Post: #226

(03-31-2012 03:14 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Stryski park and Ivano Frankov park are both beautiful with perfect pavement ideal for running and have been for some time.

I'll ask my sis to check, as this definitely wasn't the case last spring I was there. Did they finally put the lights there? Do they work?

And have you tried running there yourself or you're just guessing?

Post: #227

(03-31-2012 02:57 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Due to the level of success I've had in this country, and the total lack of comeback for my libertine-esque behaviour, I simply do not care who I offend, the worse my behaviour the more value I seem to gain in the eyes of the women here.

You have been lucky. It is up to you if you want to push your luck further, but I wouldn't advise it.

Quote:3. Most guys don't start shit with me here, most Ukrainian men are not very strong and do not know how to fight. I'm 6'6', and although i'm only 205 lbs, it's enough to make most of them think twice.

You seem to expect a fair fight one-against-one. This is just ridiculous. What you're more likely to get is a knife in your back, or a wrench on your head, or a pepper spray into your face outside the club followed up by a bunch of people beating you up. Or a couple of police officers beating you with "democracy sticks" how we call it.

Quote:I have been in a couple of situations here, only last week there was this fat disgusting guy at a nightclub here, he was in my face for something, he could have probably crushed me if he got his Gopnik claws on me, but these guys usually do not escalate.

He may do it next week, or next month. As I said the people there have good memories, and if you pissed off someone, be sure he'll not forget it for a while. Watch your back. That's how people got murdered there "for no apparent purpose".

Post: #228

(03-31-2012 03:31 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:14 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Stryski park and Ivano Frankov park are both beautiful with perfect pavement ideal for running and have been for some time.

I'll ask my sis to check, as this definitely wasn't the case last spring I was there. Did they finally put the lights there? Do they work?

And have you tried running there yourself or you're just guessing?

Just exactly how bad do you think they are that they are un-runnable?. craters?

Yes I used to run there regularly when I was doing cardio. But don't believe me, ask your Sis, btw is she cute?

Post: #229

(03-31-2012 03:09 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  Roosh, those seem to be true golddiggers - they're just in their infancy. We even have a word for it - "dynamo". I'd expect the majority of attractive girls in the clubs to be like that. It takes some experience to be able to recognize those, and then you'll end up with a choice - either you go quo-pro-quo with them (which will cost you more than P4P), or you dump them.

True golddiggers operate in the most expensive clubs. They're looking for a specific type - older guys wearing expensive clothes/jewelry or otherwise flashing money, so you're not going to attract them.

Quote:-Spent a few hours with a girl in the club, kept the drinks coming, but no kiss at the end. Give me a break. Total waste of the night.

Here's the deal with the golddigger/sponsor looking type: this ain't fixed market, and the "price" is subject to negotiation and is trial-tested. She knows some men would give her free drinks just to keep her company, and some men would give her nothing until she opens up her legs. If you give her free drinks without getting anything back, this assumes you agree with this "low price", and you're not getting anything like that. With those you must do the bait strategy - i.e. showing the goods but not giving them until you get what you want.

Quote:-Nice date, she asked me for taxicab fare, which threw me off, but the kiss I get was so weak. Should have let her walk home.

Asking for taxicab fare is norm if you invited her to your home and it is late. Otherwise I wouldn't give her any.

Here's what seem to happen here: you're keeping putting value (effort, money) into them without receiving anything back, creating a kind of "value credit". In the West the girl would start either giving you some value back (because she doesn't want to "owe value" - like offering to pay for the next round), or she would stop getting the value from you (like refusing your drinks). In the East it doesn't happen - it will put her into the "hold off" mode to see how much more value you are going to give her.

There are three ways to break this circle.

First is to make a pause and settle on terms before you continue; this is hard unless you speak the same language and it goes well.

Second is to move on - i.e. you want more drinks, you go to my place; you want to go with me to that movie, you'll stay at my place and we go there in the morning. It is different from the first because you're not giving her the value until you get something back, while in first you continue based on trust.

