Post: #126

I am not really into the low dollar/street girl thing.. that to me is just dangerous and a little depressing. Although I have no problem with (p4p)paying to fuck morally.. if it were legal to give another couple of hundred to a stripper I like to close the deal, or incentivize some cute young woman financially to do what I want her to do, I would see no problem with any of this

Post: #127

If prostitution were legal, and not socially shameful or risky, 99% of the white knighting asshats would drop bitches like a bad habit. Giant economic boost + actually rational gender relations where the playing field would start to approach normal.

I would prefer game, but if it were legal and the risks not there, I'd have no shame in banging whores once in awhile. I mean, what's the difference between a chick you pay $35 who you don't give a fuck about, and a not-really-attractive chick who's kinda below you that you spit some game at and don't give a fuck about? Yeah, wrap your shit like fuck, pretty much what Niel said (spot on), but if it keeps you happy and/or it helps normalize the fucked-up sexual marketplace, why not? I think women would be happier too--not chased constantly for pussy, and rewarded for more than having a cunt to stick things in (oh my god! DC girls might actually have to act like normal human beings!!!)

We pay with our time, indirectly our money, our attention, our effort, and our exertion, to get laid. Why not just make sex a commodity? If masturbation is via pornography, and sex for money is okay as long as it's RECORDED FOR PORN, how is it any different?

Post: #128

(12-31-2012 03:43 AM)Anon-A-Moose Wrote:  We pay with our time, indirectly our money, our attention, our effort, and our exertion, to get laid.

I pay with sex. The effort and attention I give because I want to.

Post: #129

(12-31-2012 01:10 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  I'd be very curious to see the effects of legalizing prostitution would have on the mindset and mentality of women in the west. One of the reasons why the feminists are fighting tooth and nails against it is that they full know that legalized prostitution would take away their monopoly of pussy and all the flow of money, gifts and other incentives that they use to get from men in exchange of sex. And it would of course change the mindset and threshold for BS tolerance for a lot of guys on what they have to go through to get laid. Think of it in its simplest terms:
- cabbing it to the club 30-40 bucks each way
- 20-30$ cover charge
- overpriced drinks at 10-15 even 20$ a drink.
- 2-4 hours of putting up with all kind of BS and mind games not to mention attitude from some 3 or 4.
Total at the end of the night, you've easily spent 100-150 without any play or garantee for action.

Now put that versus paying a set fee of 30-50 or even 100 to have a hot sexy escort fuck your brains out for an hour or 2.

The point is that when faced with the above, a lot of guys, specially those with less game or those who value their time more than money and have no patience for all the hooplas they have to go through, then the 2nd option will sound very tempting. And that my friends is going to make a looooot of women out there extremely unhappy. As guys would realize they no longer need to put up with all their crap nor to shell so much for little or no return at all. So from that perspective, it would definitely make the dating world out there a lot better and make girls come back to reality and make them reconsider their grossly inflated sense of entitlement and horrible attitude.

Currently the dating scene in NA is nothing short of legalized prostitution as Mark Rudov nicely put it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cANgHUOjpm4

And ironically, legalizing prostitution in NA would actually end this other more pervasive form of legalized prostitution that is the current dating market in NA.

VP, prostitution is already legal in Canada, any guy can call up an escort from the Yellow Pages or the back of any newspaper and order up an escort and be banging within an hour, the Mounties aren't going to raid the room and he isn't going to have his name and picture in the paper, as is commonly done in the States. I don't know about Toronto but in cities like Montreal, Calgary, Vancouver and Edmonton, you can walk into any "massage parlour" and get laid, for a hefty price.

So whats stopping Canadian guys from giving up on dating and just banging hookers instead? DIGNITY.

A lot of guys refuse to do it because they couldn't live with themselves after doing so, as I mentioned previously, once you cross that bridge, its a bit of a slippery slope, depending on the guy doing it.

I know guys who get more ass than a toilet seat but once in awhile, usually after a night of partying with the boys, will call up a couple of whores, get some drugs and go crazy.

I also know guys who resort to hookers on a regular basis and that's the only time these guys get laid. Instead of looking to game and self improvement (often out of ignorance) they just give up and settle for an escort once or twice a month. This is huge in the oil sands, where a Saturday night special (8-ball and escort) will set a guy back about $500, the equivalent of a days work for most.

Myself, yes I've done it before, the first time at 17 in Hamburg, Germany (year 2000) when I was too young and stupid to consider any consequences this may have on my personal life, I just paid the price and busted a nut in a Russian hooker who, until this day was the most beautiful woman I've ever stuck my weiner in. Since then I've done it a few more times, including one night in Colombia that would surely make Charlie Sheen proud.

