(03-23-2015 11:00 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  An unattractive woman from okc that I don’t even like doesn't want to see me again. I’m pissed.

I don't even know why it bothers me.

Could be a preemptive strike. She felt what you felt chemistry wise - you can't fire me because I quit.

(03-23-2015 01:13 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Blurred, I'm absolutely stoked your hard work is being redeemed, you're a model of how to look at things positively, and use your strengths to your advantage.

I think well all can get stuck in what can be a negative cycle. (Hell it's happened to me)

Which can be hard to get out of. Whether it's with an ex, plates, a break down in a harem, dry spells, failures on the first date, not getting a second date, this list goeso n.

It truly does prove that given time, hard work, experiences, you can push through and you can win...consistently.

I suggest anyone reading this, check out some of Blurred's accomplishments, learn from him ! I'd rep you again if I could.

And remember, always have a PMA (positive mental attitude).

Thanks man!! You and Travesty have kept me on track and deliver real talk when necessary which keeps me honest. I was inspired by Soup when he still posted here too.

And this year, my positivity has been motivated and influenced by Giovonny. I owe Gio a lot of credit for my own personal journey into positivity and the benefits that mindset can bring! I recommend anyone to check out his posts and his positivity will infect you too.

You guys might think I sound like a fruit, but I was literally dancing in my living room tonight by myself after this girl left. We have chilled/banged 3 times now, and I just felt so good by the way things are going, and from my interaction with her, that I couldn't help but dance!

She had told me earlier "I like you because I can just be myself around you, and you don't judge me." To me that was like a signal that I had crossed some new threshold of game. This girl is mad hot and she sees me as a chill guy she can let loose with. It's a great compliment.

Anyway, I want to remind anyone reading this to keep your head up and persevere. Because it is possible. And you will make it happen!

If I can do it, anyone can do it.

(03-23-2015 11:00 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  An unattractive woman from okc that I don’t even like doesn't want to see me again. I’m pissed.

I don't even know why it bothers me.

Lol, sounds like the majority of okcupid. The women on these sites have huge egos.

^ Gio is the sole reason I sacked up, moved to SB and really started day gaming college girls, good reason why he has 200+ rep.

I think happiness and fulfillment is something you need to look at as a cornerstone in your game endeavors, then it almost seems like pure pleasure. You need to go after the girls you really want and do what it takes to get there. This may mean a shitload of work and a complete overhaul of yourself and direction in life, I think it is worth it.

When you know you can use game to positively affect your life you see the broader implications of that good control. It can go much further than women.

(03-23-2015 07:48 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  1. No they don't. Because they don't need you.
It's one of the harder red pill truth I need to swallow.

2. girls are not the same in real life and in texts. They can be a cute kitty in texts but an ice queen in real life. That's how socially uncalibrated the modern woman is. I don't even get excited anymore when I receive a positive text. I lost count of how many girls react exactly like you describe above, but when you 1) go radio silence 2) ask them out, they disappear from the face of the earth.

3. The one thing you as a player can do to up your chance, is to engage her emotions and strike while that buying temperature is still hot.

+1 for your timely, relevant and insightful comments.

Your success is dependent upon the level of attraction you generate and the speed with which you convert. Every minute that passes by after your initial interaction is a minute something new and different happens to your target. When I was nightgaming heavily at a point, I stopped collecting numbers because they were basically useless...and I only focused on SNLs.

With respect more so to DayGame, but generally any type of game that forces an approach, you have to remember to:

• spread your net wide

• make your pipeline and execution funnel efficient i.e. know how much and when to apply the level of effort you need to keep the interaction moving forward

• close when you get the in-person meet

Unless you are a 9 and have natural game, or have a DHV job (producer, promoter, DJ, connector) or are loaded - Nothing is a given and you have to earn every step.

1. Great at approaching? Cool, focus on number closing.
2. Great at number closing? Cool, focus on sniper text game
3. Great at emotionally engaging in text? Cool, focus on getting a no-flake date
4. Great at getting consistent no-flake first dates? Cool, follow Tuthmosis's first date bang down to the T
   

The 2 ways to circumvent this process are:
- SNL game + excellent logistics (read Travestys SB approach diary for outstanding in-depth examples)
- online game - read the 2 main threads (OKC/tinder) + BlurredSevens photo taking thread

The most important things to remember are:
- Remain outcome independent - do no get too high or too low on small victories. A number close or text back doesn't mean shit. The only time you should be jumping off the roof is after you've banged
- Remember you are the prize and the judge

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To illustrate my points I'll give you some recent background.

