Post: #26

(12-29-2012 07:14 AM)Samseau Wrote:  For $35 I'd do both. The problem with prostitution (and this is a big negative in my book), besides the fact that she doesn't really care for you, is that you need to wear a condom and some boxers (to prevent any STD's from spreading to your general crotch area) while banging a hooker. Raw dog sex + genuine intimacy means game is still vastly superior, but on an off night where I would probably beat off anyways I can't see why a $35 is a big deal.

Hookers = None care for you

Civilian girls = All care for you

Hookers = All have STD's

Civilian girls = None have STD's

Yes. The world is this simple.

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Quote:is that you need to wear a condom and some boxers (to prevent any STD's

Never heard of that one before.

Post: #27

(12-29-2012 07:01 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 06:49 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 06:09 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  "Many of us" live in countries where prostitution is legal?

Like where?

Like Japan, the Netherlands, Australia, Thailand etc.

You can get a blowjob for $30 from a cute college student here. But I choose not to.

Didn't know that "many of us" lived in those four countries.

(12-29-2012 06:52 AM)TheMan Wrote:  enough.
why does that matter?

Thought so.

Cheap guys have no idea how much pussy they turn off with that shit.

Post: #28

(12-29-2012 11:23 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 07:14 AM)Samseau Wrote:  For $35 I'd do both. The problem with prostitution (and this is a big negative in my book), besides the fact that she doesn't really care for you, is that you need to wear a condom and some boxers (to prevent any STD's from spreading to your general crotch area) while banging a hooker. Raw dog sex + genuine intimacy means game is still vastly superior, but on an off night where I would probably beat off anyways I can't see why a $35 is a big deal.

Sorry,dude. I always like your posts but that's the most ridiculous thing I've read on the forum in a while. And that says quite a lot.

A-wouldn't your boxers be all wet afterwards. Instead of having a wet spot on the bed sheet, you are actually wearing it. I cant even imagine how it would feel to pull your jeans over that and walk around with a wet infestation hazard in your pants.

B- it would raise brows/questions with the pro and look ridiculous.

C- Raw dogging a random girl = no problem, hooker = condom +boxershorts and probably white socks and sneakers.

D- ever heard of washing and soaping up afterwards? If you're really paranoid about std's then use hand sanitizer afterwards. Kills everything.

Please don't tell you actually did this once.

I just about pissed my pants laughing so hard.

Post: #29

In the countries or districts where it s legal, the pros do get regular health checks. In licensed establishments of course.

It should be legalized in more countries. Here are some stats: <a href="http://www.onlineschools.org/visual-academy/stats-on-prostitution/"><img src="http://www.onlineschools.org/visual-academy/images/prostitution.jpg" alt="The Stats Behind Prostitution" width="500" border="0" /></a>

Prostitutes are not a major source of STD-spread. Only 3-5% of STDs are prostitution-related, compared to 30-35% which is teen-related. Despite the bunk propogated by zealous anti-prostitution advocates, prostitutes are not a major source of STD-spread, and (indeed) this suggests that they are not particularly vulnerable to STDs. This is probably because prostitutes are highly aware of safe-sex, as it is a necessity in their business, and always use condoms and other devices to make sex safer. If only the Christian Coalition nutcases would allow our teenagers to be educated just as well in contraceptives and safe sex. Source:http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/12/22/185323/82

As well, if it were legal, infrastructure and government social progrms will get that needed influx of tax dollars gained from taxing this industry.

Post: #30

If a bitch could only charge $35 max, it would drive the finest hoes out of the game. Only the kind of women that currently offer those bargain prices, the streetwalking skank types, would remain. No high-end call girl operation would bother trying to operate. It would be strictly street pimp/ho set-ups.

Post: #31

If it were legal in the US there'd be lines out the door. Strike out at the bar? Hit up a whore on the way home. Schlubs would still be schlubs though and game would still matter.

