(11-27-2016 07:06 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  In the past 5 weeks — since this current incarnation of Tinder — I've netted the following stats:
85 matches, maybe 60 of whom ended up responding
30 number closes
4 dates
1 bang
2 more makeouts out of those

Does such a match-to-bang rate seem to be pretty on par for you guys?

It's quite a gigantic effort just to secure one bang, especially when you consider that
1) some of the ones whom I did number close but fizzled out later on were really promising (more on that later).
and 2) At the same time, I met up with another 6 from OKC, Bumble, and Happn, all of which got to nowhere save for 2 makeouts and another 3 who may possibly require a longer game.

....I really need to make IRL game more of a priority this December :/

Those stats more or less match my stats.

My game has gone down the fucking pan in the last two weeks thanks to Christmas and freezing cold weather.

Have had about five flakes, two girls I've flaked on myself due to logistics not being perfect. One girl tonight lived close, would have preferred to come close to where I live. She said I could park at hers so thought they could be a chance. Guess what, she lives with her parents, went to some shit local bar which closes for drinks early. Basically told me she's going home after and she deleted me from Whatsapp and Tinder (as they do, even after a bang they usually unmatch me from Tinder). Women fucking love the block function. What was she? A 38 year old who lives with her parents. In her world she's entitled to the best cock on god's green earth, because some hot studs banged her and ditched her here and there, probably 15 years ago.

I can't remember the last time I got the bang meeting a girl close to where she lives, their investment is essentially zero and you are not in control of logistics. It's really best avoided, unless she invites you straight to hers. It was all too easy for her to just walk to her warm home and finger herself to sleep to Chad Thundercock.

I deleted my account and started it again. I got my tinder plus back but not my boosts. And the price for boosts doubled.

Had a date with a slightly chubby mid 20s asian 6.5 from this straight to mine. I wouldn't have bothered to meet her otherwise. She said she was just looking for fun. I think as soon as she saw my place her mood changed a bit and got me to try to invest. Suddenly I was boyfriend material. Got her to the bed, poor at kissing, hairy pussy. Bad signs. Told me it's too early to have sex. Was she worth the effort? No. Kicked her out within 5 minutes.

If I were living in Germany or the UK exclusively, I would have uninstalled Tinder a long time ago.

Everyone who used this app for more than one year in western european countries knows how shit sucks, yo. And if you travel abroad regularly and have international references, you know why.

At the beginning I had a couple of interesting dates. But in the long term the reality was a date quota of 2%. I had to get 100 matches to go on a date with 2 girls who met my standards. Barely, that is.

But at this point I think that if a girl wants to meet without much hassle that there's a catch. Her photos might be better than her real looks, her personality is bland or she's damaged.

Especially german girls under 30 show some real spoiled behaviour. The best way to date such a girl is to fuck her on the first date. If you don't, she will not be interested in you anymore and her hamster in her head will start working, coming up with the stupidest bullshit "I'm not feeling like meeting again/I am really to busy".

Nice to know: We call those typical german girl showing this behaviour "Petra".

Sure, fucking on the first date is possible. But you have to jump through some hoops. And some girls still don't feel like it and you will waste a date while scaring them away. Sweet.

After having this happen over and over again, I decided this degree of effort is not worth dating the occasional horse girl / hippie bitch.

It's not that I want to hate. In my opinion, the situation in England was even worse. Yes, thats possible. I have never experienced that degree of flakiness, bad behaviour and bad looks as there. In the US it seems that you can still pull consistently, at least. But is it worth it?

My profile, photos, text game and looks are maxed out, and it still isn't enough. The dynamic isn't like 80/20 anymore, its 99/1. Pretty scary.

This system is rigged against your favour. There is no point playing. While day game is still a valid option, online game ultimately shows whats wrong with western society. You have to play dancing monkey, tweak percentages to pass the test and deal with absurdly high standards and bad personalities. I recommend everyone to not put fuel on the fire. Geo-Arbitrage is the alternative.

That's it for my rant, had to get it out. After being on cloud nine in EE I had a massive wake up call after I returned

^ I stopped at least 6 months ago, and that was only after about a year of seeing how silly it really was. Even SA is getting worse and worse now, which is funny --- but at least you message a lot.

If you read any of the above, make sure it is this:

Quote: And if you travel abroad regularly and have international references, you know why.