I've lost out on 2 +1s recently with 2 8+s [some stupid D-list actress and some silly fitness trainer/sales girl] because one 'realized' our first hang (most likely a first date bang) coincided with St Paddys and the 2nd's 'job' was didn't give her time to hang. Time went on and I couldn't keep the engagement levels high enough to get the in-person.

I broke most rules above...put too much effort in too few eggs and didnt escalate fast to the first date. Point is - you have ebbs & flows. It is inevitable. How you respond to the lows allows you to keep the highs in perspective.

Now, while leveling up on my day game - I try to keep Giovanny's rule of success (x number of approaches lead to y number of bangs) in my mind and try to take it 1 day at a time and not put too much effort in a single interaction.

I think it's important to have a social warm up routine in the morning. I'm not sure how many people here do any warm up exercises for their body to get the blood flowing, but I think it's also important to engage in some social exercise. I write this because this morning I was all groggy and non-social. I hadn't opened my mouth to say a single word before I left the house, so when an opportunity presented itself, my social muscle was not very active.

Our brains have a speech center, but if you're not firing those neurons, you're not going to be very active. I have found in the past that reading out loud, whatever it is, for 10-15 minutes, really helps to get into a more social mood.

(03-23-2015 11:00 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  An unattractive woman from okc that I don’t even like doesn't want to see me again. I’m pissed.

I don't even know why it bothers me.

I've had this happen to me twice in the last three weeks but they were from Tinder. If I were to have seen either of them on the street I would never have even given them a glance, let alone approached them. Both looked worse than their photos and I was going back and forth in my mind as to whether I should invite them back to my place or not. I figured what the hell, it would be an easy notch so I did. My heart wasn't into it and both stopped any attempts at escalation dead in their tracks. I felt like shit after the fact and made myself a promise that I will only attempt to close the "fuck yeah" girls to quote a great article by Mark Manson.

(03-24-2015 12:30 AM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 01:13 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Blurred, I'm absolutely stoked your hard work is being redeemed, you're a model of how to look at things positively, and use your strengths to your advantage.

I think well all can get stuck in what can be a negative cycle. (Hell it's happened to me)

Which can be hard to get out of. Whether it's with an ex, plates, a break down in a harem, dry spells, failures on the first date, not getting a second date, this list goeso n.

It truly does prove that given time, hard work, experiences, you can push through and you can win...consistently.

I suggest anyone reading this, check out some of Blurred's accomplishments, learn from him ! I'd rep you again if I could.

And remember, always have a PMA (positive mental attitude).

Thanks man!! You and Travesty have kept me on track and deliver real talk when necessary which keeps me honest. I was inspired by Soup when he still posted here too.

And this year, my positivity has been motivated and influenced by Giovonny. I owe Gio a lot of credit for my own personal journey into positivity and the benefits that mindset can bring! I recommend anyone to check out his posts and his positivity will infect you too.

You guys might think I sound like a fruit, but I was literally dancing in my living room tonight by myself after this girl left. We have chilled/banged 3 times now, and I just felt so good by the way things are going, and from my interaction with her, that I couldn't help but dance!

She had told me earlier "I like you because I can just be myself around you, and you don't judge me." To me that was like a signal that I had crossed some new threshold of game. This girl is mad hot and she sees me as a chill guy she can let loose with. It's a great compliment.

Anyway, I want to remind anyone reading this to keep your head up and persevere. Because it is possible. And you will make it happen!

If I can do it, anyone can do it.

Blurred you're one of my main inspirations on this forum. I've had fleeting moments of what you're feeling but right now those seem pretty far away. Please keep the positive posts and field reports coming, it keeps me going through the dark times of my red pill journey.

(03-24-2015 12:30 AM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  And this year, my positivity has been motivated and influenced by Giovonny.