Civilian girls would probably have to step up their game a bit and fatties would really be confronted with reality.

Post: #32

It'd be the same situation that we have now. The hottest bitches would have the longest lines, and a secondary market would then form around place in line.

So she'd only fuck guys she fancied, or guys with most money (though she wouldn't see any of it)

Post: #33

(12-29-2012 12:15 PM)painter Wrote:  If it were legal in the US there'd be lines out the door. Strike out at the bar? Hit up a whore on the way home. Schlubs would still be schlubs though and game would still matter.

Civilian girls would probably have to step up their game a bit and fatties would really be confronted with reality.

Not neccessarily.
Its legal in my country but theres a huge stigma around prostitution and guys who use prostitutes. Young guys will rather go without sex then take the hit to their ego that they have to pay for sex. The customers are usually older guys who are out of the dating game anyway or younger guys of lower social standing. It doesnt really factor much into the sexual dynamics. You can get a bang here for $30-35 no problem.

Post: #34

Hookers are best enjoyed as a novelty with a bunch of friends. It's like you're hangin around with 2-3 friends and you're all like, "lets go to Columbia and fuck a bunch of hookers and do a bunch of blow." Then you do it, and it's fucking awesome.

If they're readily accessible for $35 bucks & hot too, I dunno, that would probably erode a lot of motivation to be a better person to get girls and be happy for myself, if not eliminate it completely.

Post: #35

You guys are too hung up on the price soup mentioned. I think the thread is meant to ask "what is the value of game to you" if prostitutes were legal and available would you rather just bang or do you prefer the work that goes into the bang. I assume if prostitution is legal then there will be regulations on STD testing and general cleanliness. That being said I would do it, but still wouldn't give up the game. I'd probably only use them when logistics were bad, I needed to release some stress and didn't have time to game other girls (ie. exam time for students) or if not getting laid was affecting my game (ie. making me too needy/thirsty). Sure I'm lazy, but game teaches you way more than how to fuck girls.

Post: #36

(12-29-2012 12:08 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  If a bitch could only charge $35 max, it would drive the finest hoes out of the game. Only the kind of women that currently offer those bargain prices, the streetwalking skank types, would remain. No high-end call girl operation would bother trying to operate. It would be strictly street pimp/ho set-ups.

Great point. Hypotheticals are no use when they're impossible.

I wouldn't go to prostitutes, but I do wonder if making them available makes picking up girls easier. Go out to any bar, and figure, what percent of these guys never or rarely get laid from bar approaches? 20%? 40%? If they stopped showing up to the bar, the ratio would improve markedly (though maybe guys with better game would show up in response?)

Post: #37

(12-29-2012 01:28 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  That being said I would do it, but still wouldn't give up the game.

Don't really think that's possible unless you have a will of freakin steel, which 99.9999% of everybody does not have. It'll be possible at first, but gradually you'll find yourself thinking, "jeez, for the price of a date I can just fuck a hottie instead. I'm not gonna put in all this hard-ass self-development work when sex is just a commodity that can be bought." It's like drug addiction. Starts off in moderation but quickly accelerates downward from there.

Post: #38

I never paid but Thailand has a going rate of 1000 baht for absolute bottom basement and 2000 to 3000 for a good looking girl. This was confirmed by dozens of punters I met and conversations and negotiations I overheard. If you barfine and buy drinks the average Thai prostitute sets you back about 2500 to 3500 baht, this being 75 to 115 usd... Not quite $35 but close enough

Post: #39

(12-29-2012 06:49 AM)RawGod Wrote:  You can get a blowjob for $30 from a cute college student here. But I choose not to.

I guess you´re talking about Japan? Never heard of that before, but considering all the Louis Vuitton handbags they are carrying around...

(12-29-2012 01:22 PM)w00t Wrote:  Not neccessarily.
Its legal in my country but theres a huge stigma around prostitution and guys who use prostitutes. Young guys will rather go without sex then take the hit to their ego that they have to pay for sex. The customers are usually older guys who are out of the dating game anyway or younger guys of lower social standing. It doesnt really factor much into the sexual dynamics. You can get a bang here for $30-35 no problem.

