(02-06-2015 10:06 AM)LouEvilSlugger Wrote:  I went out with some friends last week and a met a dude that interviewed with Tinder a while ago, he was exposed to the partial algorithm. Users are basically being scored on attractiveness, activity and pickiness. I'm a computer science student myself so from my understanding:

- The more you get swiped right by other users, the more users you get to see (and your profile gets pushed to the top). If only 5's swipe right on you, you will be shown mostly 5's and the ocassional 7, 8's and 9's might never see your profile on their feed.

- Active and picky users will be shown more profiles, I don't think there's a swipe limit per day or anything like that but if you swipe right on every user, the algo might detect it and push your profile down, if you send (or receive) messages and moments, your profile gets pushed to the top. If you use the app from various locations, it bumps your score up as well.

This is great information. Thank you.

Has anyone here got the self-discipline to only swipe right at genuine 8s?

I'll do this, this weekend.

(02-06-2015 12:04 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  Why would you ever use Tinder as a primary source of game in the first place?

Because it concentrates all the young single horny girls within a 10 mile radius that already think you're attractive into an app on your phone? What more could you ask for?

Tinder is the equivalent of walking into a club where you're the only man and all the girls there are skinny and they think you're hot and they are anxiously awaiting your approach.

To me that's a dream come true, but maybe I am missing something.

To me the question is....why wouldn't you use it as a main source of your game?

Unless you have something to prove, why would you work harder for the same results?

The pussy is there for the taking. Go and take it before someone else does.

Have we established where BlurredSevens is in the looks department?

He's making it sound way easier than my experience has been so far!

(02-06-2015 02:19 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  Because it concentrates all the young single horny girls within a 10 mile radius that already think you're attractive into an app on your phone? What more could you ask for?

Tinder is the equivalent of walking into a club where you're the only man and all the girls there are skinny and they think you're hot and they are anxiously awaiting your approach.

To me that's a dream come true, but maybe I am missing something.

To me the question is....why wouldn't you use it as a main source of your game?

Unless you have something to prove, why would you work harder for the same results?

The pussy is there for the taking. Go and take it before someone else does.

That would be true if every guy were attractive. An ugly guy has nothing to use as leverage on Tinder since there is a correlation between how attractive you are and the amount of matches you get.

How many of you guys complaining about tinder have hired a professional photographer to do your photos?

A photographer that has a background in lifestyle portraits or fashion, and that knows how to make any man look like he belongs in GQ? Not some college dropout, but a real professional?

I am guessing 0.

In my opinion, if you haven't made the effort to get professional photos taken of you to put on tinder, then you really have nothing to add to the conversation.

Photos are 99.9% of tinder, and if you're not bringing your A game and looking the absolute best that you can (with the help of a true professional) then you're wasting your time.

Competitive advantage, guys. Come on. Figure it out.

Sorry to be harsh, but that's the bottom line.

(02-06-2015 02:46 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  In my opinion, if you haven't made the effort to get professional photos taken of you to put on tinder, then you really have nothing to add to the conversation.

Who says they have to be done by a professional? Does going and getting a headshot done by a photographer really have that much of an impact on matches?

(02-06-2015 03:00 PM)tallandblonde Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 02:46 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  In my opinion, if you haven't made the effort to get professional photos taken of you to put on tinder, then you really have nothing to add to the conversation.

Who says they have to be done by a professional? Does going and getting a headshot done by a photographer really have that much of an impact on matches?

I think a lot of guys misinterpret what it means to get pro photos done. Headshots = lame.

Go pick up GQ or Esquire. You want to be dressed and styled like the men in there. A pro photographer knows how to do that, how to pick locations, how to make you look like a damn stud.

Next week I will start working on a separate thread breaking down how to get A+ photos, since I think many guys don't know where to begin, or what it even means to get professional photos taken. I think it will help if I break it all down.

You can probably go to a community college and ask a photography student to take some photos for you for cheap.