   

(12-06-2016 01:21 AM)GodIsMan Wrote:  No shameless self promotion thing but I've figured out a way to auto swipe on tinder using android so you can increase your matches to 30 a day minimum
https://godismanblog.wordpress.com/2016/...on-tinder/

Your phone needs to be rooted though but it allows you to other shit like play your ps4 or leave your phone autofinding bitches for you whilst you're at work then you can just reply to you matches/siv out the fatties on your lunch breaks

I'm surprised this works. Last time I checked Tinder uses an ELO ranking system, meaning every fattie you match with lowers your own rank and drops you further down the list when women swipe. Additionally, I thought Tinder would wreck your rank for swiping right indiscriminately.

(01-02-2017 12:50 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:21 AM)GodIsMan Wrote:  No shameless self promotion thing but I've figured out a way to auto swipe on tinder using android so you can increase your matches to 30 a day minimum
https://godismanblog.wordpress.com/2016/...on-tinder/

Your phone needs to be rooted though but it allows you to other shit like play your ps4 or leave your phone autofinding bitches for you whilst you're at work then you can just reply to you matches/siv out the fatties on your lunch breaks

I'm surprised this works. Last time I checked Tinder uses an ELO ranking system, meaning every fattie you match with lowers your own rank and drops you further down the list when women swipe. Additionally, I thought Tinder would wreck your rank for swiping right indiscriminately.

This. Don't use autoswipe, this isn't 2013 where you can download an APP and autoswipe 500 girls and still be ok.

I'm going on dates with perhaps a 3-5% match rate. Bang rate much lower. This is in a developed country. In 3rd world country like PH majority of bangs was Tinder / OKC.

Haven't had Tinder bang in a while (where I am based), had great success while traveling using it. I really think its all location based. Then again, I've literally cancelled dates on girls who have a "curfew" or other "date limitations" based off previous experiences.

(01-02-2017 12:50 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:21 AM)GodIsMan Wrote:  No shameless self promotion thing but I've figured out a way to auto swipe on tinder using android so you can increase your matches to 30 a day minimum
https://godismanblog.wordpress.com/2016/...on-tinder/

Your phone needs to be rooted though but it allows you to other shit like play your ps4 or leave your phone autofinding bitches for you whilst you're at work then you can just reply to you matches/siv out the fatties on your lunch breaks

I'm surprised this works. Last time I checked Tinder uses an ELO ranking system, meaning every fattie you match with lowers your own rank and drops you further down the list when women swipe. Additionally, I thought Tinder would wreck your rank for swiping right indiscriminately.

Autoswiping is still a viable strategy provided you reset your profile every week to reset your ELO.

It's all about how you value your time. Manual swiping is tedious and boring, if I reset I can swipe 11,000 girls in my area leaving Flamite on in the background in one day. From that I get about 40 matches.

This is a fascinated topic imo. I will say I'm not convinced your ELO score actually resets.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3054871/what...ing-system

Quote:Looking up your score on Tinder is even more jarring. Rad teased me about it several times over dinner one evening, gauging what my score might be as he swiped through a slew of Tinder profiles on my phone. It was one thing to know my Uber rating, but did I really want to know my Elo score on Tinder? When I asked whether he could look up my rating, Rad responded, "Do you want me to do it now?" All he needed was my email address.

Considering your email address is linked to your FB account, I'm inclined to believe your ELO score does not reset when you create a new Tinder account with the same FB/email address.

(01-02-2017 04:28 PM)corsega Wrote:  Autoswiping is still a viable strategy provided you reset your profile every week to reset your ELO.

It's all about how you value your time. Manual swiping is tedious and boring, if I reset I can swipe 11,000 girls in my area leaving Flamite on in the background in one day. From that I get about 40 matches.

I don't disagree that auto > manual for time investment, but I do wonder if the trade-off is worth it. The following questions are for anyone using an auto-swiper. Note: not meant as an attack, but genuinely curious how effective auto-swiping is. If it works for your goals, all the power to you. But my goal with Tinder is to get as many dates as possible with WB women. (Well, technically it's to get as many notches as possible.) Hence my questions are geared towards that goal specifically:

1. Just to confirm, are you saying you get 40 matches per day every day for a week. So close to 300 matches per week out of ~80,000 swipes? Or does it taper off as the week goes on? I can see this working in a very large city. But personally, I'd have to extend my radius to at least 40-50 miles to hit 80,000 girls. It's not worth matching with a chick 50 miles away as we'll never meet in person.

2. Out of those 40 matches: how many are bots/fatties/uglies? Give me a percentage for # of dates / # of matches. The total number of matches means nothing to me: person A can have 300 matches per week and one date lined up while person B can have 20 matches per week and 2 dates lined up. I would like to be person B.

