(03-12-2015 06:17 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ I am convinced killer instinct to go from a heavy make out to a bang is the most in-born part of Game and hardest to learn. I am lucky it was pretty much the only part of game I am a natural at and had to put tons of work into everything else, except closing.

It comes from the primitive part of the brain much more than any logic like approaches, openers, logistics, clothes whatever.

It is the toughest part of Game I cannot know how to verbalize. I use analogies like being a shark with blood in the water or a tree panther going for the jugular, but there is no text that can explain how to grab a girl, how much to look in her eyes, how intensely, how heavy to breathe. A million tiny things.

This is the major roadblock for many many guys who have charm and social circle game.

Girls are also extremely unforgiving in this area. A botched approach, or sorta lame date, you can still get laid. When a girl is giving the green light to have sex with her you usually get one shot and then the hamster straps itself on a rocket to the moon if you don't capitalize.

THIS. This is exactly what it is, it's primal instinct in capturing your prey and going for the kill.

Something awakens in me, the adrenaline flows, but I've learned to control it and be on the same wavelength as her.

I can't explain it either, it's just something you do, you fucking do it and blitzkreig the fuck out of her.

You just know, don't fuck up, and she melts in your hands.

The way you touch her, pull her hair, bit her lip, caress her body, the way you look at her, how cool you play it, how aggressive you are, the lighting Trav's right it's a million tiny things.

I fucked this up on Weds but DIALED it in the next night. It's like night and day.

(03-12-2015 04:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 02:34 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 07:17 AM)DarianFrey Wrote:  Please share your favorite drinking games that you do with girls. Having a girl over tomorrow evening and I'd like to try some out.

Here is a game a girl taught me. It's not a drinking game, but it's fun to do while drinking:

- You each take 3 colored pencils (or markers or crayons) and a piece of plain paper.

- You create a divider (like a stack of books) so she can't see your paper, and you can't see hers.

- Then you both have 10 minutes to draw a portrait of each other!

After 10 minutes, you do the big reveal, and you both get to see what the other one drew. The reveal is always very funny, because chances are you both drew terrible portraits.

It's a great way to keep the energy high, tease her, get her laughing, and have some fun.

But the real magic, of course, is that for 10 straight minutes she's staring at you, thinking about you, or drawing your picture. This can build a lot of attraction!

This is really great. We need a thread with first meet ideas that are interactive.

Art Museum. If you're not an expert looking at famous art - and who here is - 15 minutes on the website will make you seem like an expert which is all that matters.

Some museums serve alcohol. And, as someone mentioned above, you're keeping them on their feet for a couple of hours...

This has been close to a never fail for me.

^ The lighting that's funny.

My last bang I had the girl on the back porch. I just installed a new porch light bulb flicked it on... way too bright and florescent... immediately without thinking flipped it off and turned on the kitchen light that has a window to the porch for a much more soothing light.

This was right before the makeout. Many new guys to game would just leave the light, or make some comment about it trying to joke about the bad lighting, or even worse wait til the chick comments on it and complains and kills the mood.

I was only interested in going after her. I was on autopilot. No dumb jokes, no talking about the lighting, just casually do it with no words and continue.

I would have done this if I was a virgin though and never read any Game. I just have that killer feeling and know how the environment needs to be to set up for the kill. The lighting in my bedroom has a small nightstand lamp I only turn it on for dim light, in my living room I have 3 lights all turned on that is soothing for friends and to relax in... I kill the center ceiling light and leave the 2 other lamps on for mood lighting with chicks.

There is a science to this I just inherently know.

(03-12-2015 06:34 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ The lighting that's funny.

My last bang I had the girl on the back porch. I just installed a new porch light bulb flicked it on... way too bright and florescent... immediately without thinking flipped it off and turned on the kitchen light that has a window to the porch for a much more soothing light.

This was right before the makeout. Many new guys to game would just leave the light, or make some comment about it trying to joke about the bad lighting, or even worse wait til the chick comments on it and complains and kills the mood.

I was only interested in going after her. I was on autopilot. No dumb jokes, no talking about the lighting, just casually do it with no words and continue.

