of a pussy to even activate my Tinder profile yet.

Also can't believe how fucking skinny I look in pictures! Skinny and bald. Not good.

that guy would be like 1 in 100 000. The competition isn't that steep haha. Pretty much 90% of guys can be at least top 10% with some effort in my opinion.

What's your height/weight?

That photographer might have sucked too though. I find having a photographer who respects you tends to have better photos. The best photos I ever had done were by my bpd lover. During the idealization phase of the relationship I got the best photos ever. Been so hard to get photos as good as those. She was also mega talented visually.

(09-17-2018 11:33 AM)jacknap Wrote:  that guy would be like 1 in 100 000. The competition isn't that steep haha. Pretty much 90% of guys can be at least top 10% with some effort in my opinion.

What's your height/weight?

That photographer might have sucked too though. I find having a photographer who respects you tends to have better photos. The best photos I ever had done were by my bpd lover. During the idealization phase of the relationship I got the best photos ever. Been so hard to get photos as good as those. She was also mega talented visually.

6ft and around 150lbs now. I was getting pretty fat a couple of years ago and lost a lot of weight by going low carb. Dropped around 7inches in waist size.

You may be right about the photographer, he was a kid that does it as a hobby. My thought was that his lack of experience would make the images look more authentic.

In reality, it's possible the main problem was that I was a bad 'model'. I didn't feel particularily comfortable doing it. Perhaps there's something to be learnt from this...

Here is my tinder convo,

Me: Did my sexual fantasy just appear before me?

Her: Hahahaha did mine?

Me: when is the next time your going to be in XXXX?

no response from her in over 24 hours?
Not attached to her but would like to bang

(09-18-2018 10:58 PM)Funkbus40 Wrote:  Here is my tinder convo,

Me: Did my sexual fantasy just appear before me?

Her: Hahahaha did mine?

Me: when is the next time your going to be in XXXX?

no response from her in over 24 hours?
Not attached to her but would like to bang

Too direct too soon... always move them off Tinder asap.
Be careful taking it sexual with girls you haven't met, it screams thirst.

Thanks man, advice taken.

Oh Tinder.

I fired it up again a few weeks ago. 1 bang from it so far, but mostly it's been the typical send a few messages back and forth and then the conversation sizzles out.

But one thing that has been different for me this time around, is that I have been unmatched for little to no reason. First girl lived like 20 minutes away. I told her where I lived...she unmatched. Bitch was a 6 at best.

The most recent one was strange. We had a good rapport on Tinder. I got her number and sent her a text. She never replied and then I noticed she unmatched me. No rhyme or reason why. I thought we had good banter. I guess I was wrong.

Women are definitely getting their ego's inflated to record proportions from these dating apps. I didn't think it could get any worse, but I am being proven wrong every time I open the damn app. And I don't even think there is a way to fix it. Well, there are two ways:

1) Men stop using these apps altogether
2) These apps are erased from existence

And neither of those are going to happen.

Obviously men should be using these apps as a supplemental way of meeting women. You're only cheating yourself if it's your sole means of talking to females.

(09-17-2018 12:10 PM)Sender Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 11:33 AM)jacknap Wrote:  that guy would be like 1 in 100 000. The competition isn't that steep haha. Pretty much 90% of guys can be at least top 10% with some effort in my opinion.

What's your height/weight?

That photographer might have sucked too though. I find having a photographer who respects you tends to have better photos. The best photos I ever had done were by my bpd lover. During the idealization phase of the relationship I got the best photos ever. Been so hard to get photos as good as those. She was also mega talented visually.

6ft and around 150lbs now. I was getting pretty fat a couple of years ago and lost a lot of weight by going low carb. Dropped around 7inches in waist size.

You may be right about the photographer, he was a kid that does it as a hobby. My thought was that his lack of experience would make the images look more authentic.

In reality, it's possible the main problem was that I was a bad 'model'. I didn't feel particularily comfortable doing it. Perhaps there's something to be learnt from this...

you missed my point. he's a guy who likes photography. I'm saying a girl who thinks you're super hot + likes photography is better. Or a gay guy. Because they will focus on your sexyness rather than 'artsy' looking photos.

Do you not what I mean? There's cool looking photos because of the backdrop/pose etc. vs. photos that actually make you look sexy. Two completely different things and most photographers care more about the photo looking good and you looking good. Those are not always the same thing.

(09-19-2018 11:29 AM)jacknap Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 12:10 PM)Sender Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 11:33 AM)jacknap Wrote:  that guy would be like 1 in 100 000. The competition isn't that steep haha. Pretty much 90% of guys can be at least top 10% with some effort in my opinion.

What's your height/weight?

That photographer might have sucked too though. I find having a photographer who respects you tends to have better photos. The best photos I ever had done were by my bpd lover. During the idealization phase of the relationship I got the best photos ever. Been so hard to get photos as good as those. She was also mega talented visually.

6ft and around 150lbs now. I was getting pretty fat a couple of years ago and lost a lot of weight by going low carb. Dropped around 7inches in waist size.

You may be right about the photographer, he was a kid that does it as a hobby. My thought was that his lack of experience would make the images look more authentic.

In reality, it's possible the main problem was that I was a bad 'model'. I didn't feel particularily comfortable doing it. Perhaps there's something to be learnt from this...

you missed my point. he's a guy who likes photography. I'm saying a girl who thinks you're super hot + likes photography is better. Or a gay guy. Because they will focus on your sexyness rather than 'artsy' looking photos.

Do you not what I mean? There's cool looking photos because of the backdrop/pose etc. vs. photos that actually make you look sexy. Two completely different things and most photographers care more about the photo looking good and you looking good. Those are not always the same thing.

OK I get you now, man. I just gotta find someone to do it.

Ironically, my ex-LTR always refused to take pics unless we were both in it coz I think she sensed that I wanted pics for online dating for after we split.

Two things i hate about tinder

No hookups - when did Tinder become a relationship app

Femmes Transgeres - seriously they move to grindr or something

I've been hoodwinked twice this week after getting back on after a hiatus. Two warm leads that later turned out to be single moms. At this point if I get any kind of compliance (I get the digits quickly) or the conversation doesn't fizzle out and she seems keen then I'm very, very skeptical. She's taken a hit on her SMV somehow.

Also, I was in Warsaw recently and I was getting catfished by fatties. It was happening more regularly this year.

Meeting a girl with your SMV or even slightly below it is now almost impossible, bar the odd piece of luck.