If I could do it all over again I would have never banged that hooker on Herbertstrasse because its something I feel shitty about and ashamed of
, even when I occasionally do it now, 13 years later. I just wish I'd known more about game and what I could have done to attract more women back when I was in my late teens, early twenties so I didn't get to know about how fun partying with hookers actually can be, lol.

Anyway, I'm in Thailand now and chances are I'll be getting a soapy massage at some point. I'd say that I'm pro-prostitution as long as its regulated and clean, I just want to give a perspective for the young guys on the forum that may be reading this.

There's a whole other side to the "game" lifestyle that most of us older guys know about or actively engage in: hookers, drugs, party girls, etc. For better or worse, I've been involved with this scene since my teens and its something that I can handle, I've had some awesome times but I've also seen some pretty fucked up shit. Like I say, its your choice whether or not you want to engage in this but there are risks, I've had a few friends fuck up their lives really bad by getting into this type of scene.

For the record, I've had the clap twice and both times were one night stands with girls I pulled out of bars in Edmonton, Canada and had unprotected drunken sex.

End rant.

Post: #130

Alright.

Enough of this non-sense.

Serious question for everyone:

What if a guy pays for and bangs 100 hookers? Loser right?

But what if he then converts them all to having sex with on the regular for free? Winner right?

Ok. But what if he then converts all of them to hooking for him and paying him all the dough? Straight up Pimp right?

Thoughts?

Post: #131

(12-31-2012 10:09 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Alright.

Enough of this non-sense.

Serious question for everyone:

What if a guy pays for and bangs 100 hookers? Loser right?

But what if he then converts them all to having sex with on the regular for free? Winner right?

Ok. But what if he then converts all of them to hooking for him and paying him all the dough? Straight up Pimp right?

Thoughts?

That's actually how alot of pimps build up their stables. More than will openly admit actually started off as Johns...Pimp game is the ultimate level of game in my eyes.Pimps despite what most have heard aint all horrible people.I'm friends with a few real life pimps.Not your clown suit, perm and lotsa gold dudes neither.These cats are some of the most down to earth people you ever wanna meet and just by virtue of having similar hobbies and interest I've seen and gotten to soak up lotsa game.

Post: #132

(12-31-2012 10:09 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Alright.

Enough of this non-sense.

Serious question for everyone:

What if a guy pays for and bangs 100 hookers? Loser right?

But what if he then converts them all to having sex with on the regular for free? Winner right?

Ok. But what if he then converts all of them to hooking for him and paying him all the dough? Straight up Pimp right?

Thoughts?

Yes. The question is: who is playing who?

All of life is a game.

Are you a player or are you getting played?

Post: #133

(12-31-2012 11:32 AM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 10:09 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Alright.

Enough of this non-sense.

Serious question for everyone:

What if a guy pays for and bangs 100 hookers? Loser right?

But what if he then converts them all to having sex with on the regular for free? Winner right?

Ok. But what if he then converts all of them to hooking for him and paying him all the dough? Straight up Pimp right?

Thoughts?

That's actually how alot of pimps build up their stables. More than will openly admit actually started off as Johns...Pimp game is the ultimate level of game in my eyes.Pimps despite what most have heard aint all horrible people.I'm friends with a few real life pimps.Not your clown suit, perm and lotsa gold dudes neither.These cats are some of the most down to earth people you ever wanna meet and just by virtue of having similar hobbies and interest I've seen and gotten to soak up lotsa game.

Yep.

Life is not black and white.

--

Giovanny, this one is for you:

Post: #134

(12-31-2012 05:54 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 01:10 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  I'd be very curious to see the effects of legalizing prostitution would have on the mindset and mentality of women in the west. One of the reasons why the feminists are fighting tooth and nails against it is that they full know that legalized prostitution would take away their monopoly of pussy and all the flow of money, gifts and other incentives that they use to get from men in exchange of sex. And it would of course change the mindset and threshold for BS tolerance for a lot of guys on what they have to go through to get laid. Think of it in its simplest terms:
- cabbing it to the club 30-40 bucks each way
- 20-30$ cover charge
- overpriced drinks at 10-15 even 20$ a drink.
- 2-4 hours of putting up with all kind of BS and mind games not to mention attitude from some 3 or 4.
Total at the end of the night, you've easily spent 100-150 without any play or garantee for action.

Now put that versus paying a set fee of 30-50 or even 100 to have a hot sexy escort fuck your brains out for an hour or 2.