(02-06-2015 03:12 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  Next week I will start working on a separate thread breaking down how to get A+ photos, since I think many guys don't know where to begin, or what it even means to get professional photos taken. I think it will help if I break it all down.

I'd be interested in reading that thread.

(02-06-2015 03:12 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:00 PM)tallandblonde Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 02:46 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  In my opinion, if you haven't made the effort to get professional photos taken of you to put on tinder, then you really have nothing to add to the conversation.

Who says they have to be done by a professional? Does going and getting a headshot done by a photographer really have that much of an impact on matches?

I think a lot of guys misinterpret what it means to get pro photos done. Headshots = lame.

Go pick up GQ or Esquire. You want to be dressed and styled like the men in there. A pro photographer knows how to do that, how to pick locations, how to make you look like a damn stud.

Next week I will start working on a separate thread breaking down how to get A+ photos, since I think many guys don't know where to begin, or what it even means to get professional photos taken. I think it will help if I break it all down.

I went through an old friend for pro photos many months ago. He ripped me off, but I did get a couple decent ones I used for my online profile. What do you think is a good rate someone can command in a major city? And what credentials should one be looking for in a photographer? Is it affordable? How much time does one need from the photographer to get all the photos one needs to scan through to get the best four or five shots to use for your profile?

(02-06-2015 03:12 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:00 PM)tallandblonde Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 02:46 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  In my opinion, if you haven't made the effort to get professional photos taken of you to put on tinder, then you really have nothing to add to the conversation.

Who says they have to be done by a professional? Does going and getting a headshot done by a photographer really have that much of an impact on matches?

I think a lot of guys misinterpret what it means to get pro photos done. Headshots = lame.

Go pick up GQ or Esquire. You want to be dressed and styled like the men in there. A pro photographer knows how to do that, how to pick locations, how to make you look like a damn stud.

Next week I will start working on a separate thread breaking down how to get A+ photos, since I think many guys don't know where to begin, or what it even means to get professional photos taken. I think it will help if I break it all down.

I look forward to the thread. If a man is to match and meet 8s and over on Tinder where his value can be cut by 20% just by being there, he has to ensure that he has at least recovered this 20% by having the best photographs that he can muster.

With that in mind, it seems a good investment to ensure you present yourself the best way possible in front of very interesting backgrounds. My instinct would be to avoid studio backgrounds as they look lame and they remind me of family group pictures.

As for personal image, GQ man isn't for everyone. There are probably about five fashionable moulds that every man can fit into and leverage (sportsman, fashionable geek, rugged cowboy, GQ/ James Bond, preppy etc).

As for the point of diminishing returns, I'd say that hiring a wedding photographer on a half-day rate is overkill. An enthusiastic student who knows the basics but still lacks the experience to charge full day rates might be the best point to leverage from.

(02-06-2015 11:55 PM)slothpiece Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:12 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:00 PM)tallandblonde Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 02:46 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  In my opinion, if you haven't made the effort to get professional photos taken of you to put on tinder, then you really have nothing to add to the conversation.

Who says they have to be done by a professional? Does going and getting a headshot done by a photographer really have that much of an impact on matches?

I think a lot of guys misinterpret what it means to get pro photos done. Headshots = lame.

Go pick up GQ or Esquire. You want to be dressed and styled like the men in there. A pro photographer knows how to do that, how to pick locations, how to make you look like a damn stud.

Next week I will start working on a separate thread breaking down how to get A+ photos, since I think many guys don't know where to begin, or what it even means to get professional photos taken. I think it will help if I break it all down.

I went through an old friend for pro photos many months ago. He ripped me off, but I did get a couple decent ones I used for my online profile. What do you think is a good rate someone can command in a major city? And what credentials should one be looking for in a photographer? Is it affordable? How much time does one need from the photographer to get all the photos one needs to scan through to get the best four or five shots to use for your profile?

I'm looking through Gumtree which is the UK version of Craigslist. A day rate for a wedding photographer is about £500 per day. This is obviously a premium rate because they know they can increase their fees because a bridezilla is forcing someone else to pay.

Any way, photographers post examples of their portfolios online.

