Pretty damn efficient Kick. Get in, get out.

(02-03-2015 07:20 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 04:51 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 04:20 PM)Vice Wrote:  Check this link out:
http://tinderrage.blogspot.ca/

Such is life :/

What did you expect ?

Tinder is the shallowest of apps.

Rule #1: Don't be ugly.
Rule #2: Be attractive.

If you've got good looking game, tinder is a god send.

It is what it is.

While I do agree that "it is what it is," something still needs to be done to combat this shit.

Look how feminists/women in general have shamed men into believing they are shallow pig fucks if they don't accept every single body type/age/personality flaw a woman has.

Anyway...Tinder has a new IOS update, and I have not had 1 single human match since the update that apparently fixed the bugs. Fuck this app. Can someone please come up with a rival app already? Tired of dealing with this one.

Did you see the one where the woman asked for the man's height in return for the number. He gave it then asked her weight and dress size only to be accused of being shallow? Classic.

I am wary of downloading the update.

(02-04-2015 12:35 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Did you see the one where the woman asked for the man's height in return for the number. He gave it then asked her weight and dress size only to be accused of being shallow? Classic.

I am wary of downloading the update.

Haha yeah I saw that. That's the rationale. Not just with height, with everything. Men need to do men stuff and be masculine, but suggest a woman do feminine stuff like being a stay at home mom or cooking/cleaning you are a sexist pig fuck!

Well, I deleted my profile a half hour ago and made a new one. We'll see how it goes.

Off to a bad start when it's version 4.1.2 and when you update it, it tells you to update to their new version... 4.1.1

No 6, yeah, and this one:

Right before this shot:
"I'm not interested in a hookup, had 3 years of that"



Dollars to donuts this dude's into game. All the Eliot Rodger references? Hypergamous? Shit... probably a member on here.

^^^^
Reminds me of "Youngblood" style texting.

Eyeopening and reinforces AAS (always assume the sale).

(02-04-2015 09:50 AM)Mentavious Wrote:  http://deadspin.com/tinder-girls-icebrea...socialflow

Comments on that article are fucking winning.

"Tens of thousands of Boston-area men offering her cunnilingus right now."

"Looks like he's out cold. Did she even think to put him through concussion protocol?"

Wow the last 2 pages of this thread is crazy! I'm going on a trip for work next week, and fuck it I'll go the balls to the wall with legs wrapped around me style and see what happens. Hotel + guy in town only few days + anonymity + ballsy game...

That agro text game really messed w/ my head.
Makes me feel like I've been missing the point on Tinder or something.

That texting style also reminds me of SpeakEasy's experiment which used a similar style and also was effective.

(02-04-2015 04:44 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  That agro text game really messed w/ my head.
Makes me feel like I've been missing the point on Tinder or something.

That texting style also reminds me of SpeakEasy's experiment which used a similar style and also was effective.

Yeah, I think that blog missed the point. The point is, she opened YOU by selecting you to be allowed to talk to her. Yeah, the good looking guys all get selected. Some of the guys pics he used I didn't think were all that stunning anyway.

So you matched. She's already attracted at some level. You're on a hookup app. Even if she says she's not looking for a hookup, fuck that. Is she expecting her future herby provider / father of her kids to show up on Tinder? "Oh yeah, mom I met Mr. Right on Tinder! He says the sweetest things and made me breakfast in bed and says he loves changing diapers! Can't wait to pick out the dress!"

Why waste energy trying to pussyfoot around the bullshit she says to rationalize her behavior? Women say this shit over and over: they don't want a hookup, they want a guy who knows what he wants, they want a guy with confidence. So be that guy.

(02-02-2015 05:16 PM)bigbait Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 04:39 PM)Stun Wrote:  ^ that's a good answer, anything that doesn't come across as defensive or trying to explain yourself. Disqualification and humor, always good.