The point is that when faced with the above, a lot of guys, specially those with less game or those who value their time more than money and have no patience for all the hooplas they have to go through, then the 2nd option will sound very tempting. And that my friends is going to make a looooot of women out there extremely unhappy. As guys would realize they no longer need to put up with all their crap nor to shell so much for little or no return at all. So from that perspective, it would definitely make the dating world out there a lot better and make girls come back to reality and make them reconsider their grossly inflated sense of entitlement and horrible attitude.

Currently the dating scene in NA is nothing short of legalized prostitution as Mark Rudov nicely put it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cANgHUOjpm4

And ironically, legalizing prostitution in NA would actually end this other more pervasive form of legalized prostitution that is the current dating market in NA.

VP, prostitution is already legal in Canada, any guy can call up an escort from the Yellow Pages or the back of any newspaper and order up an escort and be banging within an hour, the Mounties aren't going to raid the room and he isn't going to have his name and picture in the paper, as is commonly done in the States. I don't know about Toronto but in cities like Montreal, Calgary, Vancouver and Edmonton, you can walk into any "massage parlour" and get laid, for a hefty price.

So whats stopping Canadian guys from giving up on dating and just banging hookers instead? DIGNITY.

A lot of guys refuse to do it because they couldn't live with themselves after doing so, as I mentioned previously, once you cross that bridge, its a bit of a slippery slope, depending on the guy doing it.

I know guys who get more ass than a toilet seat but once in awhile, usually after a night of partying with the boys, will call up a couple of whores, get some drugs and go crazy.

I also know guys who resort to hookers on a regular basis and that's the only time these guys get laid. Instead of looking to game and self improvement (often out of ignorance) they just give up and settle for an escort once or twice a month. This is huge in the oil sands, where a Saturday night special (8-ball and escort) will set a guy back about $500, the equivalent of a days work for most.

Myself, yes I've done it before, the first time at 17 in Hamburg, Germany (year 2000) when I was too young and stupid to consider any consequences this may have on my personal life, I just paid the price and busted a nut in a Russian hooker who, until this day was the most beautiful woman I've ever stuck my weiner in. Since then I've done it a few more times, including one night in Colombia that would surely make Charlie Sheen proud.

If I could do it all over again I would have never banged that hooker on Herbertstrasse because its something I feel shitty about and ashamed of
, even when I occasionally do it now, 13 years later. I just wish I'd known more about game and what I could have done to attract more women back when I was in my late teens, early twenties so I didn't get to know about how fun partying with hookers actually can be, lol.

Anyway, I'm in Thailand now and chances are I'll be getting a soapy massage at some point. I'd say that I'm pro-prostitution as long as its regulated and clean, I just want to give a perspective for the young guys on the forum that may be reading this.

There's a whole other side to the "game" lifestyle that most of us older guys know about or actively engage in: hookers, drugs, party girls, etc. For better or worse, I've been involved with this scene since my teens and its something that I can handle, I've had some awesome times but I've also seen some pretty fucked up shit. Like I say, its your choice whether or not you want to engage in this but there are risks, I've had a few friends fuck up their lives really bad by getting into this type of scene.

For the record, I've had the clap twice and both times were one night stands with girls I pulled out of bars in Edmonton, Canada and had unprotected drunken sex.

End rant.

What is dignity?

When you see a girl that you want to fuck, are you not going to fuck her because it will cost money? Are you going to let your dick down? And for $35.. that's not the worst deal.

Or, what if banging a whore turns you on for the kink factor that you can't get from normal p4p? If game is about enabling your dick, then wouldn't not doing this be squelching your game?

This is different from being in a position of need and feeling like you have no other options, because having no options is false these days unless you are completely un-aware that game exists.

Post: #135

(12-31-2012 12:45 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Giovanny, this one is for you:

That shit is a way of life in Oakland. Kind of scary actually.

Here's one for you on this New Years Eve 2012!!!

Enjoy this with your vino and smokes:

(Notice the "cookie monster blue" sweatshirt!!) (Ha!)

This guy looks like my dad!

Post: #136

Post: #137

(12-30-2012 08:11 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 07:00 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 06:52 PM)houston Wrote:  Neil, calling girls bitches, hoes, etc is part of the culture for young people. Youre reading into it to much. Dont take it literally.

Yeah maybe you're right but even then it's bad on a subconscious level. It still plants thought in your head that women are inferior.

Houston, I believe it or not I agree with Neil on this one.

When I was younger, I would refer to girls with negative words.