I would have done this if I was a virgin though and never read any Game. I just have that killer feeling and know how the environment needs to be to set up for the kill. The lighting in my bedroom has a small nightstand lamp I only turn it on for dim light, in my living room I have 3 lights all turned on that is soothing for friends and to relax in... I kill the center ceiling light and leave the 2 other lamps on for mood lighting with chicks.

There is a science to this I just inherently know.

It's true, it's a good strategy and I think there is a science to it.

I NEVER turn on the lamps in my room, I use the light from my PC (which has cool LED's) or my TV to illuminate my room.

My entire house is usually dark also. I also like low lit bars, if we get coffee, it's at night and we sit outside if it's not too cold.

I think it does a lot of things:
-It sets a cool and calm mood.
-It sets the sexual tension if it's low lit in your room.
-A girl who is possibly insecure with her body (basically any girl) will feel more comfortable with low lights.
-I noticed you both tend to focus on each other more if it's darker.
-Relaxes the strain on the eyes and also makes you a bit in sleep mode.

Lighting is actually an inherent part of my bang strategy.

My bedroom is separate from the rest of my apartment...kind of like a studio + bedroom. Whenever I go out or have a girl coming over I leave the lamp on in my bedroom, facing the wall, so it lights up the whole room but only dimly. This way when I go into my room it's already lit. I can initiate foreplay in the apartment, pick the girl up, then lift her up and throw her on my bed. Done deal.

My bedroom is separate from the rest of my apartment...kind of like a studio + bedroom. Whenever I go out or have a girl coming over I leave the lamp on in my bedroom, facing the wall, so it lights up the whole room but only dimly. This way when I go into my room it's already lit. I can initiate foreplay in the apartment, pick the girl up, then lift her up and throw her on my bed. Done deal.

I'm really liking this current discussion and it's 100% applicable to what I'm experiencing currently. Here is a step by step breakdown of last night's date with an emphasis on when we arrived back to my place. Please critique this with your harshest eye as I am committed to getting better and not leaving pussy on the table.

Last night was my second date with a 40 year old American born Asian woman, divorced, no kids met on Tinder. She works as an ad exec for a medium sized company in OC California. I'm 43 years old.

First date: Last weekend, met for a quick Starbucks as my schedule was crazy and it was the only time we could meet. Date lasted for about an hour, good banter, little bit of flirting and I was the one to cut things short. Texted her a couple days later and we setup a date for happy hour yesterday (Weds).

Second Date: We both arrived at approximately the same time, I greeted her with a hug and we sat on the patio of a bar/restaurant. I had a beer and she had a wine. We shared a small plate and I sat directly next to her. Our banter and vibe were exactly like our coffee date where she was laughing and playfully slapping my arm at my wise ass comments. I was also touching her on the arm, the back and moving in and then away the whole time. Note: We still have not kissed as I am saving that for back at my place.

After about an hour and when our drinks were down I suggested we stop by my place for round two. She at first was hesitant and the following dialog ensued:

Me: "Hey, let's get out here and drop by my place and you can have one of my legendary dirty vodka martinis" (we had talked about this on our coffee date)
Her: "Ok...oh you mean NOW?"
Me: "Yeah, it's right on the way home, it will be fun"
Her: "Hmmm.....ok, but I have a condition"
Me: "Oooh, a condition. This I gotta hear"
Her: "Do you have anything else to munch on since I'll be drinking more?"
Me: "I'm sure we can find something..."

From there she followed me home and once inside I took off my shoes at the door and she asked if she should take her boots off too which I said yes to. She then asked to use the restroom and I put on Pandora on the TV.

After she came out of the bathroom I showed her my alcohol collection which seems to be a hit with everyone who comes over. I went to pull the Grey Goose out of the freezer and she goes "oooh you have Fireball, I love that!" I said, "yeah it's good but check THIS out" I had just purchased a bottle of JD Tennessee Fire and said we should try it together and we can see how it compares to Fireball. She liked that idea and I poured us both a large a amount and we went to the couch.

After a couple of minutes of sipping and chatting I pulled out my ipad where I showed her some photos from my portfolio.

