Post: #326

(04-11-2012 05:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Get a girl on a date, start escalating with the touching, and then she says, "I don't want a sexual relationship right now. If you just want to meet and talk that's fine."
Correct move is to say "That's fine" and keep escalating, no?

You can, but the probability it would get you anywhere is very low. The most likely result in this case would be you escalating it to a kiss or a little further, then she leaves and you'll never see her again.

Vast majority of the girls here aren't flirting the way American girls do until they know you are a reasonable guy who reacts well on jokes. The reason for that is that a local guy might consider this behavior disrespectful (some lack sense of humor completely) and beat the shit out of her. So when she says something like that, it is usually true. Like when an American chick tells you she has periods.

Post: #327

(04-12-2012 05:52 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-11-2012 05:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Get a girl on a date, start escalating with the touching, and then she says, "I don't want a sexual relationship right now. If you just want to meet and talk that's fine."
Correct move is to say "That's fine" and keep escalating, no?

You can, but the probability it would get you anywhere is very low. The most likely result in this case would be you escalating it to a kiss or a little further, then she leaves and you'll never see her again.

Vast majority of the girls here aren't flirting the way American girls do until they know you are a reasonable guy who reacts well on jokes. The reason for that is that a local guy might consider this behavior disrespectful (some lack sense of humor completely) and beat the shit out of her. So when she says something like that, it is usually true. Like when an American chick tells you she has periods.

Yes, I recently had a young girl back to my place after a coffee date, we were kissing full on etc, so naturally I pinged her bra. She didn't like this, and immediately told me she was a virgin, and she intended to stay that way until marriage.

She came to my place one more time, then after that she kept on making excuses for not seeing me, like she was studying all the time. Eventually she told me that she was scared to see me again because I came on too strong!.

This didn't make me change my tactics though.

Post: #328

Had a friend visiting from Serbia tonight, we ended up at a titty club here. The strip clubs in Lvov are the worst I have ever been to, the girls generally have small breasts plus they do not want to make money. Ukraine has an anti-business attitude, you can turn up at a strip club with a 1000 euro in your pocket and the girls can't be bothered to get off their asses and hustle.

Most of these girls were 7's at best anyway.

The nicest girl in the whole place turned out to be the cloakroom attendant. She pursued ME, she said "why are you leaving so soon" I said "we don't like the girls, they are lazy", I then took her number and we will meet tomorrow or the day after.

Post: #329

(04-12-2012 05:39 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Had a friend visiting from Serbia tonight, we ended up at a titty club here. The strip clubs in Lvov are the worst I have ever been to, the girls generally have small breasts plus they do not want to make money. Ukraine has an anti-business attitude, you can turn up at a strip club with a 1000 euro in your pocket and the girls can't be bothered to get off their asses and hustle.

Most of these girls were 7's at best anyway.

The nicest girl in the whole place turned out to be the cloakroom attendant. She pursued ME, she said "why are you leaving so soon" I said "we don't like the girls, they are lazy", I then took her number and we will meet tomorrow or the day after.

"Most of these girls were 7's at best anyway."

and you're surprised by that? If a girl was an 8 or 9 do you seriously think she'd be working in a strip club in Lvov??? She would either a) be doing some modeling on the side to supplement her student stipend or b) some rich Arab or Turk would have swooped her already and be showering her with gifts.

Post: #330

(04-12-2012 07:28 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-12-2012 05:39 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Had a friend visiting from Serbia tonight, we ended up at a titty club here. The strip clubs in Lvov are the worst I have ever been to, the girls generally have small breasts plus they do not want to make money. Ukraine has an anti-business attitude, you can turn up at a strip club with a 1000 euro in your pocket and the girls can't be bothered to get off their asses and hustle.

Most of these girls were 7's at best anyway.

The nicest girl in the whole place turned out to be the cloakroom attendant. She pursued ME, she said "why are you leaving so soon" I said "we don't like the girls, they are lazy", I then took her number and we will meet tomorrow or the day after.

"Most of these girls were 7's at best anyway."

and you're surprised by that? If a girl was an 8 or 9 do you seriously think she'd be working in a strip club in Lvov??? She would either a) be doing some modeling on the side to supplement her student stipend or b) some rich Arab or Turk would have swooped her already and be showering her with gifts.

Well there is that point, but many of these girls are students so they haven't quite fleed Lvov yet.