I stopped that at 25-26. It is good for your well being. I am not going to tell you how to act, but it is a good move to get rid of it out of your vocab. Positivity is the key.

If you notice, I never do it on these forums or in reality.

Now I save the "b word" for only guys.

Unfortunately, I end up using it all the time to refer to guys these days.

I reserve the word for women that actually are behaving like bitches. I don't direct it at women in general. However, I find that the word has evolved over time. There was a time that the word had a distinct definition - a disagreeable woman. Now, I think it's used more in reference to men than woman, much the way you use it.

Post: #138

The girl in the above video is a delight! She's got it down. A natural. She oozes girl game. Cheerful, flirty, girlish, with flashes of seriousness and hard core naughtiness. Like she is born and built for the job, and a job she seems to enjoy doing well. Congrats to her.

Post: #139

(12-31-2012 01:40 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

She lives with a boyfriend, and he might not even be her pimp. Damn. Would you guys ever have a girlfriend who fucks for a living?

Post: #140

I've used a massage "spa" once and it didn't really effect me. I was just pissed the next day that I spent that money but fuck it. I don't think it's a good idea to use escorts unless you've already been in the game for a while. I would probably keep going back to them if I got one when I first started. Why put in work when you can just pay and bust a nut?

Post: #141

(12-30-2012 08:55 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 09:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 11:23 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  A-wouldn't your boxers be all wet afterwards?. Instead of having a wet spot on the bed sheet, you are actually wearing it. I cant even imagine how it would feel to pull your jeans over that and walk around with a wet infestation hazard in your pants.

B- it would raise brows/questions with the pro and look ridiculous.

C- Raw dogging a random girl = no problem, hooker = condom +boxershorts and probably white socks and sneakers.

D- ever heard of washing and soaping up afterwards? If you're really paranoid about std's then use hand sanitizer afterwards. Kills everything.

Please don't tell you actually did this once.

I don't know what kind of cheap boxers you wear but I like the kind that fit me well and give proper support.

Water runs right off polyester and also does not hinder any performance.

You can't be serious with a response like this. Now that I've seen the picture of the underwear it's even more laughable. So where exactly goes your dick? Do you cut a hole or pull the fabric aside so you can use the side entrance in front? And in no way the hooker will laugh at you or worse think that you are actually covered in sores or something.

Oh, and the water runs right off! That really helps. Yeah, hookers usually get real wet for guys wearing their underwear while banging.

May I advise this wet suit to you, although the guy in the picture isn't very careful not wearing a facemask and gloves.



Oh, my "cheap" underwear is Calvin Klein or other brands.

I have friends who are scared to kiss girls for fear of getting herpes. Another says he only bangs a girls doggy style because their is less skin contact. He also mentioned wearing boxer shorts too! Honestly with irrrational fears of STDs like these no wonder these guys sex lives suck so bad! I think guys like this should just get some hand sanitizer and stay home and jerk off!

Post: #142

(12-31-2012 09:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 01:40 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

She lives with a boyfriend, and he might not even be her pimp. Damn. Would you guys ever have a girlfriend who fucks for a living?

Did you notice how she said she doesn't ever want to do any "work". She makes $650-$1000 a day, 5 days a week. And having a million dollars in the bank isn't enough for her. Unbelievable.

Post: #143

(12-31-2012 09:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 01:40 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

She lives with a boyfriend, and he might not even be her pimp. Damn. Would you guys ever have a girlfriend who fucks for a living?

There are probably a lot more guys than we think who have girlfriends who do this without them knowing.

Post: #144

(12-31-2012 11:32 AM)TheMachinist Wrote:  I'm friends with a few real life pimps.

These cats are some of the most down to earth people

I've seen and gotten to soak up lotsa game.

Would you breakdown some of the things you've learned from your pimp friends...?

Maybe, give some insight into this question from Samseau:

(12-31-2012 09:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Would you guys ever have a girlfriend who fucks for a living?

No. I've dated strippers and I wasn't totally comfortable with it.

But, pimps are a different breed. I don't think they care about having sex. There only concern is the money. A pimp is often just like a ho, they have "normalized" behaviors that most us consider to be very "dysfunctional".

Maybe, TheMachinist can explain further..?

(01-01-2013 12:13 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  Did you notice how she said she doesn't ever want to do any "work". She makes $650-$1000 a day, 5 days a week. And having a million dollars in the bank isn't enough for her. Unbelievable.

Just curious, what part of this is "unbelievable"???

The fact that she doesn't want to work? The fact that she makes so much money? Or, the fact that she wants more then a million?