And third is to devalue what you're giving to her - for example if you got the table in a club and have five bottles of Grey Goose there, a drink she'd get would have very little value, while the fact she's sitting on such table creates the value.

Quote:I'm learning that most girls have a fuckbuddy, so it's why they're able to move slow and not display any sign of horniness.

And so do most guys. As I said long time ago, pretty much everyone gets laid through their social circle. This is why there is no need for hookups. Add to this the risk averse nature and complete lack of "cock collectors" and this is what it ends up with.

Quote:It seems like their entire game is "don't show any interest." I can spend an hour with a girl here and have no idea where I stand.

You cannot rely on the feedback to see where you stand. What you need to do is to constantly escalate without looking for any IOI or encouragement. As long as you're escalating and she's not stopping you you're doing fine - and since you're escalating you always know where you are.

And don't hurry for kiss, work around it. I fucked several girls who never kissed me even after we fucked. They had a boyfriend in the army or in jail, and they believed that french kissing is real cheating, while fucking is just satisfying your basic body needs. After that I actually started pushing such beliefs on the girls who I'd expect to give me resistance, and got mixed but mostly positive results.

These are true observations.However one may add:
1.The deal agreed in sponsoring(aka buying presents) is open to negotiations but these happen in a foresseable way.Usually Ukrainian women try to extract as much as possible from the deal by offering as less as possible.In this way you get into a Soviet wall.Generally Ukrainian girls believe that any sign of flexibility is weakness and the best is to be stubborn all the time.Of course I know they are stubborn so I shoot with the bazooka to the barrell.
2.Kiss is relative.However most girls do not have objections to kissing.
3.It is true I do not wait for consent or IOIs to escalate.In some cases I fingered some girls in club.The only consent I saw was that they opened their legs more for my finger to be inserted.
4.Generally all these things are very light.If you are a Balkan power individual from a combatant region there is no way a mental games playing Ukrainian woman can embarass you.
5.I am in no rush to close the deal.I date several girls simoultaneously and when it happens it happens.The game played is ''if you do not get banged and take advantage another girl will so you should hurry up.''I am the pimp in the harem.
These women usually smell from first moment what is all about and usually comply.To crash the soviet mentality to the core is a mission impossible and something that brings no value nonetheless

Post: #230

(03-31-2012 03:38 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 02:57 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Due to the level of success I've had in this country, and the total lack of comeback for my libertine-esque behaviour, I simply do not care who I offend, the worse my behaviour the more value I seem to gain in the eyes of the women here.

You have been lucky. It is up to you if you want to push your luck further, but I wouldn't advise it.

Quote:3. Most guys don't start shit with me here, most Ukrainian men are not very strong and do not know how to fight. I'm 6'6', and although i'm only 205 lbs, it's enough to make most of them think twice.

You seem to expect a fair fight one-against-one. This is just ridiculous. What you're more likely to get is a knife in your back, or a wrench on your head, or a pepper spray into your face outside the club followed up by a bunch of people beating you up. Or a couple of police officers beating you with "democracy sticks" how we call it.

Quote:I have been in a couple of situations here, only last week there was this fat disgusting guy at a nightclub here, he was in my face for something, he could have probably crushed me if he got his Gopnik claws on me, but these guys usually do not escalate.

He may do it next week, or next month. As I said the people there have good memories, and if you pissed off someone, be sure he'll not forget it for a while. Watch your back. That's how people got murdered there "for no apparent purpose".

I had only one event when an Ukrainian guy in Donbass attempted choking on me when I was talking to a very good looking girl however I immediately grasped the guy had taken me for a Turk.I told him ''I come from Greece let me show my passport'' and he immediately let me.He told me you will fuck this girl 100%.
Polish guys are quick to punch if you talk to the top girls in club however their punches are very weak and they usually aim the chest not the head like Russians do who are experienced in boxing and have hefty punch.