NOTE: I'm a semi professional photographer and do a lot of landscape, sunset, architecture and urban style photography. I play up the artist vibe for all it's worth!

She began looking at my photos and I would give quick back stories on each. Like just about every other woman who checks out my photos she's really impressed and amazed asks....as if on cue "Did you really take those??"

After about 10 minutes of her looking at my photos (and me touching her the entire time) I wait for a high point where she's smiling and really feeling one of my photos and go for the kiss. She's a little surprised at first but kisses me back (with tongue). Her body language is a little stiff and I can feel she's still guarded so I hold off on going caveman. We continue to kiss and my hands and slowly roaming around her arms, shoulders, hips while my forearm is grazing her breasts. I move kissing her neck, collarbone and when I get to the top of her breasts she gently pushes me back and sits up in her seat. I start talking again and don't miss a beat. We chat for another five minutes and I repeat the process. During the second pass I'm able to rub her breast over her shirt but she still hasn't "let go" and was still stiff in her body language. She then says that it's starting to get late and she needs to go".

It's here where I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to act needy and beg her to stay but I don't want to act too indifferent. So I go for one last makeout and her hand is on my stomach so I move it to my crotch and her facial expression is something like "whoah" but she again pulls away with a "Uggghhhh!!" while laughing and then stands up and puts her boots on. Just my 10 cent psychoanalysis is that her ASD was too strong to overcome.

I walk her to her car and tell her to text me later which she does when she gets home thanking me for the fun night.

Sooo....here are my observations and what I may have done wrong. Feel free to add to this list!!

1. LMR or really resistance to anything but a kiss was due to her age and advanced anti slut defense. Looking back I have sealed the deal with every woman under 30 who came back to my place. Every. Single. One of them...

2. I begin making out and escalating too soon after we get back to my place and the drinks didn't have a chance to loosen her up yet. At the same time, I'm always insecure of waiting too long to make a move so I tend to jump into the cold pool early so to speak.

3. When we began making out I wasn't as physically aggressive as I could have been. I've been burned by cavemaning in the past and the phrase "Don't scare the cat!!" keeps running in my head while I'm kissing a woman on my couch.

4. I'm horrible at convincing them to stay when they've decided that they need to go "before things go too far..."

5. Some of you may say to ditch the first coffee date and go right for drinks. While I usually do the bar date model the above scenario has occurred on countless first dates that took place in a bar.

Honestly, what I just described above has happened to me countless times. But again, it's always with women well over 30 years old. Either the woman really gets into the makeout and gets turned on and we bang or they're guarded like this one and things stall out.
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Anyone and everyone please feel free to chime in but I'm really looking forward to hearing what B7, Travesty and Kaotic have to say. Help me guys!!

Main girl asked me if I planned on breaking up with her soon.

I said no.

She said her friend reactivated her Tinder profile and saw me on there and that I was active eight hours ago.

I didn't deny it, saying it had downloaded from iCloud and I clicked it to clear the 'new' icon off it (she actually told me how to do that before).

Should have said some suave shit like, 'Yeah, I was just seeing how much better you are than those sluts' or something. Oh well.

She'll be on guard, as will her friends. No Tinder for me for a while.

My good friend semi alpha/semi beta hit me up to chill

I think he redeemed himself with our conversations we had when we were drinking.

He loved the fact I was still banging out girls and having my main.

He said he enjoyed living through me, knowing I still have it, he just couldn't do it with a good conscience.

I told him that I'm emotionally invested in my main and the other girls I'm banging actually keep me sane.

I told him, "dude you knew how much of a little bitch I was in my old relationship, now how do you see me :

He said, "the complete opposite"

Exactly, he knows I did a complete 180.

I explained to him in more detail why I do what I do, he slowly came around and was fine with it.

In our last convo he wasn't so sure and was doubting what I was doing.

In the end the dude is a natural when it comes to women, he always had hot girls chasing him. So he gets why I'm doing what I'm doing.

It's funny, we both agreed that porn destroys a man's mind also, so does constantly cranking one out also.

I told him I got respect he's got a girl thats "wife" material (I personally don't think she's 100% wife material).

Eventually I'll stop banging on the side, but who knows man.

