Post: #351

How RVF members might respond to a question about Ukraine:

Roosh: "I have no idea."
The Duke: "Be a little more classy, clean cut."
Greek Kamaki: "Did you offer her a present?"
oldnemesis: "Build trust and use Russian humor."
Citizen_Boris: "Couchsufing."
Vicious: "This place sounds awful. But I'll be reading future updates anyway."
Spartan: "I just had a really bad date."
Entropy4: "Haha told you it was hard!"
Deb: "I just met 10 girls today using Google Translate while taking a dump... this is so easy."

Post: #352

(04-15-2012 08:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Vicious: "This place sounds awful. But I'll be reading future updates anyway."

My feelings exactly.

Post: #353

(04-15-2012 08:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  How RVF members might respond to a question about Ukraine:

Roosh: "I have no idea."
The Duke: "Be a little more classy, clean cut."
Greek Kamaki: "Did you offer her a present?"
oldnemesis: "Build trust and use Russian humor."
Citizen_Boris: "Couchsufing."
Vicious: "This place sounds awful. But I'll be reading future updates anyway."
Spartan: "I just had a really bad date."
Entropy4: "Haha told you it was hard!"
Deb: "I just met 10 girls today using Google Translate while taking a dump... this is so easy."

Haha, I guess I'm a bit too negative.

I've read that making a list of 3 positive things that happened each day helps to increase optimistic thinking. I still need to work on it )


Things aren't really all that bad. I have a date in 30 minutes, and on Wednesday.

Its interesting how we all talk about the same place..but you'd think we were talking about different countries based on how differently we describe it.

Post: #354

(04-15-2012 08:15 PM)The Duke Wrote:  Getting an SNL was tough in Ukraine for me. In 2.5 months, I came close twice but was ultimately cock-blocked. Getting laid was not an issue, as long I as was patient. I'm not sure if Ukraine is good for everyone. I didn't go out too much in Poland, but for me, I get the feeling Ukraine is similar to Poland in terms of easiness if winning over a girl (not SNL but getting a girlfriend). However I know for a couple of my friends, Poland is much easier.

(04-15-2012 04:16 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Me neither. I have never given a girl anything more than a 5 euro cocktail. They will not get anything more either.

Clearly you dont need to give them anything, Deb. But since a lot of other guys use money as a tool, why don't you give a try sometime? You know, being daddy. Hehe. I don't know much about being daddy, but maybe in some situations it might be good?

I did this with the young girl I have been seeing for a few months here. She refused my online contact at first I then sent her a message saying i'm rich, I can sponsor you etc.

She turned out to be a sweet girl who has never asked me for anything.

I think If I bought something for a girl here and she shunned my gesture I would feel like a complete fool, and angry at myself.

Would rather spend the money on a hoe.

Post: #355

(04-15-2012 08:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  How RVF members might respond to a question about Ukraine:

Roosh: "I have no idea."
The Duke: "Be a little more classy, clean cut."
Greek Kamaki: "Did you offer her a present?"
oldnemesis: "Build trust and use Russian humor."
Citizen_Boris: "Couchsufing."
Vicious: "This place sounds awful. But I'll be reading future updates anyway."
Spartan: "I just had a really bad date."
Entropy4: "Haha told you it was hard!"
Deb: "I just met 10 girls today using Google Translate while taking a dump... this is so easy."

What I meant is that you need bigger bait.You obviously do not offer them enough.

Post: #356

I haven't been reading this thread for a while but i see there is being a consensus build on paying for the girls or giving them an expensive present in exchange for a fuck. I see prices of 50 to 100 euro which is a lot of money in whatever country you go but especially in countries where people make shit wages.

If hardcore playa's start paying girls for a lay than there's something very wrong.

Post: #357

You forget that these girls have also game and it is not always played on men's terms.

Post: #358

(04-16-2012 02:39 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  I haven't been reading this thread for a while but i see there is being a consensus build on paying for the girls or giving them an expensive present in exchange for a fuck. I see prices of 50 to 100 euro which is a lot of money in whatever country you go but especially in countries where people make shit wages.

If hardcore playa's start paying girls for a lay than there's something very wrong.

My comment was somewhat ambiguous. When I said I would rather spend the money on a hoe, I meant in similar context to "I would rather eat my own shit"

I'm not into P4P, I had had a few pros in Asia, at times when I was in a new place bored and lonely.