3. We don't know what an abysmal ELO score would correlate to in terms of matches. Maybe even with the worst possible ELO score you can hit a match rate of 0.5% (which includes bots and fatties). Nor do we know what the penalty is for resetting Tinder and mass swiping (and if it caps out). At 40/11,000 matches, that's a 0.4% match rate. That sounds pretty low in my book, especially considering how many fatties and bots there are. You may have already bottomed out your ELO score. Or maybe not? But to know if resetting wrecks your ELO score we would need a guy with a baseline of at least a 5-10% matching rate (a very high ELO score) to try it out and see whether he still matches at the same rate.

(01-02-2017 05:55 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  This is a fascinated topic imo. I will say I'm not convinced your ELO score actually resets.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3054871/what...ing-system

Quote:Looking up your score on Tinder is even more jarring. Rad teased me about it several times over dinner one evening, gauging what my score might be as he swiped through a slew of Tinder profiles on my phone. It was one thing to know my Uber rating, but did I really want to know my Elo score on Tinder? When I asked whether he could look up my rating, Rad responded, "Do you want me to do it now?" All he needed was my email address.

Considering your email address is linked to your FB account, I'm inclined to believe your ELO score does not reset when you create a new Tinder account with the same FB/email address.

(01-02-2017 04:28 PM)corsega Wrote:  Autoswiping is still a viable strategy provided you reset your profile every week to reset your ELO.

It's all about how you value your time. Manual swiping is tedious and boring, if I reset I can swipe 11,000 girls in my area leaving Flamite on in the background in one day. From that I get about 40 matches.

I don't disagree that auto > manual for time investment, but I do wonder if the trade-off is worth it. The following questions are for anyone using an auto-swiper. Note: not meant as an attack, but genuinely curious how effective auto-swiping is. If it works for your goals, all the power to you. But my goal with Tinder is to get as many dates as possible with WB women. (Well, technically it's to get as many notches as possible.) Hence my questions are geared towards that goal specifically:

1. Just to confirm, are you saying you get 40 matches per day every day for a week. So close to 300 matches per week out of ~80,000 swipes? Or does it taper off as the week goes on? I can see this working in a very large city. But personally, I'd have to extend my radius to at least 40-50 miles to hit 80,000 girls. It's not worth matching with a chick 50 miles away as we'll never meet in person.

2. Out of those 40 matches: how many are bots/fatties/uglies? Give me a percentage for # of dates / # of matches. The total number of matches means nothing to me: person A can have 300 matches per week and one date lined up while person B can have 20 matches per week and 2 dates lined up. I would like to be person B.

3. We don't know what an abysmal ELO score would correlate to in terms of matches. Maybe even with the worst possible ELO score you can hit a match rate of 0.5% (which includes bots and fatties). Nor do we know what the penalty is for resetting Tinder and mass swiping (and if it caps out). At 40/11,000 matches, that's a 0.4% match rate. That sounds pretty low in my book, especially considering how many fatties and bots there are. You may have already bottomed out your ELO score. Or maybe not? But to know if resetting wrecks your ELO score we would need a guy with a baseline of at least a 5-10% matching rate (a very high ELO score) to try it out and see whether he still matches at the same rate.

I get about 40 bangable matches a week resetting every Friday and swiping on 11,000 women within 10 miles of my house. I unmatch all fatties immediately.

I've actually not been resetting or autoliking for a month or so. I do notice that the quality of girls I match with is slightly higher, but I spend more time swiping, so it's a tradeoff. My match rate itself seems to be the same.

In any case, the only way I can ever match 8s+ as a guy with an average-looking face is with superlikes.

So the next level is to bulk buy fake Facebook profiles with different emails. Problem is you'll have to switch to Tinder Plus for unlimited swiping via flamite, so its going to be tracked regardless.

My main facebook account got banned on Tinder I don't know why. I created a new one with a fake facebook profile, getting very few matches. The old one was getting 10x the more matches. Something is wrong here guys, houston we have a problem. Maybe I should buy a real facebook account?

But something very good came out of this, it forced me to do real approaches and up my night club game. Before I was dependant on tinder for more than 90% of my bangs.

Diversification is not just important in the finance world, it works wonders in the game arena too.

I'd consider myself an A player if

30% of my bangs came from online
20% came from day game
30% came from nightgame
20% came from social circle

This would be amazing diversification.