Game is a wonderful thing.


Also I saw post on FB with the words "trigger" "Warning" regarding a Madonna rape story.

It's infecting facebook, of course some dude jumped in as soon as i ridiculed the word, we went tit for tat, then lit him up in the end.

I fucking hate white knight manginas, I seriously wish I'd see a motherfucker in person.

They wouldn't say shit to you.

What are good snacks to have at your place for when bitches come over? Something they all love that doesn't go bad.

(03-13-2015 03:42 AM)redbeard Wrote:  What are good snacks to have at your place for when bitches come over? Something they all love that doesn't go bad.

Besides 6-inches of cockmeat sandwich, you can try kibble, semen, biscuits, cummybears, sourpatches, dark chocolate balls, white chocolate balls, and beef jerkers.

(03-13-2015 03:42 AM)redbeard Wrote:  What are good snacks to have at your place for when bitches come over? Something they all love that doesn't go bad.

Olives marinated in vodka.

Today I met an old plate. The usual bangs were incredible. After 4 months without seeing her and missing rawdogging her, I met her last week, only to get hit by "I don't want to have sex today" flat-out declaration. Strike one. Her second chance was today, so I met her after my Thai lessons.

She told me she wants to go see a movie at the theater before going to the "next place" I was intending to bring her to. Over texting, she seemed reclutant to sex, but I thought it was in the bag because during the last meeting, I told her that next time, I need sex.

Today I accept her plan, and pay for the movies. After the movie, I start walking outside with her, "accidentally" wandering near a good love motel near Victory Monument. As we approach, I told her, "that's the place!". I know this place for a while, and it's only 220 baht for 3 hours ($6, I will give the location by PM if anyone wants to know). The conversation goes as follow:

Me: "That's the place. Looks very cheap too."
Her: "Yeah... I don't really feel good today, maybe we should do it next time..."
Me: "Yes, we will do it next time. But today too."
Her: "I mean, today we should just walk, and next time, we will do it if I feel better."
Me: "When texting, you told me you were ready." (beta line, I admit)
Her: "I see... but I think next time is better."
Me: "You got a free movie from me, and you want to go away before I get what I want. That's not how it works with me. You receive, you give after." (I grab her by the waist and proceed to get the room)

Into the room, I get hit by some moderate LMR. I proceed as usual, and she doesn't let me rawdog her. I put condom and fuck her. It was pretty much like fucking a dead body. I discharge in under 5 minutes, and tell her I've got some work to do. I get in the first bus and head home. Total time in room: 20 minutes

Even if I got the bang, I see this as strike two and decided to ditch her. I hope she doesn't think that she can just promise me a bang, get her movie, and leave. And throwing LMR in a love motel room is pretty much the #1 thing you can do to make a man angry. Summum of insult. Next.

(03-13-2015 05:03 AM)Nightwing Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 03:42 AM)redbeard Wrote:  What are good snacks to have at your place for when bitches come over? Something they all love that doesn't go bad.

Besides 6-inches of cockmeat sandwich, you can try kibble, semen, biscuits, cummybears, sourpatches, dark chocolate balls, white chocolate balls, and beef jerkers.

Shit I don't even have any food/snacks for me, I just have my meal prep stuff, the only thing I offer at my house, is beer, water, or my dick.

I always meet girls late evenings so eating is out of the question unless it's appetizers at a bar, which rarely happens.

(03-13-2015 11:08 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  Into the room, I get hit by some moderate LMR. I proceed as usual, and she doesn't let me rawdog her. I put condom and fuck her. It was pretty much like fucking a dead body. I discharge in under 5 minutes, and tell her I've got some work to do. I get in the first bus and head home. Total time in room: 20 minutes

Even if I got the bang, I see this as strike two and decided to ditch her. I hope she doesn't think that she can just promise me a bang, get her movie, and leave. And throwing LMR in a love motel room is pretty much the #1 thing you can do to make a man angry. Summum of insult. Next.

See, even both your bodies realized this shit is over. Your dick even told you. She wants more than the sex, you knew it when she said she didn't want to have sex.

You don't reward her with a movie or take her out, you give her radio silence or next her immediately.