Post: #231

(03-31-2012 03:38 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 02:57 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Due to the level of success I've had in this country, and the total lack of comeback for my libertine-esque behaviour, I simply do not care who I offend, the worse my behaviour the more value I seem to gain in the eyes of the women here.

You have been lucky. It is up to you if you want to push your luck further, but I wouldn't advise it.

Quote:3. Most guys don't start shit with me here, most Ukrainian men are not very strong and do not know how to fight. I'm 6'6', and although i'm only 205 lbs, it's enough to make most of them think twice.

You seem to expect a fair fight one-against-one. This is just ridiculous. What you're more likely to get is a knife in your back, or a wrench on your head, or a pepper spray into your face outside the club followed up by a bunch of people beating you up. Or a couple of police officers beating you with "democracy sticks" how we call it.

Quote:I have been in a couple of situations here, only last week there was this fat disgusting guy at a nightclub here, he was in my face for something, he could have probably crushed me if he got his Gopnik claws on me, but these guys usually do not escalate.

He may do it next week, or next month. As I said the people there have good memories, and if you pissed off someone, be sure he'll not forget it for a while. Watch your back. That's how people got murdered there "for no apparent purpose".

I have no need to push my luck, I am usually busy with the prettiest girls in the club to worry about the Gopnik hobgoblins at the bar

Ukrainian guys don't need to fight over girls, they are too many for them too care, I share this same attitude

Most guys in bars/clubs here who are looking to start a fight are drunk as pigs, and can barely remember who they are never mind my face the next morning.

I will take heed of your warnings, including contracting HIV from 16yr old female junkies.

Post: #232

(03-31-2012 03:38 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 02:57 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Due to the level of success I've had in this country, and the total lack of comeback for my libertine-esque behaviour, I simply do not care who I offend, the worse my behaviour the more value I seem to gain in the eyes of the women here.

You have been lucky. It is up to you if you want to push your luck further, but I wouldn't advise it.

Quote:3. Most guys don't start shit with me here, most Ukrainian men are not very strong and do not know how to fight. I'm 6'6', and although i'm only 205 lbs, it's enough to make most of them think twice.

You seem to expect a fair fight one-against-one. This is just ridiculous. What you're more likely to get is a knife in your back, or a wrench on your head, or a pepper spray into your face outside the club followed up by a bunch of people beating you up. Or a couple of police officers beating you with "democracy sticks" how we call it.

Quote:I have been in a couple of situations here, only last week there was this fat disgusting guy at a nightclub here, he was in my face for something, he could have probably crushed me if he got his Gopnik claws on me, but these guys usually do not escalate.

He may do it next week, or next month. As I said the people there have good memories, and if you pissed off someone, be sure he'll not forget it for a while. Watch your back. That's how people got murdered there "for no apparent purpose".

I 100% agree with Old Nemesis here and can tell a story that backs up his "murdered for no apparent purpose" theme, in exactly the manner he described it. Deb's in Western Ukraine, so it's probably better and less prone to random violence, although I have seen Russian tourists beat up in Lviv at a bar for speaking in Russian and not Ukrainian by some drunk Ukrainian nationalists. In the Russian part of Ukraine it is more dangerous. Do not push your luck. One of my Marine Corps friends started talking to a chick without realizing her boyfriend was sitting at a table nearby. Her Tatar mafia boyfriend took offense and got in my boy's face. He couldn't speak Russian so I told the dude that my friend did not know and would stop and that we'd go on the other side of the bar. He kept getting in my friend's face even after I tried to calm shit down and eventually I got pissed off and told the dude to go fuck himself and we walk away. 10 minutes later the guy comes up to me and starts buying me drinks and apologizes for his behavior and starts talking to me and being friendly. I was already drunk before this all began, so a couple more drinks and I'm really getting tipsy. I'm stupidly starting to think he's an ok guy. The dude says he wants to go outside and smoke and it's a bit loud inside to talk. We go outside and all of a sudden 4 guys jump out of a car and I'm surrounded by guys with guns and knives. The dude starts screaming in Russian, "Who the fuck do you think you are? I'm going to bury you tonight!" etc, etc... I'm thinking that this is not the way I want to go out, killed for some stupid shit at a fucking club. And I was so fucking pissed off at myself for letting myself get set up like that. It could have just been a bluff on his part, but I saw the guns and knives, so it's a pretty serious bluff. The only thing that saved my ass was that I was a regular there and all the bouncers knew me personally. In about 30 seconds these 5 guys were surrounded by about 15 bouncers.