Post: #145

(12-31-2012 09:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 01:40 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

She lives with a boyfriend, and he might not even be her pimp. Damn. Would you guys ever have a girlfriend who fucks for a living?

Nope.
There's no need to.

I think that any kind of bonus that you'd get from dating her, you can get from dating women who don't fuck for a living (Bragging rights being the exception).

Conversely the, the negatives that you deal with while dating that kinda girl, may not necessarily be experienced with other women.

Post: #146

I've tried it before and it wasn't satisfying at all. For a price not too much higher than the one listed here. Even one night stand with a fattie that was genuinely attracted to me felt much better than this for emotional reasons. Even if they try you can simply feel it's all about the business. But it made me realize what I really want from women, I would recommend it for that reason, but think about safety first.
As a wild night full of debauchery with a bunch of good buds it could be a good experience as the focus is on male friendship and having good time, but otherwise it's just depressing.

Post: #147

(01-01-2013 03:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 11:32 AM)TheMachinist Wrote:  I'm friends with a few real life pimps.

These cats are some of the most down to earth people

I've seen and gotten to soak up lotsa game.

Would you breakdown some of the things you've learned from your pimp friends...?

Maybe, give some insight into this question from Samseau:

(12-31-2012 09:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Would you guys ever have a girlfriend who fucks for a living?

No. I've dated strippers and I wasn't totally comfortable with it.

But, pimps are a different breed. I don't think they care about having sex. There only concern is the money. A pimp is often just like a ho, they have "normalized" behaviors that most us consider to be very "dysfunctional".

Maybe, TheMachinist can explain further..?

(01-01-2013 12:13 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  Did you notice how she said she doesn't ever want to do any "work". She makes $650-$1000 a day, 5 days a week. And having a million dollars in the bank isn't enough for her. Unbelievable.

Just curious, what part of this is "unbelievable"???

The fact that she doesn't want to work? The fact that she makes so much money? Or, the fact that she wants more then a million?

The single biggest thing I've learned from my pimpin' friends is the power of WORDS and PRESENTATION. It's not what you say but how you say it.I mean talking a woman into selling HER sex and then giving the money to somebody else seems CRAZY...but its just what I said...TALKING.I liken most of these cats too VERY GOOD salesman...Except they sell dreams.These arent beat a womans ass kinda dudes or get her hooked on dope types either.Strangely enough most of em are complete gentleman unless the situation calls for otherwise...and these are real deal pay me X amount of $$$ to spend some quality time with any of my "lady friend" types.A couple of them work the higher end nightclubs in town with their stable.One guy runs a "modeling" service and another runs a VERY discreet escort service.None of em run street walkers and most of their girls are 7's or higher.I've also learned that hoefessionals come from ALL socio economic backgrounds.It's been eye opening getting to know some of the woman because it's reaffirmed a long held belief of mine which is this...Most attractive women are only one bad decision or hard luck story away from selling the pussy for profit...And once they start doing it and they get a taste of the "life" quitting isn't a viable option.The money is too easy.Most women don't know how to sell pussy for profit or if they do they don't know how to prosper doing it.Thats where a pimp with solid game comes in.Shits impressive to say the least.I've turned some cats on to girls just to watch em turn the broad out.Shits fucking amazing to watch and listen too but it's really just WORDS and CONVERSATION.

Post: #148

It would definitely calm down the "thirsty" dudes quite a bit.

Imagine being a bar, the ratios are not in your favor, the amount of attractive women is low, and there's usually a fattie in the group that isn't going to help...the one who always wants to stop and get food after the bar.

The competition for the small amount of attractive women skyrockets. Every other cat in the bar wants to buy her a drink.

Of course, this varies by city, but most bars in the US past college-age tend to have way more guys than girls.

Post: #149

TheMachinist,

Thanks for that great response!

(01-02-2013 04:15 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  Most attractive women are only one bad decision or hard luck story away from selling the pussy for profit

I agree. I was just talking to a girl about this. She was saying that most girls sell their pussy for money anyways. They want to marry a wealthy man who can take care of her. That's basically selling your body for money.

Sometimes, I think -- We are all just pimps and hoes.

Post: #150

I've paid for pussy in the past both directly and indirectly.I've enjoyed both and hated both.It comes down to my personal frame of mind at the time and the willingness of the provider to be what I need at that moment.I know women that for a few hundo will make you feel like the leader of all the free world...if only for an hour or two.I feel no shame or guilt about paying for pussy.To me it's no different than seeing any other type of health care professional.Keep it clean and safe for all parties involved and let it do what it do.