I'm happy to hear that positivity has worked for you. (It doesn't work for everybody)

Positivity encourages productivity and creativity while discouraging complaining and depression.

That said, I do believe in a healthy dose of negativity, there is a time for it. We must find the healthy balance of negative and positive.

(03-24-2015 12:42 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Gio is the sole reason I sacked up, moved to SB and really started day gaming college girls

Travesty444,

I look forward to meeting you one of these days!

I would be honored to climb out onto your "roof" one of these days.

(03-24-2015 01:24 AM)LAX Wrote:  I try to keep Giovanny's rule of success (x number of approaches lead to y number of bangs)

Just understand that you may have to do hundreds of approaches to find success.

When I first got started. I had to approach nearly 100 girls just to get 1 date.

Repeated failure is how I learned to be successful.

Maintain "thick skin', a stoic attitude, and a light-hearted determination.

Even, when I was getting rejected 99% of the time, I had fun with every approach.

I think having fun is another secret of my success.

I only approach in ways that are fun for me.

(03-24-2015 10:18 AM)Menace Wrote:  I think it's important to have a social warm up routine in the morning.

Yes, that's a great point!

We often need to warm up" our social skills and speaking skills, especially, in the morning, And, in particular, in we expect to meet girls before lunch.

I used to chat with bus drivers, old ladies on the subway, the garbage man, the gardener, city workers, subway workers, old men, etc.

In fact, I like to talk to older people because they are often very friendly and have surprisingly good social grace.

Like Menace said, the brain often works better when it is "warmed up".

I like to get into a chatty mood before I start approaching girls.

P.S. -- getting good sleep helps me to feel alert and social in the mornings.

I stumbled across this thread at the right time.

After a really fruitful but ultimately plateaued 2013-14, I'm starting to make some breakthroughs. I feel in tune with what a lot of you guys are posting here.

Looking forward to contributing here and learning also.

(03-23-2015 02:58 AM)Stun Wrote:  I need to improve my talking-to-younger-girls game. I blew myself out with a couple mid-20s girls, who were otherwise attracted by making references to shit they didn't understand or know about.

If there are guys experienced with girls 10-15 years younger, how do you relate to them?

I have a 13 yrs younger girl who it hasn't been an issue with, but more and more I'm seeing this now.

1) Never Explain

2) Talk about current events if you're are stumped for convo. They all know The Bachelor, they might know Fresh Prince, they won't know Miami Vice.

3) Movies, Art, TV, Music, Travel are all things 20-somethings are into.

If a girl I meet or am seeing cracks some 'old' joke either just ignore it or agree and amplify - 'Yeah, I'm old....I'm 206.'

"You won't look half this good in 15 years."

Keeping the old charm muscle working I chatted on/off with some porky but nice asians next to me who were from surprise, surprise, Portland. They pretty much opened me after I did a pretty good job at my first karaoke song. The cute white girl with them was a little bit Porkland too and she pretty much ignored me which was fine.

Just doing this prompted cute blonde/blue eyed girl to hover over where I was at the bar. I gave her shit for grabbing limes right off the tray at the bar and it was on. She laughed but immediately tested me by telling her she worked here but wasn't working at the moment. I told her, "Uh huh, when was the last time you washed your hands?" and she burst out laughing even harder saying I got her and asking me if I wanted a lime for my beers.

"Not with those grubby hands!"

She insisted but I turned her down again and talked to her briefly before breaking off and hitting my table again for some more karaoke. Killed it with some more karaoke and then skipped out to go home, watch some poker pros battle it out on TV and then pass out. My buddy tried approaching two of the cutest girls in the bar but got turned down immediately. He played it off pretty well though, so I congratulated him on at least making the effort.

Fun night just hanging out but working a little game to not get completely rusty.

(03-24-2015 06:01 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  Keeping the old charm muscle working I chatted on/off with some porky but nice asians next to me who were from surprise, surprise, Portland.

Oh yes, fat Asian girls the end of the land whale tail of decline in any city. Once Asian girls start getting fat it's fucking bad.

Portland... it is really a great city in many ways except for the girls and many of the strange people with terrible social skills.