Back to chicks, yeah, Old Nemesis is right about the "Dynamo." Those are gold diggers in training. Besides the noun "Dynamo" there's even a verb, dynamit' (I know, sounds ridiculous is English), but you can say "Ona dynamila ego" -- "the girl dynamo-ed the guy" i.e. Took him for a ride, made him buy dinner, drinks, etc and didn't give him anything.

It's just a numbers game over there. You got to deal with a lot of that kind of shit before striking gold. Even after years of living over there and being able to identify dynamos quickly, it still happened to me more frequently than I'd care to admit.

I feel strange making a compliment about American girls, but at least at some level, due to all the human rights shit in the USA, a girl will recognize you as a human and can eventually, with much trouble, feel guilty for using a guy. With the Russians, a lot of the girls have an exploitative/extractive mentality. There's no guilt at all for trying to exploit the guy. On the other hand, we're trying to exploit the girls to get laid, so it's a big game really -- who can exploit the other more -- you have to drop a lot of your own Western upbringing and values to go native there -- once you do that, the right path to take with these girls becomes more clear.

I still maintain there's a lot less of this in Western Ukraine than in Eastern Ukraine. The Western girls seemed more genuine, but harder to get for quick lays. But 90% of my experience is with the Russian speakers. The Russian speakers were easier if you're more willing to spend money. They'll always try to extract more shit from you by calling you greedy "Zhadnii" if you're unwilling to spend money on them. The money component is important enough with the Russians that if she goes and makes the comment to her girlfriends that this guy is "zhadnii" they'll all agree that he's not worth it. I tried to find a balance with spending money and getting what I wanted in return. They will push you hard for every last kopek you have if you don't put limits on them. You have to show them you are willing to spend money -- but only when she pleases you and at no other times.

I agree with Deb that it's better to be strong and silent. In fact, I think the most appealing personality to Russian girls is the Chechen mafia type. A lot of them like elements of criminality in their men. The Chechen guys had the right combination of a brutal and ruthless violent streak and then sweet charming pillow talk that the girls couldn't resist. It was "contrast game" for lack of a better term. Maybe it's changed and become more civilized since I was last there, but that's what it was like 6 years ago.

Hey Deb, they still got Millennium and San Remo club in Lviv?? I had some good times at those places.

Post: #233

It is the slavic concept of generosity.They do not like the stingy germanic nature or the short sighted western attitude I give you this you give me that always measuring if you give more than you take.They view this as boring short sighted and restricted.What kind of sacrifices can a guy make for a woman if he measures everything by the kapeeky this is how they think.A Russian guy can spend all his property in one passionate night.
Dostoevsky describes this mentality very well among Russians.They also have a term for the unlimited guy the guy who does whatever he wants with no laws or moral obligations and obstacles.It is considered the highest level of a mans development and very few can reach it.Most die trying.
In general the concepts of unlimited, generous, no halt to desires etc are existent also here in Balkans in a degree and some of them come from orthodoxy and others from slavic nature.
The Caucasians(Chechens etc) have a low reputation in,Russia and many Russian women avoid them like hell.Serbs claim Albanians are genetically related to Chechens(they seem to have come from there the,Caucasus mountains 1000 years ago).

Post: #234

(03-31-2012 03:41 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Just exactly how bad do you think they are that they are un-runnable?. craters?

This is an Striysky Park image from here.



That's how the majority of roads in the park looked pretty much all the time I lived there. Sure it may be considered runnable by some people when it is dry (which is quite rare there), but I wouldn't run there.