It´s the same here in Austria, except for the price.

Post: #40

(12-29-2012 01:28 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  You guys are too hung up on the price soup mentioned. I think the thread is meant to ask "what is the value of game to you" if prostitutes were legal and available would you rather just bang or do you prefer the work that goes into the bang. I assume if prostitution is legal then there will be regulations on STD testing and general cleanliness. That being said I would do it, but still wouldn't give up the game. I'd probably only use them when logistics were bad, I needed to release some stress and didn't have time to game other girls (ie. exam time for students) or if not getting laid was affecting my game (ie. making me too needy/thirsty). Sure I'm lazy, but game teaches you way more than how to fuck girls.

It's the price that creates the dilemma. Yeah, the point is to assess who would still rely on game as opposed to hookers, but by making the price low, you are put to the test. If the price were a few hundred per hour, or even $100 a pop, you'd have far more guys saying "game all the way." Making it cheap will bring out the guys that are truly dedicated to the game, and would resort to paying in only the most extreme circumstances, as opposed to getting that $35 fuck on the way home EVERY night he failed, because it's so easy and affordable.

Post: #41

Several years ago some of the EE babes brought in to work in the resorts and water parks near where I live were busted for giving out $10 BJ's. Just walking around downtown asking guys on the street if they wanted one.

I found out about it after the fact, but hell yes I would take advantage of that.

Post: #42

(12-29-2012 02:51 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  Several years ago some of the EE babes brought in to work in the resorts and water parks near where I live were busted for giving out $10 BJ's. Just walking around downtown asking guys on the street if they wanted one.

I found out about it after the fact, but hell yes I would take advantage of that.

Yeah...the trafficked types will go volume. They'll give cheap blowjobs just to earn. As long as they're awake, they have to be making some money or their pimps will probably slap them around.

Post: #43

Dudes, why are we even talking about this? We pick up girls, that what we do. That's the whole point of this forum. It sounds like some posters are not so sure of that. Man the fuck up.

Some gamers you guys are.

Excuse me while I'll go to one of my two girls tonight while I don't spend a dime. Thank you.

Post: #44

(12-29-2012 03:48 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 02:51 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  Several years ago some of the EE babes brought in to work in the resorts and water parks near where I live were busted for giving out $10 BJ's. Just walking around downtown asking guys on the street if they wanted one.

I found out about it after the fact, but hell yes I would take advantage of that.

Yeah...the trafficked types will go volume. They'll give cheap blowjobs just to earn. As long as they're awake, they have to be making some money or their pimps will probably slap them around.

Heh. I guess I should have been more specific. These girls weren't "trafficked" by pimps. The local resorts used to bring in EE's to work as employees. This has dropped off a good bit as some laws were apparently changed making it more difficult to bring them in.

Of course, the fact they had to work off the expenses of bringing them over and housing left them with little left over so most have/had two jobs.

With some supplementing their income with cash services...

It's the American Way!

Post: #45

(12-29-2012 11:23 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  A-wouldn't your boxers be all wet afterwards?. Instead of having a wet spot on the bed sheet, you are actually wearing it. I cant even imagine how it would feel to pull your jeans over that and walk around with a wet infestation hazard in your pants.

B- it would raise brows/questions with the pro and look ridiculous.

C- Raw dogging a random girl = no problem, hooker = condom +boxershorts and probably white socks and sneakers.

D- ever heard of washing and soaping up afterwards? If you're really paranoid about std's then use hand sanitizer afterwards. Kills everything.

Please don't tell you actually did this once.

I don't know what kind of cheap boxers you wear but I like the kind that fit me well and give proper support.

Water runs right off polyester and also does not hinder any performance.