I met my ex-girlfriend to catch up over coffee a couple of days ago and I have been bed-ridden with 39°C fever since then. I let her prepare my drink and started feeling ill as soon as I got on the train home. Turns out it's a bacterial infection but my mom and sister think it was an assassination attempt, either way it's bad omen and I learned my lesson.

(03-24-2015 07:29 PM)LouEvilSlugger Wrote:  I met my ex-girlfriend to catch up over coffee a couple of days ago and I have been bed-ridden with 39°C fever since then. I let her prepare my drink and started feeling ill as soon as I got on the train home. Turns out it's a bacterial infection but my mom and sister think it was an assassination attempt, either way it's bad omen and I learned my lesson.

Another reason not to hangout with ex's, assassination attempts lol

Feel better.

(03-23-2015 07:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  I'd say for the average plate you have about a week and a half of radio silent before she moves on and is hard to get back into consistent rotation. Plates actually take some work usually see them once a week and be in contact every 3 or 4 days to keep things smooth sailing. I wish girls would be cool with one contact once a month or two and just come bang. I think that has only worked for me with ex-plates, but even then very inconsistently. People move on with their lives.

You should do a little experimenting here - you might be surprised to find that you can go awhile without seeing or talking to girls, and they will still be down to bang.

Here is how I handle all my girls, starting with whenever it is we first bang:

Day 1: Bang
Day 2: follow up on bang, suggest meeting up again sometime
Day 7: text her, suggest meeting up the following week
Day 14: re-bang
Day 15: follow up on bang, suggest meeting up again sometime...

Repeat until she fades or until I lose interest.

Oftentimes, I go 3+ weeks between bangs with the same girl. Last night I banged a girl for the 3rd time that I hadn't seen for 6 weeks.

I have had that same pattern with two additional girls so far this year. They are cool with going weeks not seeing me.

Interestingly, these 3 girls are probably the hottest I have ever been with. Not sure if that is a coincidence but it's my observation.

One young girl, this fly 21 year old chick, told me "it's actually cool that you're so busy, it means you have a life outside of me which I like." So I think that taking it "slow" with girls and putting a lot of time between when you see them is a big DHV. It shows them that you're busy, non-needy, and also demonstrates that you're not interested in a relationship, but that you do enjoy her company.

(03-24-2015 11:59 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 07:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  I'd say for the average plate you have about a week and a half of radio silent before she moves on and is hard to get back into consistent rotation. Plates actually take some work usually see them once a week and be in contact every 3 or 4 days to keep things smooth sailing. I wish girls would be cool with one contact once a month or two and just come bang. I think that has only worked for me with ex-plates, but even then very inconsistently. People move on with their lives.

You should do a little experimenting here - you might be surprised to find that you can go awhile without seeing or talking to girls, and they will still be down to bang.

Here is how I handle all my girls, starting with whenever it is we first bang:

Day 1: Bang
Day 2: follow up on bang, suggest meeting up again sometime
Day 7: text her, suggest meeting up the following week
Day 14: re-bang
Day 15: follow up on bang, suggest meeting up again sometime...

Repeat until she fades or until I lose interest.

Oftentimes, I go 3+ weeks between bangs with the same girl. Last night I banged a girl for the 3rd time that I hadn't seen for 6 weeks.

I have had that same pattern with two additional girls so far this year. They are cool with going weeks not seeing me.

Interestingly, these 3 girls are probably the hottest I have ever been with. Not sure if that is a coincidence but it's my observation.

One young girl, this fly 21 year old chick, told me "it's actually cool that you're so busy, it means you have a life outside of me which I like." So I think that taking it "slow" with girls and putting a lot of time between when you see them is a big DHV. It shows them that you're busy, non-needy, and also demonstrates that you're not interested in a relationship, but that you do enjoy her company.

Will confirm this still works and the girls are down.

I've gone 2-3 weeks not seeing a plate and still banging here, if you fuck them good, they will keep coming back for more.

HOWEVER, I do maintenance texts from time to time.

I always let a girl know, I work 7 days a week, I "travel" for work and I have a life of my own. I'll hangout with them when I HAVE time.

This does a few things:
-It shows you have a life like you mentioned.
-It shows even if you're busy, you'll make time when YOU want.
-It let's them know you don't have time for a relationship.
-It puts them in "when I'm with I'm with you, when I'm not, I'm not category"
-It screens out girls who want relationships vs. a fuck buddy.