BTW why are you call it Lemberg? Do you also tell the people you're from Yugoslavia?

Post: #235

(03-31-2012 04:06 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  In this way you get into a Soviet wall.Generally Ukrainian girls believe that any sign of flexibility is weakness and the best is to be stubborn all the time.Of course I know they are stubborn so I shoot with the bazooka to the barrell.

That's what "the negotiation" is in our terms. It is better to be flexible, but she must be flexible too - i.e. if she's asking for a better deal, you should ask for a better deal too - even if the one she asks for is still acceptable to you. You might not that better deal you ask for, but this would serve as a "stop" sign meaning she cannot really negotiate further. Otherwise if she keeps asking for more and you simply agree, guess what - she'll keep and keep asking for more and more.

Quote:4.Generally all these things are very light.If you are a Balkan power individual from a combatant region there is no way a mental games playing Ukrainian woman can embarass you.

If you're sponsoring, why even bother with all that?

Post: #236

(03-31-2012 04:13 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I had only one event when an Ukrainian guy in Donbass attempted choking on me when I was talking to a very good looking girl however I immediately grasped the guy had taken me for a Turk.I told him ''I come from Greece let me show my passport'' and he immediately let me.He told me you will fuck this girl 100%.

That was good point. Just to add that the guys who openly confront you and are willing to fight right away are not a real threat. Your main threat would be the plain guy who would NOT openly confront you (which may be the case when you're 6+ft) as those are the guys who are more likely to stab you in the back in the bathroom or approach you outside the club with a few of his criminal friends. The idea of a street fight most Westerners have simply doesn't apply there.

Post: #237

(04-01-2012 02:41 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 03:41 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Just exactly how bad do you think they are that they are un-runnable?. craters?

This is an Striysky Park image from here.



That's how the majority of roads in the park looked pretty much all the time I lived there. Sure it may be considered runnable by some people when it is dry (which is quite rare there), but I wouldn't run there.

BTW why are you call it Lemberg? Do you also tell the people you're from Yugoslavia?

Here's another view, as you can see, perfect for running. In fact if the surfaces were uneven that would be more beneficial that running on a totally flat surface. I more prefer trail running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JYmyUmPfQ0

Do you make excuses for not getting laid as well?......"I didn't like the music tonight"...."I had my least favourite underwear on" etc

I call it Lemberg or Vlvi for obvious reasons, I will continue to call it Lemberg or Lvov from now on as it know you Lviv folks love it

Post: #238

(04-01-2012 03:08 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 04:13 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I had only one event when an Ukrainian guy in Donbass attempted choking on me when I was talking to a very good looking girl however I immediately grasped the guy had taken me for a Turk.I told him ''I come from Greece let me show my passport'' and he immediately let me.He told me you will fuck this girl 100%.

That was good point. Just to add that the guys who openly confront you and are willing to fight right away are not a real threat. Your main threat would be the plain guy who would NOT openly confront you (which may be the case when you're 6+ft) as those are the guys who are more likely to stab you in the back in the bathroom or approach you outside the club with a few of his criminal friends. The idea of a street fight most Westerners have simply doesn't apply there.

Ok let's get this straight, you are now saying that a guy who confronts you is not a real threat?

Hmmmm, okey dokey.

I feel a lot safer in this city than almost any other city in the world

Post: #239

Quote:Hey Deb, they still got Millennium and San Remo club in Lviv?? I had some good times at those places.

Millenium is still here, but I think it's gone down hill in recent years. I went there only once, and wouldn't go again. Haven't heard of San Remo, so I assume it closed down.

This city is changing very fast at the moment with EURO 2012 on the way, the city centre is under constant construction

Post: #240

In all former Austrohungary police and cities were formed in a way to allow easy surveillance.Everyone was watched.That is why the crime rate was so low in former Austrohungary.The situation remains the same in the parts of the former Empire(Austria,Czech Republic,Slovakia,Hungary,Slovenia,Croatia,western Ukraine with Lvov,southern Poland).The crime rates are still too low there compared to the situation to cities more east west or south.