Turkish men are no as well received here, gifts or not.

None of these girls had any breast either, you would've thought they would be able to find at least one girl with a decent rack.

Post: #331

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(03-17-2012 09:49 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Also I think my backstory is causing problems.

Girl: "Why are you here?"

Option 1: "I'm an English teacher." I'm suited up in the club and I teach English for $6 an hour.. really?

Option 2: "I'm here to study Russian."
"Why do you want to study Russian?"
"For hobby."

WRONG ANSWER. Girls don't buy it at all that I want to study Russian just to study it. I can see it on their faces. Here they don't have that mentality of learning something to enrich themselves with no obvious gain. I will try out "For work." For the girls here, things need to fit a black and white spectrum. No complicated or ambiguous answers.

I just started reading this thread and came across this. Why don't you tell her part truth? Tell her you are a writer and you travel the world writing travel guides targeted for a younger crowd, sort of like lonely planet but not as wack. That makes a good story and I also see it making her curious. You'll just have to make some shit up for some of the questions she'll ask you, but I'm sure you have to do that either way. This one won't really limit you to intellectual girls.

Post: #332

(04-12-2012 05:39 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Had a friend visiting from Serbia tonight, we ended up at a titty club here. The strip clubs in Lvov are the worst I have ever been to, the girls generally have small breasts plus they do not want to make money.

My impression over the strip clubs all over the Eastern Europe is that they're basically storefronts for overpriced prostitution. Last time I was in one in Lviv a girl tried to tell me a story how some dude offered her 1,000 Euro for a night and she refused (I laughed in her face and told her I don't believe that at all). Don't waste your money.

Post: #333

(04-14-2012 12:42 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  I just started reading this thread and came across this. Why don't you tell her part truth? Tell her you are a writer and you travel the world writing travel guides targeted for a younger crowd, sort of like lonely planet but not as wack.

The majority of the girls there would think this is kinda weird. Not to mention you'd probably need also to explain what is lonely planet, what is travel guide and why the heck anyone would need a travel guide.

I could imagine the type of girl this would work on in Ukraine, but you won't see them often there, even in Kiev. And very, very few of them would be among the 18-25 student crowd.

Quote:That makes a good story and I also see it making her curious.

It brings the different kind of curiosity - like "so why don't you get a real job?"

Post: #334

(04-14-2012 01:37 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 12:42 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  I just started reading this thread and came across this. Why don't you tell her part truth? Tell her you are a writer and you travel the world writing travel guides targeted for a younger crowd, sort of like lonely planet but not as wack.

The majority of the girls there would think this is kinda weird. Not to mention you'd probably need also to explain what is lonely planet, what is travel guide and why the heck anyone would need a travel guide.

I could imagine the type of girl this would work on in Ukraine, but you won't see them often there, even in Kiev. And very, very few of them would be among the 18-25 student crowd.

Quote:That makes a good story and I also see it making her curious.

It brings the different kind of curiosity - like "so why don't you get a real job?"

Got ya. Sounds like they're kinda sheltered. Are a lot of people there real poor? I mean I understand the whole, "So why don't you get a real job?" thing, but you aren't exactly gonna be making bank as an english teacher as well I'd assume.

Post: #335

(04-14-2012 01:31 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-12-2012 05:39 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Had a friend visiting from Serbia tonight, we ended up at a titty club here. The strip clubs in Lvov are the worst I have ever been to, the girls generally have small breasts plus they do not want to make money.

My impression over the strip clubs all over the Eastern Europe is that they're basically storefronts for overpriced prostitution. Last time I was in one in Lviv a girl tried to tell me a story how some dude offered her 1,000 Euro for a night and she refused (I laughed in her face and told her I don't believe that at all). Don't waste your money.

Not sure, another friend was visiting from the states with a lot of cash to burn. He went to the same club and offered a girl a lot of money for sex, she said no but she did take cash to do something else

Post: #336

Lol, been an interesting read so far. As I have said quite often, western concepts of game tend to fall flat in the FSU and you need to forget what you think you know sometimes. Its why so many guys struggle, then blame the women or the culture. You need to go caveman on those women, dont fuck around, although I think you got that figured out now hahahaha. I think Old Nemesis and Kamaki have covered most of it really, so just a few thoughts from what I see as an Aussie and my experiences

1) At the risk of sounding like a dick, Ukrainians can be peasants. They are not stupid, but they are simple at times. Dont mistake their distaste for small talk as stupidity though, its a cultural thing too. They are easy to deal with because silence is not a killer and they are less work because of it too. And many are highly educated, they are just less prone to showing off. Also know that they tend to travel far less than Russians, so they can be a bit ignorant at times too, although its changing. No different to half of Australia or the USA in that regard.