Don't ever waste this much time on old plates that give say shit like this, keep it fresh move onto new and greener pastures.

I nexted an old plate who gave GREAT head because I was over the sex, and she questioned if I had a girl. I next another one because she was becoming too needy.

Plates become one of two things:

They become emotionally attached and want more than just sex.

or

They go radio silent once they realize what the game is.

There IS on a rare occasion a girl who knows what she is and is fine with being just a fuck buddy.

This has happened twice with me, one was a long term plate, she'd talk about another guy she had feelings for, I never talked about other girls.

The other one is the head giving one, she was just having fun, she's young, and she's not one for relationships.

I think you're right, kaotic. Shortly after getting on the bus, I got this text:
"I feel like you just want sex with me." (no smileys)

I already have a girlfriend, I don't need another LTR. She is starting to realize what the game is.

Sweet young innocent chic (yes, they do exist, esp where I live) last night: "You move fast"

Then felt guilty about making out for hours (prob some acting, some sincere).

Funny thing is, I wasn't pushing too hard. She didn't party in college, doesn't drink much, had one bf forever, so with that innocence I'm fine going slow with her. But I realized one thing last night...while I was being sincere with her about stuff bc she was so sweet...I realized.......

Dayum I can't turn this game off. I'm not sure when I'm gaming vs being sincere anymore. At least until I know I have them in my orbit.

I miss my innocence. She made me miss my innocence.

(03-13-2015 12:09 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 05:03 AM)Nightwing Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 03:42 AM)redbeard Wrote:  What are good snacks to have at your place for when bitches come over? Something they all love that doesn't go bad.

Besides 6-inches of cockmeat sandwich, you can try kibble, semen, biscuits, cummybears, sourpatches, dark chocolate balls, white chocolate balls, and beef jerkers.

Shit I don't even have any food/snacks for me, I just have my meal prep stuff, the only thing I offer at my house, is beer, water, or my dick.

I always meet girls late evenings so eating is out of the question unless it's appetizers at a bar, which rarely happens.

Yeah, I'm on the same boat. Girls don't want to eat steak, eggs, or protein powder.

This guy inspired me:





I already have a wide collection of mixers and shit, since they don't expire. So I got some instant oatmeal...and natures valley bars. Maybe girls will think they're being healthy and they'll feel better about being sluts.

(03-12-2015 06:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Lighting is actually an inherent part of my bang strategy.

Yes!

Lighting is fucking huge in the seduction process!

Bad lighting can ruin the mood/vibe.. Good lighting can create a sexy mood/vibe!

I first learned this from a girl that works for hotels.

She taught me that this:



..Is better than this:



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Colors can also add to the vibe and sex appeal..

Look at the difference these pictures:



When I was younger, I used to like stars and stuff:



I like crazy stuff like this:


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Candles are awesome too.

I've seen people do some cool stuff with Christmas lights.

(03-12-2015 06:34 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  There is a science to this I just inherently know.

Heck yeah there is a science to it. I have seen and heard about studies that examine sexuality in this way.

I have been doing my own study and my conclusion is this -- Girls are more comfortable getting naked in dim light!

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Kaotic breaks it down beautifully here:

(03-12-2015 06:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  -It sets a cool and calm mood.
-It sets the sexual tension if it's low lit in your room.
-A girl who is possibly insecure with her body (basically any girl) will feel more comfortable with low lights.
-I noticed you both tend to focus on each other more if it's darker.
-Relaxes the strain on the eyes and also makes you a bit in sleep mode.

*****

(03-12-2015 05:16 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I feel like I'm back right where I started a year ago.

The only difference now is that I go on more dates, dates end more frequently with hot intense makeout, and my dates are way hotter than before.

More dates, more make outs, hotter girls!!!

Are you complaining or bragging?!?!?

You are getting better.. You need to remain patient and just keep going.

Great accomplishments take time. You can't start banging super models after only one year of practicing game.

To become great, we must work for years!

(Not only with "game", but, with everything in life! Great results require great effort, dedication, and commitment!)

Just Keep Going!

(03-12-2015 05:16 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  vacation.