That said, I have no objection to paying for sex. Most of the time I can't see the value of paying for a standard of girl that I can get for free. And i'm not rich enough to throw 500 euros at a high class pro.

I think it's mostly the older foreigners who end up buying girls gifts in Ukraine - if you are looking for girls way out of your league then naturally there will be a price tag

Post: #359

Neil: there are a million ways to get laid here

1. Social circle. Hardest way for traveling player.
2. Kamaki present. Takes some skill as you don't immediately offer the present. She has to dig you somewhat.
3. Prostitution. Self explanatory.
4. Game bang (a la Deb and myself). You're basically screening for horny girls. Don't really need to wine and dine.
5. Sponsorship. It's like number 2 except repeated to keep the girl on the line.

The reason this thread is all over the place because guys are getting different types of bangs.

Post: #360

You can combine all of them.One does not exclude the other.If sb has some girlfriends and fuckbodies it does not exclude sponsorship.I play all the possibilities.Also in eastern Ukraine,Donbass girls are much more money hungry than in western Ukraine(which is,a different region altogether) so a lot depends on the location as well(the proper combinations).

Post: #361

I must be reading something else because I don't see that at all. Unless you're a top of the line or a guy able to find worthless sub-par sluts, there is going to be some sort of expenses involved when getting with girls everywhere in the world.

You are seeing things in a black or white frame of mind and not the gray area that it is. Girls like rich guys. FACT. So bait them with that impression and if necessary imply that if they treat you good you'll treat them good... and then in fact do treat them good later on. Greek may be a little more direct and overt with his baiting methods. Big deal. I get where he's coming from and I'm sure most other guys do too.

These women who may get a gift down the line aren't prostitutes. Just normal women. The way you're seeing this is very narrow and not culturally relevant to certain parts of the world. Greek is cultivating these women for long term fun. It's not a 1 and done type of thing.

It would be quite interesting to see the type of results you'd get in Ukraine with your methods if your sole goal is to bang a lot of girls. Sounds like you way would fall flat there because you'd refuse to bend to their culture and go with the flow a bit.

(04-16-2012 02:39 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  I haven't been reading this thread for a while but i see there is being a consensus build on paying for the girls or giving them an expensive present in exchange for a fuck. I see prices of 50 to 100 euro which is a lot of money in whatever country you go but especially in countries where people make shit wages.

If hardcore playa's start paying girls for a lay than there's something very wrong.

Post: #362

You get it.In orthodox mentality of generosity a girl offers back much more than she has received to show her gratitude.They do not measure everything like Germans they are unlimited(generosity from both sides).

Post: #363

(04-16-2012 03:20 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  I must be reading something else because I don't see that at all. Unless you're a top of the line or a guy able to find worthless sub-par sluts, there is going to be some sort of expenses involved when getting with girls everywhere in the world.

You are seeing things in a black or white frame of mind and not the gray area that it is. Girls like rich guys. FACT. So bait them with that impression and if necessary imply that if they treat you good you'll treat them good... and then in fact do treat them good later on. Greek may be a little more direct and overt with his baiting methods. Big deal. I get where he's coming from and I'm sure most other guys do too.

These women who may get a gift down the line aren't prostitutes. Just normal women. The way you're seeing this is very narrow and not culturally relevant to certain parts of the world. Greek is cultivating these women for long term fun. It's not a 1 and done type of thing.

It would be quite interesting to see the type of results you'd get in Ukraine with your methods if your sole goal is to bang a lot of girls. Sounds like you way would fall flat there because you'd refuse to bend to their culture and go with the flow a bit.

(04-16-2012 02:39 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  I haven't been reading this thread for a while but i see there is being a consensus build on paying for the girls or giving them an expensive present in exchange for a fuck. I see prices of 50 to 100 euro which is a lot of money in whatever country you go but especially in countries where people make shit wages.

If hardcore playa's start paying girls for a lay than there's something very wrong.

There is also one other important thing to consider......age.

90% of the girls i'm banging are under 23, with an average of 19-20. Many girls do not get money motivated until about 21.