I am siding with either buying a good camera or hiring a student. After all, students who take club photographs and make average girls look like models to use as marketing bait on flyers to attract more men seem to know what they are doing.

Cliffs:
- Rooshlog got me into PUA 12 years ago, have since transitioned to 'red pill' thinking, do not identify as a 'PUA'
- Have discovered how the tinder queuing algorithm works and have been exploiting it for 3 or so months
- Am getting laid like a rockstar

First post, will start a new thread for intro post soon as there is ALOT I can add to this forum, but briefly it was 12 years ago that I came across a little blog called 'Rooshlog' and it was Roosh's original PUA blog. It was that very blog that sent me down the 'red pill' rabbit hole 12 years ago at the age of 18.

The reason for my post here is because I'm a major contributor to a big Tinder thread on another forum, where I go by another username. However about 3 months ago, I discovered how the Tinder queueing algorithm worked and have been exploiting it ever since. I developed a bot (I'm a tech entrepreneur/programmer/businessman etc.) that pushes you to the front of all girls swipe queues, a huge competitive advantage over every other guy on there and delivering me 100's of matches a day.

Not only that, but I have started running the bot (which I run on my cloud servers) for other guys. First for free, then paid. So basically there are guys utilising my tech to push their profiles in front of every other guys in alot of major cities around the world.

I thought I'd kick things off here, although I'm mindful of the rules of the forum and don't want to break them. I'm a big fan of Roosh and ROK. This is NOT a commercial venture. I'd be happy to run the bot for some high valued contributors for free so you can see the results first hand.

I can also provide some information here regarding the algorithm, although obviously, releasing the details of how the tinder algorithm works to the world would basically ruin the competitive advantage that knowing it creates, So I've had to be careful what information I give away publicly.

When I travel, it's as a tourist and not for sex. This is for reasons that will become evident once I have the time to post up a full intro post. However I have spoofed using the bot and with it, I could basically have an attractive chick who is DTF to my hotel every night of the week in any big city where tinder usage is common. I tested this multiple times and documented my spoofs on the other forum, including pulling chicks to hotel lobbies within hours (minutes even) of spoofing a new city.

The biggest problem with tinder is not necessarily your level of physical attractiveness (if your at least average or better and have great pics), but the fact that most girls who are interested in your look will never even see your profile due to all the other male competition and the huge disparity between male/female swipe ratios. My knowledge of the algorithm ensures that EVERY woman in the area sees you.

I know many of you will be skeptical of this post, and that's fair enough. Many on the other forum were too. Which is why I'm happy to demonstrate it for forum members and back it all up with my knowledge/information.

I can also repost some of my many bang reports from the other forum here, as well as info re. the algorithm, and/or provide links to those posts (if it's not against forum rules?). Anyway guys let me know, I'm sure many of you will have questions.

It's great to be here, and I look forward to contributing.

PLEASE NOTE: I will not be accepting any money or offers of money for services or information from any forum members at this stage. I am not here to advertise. I want to start this off the RIGHT way, and don't want to be seen as someone advertising a product or service which I am not. This is not a marketing exercise even though some of this post probably reads like marketing spiel (I can't help sounding like that sometimes, I am a tech entrepreneur/businessman afterall).

Not quite sure what you're hoping to achieve, man.

On the one hand, you've discovered a "holy grail" of pussy and a way to fast-track hotties to your bed. But for very understandable reasons, you're not willing to share that information publicly. So I don't really understand the purpose of your post except as a massive cock-tease.

Maybe you could offer somes clues/hints for how the forum users here, who are spread out of many cities globally, could improve their chances based on your knowledge of the algorithm? You don't have to spill all the beans, but as of now I am not quite sure what value you're creating for us. No offense.

Think of this place as a classic university. Information and ideas are shared freely for the common benefit of mankind.

Just redownloaded it in London and where did this sea of fatties come from either that or ugly chicks in group photos.
It's got to the point where I just swipe left on group photos now because it's rediculous. Is this some new sort of ugly chick tech?
Shout outs to auto tinder likers not doing the job anymore and having to actually swipe through the sea of 4's and sifs.