2) There are two distinct cultures there. Russian and Ukrainian. Yes there are variations depending on location within Ukraine, but the difference is not that great that it makes it worthwhile understanding the differences that intimately. Ukrainian women are a little more conservative I have found and a little less mercenary than Russians. So adjust accordingly. Play potential lover/boyfriend with Ukrainians, play the potential whale with the Russians. In my experience, Russians fuck to land the whale. Ukrainians want the whale to spend before they bang. Russians want to ensnare men, Ukrainians like to be chased a bit but are not as quick to try and dominate.

3) All the guys fucking women in droves on the same day are either paying for it, lying, banging pigs or they are going back in time to the 90's. Unless you are playing sponsor, you will have to work harder for your lays than you would in the west. Just the way it is

Post: #337

(04-15-2012 04:17 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  Lol, been an interesting read so far. As I have said quite often, western concepts of game tend to fall flat in the FSU and you need to forget what you think you know sometimes. Its why so many guys struggle, then blame the women or the culture. You need to go caveman on those women, dont fuck around, although I think you got that figured out now hahahaha. I think Old Nemesis and Kamaki have covered most of it really, so just a few thoughts from what I see as an Aussie and my experiences

1) At the risk of sounding like a dick, Ukrainians can be peasants. They are not stupid, but they are simple at times. Dont mistake their distaste for small talk as stupidity though, its a cultural thing too. They are easy to deal with because silence is not a killer and they are less work because of it too. And many are highly educated, they are just less prone to showing off. Also know that they tend to travel far less than Russians, so they can be a bit ignorant at times too, although its changing. No different to half of Australia or the USA in that regard.

2) There are two distinct cultures there. Russian and Ukrainian. Yes there are variations depending on location within Ukraine, but the difference is not that great that it makes it worthwhile understanding the differences that intimately. Ukrainian women are a little more conservative I have found and a little less mercenary than Russians. So adjust accordingly. Play potential lover/boyfriend with Ukrainians, play the potential whale with the Russians. In my experience, Russians fuck to land the whale. Ukrainians want the whale to spend before they bang. Russians want to ensnare men, Ukrainians like to be chased a bit but are not as quick to try and dominate.

3) All the guys fucking women in droves on the same day are either paying for it, lying, banging pigs or they are going back in time to the 90's. Unless you are playing sponsor, you will have to work harder for your lays than you would in the west. Just the way it is

Agree with some of what you say, Ukrainians are mostly peasents, it's not their fault, one needs just to look back into history and the slaughter of almost all of the intelligentsia. I do not talk to Ukrainian men here, I have nothing in common with them.

The men are not highly educated, one only needs to walk around a Ukrainian university to see that the students are 80% female. Also Ukrainians often pay to get the desired results in their examinations. Most of them men choose to work and provide for their families.

I am fucking them in droves here, I am not paying for it, and I only fuck 7 and above. I would describe myself as a 9, so my 7's are pretty reasonable.

I can literally bed as many cute women as I choose to here, and i'm doing a lot better than when I was in the west(apart from SNL, England cannot be beaten for that)

Perhaps I am a fantasist though, but let me ask you this, I have been here for almost one year, what's keeping me here?

Post: #338

The lines between sponsor and boyfriend are quite blurred in slavic world.Let's see some common situations:
1.You start having sex with a girl and after a month she asks for some financial help
2.A girl asks for money for real reason(need for medical tests,need to pay rent) which you can testify
3.A girl asks for paid vaccation in exchange for guaranteed sex.
Generally the mentality in these countries can be summarized in the sentence(which I first heard from a Greek woman):If you do not want to marry me you have to pay me.That's all.Either you marry them or you have to support them financially.This is true for at least 60% of girls.Even if they start the relationship without any financial claims it is likely they will ask for sth later.It is considered normal in these countries girls search for a guy they can rely on in difficult times.A guy who cannot support them is useless.This is one of the reasons they go for older guys who are more financially stable and sane.
However some varieties of slavic girls like polish want also(apart from support) quality sex with really competent men.In this way one can play the fucker angle in some parts of slavic world without meaning he has to pay as well(in case another guy undertakes the sponsor role).Also some girls strive for emotional support in this way one guy can have an LTR by offering emotional support to a girl who gets regularly banged by a fucker while simultaneously has a sponsor for her basic expenses.It is likely when this girl lands a job her employer will get a taste of her pussy as well.The girl has to balance between all these men and make them satisfied.They are really competent in that.
I tried to present some of the complex realiies of slavic world.