Post: #364

Kamaki and Deb will disagree with me but this place is not good for banging "a lot" of girls. The learning curve is steep and the ROI too low for just pump and dumps. When you bang a girl here you hold onto her, especially since the situation drastically improves after she lets your penis inside her. She becomes much warmer, more intimate, and more talkative.

To toss girls abroad after one bang here is a gross misuse of your resources, unlike say America where the first bang is fast and often as good as it gets.

Post: #365

Deb brings up a good point: another reason responses here are so varied is we all are working different age groups. Deb seems under 21. I'm working mostly 22-26.

Post: #366

(04-16-2012 03:57 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 03:20 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  I must be reading something else because I don't see that at all. Unless you're a top of the line or a guy able to find worthless sub-par sluts, there is going to be some sort of expenses involved when getting with girls everywhere in the world.

You are seeing things in a black or white frame of mind and not the gray area that it is. Girls like rich guys. FACT. So bait them with that impression and if necessary imply that if they treat you good you'll treat them good... and then in fact do treat them good later on. Greek may be a little more direct and overt with his baiting methods. Big deal. I get where he's coming from and I'm sure most other guys do too.

These women who may get a gift down the line aren't prostitutes. Just normal women. The way you're seeing this is very narrow and not culturally relevant to certain parts of the world. Greek is cultivating these women for long term fun. It's not a 1 and done type of thing.

It would be quite interesting to see the type of results you'd get in Ukraine with your methods if your sole goal is to bang a lot of girls. Sounds like you way would fall flat there because you'd refuse to bend to their culture and go with the flow a bit.

(04-16-2012 02:39 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  I haven't been reading this thread for a while but i see there is being a consensus build on paying for the girls or giving them an expensive present in exchange for a fuck. I see prices of 50 to 100 euro which is a lot of money in whatever country you go but especially in countries where people make shit wages.

If hardcore playa's start paying girls for a lay than there's something very wrong.

There is also one other important thing to consider......age.

90% of the girls i'm banging are under 23, with an average of 19-20. Many girls do not get money motivated until about 21.

This is because all girls who are fuckable get married at 23-24 maximum.So the age one has chances with is the 18-22 years old.(I talk about Lvov).

Post: #367

Finding girls over 25 is difficult in Lvov. The ones that are around and are single are quickly becoming pariahs in the eyes of their friends and family. Wealth is going to be on the agenda, although not sure about gifts.

They live for the day here, a guy with an iphone4, a bomber jacket and a tinted 4x4 is the definition of rich here.

Post: #368

(04-16-2012 03:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Kamaki and Deb will disagree with me but this place is not good for banging "a lot" of girls. The learning curve is steep and the ROI too low for just pump and dumps. When you bang a girl here you hold onto her, especially since the situation drastically improves after she lets your penis inside her. She becomes much warmer, more intimate, and more talkative.

To toss girls abroad after one bang here is a gross misuse of your resources, unlike say America where the first bang is fast and often as good as it gets.

Ukraine is top in banging lots of girls.They have several boyfriends simultaneously.I never failed in getting laid even if I were there for only two days.In Lvov I remember I met the first girl in just two hours after I had arrived in city.Ukraine is like no other place.
What confuses some guys is that there is no normal stream of conversation like in Poland.Girls do not talk so much in Ukraine and they do not facilitate you.It is syncopated conversation(Poland is like blues Ukraine like ragtime).

I also never keep Ukrainian girls more than a week.(in case they do not demand presents because if they want material goods I keep them 1-2 days).

Post: #369

(04-16-2012 04:19 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Finding girls over 25 is difficult in Lvov. The ones that are around and are single are quickly becoming pariahs in the eyes of their friends and family. Wealth is going to be on the agenda, although not sure about gifts.

They live for the day here, a guy with an iphone4, a bomber jacket and a tinted 4x4 is the definition of rich here.

Exactly.Because all normal girls with good appearance are already married at 24.So your spectrum restricts to the age of 18-22.It is not like Czech Republic or Poland where many many girls at 26 are still not married despite the fact they are beautiful and get banged easily.Girls in western Ukraine follow a more traditional model.
The only possibility to get a beautiful girl at 27 is that she had problems in character which did not allow marriage in first place or that she made a wrong choice in husband(usually alcoholic) and she got divorced.However this is mostly the case in eastern Ukraine(to get divorced because in the western Ukraine the divorce rate is low about 10-20%).