(02-07-2015 09:15 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  Not quite sure what you're hoping to achieve, man.

On the one hand, you've discovered a "holy grail" of pussy and a way to fast-track hotties to your bed. But for very understandable reasons, you're not willing to share that information publicly. So I don't really understand the purpose of your post except as a massive cock-tease.

Maybe you could offer somes clues/hints for how the forum users here, who are spread out of many cities globally, could improve their chances based on your knowledge of the algorithm? You don't have to spill all the beans, but as of now I am not quite sure what value you're creating for us. No offense.

Think of this place as a classic university. Information and ideas are shared freely for the common benefit of mankind.

I'm happy to offer the information here that I have already offered in other forums elsewhere. I'll repost that shortly, I just have to edit some stuff out to fall in line with forum rules. It will optimise your swiping.

When I discovered the algorithm I had 3 options:
1. keep it to myself, exploit it and enjoy it until they changed the algorithm on their end, I strongly considered this
2. offer it to the world for free, this would silly though obviously, and it wouldn't take long before tinder closed the flaw making the information ineffective if everyone was doing it
3. Share some of the algorithm info with the public, enough to optimise your swiping, offer use of the bot to others (high valued forum contributors) for free as a service, then when demand became high start charging a token amount.

I went with 3. The token amount I was accepting isn't much in the scheme of things, but it helps support my tinder hobby, and I'm a strong believer in self financially supporting hobbies. My tinder hobby is alot more expensive than most (in short, I'm married so have to use hotels usually for bangs), so it was good that my hobby wasn't taking away from my earnings elsewhere.

It's gotten to the stage now though where people who have used it are starting to throw money at me, offer more etc. (because I only have the capacity to support a few users at any one time, although I can grow this somewhat.)

What I can offer at this stage is to run hook the bot up to some of the high valued/well known forum contributors tinder accounts (for free of course), and then go from there.

What I'm thinking at this stage is rather than run this thing as a full blown online business I'd prefer to build up a small, exclusive (because if too many people use it tinder will stop it) client base, until such a time that the tinder algorithm changes and it no longer works. It would ideally suit well off guys that move or travel from city to city a fair bit, and wouldn't mind paying for such a service. I don't see any other way to manage/run it that wouldn't just be shooting myself in the foot.

What I can, and will, offer this forum publicly and for free is the following:
- Details on the tinder algorithm that you can utilise through swiping using the official tinder client
- My full tinder/online match to lay formula (including convo's, scripts, game plan etc.)
- Examples of the above ie. bang reports
- A whole heap of stuff on female psychology, which is nothing new for red pill/manosphere sites obviously BUT, I'm in a unique situation you don't see very often in the manosphere (being married, more on that later), but have also dated/been in relationships with an 'interesting' assortment of women, that has given me an insight into female psychology and hypergamy that very few have.

Hopefully I can provide enough value here outside of just the aforementioned bot. I just need some time to put this stuff together, this is just a hobby for me, I have a company and job etc. that has to take priority.

This all still sounds like a marketing pitch... but again, at this stage I'm not selling anything. My first post was just to let you all know where I'm coming from when I start posting the above. Because in my previous experience, as soon as I start posting about 100+ matches a day and fast tracking chicks to my hotel room, the questions, and my PM inbox, fills up pretty quick.

So if I can clear up a few things first. It saves me alot of time responding to questions and accusations of lying, frauding etc.

Make sense?

Well the Wolf of George Street, it does seem that you are marketing through cock-teasing as many of us have experienced through the PUA 'industry' and 'community'. I never really thought a community that sold 20-DVD box-sets for $300+ was much of a community anyway but I digress

If you are here for altruistic reasons then welcome.

(02-07-2015 11:17 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Well the Wolf of George Street, it does seem that you are marketing through cock-teasing as many of us have experienced through the PUA 'industry' and 'community'.

What am I selling? At this stage, nothing.