Great idea!

Take a break!

Stop trying to force it.

I think this will help you feel better.

You need perspective, you need to understand that you are doing really well.

Go have some fun with something other than "game".

Your best sex is in your future.

Stay patient.

*****

(03-13-2015 03:42 AM)redbeard Wrote:  What are good snacks to have at your place for when bitches come over?

I like ice cream because it makes the "kiss close" easier for me. I often go for this kiss soon after we've had ice cream, frozen yogurt, gelato, cake, etc.

But, when I have a girl coming, I usually ask her what kind of snacks she likes after dinner. Obviously, I get those snacks

I've had success with chocolate and fruit like strawberries, pineapples, etc.

Quote:More dates, more make outs, hotter girls!!!

Are you complaining or bragging?!?!?

You are getting better.. You need to remain patient and just keep going.

Great accomplishments take time. You can't start banging super models after only one year of practicing game.

To become great, we must work for years!

(Not only with "game", but, with everything in life! Great results require great effort, dedication, and commitment!)

Just Keep Going!

Haha... thanks for the tough love Gio. Since taking the Redpill I'm very self-critical, and I try not to settle for false positives. I think it's RVF that taught me that the only close is fuck close. Kiss close and number close doesn't count.

I do take hotter girls on dates now and have hot makeout 50% of the time, but would that matter if I'm not banging? That's why I think I'm not making any progress...

While I do not expect to bang supermodel any time soon, I read up on here and people are getting laid left and right. Newbies and veterans. And I'm just here trying to get out of my dry spell ....

Quote:Great idea!

Take a break!

Stop trying to force it.

I think this will help you feel better.

You need perspective, you need to understand that you are doing really well.

Go have some fun with something other than "game".

Your best sex is in your future.

Stay patient.

Yeah, I think I need a break soon. Maybe it's a good thing to not having to think about closing girls every second of the day Give both myself and Time some time.

Quote:If so go back and see what you did that was different, if you don't see much of a difference, I think it's time to re-analyze your game.

Maybe vacations re energize you, maybe you're spending TOO much time with girls and not yourself.

@Kaotic: I keep a detailed journal, and I have photographic memories, especially when I fuck up. Thinking back, sometimes I fucked up because I pussied out (took a Georgian model to a date and did not kiss her; got some hot tourists opening me saying she loved my eyes and I couldn't do anything!!!!), sometimes because there's nothing I can do. And I've never had ANY luck doing zero date bangs. My logistics for dates are usually good though.

I'm still amazed that up until now I've only got 2 seconds dates, and one of those was with my ex. Despite the fact that most of my first dates go really well (girls laughing non stop and heavy makeout) I wonder if there's way too much of a player vibe to me?

I'll have a proper sit down going through my notes. Maybe it's time to stop doing and start thinking. And get my ass out of this city for a little vacation ASAP. There's something about big city that doesn't let your mind rest and refocus.

Quote:You know we're all here to help.

Yeah, and that's one thing that keeps me from going insane Don't even like to think what I would do without this forum. So thanks ya all!

(03-13-2015 03:21 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I think I'm not making any progress...

You are not experienced enough to evaluate your progress.

I am.

Trust me, you are getting close to a major breakthrough.

Keep going!

(03-13-2015 03:21 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I'm just here trying to get out of my dry spell

If you really need sex...

- get a hooker
- lower your standards
- target sluttier girls
- masturbate

If you really need game..

- keep approaching
- keep escalating
- keep kissing
- keep gaming

Sex is easy -- Game is hard!

(03-13-2015 03:21 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  RVF that taught me that the only close is fuck close. Kiss close and number close doesn't count.

You didn't learn that from me..

I do believe that getting numbers and kisses more efficiently and from better looking girls is a sign of progress.

I had to go thru years of numbers and kisses before I learned how to better "close".

The "fuck close" is often the last piece of game that we learn. It's is often the most subtle part of game.

I suspect that you need to do a better job at creating sexual environments and atmosphere. You say you are getting heavy make outs with girls but are these make outs in public or on your couch? This is a huge difference in the likelihood for sex with these two scenarios..