Post: #339

I think that some Ukrainian girls are just looking for a decent, sophisticated, fun, intelligent foreigner.

For instance the young girl I have here now has never asked me for anything, she comes here we have sex, I cook her some food. That's it.

Mind you she's 17, most do no get seriously money motivated until about 21.

Yes if you open a bar here, you will fuck your young barmaids, that's a given

Post: #340

Deb: I don't think your experience should invalidate the general trend Ukraine isn't easy.

Though I do agree that it's easy to meet girls. In Industrial Shithole I can get a lot of numbers in a short amount of time, and I'm not using the internet. The problem I noticed is a sharp drop off from getting a number to sex, due to many reasons. In Poland, 3 numbers would lead to maybe one bang. I feel like here I need much more, and with that comes the cost of dating girls who aren't serious about fucking but just wants to go out with a foreigner to a nice bar (something she simply can't afford). There's a lot of "waste" in Ukraine with these girls and I'm finding that going caveman in addition to screening will end up being the correct game.

Post: #341

(04-15-2012 07:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Deb: I don't think your experience should invalidate the general trend Ukraine isn't easy.

Though I do agree that it's easy to meet girls. In Industrial Shithole I can get a lot of numbers in a short amount of time, and I'm not using the internet. The problem I noticed is a sharp drop off from getting a number to sex, due to many reasons. In Poland, 3 numbers would lead to maybe one bang. I feel like here I need much more, and with that comes the cost of dating girls who aren't serious about fucking but just wants to go out with a foreigner to a nice bar (something she simply can't afford). There's a lot of "waste" in Ukraine with these girls and I'm finding that going caveman in addition to screening will end up being the correct game.

You have to move to Lvov.The situation you describe applied to Kiev as well in 2008 just before the crisis hit.It was at a time where credit bubble had created artificial skyrocketing of expecttions and scammers had been multiplied.There is always a sense of bubble in Ukraine that you overpay.Lvov is more close to European and polish standards girls are a lot less materialistic there.
Eastern Ukraine is better for guys who intend to spend cash on girls.You will notice the difference ASAP if you move to Lvov.

Post: #342

(04-15-2012 07:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Deb: I don't think your experience should invalidate the general trend Ukraine isn't easy.

Though I do agree that it's easy to meet girls. In Industrial Shithole I can get a lot of numbers in a short amount of time, and I'm not using the internet. The problem I noticed is a sharp drop off from getting a number to sex, due to many reasons. In Poland, 3 numbers would lead to maybe one bang. I feel like here I need much more, and with that comes the cost of dating girls who aren't serious about fucking but just wants to go out with a foreigner to a nice bar (something she simply can't afford). There's a lot of "waste" in Ukraine with these girls and I'm finding that going caveman in addition to screening will end up being the correct game.

I do agree, I try to give my personal experiences rather than declare a place a pussy paradise for all to enjoy.

Also some people will think I'm a fantasist, this I can deal with

I'm quite excited at the moment, this ghastly spring festival orthodox Easter will soon be over. With lent and Easter being over, the women will be packing the bars and clubs once again .

Had a very good result in a bar last night. These gorgeous women were getting drunk, one told me she had to be at church at 7am.

Got her number, but I'm thinking the flake chances are high due to intoxication. She was an 8.5 at least and a nice girl

Post: #343

Roosh, Greek, Deb... are you guys planning a meetup or what?

Post: #344

I'm on my favourite pick up bar now. Today is incredible, they celebrating are celebrating Easter big time. Short skirts and long legs everywhere, I cannot cont
rol myself.

I'm keen to have a meetup, would like to head east soon

Post: #345

Interesting studying the Turkish men next to me. Young, Gelled hair, they are totally silent and looking around like meerkats.