Since I'm cut off from Tinder this will force me to diversify, we should always see the glass half full

I've been back on Tinder for 2 days after a year and half hiatus. I was heavily into it before the hiatus, but got jaded and quit, focusing more on live approaching.

So far I must've liked maybe 300 girls (18-25, within 10k from me), with 19 6+ matches.

My sample size is still small, but considering I had hundreds of matches with similar results before quitting, here's a couple of thoughts:
- My standard opener from back then still works wonderfully. At this point 19/19 replied back.

- Came up with a good generic reply to the opener that is supposed to target the "feels". It can be used no matter what the girl replies. Got 5/5 very positive reactions.

- Message #3 is always asking if "they also live in [cool/hipster part of town with great nightlife]?". This is a bait to get them to ask if I live there, who I live with, what spots are good, etc. Logistics are tight.

- On the same subject. This has been repeated ad nauseam, but get your logistics in order. I'm a 5 minute walk from a bunch of bars - things get easy from here.

- I say in my profile that I'm a coffee addict. I'd estimate 20% of my matches eventually mention coffee during the interaction, if not on the very first message.

- Quality seems to have improved in Sao Paulo. Might be the summertime.

- I'm puzzled with girls that agree to meet on the same day you're matched together. Part of me sees it as a huge opportunity, but my experience has been rendering me very skeptical.

Had one girl, before quitting, who came home very late during the week and got very close to banging, only to sprint out at a given point, delete/block me from Whatsapp and Tinder, etc. I'm not pushy or threatening. The girl was just nuts.

I'm currently typing this because another one of these just left my bed and all I got was a set of blue balls. Extremely confusing behavior. I'm used to breaking LMR, but the chick was alternating between busting my chops about any and everything (my hair, the ring I was using, my puffy six pack courtesy of the holidays) and asking me to keep kissing her. Got her in her panties while I was balls naked. She kept saying we wouldn't bang, but then ridicule me when I gave her some space.

She wanted me to compliment her and couldn't fathom the fact that I wouldn't kiss the ground she walked on. For the record, she is a bonafide crossfit hoe 7 - so not that big of a deal. There's things I can't do overall, not just with girls. One of them is giving out compliments when I don't mean them.

In the end I told her to GTFO. I'm kind of kicking myself for it, I could have banged if only I could make some shit up, but I stuck to my principles, so that's that. I'm 0/2 for same-day-meet girls. My dick will continue to push me to meet them, but my brain is really making his point across that it's not worth it - specially in times of fake rape accusations.

- I would like to rack up some notches but these broads really make me question my desire to do so and make me want to just look for a nice quality girl from live approaching.

- I can't trust a girl I meet on Tinder. Can't make them a girlfriend, simply can't. Truth be told, I've never met one that I thought could be relationship material. Still, even if I did I don't think I could follow through. Yeah yeah, the girls you approach live might have Tinder accounts - but some level of respect and romance die inside of me when I find out the girl has a Tinder profile.

I've been keeping two stable girls, one for the last 6 months and another for 2 or 3, so Tinder is a just a plaything.

I'll try to give it another week, but I don't think I'll be using much of it in 2017.

(01-02-2017 11:36 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  So the next level is to bulk buy fake Facebook profiles with different emails. Problem is you'll have to switch to Tinder Plus for unlimited swiping via flamite, so its going to be tracked regardless.

There's no indication that Tinder tracks your Apple or Google Play accounts for ELO purposes.

There's also no indication that your ELO persists even after resetting (deleting account and removing Tinder from app settings in your Facebook), although this seems slightly more likely.

(01-03-2017 12:50 AM)Ringo Wrote:  In the end I told her to GTFO. I'm kind of kicking myself for it, I could have banged if only I could make some shit up, but I stuck to my principles, so that's that. I'm 0/2 for same-day-meet girls. My dick will continue to push me to meet them, but my brain is really making his point across that it's not worth it - specially in times of fake rape accusations.

Girls that shit test you that much want you to be extremely dominant with them. I agree it's weird territory to be in for a girl you just met. It's stupid behaviour on their part and they are too dumb to even think that it might put you at risk for legal trouble later. Call the girl out on it next time, snap her out of that mindset. You have to find a way to switch her out of that mindset or get her to admit she wants to be rough. Both are difficult but possible.


You sound like you already know that's what she wanted I just want to re-enforce the idea because it's true. If she wasn't trying to fuck she would've left before you or her got close to naked.

Good luck with tinder.