I think the response is good but depending on the situation it could be better. When girls ask this question they are almost always saying "I am tired of guys that just want to fuck me":

Your choices are:
1) Unmatch her because she just screened herself out as being DTF.
2) Be honest and tell her you just want to fuck - and get unmatched.
3) Lie and pretend to want more than to fuck - and condemn yourself to a date from hell.
4) Use humor and pass GO - the more light hearted the response the better, however the problem is that when you use humor you essentially avoid the question and may find yourself playing Whack A Mole. If you don't give a real answer the question will just pop back up. Using humor you are essentially avoiding and dismissing the question which to a certain extent belittles the question. In my experience, if and when the girl reraises the question it will be with more importance and attention as a result of my avoidance. That is why I often use the next option over text/tinder.
4) Disqualify without humor. Take a zen perspective and focus on the now. I would say "I just want to get a drink".

So he has to ask himself what his priorities are.

Do you want the skill or do you want the girl?

Personally, I want the skill. And as such you have to take the opportunities to blow yourself out. You want to be as much of a social scientist as possible to learn things that work and things that dont.

For example, I have been unbelievably harsh to girls who might have hooked had I been nicer, as a test to see how harsh I can get and get away with.

So I would try all of the above with 5 different girls, and see what I learned from it. (Well, not item 3)

If you want the girl and not the skill, you may take a more guarded approach. Whatever you do, just don't answer her literally or steer the conversation more in that direction.

(02-04-2015 04:44 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  That agro text game really messed w/ my head.
Makes me feel like I've been missing the point on Tinder or something.

That texting style also reminds me of SpeakEasy's experiment which used a similar style and also was effective.

Meh, I've seen and experimented with this "high energy" and agro style of online game before, but it's all for show.

I've never, ever, ever fucked a girl off Tinder, OKC, etc., that started off as a hyper-sexualized conversation.

The girls give their numbers in these scenarios because it's an immediate high and it gets them excited. But when you start out high, you don't give yourself anywhere to go. And when you have nowhere to go, there is no way to keep the energy flowing.

Within 2 hours she's forgotten about you because EVERY guy goes sexual online, so what value do you offer besides having a dick?

Look, we all know girls love to fuck. But they don't want to feel like they're sluts. That's the key difference, and that's where most guys fuck it up. You might pull a lot of #'s with a high-energy highly-sexual schtick online, but how many of those girls are converting to bangs?

You can't skip the basics. There is nuance to this shit.

Be a player and play the game. Be congruent. Know your character and your style and play to your own personal advantages - don't waste your time looking for a magic bullet.

(01-31-2015 09:41 PM)Stun Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 10:57 AM)The Wire Wrote:  How do you guys handle when a girl messages you with the "most guys on Tinder are just looking for a hookup". I'm trying to think of a good way to frame that back.

How did you end up talking about other guys? If she moved the conversation in that direction I would just agree and amplify or make some comment. If you brought up the other guys, stop doing that.

I didn't bring it up. I mention to her that I just joined Tinder then she said "most guys on Tinder are just looking for a hookup

(02-04-2015 10:14 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  I've never, ever, ever fucked a girl off Tinder, OKC, etc., that started off as a hyper-sexualized conversation.

The girls give their numbers in these scenarios because it's an immediate high and it gets them excited. But when you start out high, you don't give yourself anywhere to go. And when you have nowhere to go, there is no way to keep the energy flowing.

Within 2 hours she's forgotten about you because EVERY guy goes sexual online, so what value do you offer besides having a dick?

This is so true. I've gotten bangs from getting numbers fast (most recent one I actually got her number after 5 messages between the two of us), but it hasn't been through especially aggressive or sexual openers.

Just this past week, I experimented with the emoji opener posted a few pages back, and I actually got a really good response rate and even 4 numbers (out of maybe 10 messages, which is a pretty high % for me). However, none of these numbers have panned out in meet ups. I can't just keep being a clown forever, and unless a girl is a grade A slut, she's probably not going to drive right over to my place because I used a few funny emojis. Eventually the conversation just dies out; since I started off in such a sexual/funny way, its an emotional let down for her that I can't keep it going for hours. I still want to try it for a bit longer but I'm glad to see somebody else has had a similar experience.