Another important factor restricting the age range in provinces(not in Kiev there most girls do not want to get married before they hit 23) is that married women do not cheat as they do in Poland.So married girls in western Ukraine are immediately out of the market.However it is not bad to restrict your choices to the age group of 18-23 since they are the most attractive ones.

Post: #370

Quote:Ukraine is top in banging lots of girls.They have several boyfriends simultaneously.I never failed in getting laid even if I were there for only two days.In Lvov I remember I met the first girl in just two hours after I had arrived in city.Ukraine is like no other place.

I simply can't duplicate this (without offering presents).

Post: #371

I would say for me it's top from the countries I have been to thus far, Lvov may not produce the amount of SNL that Kiev does for me, but I get a lot more attention from girls here, it's the closest to being a rockstar that I will achieve.

It's true that they have multiple boyfriends, it would be foolish to think they are innocent flowers. The girl i'm seeing gives me valuable insights, she says that many of her friends have two boyfriends.

But the girls from Kiev and the East drive me crazy, tall, dark, sultry, slutty, they look closer to Serbian girls. I've also noticed they drink a lot more and give less eye contact.

Post: #372

Without presents it is difficult.However I remember:
1.First time in Lvov in 2005(I admit it was much better back then) first bang in 3rd day(girl from bus station straight to hotel) after 4-5 make-outs with different girls.
2.First time in Kiev in 2003(also much much better) first bang in 4th day(one night stand in club)(after multiple make-outs)
3.Second time in Lvov in 2005 first bang in 3rd day(girl from internet first date)
4.Third time in Lvov in 2006 first bang in 1st day(girl I had first met in 2005 in street)
5.Fourth time in Lvov in 2007 first bang in 4th day(despite coming in August the worst possible period)(girl from train straight to hotel)
6.Fifth time in Lvov in 2008 first bang in 3rd day(after meeting girl in first two hours after arrival)
7.Third time in Kiev in 2009 first bang in second day.(internet girl)
All these bangs happened without any offer of presents after just one coffee date maximum or no dates at all-pick up to hotel).
From 2009 I started using presents so the results skyrocketed I was able to bang from day one or more precisely just one hour after I landed my foot on Ukrainian ground.(Kiev,Eastern Ukraine,Mariupol).

Post: #373

(04-16-2012 04:20 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 03:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Kamaki and Deb will disagree with me but this place is not good for banging "a lot" of girls. The learning curve is steep and the ROI too low for just pump and dumps. When you bang a girl here you hold onto her, especially since the situation drastically improves after she lets your penis inside her. She becomes much warmer, more intimate, and more talkative.

To toss girls abroad after one bang here is a gross misuse of your resources, unlike say America where the first bang is fast and often as good as it gets.

Ukraine is top in banging lots of girls.They have several boyfriends simultaneously.I never failed in getting laid even if I were there for only two days.In Lvov I remember I met the first girl in just two hours after I had arrived in city.Ukraine is like no other place.
What confuses some guys is that there is no normal stream of conversation like in Poland.Girls do not talk so much in Ukraine and they do not facilitate you.It is syncopated conversation(Poland is like blues Ukraine like ragtime).

I also never keep Ukrainian girls more than a week.(in case they do not demand presents because if they want material goods I keep them 1-2 days).

"Poland is like blues Ukraine like ragtime)."

Hahahah..he just keeps coming out with the good stuff!

Post: #374

Polish people are easy to spot in Lvov, they dress much more colourfully than the Ukes.

Was in a bar yesterday, a guy pulled out a guitar and started singing whilst his hipster girlfriend was doing a pogo dance

Poles have a lot more spunk.

Post: #375

(03-30-2012 11:49 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 11:09 AM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

(03-30-2012 07:09 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I am now tempted to come to Ukraine to help maybe it has to do with knowledge of Russian.

Go! Make it happen. Contact Roosh, find out where he is and set things up. You have some doubters of your Balkan power on here. Here's your chance to shut them up.

I am seriously tempted.I will go there at middle of April for a weekend.It will be great I am sure rooshv will adapt very quickly and we will apply insane speeds.It is important to have a wing who understands.

Kamaki it's the middle of April. Go up there and make it rain with Roosh! This is one field report I am interested in reading.