(01-03-2017 03:17 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 12:50 AM)Ringo Wrote:  In the end I told her to GTFO. I'm kind of kicking myself for it, I could have banged if only I could make some shit up, but I stuck to my principles, so that's that. I'm 0/2 for same-day-meet girls. My dick will continue to push me to meet them, but my brain is really making his point across that it's not worth it - specially in times of fake rape accusations.

Girls that shit test you that much want you to be extremely dominant with them. I agree it's weird territory to be in for a girl you just met. It's stupid behaviour on their part and they are too dumb to even think that it might put you at risk for legal trouble later. Call the girl out on it next time, snap her out of that mindset. You have to find a way to switch her out of that mindset or get her to admit she wants to be rough. Both are difficult but possible.


You sound like you already know that's what she wanted I just want to re-enforce the idea because it's true. If she wasn't trying to fuck she would've left before you or her got close to naked.

Good luck with tinder.

This is a good assessment.

I did try being a bit rougher physically. I've been grappling for years now so my hands and grip are pretty tight - she's a petite 21 year old, couldn't handle me squeezing her ass with 30% strength . Verbally I could have done a better job commanding her and shutting her bullshit down.

The main thing, I think, is that she's a spoiled brat who is used to being complimented and having everyone kiss her ass, so she flipped when I didn't want to play her game.

Thought I'd never hear from her again but surprisingly she's been blowing up my phone with messages to meet up again, wants to have a drink tonight.

Does anyone know if there is any tinder location spoof available? It seems that avenue has been shut down, is only tinder plus available for out of GPS territory swiping?

I'm honestly ready to give up on tinder at least as far as the US goes. I have tinder plus and swipe right maybe 30+ a day on average. I don't even average more than 2 matches a day and the majority of the girls I do match are either fat/ugly or they just don't respond.

In the 8 months or so that I've had tinder (tinder plus), I've gone out with three girls from it. One looked kind of like a man, the second was ugly, and the third was pretty hot but she was too uptight and ended up breaking things off after the second date.

I used to only have one photo of myself on it, and I recently added 3 more. Same results, if not even less than before.

I really don't know how guys pull off getting many notches from tinder, especially without dating. Does it have anything to do with where I'm located (Houston)?

(01-03-2017 06:25 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I really don't know how guys pull off getting many notches from tinder, especially without dating. Does it have anything to do with where I'm located (Houston)?

Tinder is really shallow.

What do your pictures and bio look like? Pictures obviously being the most important thing.

(01-03-2017 06:28 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 06:25 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I really don't know how guys pull off getting many notches from tinder, especially without dating. Does it have anything to do with where I'm located (Houston)?

Tinder is really shallow.

What do your pictures and bio look like? Pictures obviously being the most important thing.

They aren't the best pictures, but they are from a few years back when I was pretty fit. A lot of girls ask me if I'm Indian based on my main picture because it is kind of dark. I'm actually a light skinned middle eastern guy with hazel eyes, not Indian or Indian looking at all.

I've mainly only gotten Middle Eastern/ South Asian girls and black girls to match. I actually don't mind that because I am mainly concerned with getting flags from tinder, but I can't recall more than a couple of decent looking white or asian girls matching me in about a year.

I'm pretty stumped. My pictures aren't great by any means, but I'm a tall and handsome guy (being objective).

Houston is a big place and pretty diverse.

Sounds like you figured out your own problem. Get better pictures. I'm like a 5/10 in a small-mid sized city and make about as many matches as you do.

There's a thread here somewhere about how to take good pictures. I'll go dig it up.


https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45167.html

This is a good start. Check it out

Checked out the thread that you posted and I will take the advice soon. I am in the process of losing weight, which is why I was using old and more fit pictures. I see the issue now though, and within a short time I'll get those good photos and report back with the results.

I think I started using Tinder back in late October or so. And I have had semi-good results. So far 3 bangs, all within the 3rd meetup/date. I have another prospect that I hope becomes Tinder bang #4 on Thursday, but I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch. Going over to her place to watch a movie and that usually means we will be fucking.

However I will say that the girls I have banged are in the 34-40 age range. They are 4-5's. I think the 19-28 year old age bracket just gets hammered with messages and someone mentioned earlier that these girls are just overwhelmed and not really sure who or what to do.

And I know it's been harped on so much, but the audacity of some of these girls is ridiculous. Land whales who demand that a guy be over 6 foot to even contact them first is just so fucking asinine. They are in NO position to make such demands. But the environment has created these fucking monsters and we have to deal with it.