It's good to do this for both parties so you don't catch feelings, you both know where you stand. You can also spend time gaming other girls.

(03-25-2015 12:14 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 11:59 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 07:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  I'd say for the average plate you have about a week and a half of radio silent before she moves on and is hard to get back into consistent rotation. Plates actually take some work usually see them once a week and be in contact every 3 or 4 days to keep things smooth sailing. I wish girls would be cool with one contact once a month or two and just come bang. I think that has only worked for me with ex-plates, but even then very inconsistently. People move on with their lives.

You should do a little experimenting here - you might be surprised to find that you can go awhile without seeing or talking to girls, and they will still be down to bang.

Here is how I handle all my girls, starting with whenever it is we first bang:

Day 1: Bang
Day 2: follow up on bang, suggest meeting up again sometime
Day 7: text her, suggest meeting up the following week
Day 14: re-bang
Day 15: follow up on bang, suggest meeting up again sometime...

Repeat until she fades or until I lose interest.

Oftentimes, I go 3+ weeks between bangs with the same girl. Last night I banged a girl for the 3rd time that I hadn't seen for 6 weeks.

I have had that same pattern with two additional girls so far this year. They are cool with going weeks not seeing me.

Interestingly, these 3 girls are probably the hottest I have ever been with. Not sure if that is a coincidence but it's my observation.

One young girl, this fly 21 year old chick, told me "it's actually cool that you're so busy, it means you have a life outside of me which I like." So I think that taking it "slow" with girls and putting a lot of time between when you see them is a big DHV. It shows them that you're busy, non-needy, and also demonstrates that you're not interested in a relationship, but that you do enjoy her company.

Will confirm this still works and the girls are down.

I've gone 2-3 weeks not seeing a plate and still banging here, if you fuck them good, they will keep coming back for more.

HOWEVER, I do maintenance texts from time to time.

I always let a girl know, I work 7 days a week, I "travel" for work and I have a life of my own. I'll hangout with them when I HAVE time.

This does a few things:
-It shows you have a life like you mentioned.
-It shows even if you're busy, you'll make time when YOU want.
-It let's them know you don't have time for a relationship.
-It puts them in "when I'm with I'm with you, when I'm not, I'm not category"
-It screens out girls who want relationships vs. a fuck buddy.

It's good to do this for both parties so you don't catch feelings, you both know where you stand. You can also spend time gaming other girls.

Good point gents. I think with the 8-9s this is a really good method. DHV and completely not one oz of neediness keeps them at your control.

(03-25-2015 12:14 AM)kaotic Wrote:  HOWEVER, I do maintenance texts from time to time.

Which is what I was getting at in my other post.

If you're making this girl laugh, going on fun dates, and giving her multiple orgasms - shouldn't she be fighting to stay relevant in your life?

If there was a girl who was making me bust nuts left and right, and overall, we had great chemistry and no drama, you can bet your ass I would be making the moves needed to keep things that way for as long as possible.

If you're sending maintenance texts - it's to keep your name fresh on her mind. Why? We're supposed to be these high value alpha dudes - of which, there are not a lot. She should be going to comical lengths to hold your attention. You're the prize, remember? She should be sending you maintenance texts.

And you may come across the one girl who does this. Who realizes, shit, this is an awesome guy, I want to lock him down. But it's not consistent.

That's what I'm saying - if you have 5 or 6 girls as your go to girls - and you suddenly went ghost on all of them - how many do you think would initiate contact and try to see you again/fuck you again or at the very least, ask where the fuck you've been and what you've been up to?

How high is your value really? Are we at such a point now in society where you can be this awesome guy, but the chick still can't be bothered to send the first text? Would she rather not hear from you at all than bother herself with making the first move? Are her options that deep?

(03-25-2015 12:35 AM)Mister X Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:14 AM)kaotic Wrote:  HOWEVER, I do maintenance texts from time to time.

How high is your value really? Are we at such a point now in society where you can be this awesome guy, but the chick still can't be bothered to send the first text? Would she rather not hear from you at all than bother herself with making the first move? Are her options that deep?