Post: #241

I have to add Russians appeared to me considerably more dangerous than the Ukrainians and cunning as well.Also police in Russia are a pain in the ass compared to Ukrainian police.I never saw any knives.The rumor about Russian mafia is that they are ruthless and use heavy armor.But they kill only other mafia members or people who own them money not innocent bystanders.If a Russian says I will kill you it is not a threat.He will actually do it.
There are two Ukrainian mafias as much as I was able to realize.One is based in Kiev and one in Donetsk.It appeared to me that Donetsk mafia is more dangerous.They say that now this is in control of Ukraine having marginalized the Kiev mafia.
However Ukrainians do not seem quick with the knife pulling and I doubt that any considerable percentage of them carry knives.The ones who have here the fame of ''knife rippers'' are the English guys they are famous for that.I mean it is far more likely to get stabbed by an English than by an Ukrainian in any case.Maybe this knife culture of the English came from the crusades where the Sicelian mofos waited for the English counterparts in shadow corners with their stillettos in hand to avoid any notification of other people by gun shot.Probably the English appreciated the method and developed some other kinds of knives(I do not know how they call them) which they are happy to use.

Post: #242

There was an incident in Lemberg last year, some young lad got stabbed to death in the centre. Apparently he was with his friends in some girls apartment, the girls wanted them to leave which they did not, so the girls called their friends and they came with knives and killed one.

That was quite an isolated incident though.

As you say most of the violent crime is done by the mafia types, and it's usually not going to be the average Joe that get's attacked.

For example, you are unlikely to see a "Begbie" type English scene like this





So much funnier in Italian!!!

Post: #243

Classic!

Post: #244

I think the threat of random violence is much much less in the FSU then it is in the UK for example. Everyone who has been out in the UK has seen violence in pubs,clubs or more likely the taxi queue/kebab shop at some point. Just making eye contact with someone in the UK can lead to you getting into a brawl,but I think in the FSU ( unless you are of darker skin colour maybe ) violence is reserved for genuine grievances and the participants will usually know each other. It's the same with football hooliganism in Russia: I have known a few Russian hools and although they love to brawl with the old 'stenka na stenu' system against opposition fans they would not target innocent bystanders or old people or people with kids etc. In Western Europe that fair play does not apply and I've seen plenty of innocent people take a smack at an away ground despite doing nothing to deserve it.

Having said all that bad stuff does happen, does anyone remember the sick video from the Ukraine a few years back: 'two guys one hammer'? There are dangerous fucks everywhere.

Post: #245

(04-01-2012 08:59 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  I think the threat of random violence is much much less in the FSU then it is in the UK for example. Everyone who has been out in the UK has seen violence in pubs,clubs or more likely the taxi queue/kebab shop at some point. Just making eye contact with someone in the UK can lead to you getting into a brawl,but I think in the FSU ( unless you are of darker skin colour maybe ) violence is reserved for genuine grievances and the participants will usually know each other. It's the same with football hooliganism in Russia: I have known a few Russian hools and although they love to brawl with the old 'stenka na stenu' system against opposition fans they would not target innocent bystanders or old people or people with kids etc. In Western Europe that fair play does not apply and I've seen plenty of innocent people take a smack at an away ground despite doing nothing to deserve it.

Having said all that bad stuff does happen, does anyone remember the sick video from the Ukraine a few years back: 'two guys one hammer'? There are dangerous fucks everywhere.

Another grim story to have come out of Ukraine recently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17546743

Post: #246

I'm having a decent time in my industrial FSU city.

Had a coffee date with a cute, smart girl. We'll see how it works out...got to ask for a second meeting tomorrow and escalate. If not..oh well, its all a numbers game. 1-2 hours/day on mamba will usually yield a few phone numbers and a date for the next day.

Got to remember to not get hung up on any one girl, and keep a steady stream of dates going. Eventually, I'll get better at dating these girls and strike gold and find a quality girl.