But if some of the high post count, high rep, highly trusted members here who use tinder want to see first hand what I'm capable of. Let's do it. I'll hook up the bot to your accounts FOR FREE and you can report back.

Let's kick this off. The matches will FLOOD in, I guarantee it.

I think this seems to be a good line to experiment with:

'me messaging you may or may not be me trying to have sex with you. i also might be undecided'

(02-03-2015 04:20 PM)Vice Wrote:  Check this link out:
http://tinderrage.blogspot.ca/

Such is life :/

Some of the openers and lines they're using are hilarious.

Although I have a feeling some of them are doing a Speakeasy type of experiment by using a fake profile.

Been googling "tinder algorithms" and checking out various articles, trying to see if I can gather some common ideas. Most articles say that deleting your account and starting over to try and trick the system doesn't work. Once you've used your Facebook account and your device once, it knows. You're locked in no matter what you do. As much as I'd like to tell myself that's not true because I've deleted my profile at least 50-60 times, it does make sense that the first day I make a new account, I get about 3 matches in an hour, then I dry up for the next few days. I guess once it recognizes me, it freezes me out or something. It doesn't make sense that I get 3-4 matches my first hour, and then nothing after. I should be getting 2-4 matches every hour on average if the algorithm was fair and working the way it should.

One site mentioned what I really believe is the problem for a lot of men - their profile is not being seen by most women. There's just too many thirsty dudes swiping right on everybody and flooding the market. Your profile probably isn't seen by a good chunk of women.

To prove or dispel this hypothesis, I kind of want to upload pictures of a male model to my existing Facebook, (make the photos private so I don't look weird), and see if this same account of mine that gets 3 matches in an hour and then goes cold is account based or picture based. If I start getting a match for every 4th or 5th girl I swipe, I'll know it's bullshit, and the only algorithm you'll have to worry about is having good pictures. If there's little to no change, maybe there is a deeper algorithm at work.

(02-06-2015 12:01 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  I'm still 50/50 on tinder. It can be a HUGE time sink if you're not careful. I personally have to put my phone away so I can focus on work and other stuff.

I do have a date coming up (out of 60+ swipes and 7-8 matches), but really I'm starting to think that tinder should only be supplementary to your overall game. Kind of like taking vitamin C along with your meat and potatoes meal. The more time I spend on tinder, the more I don't like it as a primary source of game.

That is pretty much the ethos that most, if not all Game experts(eg: Roosh, Good Looking Loser, Krauser, etc..) put across. Online is good, but nothing surpasses daygame/nightgame/actually approaching women face-to-face.

Sure, you'll get a lot of rejections, but they only make you stronger and more experienced. And the confidence you can develop can carry over to online gaming.

(02-07-2015 02:30 PM)Mister X Wrote:  Been googling "tinder algorithms" and checking out various articles, trying to see if I can gather some common ideas. Most articles say that deleting your account and starting over to try and trick the system doesn't work. Once you've used your Facebook account and your device once, it knows. You're locked in no matter what you do. As much as I'd like to tell myself that's not true because I've deleted my profile at least 50-60 times, it does make sense that the first day I make a new account, I get about 3 matches in an hour, then I dry up for the next few days. I guess once it recognizes me, it freezes me out or something. It doesn't make sense that I get 3-4 matches my first hour, and then nothing after. I should be getting 2-4 matches every hour on average if the algorithm was fair and working the way it should.

One site mentioned what I really believe is the problem for a lot of men - their profile is not being seen by most women. There's just too many thirsty dudes swiping right on everybody and flooding the market. Your profile probably isn't seen by a good chunk of women.

To prove or dispel this hypothesis, I kind of want to upload pictures of a male model to my existing Facebook, (make the photos private so I don't look weird), and see if this same account of mine that gets 3 matches in an hour and then goes cold is account based or picture based. If I start getting a match for every 4th or 5th girl I swipe, I'll know it's bullshit, and the only algorithm you'll have to worry about is having good pictures. If there's little to no change, maybe there is a deeper algorithm at work.