I get what you are saying but still disagree. It is the man's job to set up the dates, plan everything, escalate and wear the pants in a relationship or mini relationship. Women aren't used to doing any of that.

(03-25-2015 12:48 AM)eradicator Wrote:  I get what you are saying but still disagree. It is the man's job to set up the dates, plan everything, escalate and wear the pants in a relationship or mini relationship. Women aren't used to doing any of that.

Sure he should lead, but I don't think sending an initial text needs to be a fucking power struggle. Everything can't be a battle over who cares the least. Which I'm sure is part of the problem. Cosmo and other chick media outlets telling them not to text the man because it makes them look needy.

By the same token, I guarantee guys like Dicaprio don't need to send maintenance texts to secure a bang. Why? Because his value is off the charts. Girls are gonna do what they can to remain a part of his life. They realize this is an awesome, high value guy, and they're not gonna let him get away from them that easy.

Obviously we're not gonna get the same level of interest as a celebrity gets but the idea remains the same - fuck this belief that the man has to do x, it's his job to do x - if a girl sees you as a high value man, who ticks all her boxes, she's not going to let a silly thing like you not texting her first be the reason you guys faded out. She's gonna fight for that shit.

If she doesn't - she didn't think you were as high value as you personally think you are.

It bothers me that no matter how hard you rock a girl's world - things like this can still happen. Again, the experiment is there waiting for any dudes who want to test how valuable the women in their life see them as being. Are you valuable enough to get a text message after a week plus of no contact? I don't think it's asking for much.

(03-25-2015 12:48 AM)eradicator Wrote:  I get what you are saying but still disagree. It is the man's job to set up the dates, plan everything, escalate and wear the pants in a relationship or mini relationship. Women aren't used to doing any of that.

Yeah exactly, women don't know how to do it.

Also, it's called GAME for a reason! Women like to be chased. They like to play hard to get. They like feeling wanted by a man.

If they are doing all the work, then it takes half the fun out of it for them.

(03-25-2015 01:02 AM)Mister X Wrote:  By the same token, I guarantee guys like Dicaprio don't need to send maintenance texts to secure a bang. Why? Because his value is off the charts. Girls are gonna do what they can to remain a part of his life. They realize this is an awesome, high value guy, and they're not gonna let him get away from them that easy.

You might find some solace by learning more about sales and marketing.

Look at Apple.

Biggest company in the world. Tremendous value.

But you know what? They're still putting print ads in magazines, doing TV and radio commercials, partnerships, endorsements, product debuts, their CEO is hustling and doing seminars and interviews, etc., all to remind you that their company exists!

You think people buy shit just because it's good value? No! People buy because someone convinced them to buy. And they buy a second time because someone convinced them to buy a second time!

I own an iPhone but every day Google and Microsoft and Samsung and Motorola and LG are all courting me trying to get me to buy their phone the next time! It's not that I don't like my iPhone, but if someone else has captured more of my attention, and they are making me a better offer, well then that's who I'm more likely to purchase from the next time.

Girls and The Game are no different.

If she's hot, other guys are trying to fuck her. There is competition in EVERY market.

If you want the best, you need to work for it. Not even the biggest, most successful company in the world gets to take a day off. And neither do you.

And neither does DiCaprio - he's hardly resting on his laurels. He's out there hustling making more movies doing more interviews and photo shoots, because that's what it takes to be successful.

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edit: I'll bet you a million bucks DiCaprio is sending out maintenance texts. Know why I'm confident? Because he's got girls throwing themselves at him left and right. But no successful man wants the easy girls. Successful men are driven to go after what they CAN'T easily get. It's human nature, to want what you can't have.

Right now, there is some crafty girl who is playing hard to get with Leo. Not because she doesn't understand his high value, but precisely because she DOES understand his high value, and she knows how to get the best out of him that she can. To do this, she plays coy and hard to get.

And I bet it's working, and I bet they're both getting a thrill out of it.

(03-25-2015 12:35 AM)Mister X Wrote:  If you're making this girl laugh, going on fun dates, and giving her multiple orgasms - shouldn't she be fighting to stay relevant in your life?

If there was a girl who was making me bust nuts left and right, and overall, we had great chemistry and no drama, you can bet your ass I would be making the moves needed to keep things that way for as long as possible.