Quote:Hookers = None care for you

Civilian girls = All care for you

Hookers = All have STD's

Civilian girls = None have STD's

Yes. The world is this simple.

Deliberately uncharitable interpretations is what I've come to expect from you G.

Civilian girls = Some care for you
Whores = none care for you
civilian girls = normal STD risk
whores = elevated STD risk

Post: #46

(12-29-2012 11:54 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 07:01 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 06:52 AM)TheMan Wrote:  enough.
why does that matter?

Thought so.

Cheap guys have no idea how much pussy they turn off with that shit.

sticks and stones
Anyway, it still has yet not to work (and on pretty decent tallent i might add) so guess who wins...

I am sorry though that some of you guys seemed to have missed my point (especially g ) ... my fault.

Fortunately Skywalker hit the nail on the head. I will try to make sure I explain things better next time.

Post: #47

Being that my money situation is not good and that I have fucked a hooker before, I would not go back. I felt pathetic to have paid for pussy. Even if the girl is only average I love the feeling of earning a real notch

Post: #48

I get many thrills out of dealing with women, a minor component of which are friction related. Even if the girl is just a fuck buddy, she will usually bring me into a flow-moment where I'm captivated by paying attention to her, and I'm just present and enjoying. A heightened sense of being embodied and having fun and communicating.

I've paid for sex a few times at low rates with cute girls. Maybe they just sucked at their job, but they didn't really do it for me. A hooker who gave it away for free a few times was a lot fun - I had sore stomach muscles for days from the belly slappin marathons.

But my answer is no. I earn enough money and live in places where I could easily afford a new hot girl every night, but I don't. It's not about disease to me. It's not about money. It's not about being a better man. It's not about the thrill of the chase - I couldn't give a half of a damn about the chase.

I just want to have a MUTUAL appreciation going on. Two people really into each other. For me, that's the foundation of the fun. There is no fucking way in hell I'm going to compromise on that.

If paying for sex didn't lessen the chances of the girl being attracted to me and turned on by me, then in theory I'd be striving for a retirement filled with private hookers. But I honestly don't think it can work that way. Paying her directly for a service fucks up the whole dynamic, and greatly lessens the chances of mutual appreciation, let alone emotional bonding. And I like bonding - I really get off on it. It's a deep and fulfilling and even a thrilling pleasure to me, that greatly adds to quality of life. Even if I have two or three or more girls I'm dating, I still bond with them.

But even for one night stands, no, I don't fuck hookers, even when they are cheap and accessible. To do so would fuck up my sex karma. Sexual habits are real, and mine are carefully cultivated and an important tool of seduction. I have emotional sex, and that is seductive. It's part of my mojo to be able to embody a sex that appreciates mutual appreciation - that is really into passion. It's easy to deaden that, and to learn to feel alienated and separate and incapable of letting go into an ecstatic union with the girl and to become forever cold inside no matter how much friction you frantically create trying to rub up a little warmth.

When I'm walking about town with my girl, any of my girls over the years, and I compare us as a couple with any other couple, the difference is always striking. Passionate couples are as rare as topless teenagers on a public beach. Most people are walking zombies. People who are really into each other, and exude it, are winning at the game of life.

It's possible to create your self through your actions, and it's possible to create your self to be incapable of winning at life.

Post: #49

I'd never give up game, and I live in a place where prostitution is practically legal and for 25$ you get the whole shabang for a full hour, with a cute EE girl. If you're on a dry streak, or you just don't feel like going out..calling an escort is a good option, and I did it a couple of times..didn't regret. There are pros and cons for everything, and regarding hookers, the cons are pretty obvious: the pay, the higher risk for STD's..but to drain your balls in a hot girl with 0 commitment..priceless.

Post: #50

(12-29-2012 09:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Civilian girls = Some care for you
Whores = none care for you
civilian girls = normal STD risk
whores = elevated STD risk

In countries where prostitution is legal, like new zealand for example, the sex workers have to get tested monthly

they actually have lower std rates than the general population