You could make a fake fb profile, using a spare email. Apparently they require phone validation now, so perhaps get hold of a very cheap sim card for that purpose.

If you do, report back with your findings.

(02-06-2015 02:46 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  How many of you guys complaining about tinder have hired a professional photographer to do your photos?

A photographer that has a background in lifestyle portraits or fashion, and that knows how to make any man look like he belongs in GQ? Not some college dropout, but a real professional?

I am guessing 0.

In my opinion, if you haven't made the effort to get professional photos taken of you to put on tinder, then you really have nothing to add to the conversation.

Photos are 99.9% of tinder, and if you're not bringing your A game and looking the absolute best that you can (with the help of a true professional) then you're wasting your time.

Competitive advantage, guys. Come on. Figure it out.

Sorry to be harsh, but that's the bottom line.

I dont think using "professional photos" really matters. All my pics are taken with an iphone 5 and 4 of the 5 are selfies. It matters that ur good looking. Professional photos wont help a 5/10 male look more attractive - and tinder is all about looks. If im swiping and i see a hot 9/10 whos cleary using a cell phone for selfies i wouldnt give a fuck, but if i see a 5/10 using GQ like photos ill swipe left faster then i can grab my own dick. Now if ur good looking then professional photos might help, but they dont rly matter tbh.

Anyways i havnt rly posted on here before about any of my tinder incounters but two from last week...

Monday:

Chilled with Jessica. Chick came over after work. Watched a movie and made my move in about 30 mins. Pretty much did everything but she didnt ****. Didnt want to get her "kill count" up she said. Tho she then said she only ****ed 6 guys. She was literally laying doggy thrusting her ass back n forth and i was slapping my dick off her ass cheeks. l I didnt rly try for the bang too much, as i was satisfied with her abilities of going down on me. Long story short she thanked me for having her over and i threw her in an uber to get home.

Oh yeah, and she was cool with me taking a selfie next to her ass (which was definatly big). She was also pretty thin so good times.



Wednesday:

Chilled with Amanda this time. Chick took an uber to my house and when i saw her was like "damn shes cute". Anyways proceeded to watch a movie again lol within like 10 mins she tells me she has to leave in like an hour n a half to go to a dinner. im like fuck i gotta move quick. Within 20 mins were making out, she mumbles something about not hooking up. Anyways we get rly into it and 30 mins later shes pretty much naked n shit. I ask her to bang since she wont give me head and shes like okay. As im about to put it in her doggy she says "i swear this is my last hookup" LMAO i had to get my condoms tho, by the time i was back i was soft. finally got hard again and went to pound town for about 2-3 mins. was feeling lazy so told her to get on top. bad move as my dick deflated. she had to leave in like 5 mins so we just said wed finish "next time".

No pic of this girl but shes rly cute like strong 8/10 fit body. her ass was amazing. one of those ass' u just smack and they jiggle for a couple seconds. When u grab it theres so much meat u cant feel any bone even tho shes skinny as fuck. We were suppose to chill again but sadly i could tell shed flake with how she was texting and she did. It's all good, when u bang chicks off tinder first meet the chances u see them again are slim.

(02-06-2015 02:19 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 12:04 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  Why would you ever use Tinder as a primary source of game in the first place?

Because it concentrates all the young single horny girls within a 10 mile radius that already think you're attractive into an app on your phone? What more could you ask for?

Tinder is the equivalent of walking into a club where you're the only man and all the girls there are skinny and they think you're hot and they are anxiously awaiting your approach.

To me that's a dream come true, but maybe I am missing something.

To me the question is....why wouldn't you use it as a main source of your game?

Unless you have something to prove, why would you work harder for the same results?

The pussy is there for the taking. Go and take it before someone else does.

I do agree with everything u said here, its winter and cold as fuck. Tinder is my main source of game right now and theres nothing better then putting in little effort and having a chick come straight over. Only problem is the competition with guys. Tons of people have tinder now so there's tons of guys going after the same girl.