Post: #346

(04-15-2012 05:35 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  The lines between sponsor and boyfriend are quite blurred in slavic world.Let's see some common situations:
1.You start having sex with a girl and after a month she asks for some financial help
2.A girl asks for money for real reason(need for medical tests,need to pay rent) which you can testify
3.A girl asks for paid vaccation in exchange for guaranteed sex.
Generally the mentality in these countries can be summarized in the sentence(which I first heard from a Greek woman):If you do not want to marry me you have to pay me.That's all.Either you marry them or you have to support them financially.This is true for at least 60% of girls.Even if they start the relationship without any financial claims it is likely they will ask for sth later.It is considered normal in these countries girls search for a guy they can rely on in difficult times.A guy who cannot support them is useless.This is one of the reasons they go for older guys who are more financially stable and sane.
However some varieties of slavic girls like polish want also(apart from support) quality sex with really competent men.In this way one can play the fucker angle in some parts of slavic world without meaning he has to pay as well(in case another guy undertakes the sponsor role).Also some girls strive for emotional support in this way one guy can have an LTR by offering emotional support to a girl who gets regularly banged by a fucker while simultaneously has a sponsor for her basic expenses.It is likely when this girl lands a job her employer will get a taste of her pussy as well.The girl has to balance between all these men and make them satisfied.They are really competent in that.
I tried to present some of the complex realiies of slavic world.

You've just presented the complex reality of being yourself. I've never had to pay for anything bigger than a round of drinks.

Post: #347

Me neither. I have never given a girl anything more than a 5 euro cocktail. They will not get anything more either.

Post: #348

(04-15-2012 04:16 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Me neither. I have never given a girl anything more than a 5 euro cocktail. They will not get anything more either.

Deb, I think your statement "I would describe myself as a 9" is partially a reason why you're getting so many women however I believe your "marketing" of Ukraine as if it were pussy heaven is questionable. Just because you get laid all the time how can we be sure that an AFC (average frustrated chump) would do well over there especially when a typical overseas visitor from this forum cannot spend 1 year in a country and nail down all the hotspots, learn the local language fluently, and understand the customs. I am dying to hear from a member of this forum who went to Ukraine just as a tourist for a week or two and managed to succeed and if so how they did it?

Post: #349

(04-15-2012 06:59 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-15-2012 04:16 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Me neither. I have never given a girl anything more than a 5 euro cocktail. They will not get anything more either.

Deb, I think your statement "I would describe myself as a 9" is partially a reason why you're getting so many women however I believe your "marketing" of Ukraine as if it were pussy heaven is questionable. Just because you get laid all the time how can we be sure that an AFC (average frustrated chump) would do well over there especially when a typical overseas visitor from this forum cannot spend 1 year in a country and nail down all the hotspots, learn the local language fluently, and understand the customs. I am dying to hear from a member of this forum who went to Ukraine just as a tourist for a week or two and managed to succeed and if so how they did it?

I have almost entirely only recalled my personal experiences. I realise this is a pickup forum and there are a large proportion of betas. But you have to use your own intelligence to weigh up the situation, factoring in different reports from different members.

There are many members on here who have visited as a tourist for a week or two or less, I believe that would be Kamaki amongst others.

When I think of all my friends in Lvov, they all have girlfriends apart from me. And they have done much better in my estimation and their own, than they would do in their countries.

However, getting SNL may be harder than other countries. Where I am in Lvov it certainly is, the only other place I have been is Kiev where I have had great SNL results, that said some of my freinds who are decent looking, tight game, have come away fruitless.

I think on average there are better places for SNL, from what I hear about Poland, this could be a much better choice for many.

Post: #350

Getting an SNL was tough in Ukraine for me. In 2.5 months, I came close twice but was ultimately cock-blocked. Getting laid was not an issue, as long I as was patient. I'm not sure if Ukraine is good for everyone. I didn't go out too much in Poland, but for me, I get the feeling Ukraine is similar to Poland in terms of easiness if winning over a girl (not SNL but getting a girlfriend). However I know for a couple of my friends, Poland is much easier.

(04-15-2012 04:16 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Me neither. I have never given a girl anything more than a 5 euro cocktail. They will not get anything more either.

Clearly you dont need to give them anything, Deb. But since a lot of other guys use money as a tool, why don't you give a try sometime? You know, being daddy. Hehe. I don't know much about being daddy, but maybe in some situations it might be good?