I'm NOT busting my ass off, I'm literally sending a text asking what trouble they're getting in, some of these girls I actually enjoy texting because it's a good/funny convo.

Tonight for example one of my plates went to a rave and got sick after, I told her what she should've done before and after with vitamins, etc. It was a great convo, she discovered a few interesting things about me in the process.

She suggested we hang out a few days ago.

The blondie with the ass, we literally text 4 texts a day, HOURS apart. She texted me this morning first, I texted her back, then late night at 10 she's asking when she's seeing me again.

Quote:If you're sending maintenance texts - it's to keep your name fresh on her mind. Why? We're supposed to be these high value alpha dudes - of which, there are not a lot. She should be going to comical lengths to hold your attention. You're the prize, remember? She should be sending you maintenance texts.

And you may come across the one girl who does this. Who realizes, shit, this is an awesome guy, I want to lock him down. But it's not consistent.

Yes to keep my name fresh on her mind, Blurred's right regardless of how high your SMV is, there is another guy that is wanting to fuck her stupid. She isn't thinking logically and she'll probably hop on the next dick.

Quote:That's what I'm saying - if you have 5 or 6 girls as your go to girls - and you suddenly went ghost on all of them - how many do you think would initiate contact and try to see you again/fuck you again or at the very least, ask where the fuck you've been and what you've been up to?

How high is your value really? Are we at such a point now in society where you can be this awesome guy, but the chick still can't be bothered to send the first text? Would she rather not hear from you at all than bother herself with making the first move? Are her options that deep?

I think of the main HB 8 and 4 of the plates I have, 3 for sure would wonder where I am, the last one is just a slut and knows why I'm texting her. There have been points where I let a harem collapse and some ghost on me.

Other times feelings get in the way, and ultimatum is put out, and I stand my ground, then eject.

(03-25-2015 01:02 AM)Mister X Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:48 AM)eradicator Wrote:  I get what you are saying but still disagree. It is the man's job to set up the dates, plan everything, escalate and wear the pants in a relationship or mini relationship. Women aren't used to doing any of that.

Sure he should lead, but I don't think sending an initial text needs to be a fucking power struggle. Everything can't be a battle over who cares the least. Which I'm sure is part of the problem. Cosmo and other chick media outlets telling them not to text the man because it makes them look needy.

An initial text isn't a power struggle or an act of war man, I can't be friendly and see what they're up too ? I need to only text to maintain contact ? That's now how I do things, I text because I want to text.

Quote:By the same token, I guarantee guys like Dicaprio don't need to send maintenance texts to secure a bang. Why? Because his value is off the charts. Girls are gonna do what they can to remain a part of his life. They realize this is an awesome, high value guy, and they're not gonna let him get away from them that easy.

Obviously we're not gonna get the same level of interest as a celebrity gets but the idea remains the same - fuck this belief that the man has to do x, it's his job to do x - if a girl sees you as a high value man, who ticks all her boxes, she's not going to let a silly thing like you not texting her first be the reason you guys faded out. She's gonna fight for that shit.

If she doesn't - she didn't think you were as high value as you personally think you are.

Dude we aren't Leo, secondly, I doubt 5% of any RVF'ers have that much powerful game.

Especially on online dating, it's a fucking cock carousel man.

Yeah girls will text once in awhile especially plates, but not one night stands.

Quote:It bothers me that no matter how hard you rock a girl's world - things like this can still happen. Again, the experiment is there waiting for any dudes who want to test how valuable the women in their life see them as being. Are you valuable enough to get a text message after a week plus of no contact? I don't think it's asking for much.

Sounds like you're frustrated about that, and I feel you man. Shit isn't fair when it comes to game and women.

I can tell you right now the answer is mixed, some guys will have girls blowing up their phone, others simply won't.

I've been on both ends, and have had mixed response.

To skip back, there was a story on here once of a giy chasing down a TV show girl that was really hot, maybe local news?

He ended up getting her waiting long times to text 10 days to 3 weeks (she took long times to respond, sometimes a week) and he banged said it was his hottest bang.

Makes sense the hotter the girl the longer your delays should be. They need more proof that you aren't needy and have as much or hopefully more going on then they do.