If you are not getting girls alone and indoors, then your dating strategy needs updating..

Keep fine tuning your system and strategy.

Quote:You are not experienced enough to evaluate your progress.

I am.

Trust me, you are getting close to a major breakthrough.

Keep going!

I feel completely humble and relieved now.

I remember asking my Sensei one day "while am I not making progress? It's been 3 years and I still feel like I know nothing"

She told me the same thing "It's not for you to judge your progress. It's my job. Just keep training and be patient"

Quote:Sex is easy -- Game is hard!

Yes exactly! Just like if I want a black belt, I could just go out and buy one. But if I need real skills, it's should require real effort and dedication.

Not to mention that I only go for the girls I considered cute 6.5-7.5 range. There was this girl in aikido, a 6 with slim figure but a meh face who is asking all her friends to set her up with me, but I turned her down. So I got no right to complain.

After all, if you spent 7 years learning to become who you are today, who am I to complain after 1 year?

Quote:I suspect that you need to do a better job at creating sexual environments and atmosphere. You say you are getting heavy make outs with girls but are these make outs in public or on your couch? This is a huge difference in the likelihood for sex with these two scenarios..

If you are not getting girls alone and indoors, then your dating strategy needs updating..

Of course you figured that out! I never thought about it. Most of the makeouts I have are in public, though I always isolate the girl. I thought making out in public is to screen if the girl is DTF, so you dont waste time bringing a girl not DTF home?

I did got one to my place and got heavy makeout, but bitch was more or less teasing me with crazy LMR and saying she doesn't have sex without love. Wasn't even that hot to be worth it so I kicked her out.

I still have a lot to learn, I shouldn't get frustrated yet.

Thanks a lot Gio, you make me feel much better now

Freaking entitled american women.

I picked up carryout to eat at this girls place, which I happily paid for, though while out she texts me to grab a bottle of her favorite wine. She gets upset when I ask her to pay me back for the bottle, and refuses to do so. Tells me I shouldn't 'ask someone out if I'm not willing to pay for things.'

Crazy, this was our third date and we hadn't even banged yet, and shes a feminist who believs in 'equality'.

I can't even fathom what dating this girl would be like, and she was maybe a 6.5.

(03-13-2015 11:27 PM)ordinaryleastsquared Wrote:  Freaking entitled american women.

I picked up carryout to eat at this girls place, which I happily paid for, though while out she texts me to grab a bottle of her favorite wine. She gets upset when I ask her to pay me back for the bottle, and refuses to do so. Tells me I shouldn't 'ask someone out if I'm not willing to pay for things.'

Crazy, this was our third date and we hadn't even banged yet, and shes a feminist who believs in 'equality'.

I can't even fathom what dating this girl would be like, and she was maybe a 6.5.

I think paying food for a girl on the third date when you still didn't bang her throws some provider vibe that you should avoid.

I have bolded the parts where I believe this girl should be dump material. With that kind of girl, if you can bang her, do it, but it seems like pump & dump material. IMO she's not worth more than that, especially since she's a 6.5.

(03-14-2015 12:25 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 11:27 PM)ordinaryleastsquared Wrote:  Freaking entitled american women.

I picked up carryout to eat at this girls place, which I happily paid for, though while out she texts me to grab a bottle of her favorite wine. She gets upset when I ask her to pay me back for the bottle, and refuses to do so. Tells me I shouldn't 'ask someone out if I'm not willing to pay for things.'

Crazy, this was our third date and we hadn't even banged yet, and shes a feminist who believs in 'equality'.

I can't even fathom what dating this girl would be like, and she was maybe a 6.5.

I think paying food for a girl on the third date when you still didn't bang her throws some provider vibe that you should avoid.

I have bolded the parts where I believe this girl should be dump material. With that kind of girl, if you can bang her, do it, but it seems like pump & dump material. IMO she's not worth more than that, especially since she's a 6.5.

Exactly, she's nexted. Thanks, without resources like RVF, I'm not sure how I'd survive the dating climate here in the good ole midwest.

I'd have played that differently.

I'd have bought alcohol, just not the type she wanted.

Rarely do girls drink with guys that they aren't gonna fuck.