Post: #247

(04-01-2012 03:16 PM)Spartan Wrote:  I'm having a decent time in my industrial FSU city.

Had a coffee date with a cute, smart girl. We'll see how it works out...got to ask for a second meeting tomorrow and escalate. If not..oh well, its all a numbers game. 1-2 hours/day on mamba will usually yield a few phone numbers and a date for the next day.

Got to remember to not get hung up on any one girl, and keep a steady stream of dates going. Eventually, I'll get better at dating these girls and strike gold and find a quality girl.

Good work Spartan.

Yes you're right, no point getting upset about one girl, there is a steady stream behind her and she know's it

Post: #248

(04-01-2012 03:16 PM)Spartan Wrote:  got to ask for a second meeting tomorrow and escalate. If not..oh well, its all a numbers game. 1-2 hours/day on mamba will usually yield a few phone numbers and a date for the next day.

Got to remember to not get hung up on any one girl, and keep a steady stream of dates going. Eventually, I'll get better at dating these girls and strike gold and find a quality girl.

If your stay in the FSU is sufficiently long, I recommend spacing your dates out by a minimum of five days. This is good for many reasons. One reason is to make her sweat a little bit as to whether you will call her again. In the meantime work on other girls.

Post: #249

(04-01-2012 03:26 PM)The Duke Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 03:16 PM)Spartan Wrote:  got to ask for a second meeting tomorrow and escalate. If not..oh well, its all a numbers game. 1-2 hours/day on mamba will usually yield a few phone numbers and a date for the next day.

Got to remember to not get hung up on any one girl, and keep a steady stream of dates going. Eventually, I'll get better at dating these girls and strike gold and find a quality girl.

If your stay in the FSU is sufficiently long, I recommend spacing your dates out by a minimum of five days. This is good for many reasons. One reason is to make her sweat a little bit as to whether you will call her again. In the meantime work on other girls.

It's one of my favourite games here making the girls sweat for a few days, they get so neurotic they can't help sending that text before long.

Post: #250

(03-31-2012 08:56 PM)Subotai Wrote:  I feel strange making a compliment about American girls, but at least at some level, due to all the human rights shit in the USA, a girl will recognize you as a human and can eventually, with much trouble, feel guilty for using a guy. With the Russians, a lot of the girls have an exploitative/extractive mentality. There's no guilt at all for trying to exploit the guy. On the other hand, we're trying to exploit the girls to get laid, so it's a big game really -- who can exploit the other more -- you have to drop a lot of your own Western upbringing and values to go native there -- once you do that, the right path to take with these girls becomes more clear.

I still maintain there's a lot less of this in Western Ukraine than in Eastern Ukraine. The Western girls seemed more genuine, but harder to get for quick lays. But 90% of my experience is with the Russian speakers. The Russian speakers were easier if you're more willing to spend money. They'll always try to extract more shit from you by calling you greedy "Zhadnii" if you're unwilling to spend money on them. The money component is important enough with the Russians that if she goes and makes the comment to her girlfriends that this guy is "zhadnii" they'll all agree that he's not worth it. I tried to find a balance with spending money and getting what I wanted in return. They will push you hard for every last kopek you have if you don't put limits on them. You have to show them you are willing to spend money -- but only when she pleases you and at no other times.

Spot on here. During my time in Russia I encountered this behaviour very often. I ended up marrying a Russian woman and this behaviour doesnt change in marriage. My soon to be ex constantly drained the bank account dry with no consideration about the prospect of a rainy day in the future. Only time savings were ever made is when she wanted a trip back to Russia.

The 'zhadnii' mentality I was explained was that Russians like to live for the day and not worry about the future. This means you got it now, you spend it, and worry about tomorrow when tomorrow comes. They dont have the savings mentality of Western cultures and many have a huge distrust of the banks after an incident where the ruble collapsed against the greenback and the banks closed their doors, letting the people take the loss rather than themselves. In my 6.5 years of marriage the 'zhadnii' mentality has been done consistently to me, to demean and belittle me into spending beyond my means.