Since when did Tinder introduce a limit to the number of "likes"you can make in a 24 hour period!?

(02-05-2015 06:43 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Since when did Tinder introduce a limit to the number of "likes"you can make in a 24 hour period!?

They are doing all they can to cockblock. Likely to mess around with auto like apps.

I keep blaring the alarms on this app. Men won't listen until it's to late and the damage is done. In Toronto woman won't even go out anymore, they also won't give out thier numbers even if they like you. To many losers fucked it up, you lush your hand to heavy .. Your done. So your forced to bite your lip and keep the interaction going until that next golden time you work it up to get the number. In Toronto where we have the WORST women anywhere thus app has turned into a joke. It used to be good when it was new and fresh but now its a ceaspool.

This app scratches any itch women have and they can delete and come back as much as they want. For men they have to be monkeys and jump through a million hoops all in which the girl controls the interractiin the whole way, the whole time, and there isn't anything a man can do about it.

So now as more and more men become dependent on Tinder they keep on introducing cockblocks to keep women happy, to keep them using it, and thus keep men thirsty and desperate. Oh and they want men to pay with the upcoming 'Tinder +' also. So how much better do men think it is going to get? It won't.

(01-28-2015 06:03 PM)bigbait Wrote:  Ummm.... to state the obvious in many parts of the world a lot of girls have a "i will not go directly to the house of a man i have never met in real life because he might kill me" rule. In my experience this is usually something that no amount of comfort building over text or the phone will fix.

I just refer to it right after I invite them.
"And don't worry, I won't kill you. I put all the axes and murder knifes in the cellar next to my other torture tools."
or something similar. Works quite well. Also, I don't live in NY at all, not even in a big city - all my dates have to drive 25-40 minutes to see me.

(02-03-2015 08:21 PM)Mister X Wrote:  -I've heard not so good things about the quality of women on there, particularly after the recent boom of the aforementioned app

-I'm 5'7. At least on Tinder I can choose to omit that to prevent immediate screening. If you leave that blank on one of those sites, or anything blank for that matter - income, smoking/drinking, any other element by which you can and will be judged on - she's gonna think something's up. At least Tinder, I make a one line profile, and there's nothing for her to rule me out on besides my pictures.

1) make a profile, you never know. Often times every region has at least some chicks that are bangable. I said this before in the OKC thread, but I only screen new girls. Very often girls make a profile, and quit again after 1-2 weeks. It's those girls you often need.
2) nah, just put the most ridiculous things there (earn more than a million, job: space academy, height: 10').

(02-05-2015 06:59 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 06:43 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Since when did Tinder introduce a limit to the number of "likes"you can make in a 24 hour period!?

They are doing all they can to cockblock. Likely to mess around with auto like apps.

I keep blaring the alarms on this app. Men won't listen until it's to late and the damage is done. In Toronto woman won't even go out anymore, they also won't give out thier numbers even if they like you. To many losers fucked it up, you lush your hand to heavy .. Your done. So your forced to bite your lip and keep the interaction going until that next golden time you work it up to get the number. In Toronto where we have the WORST women anywhere thus app has turned into a joke. It used to be good when it was new and fresh but now its a ceaspool.

This app scratches any itch women have and they can delete and come back as much as they want. For men they have to be monkeys and jump through a million hoops all in which the girl controls the interractiin the whole way, the whole time, and there isn't anything a man can do about it.

So now as more and more men become dependent on Tinder they keep on introducing cockblocks to keep women happy, to keep them using it, and thus keep men thirsty and desperate. Oh and they want men to pay with the upcoming 'Tinder +' also. So how much better do men think it is going to get? It won't.

Kosko, so do you personally opt out on this ?

And is that what you'd like to see? Guys opt out en masse?

When did the like limit begin?

(02-05-2015 11:56 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 06:59 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 06:43 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Since when did Tinder introduce a limit to the number of "likes"you can make in a 24 hour period!?

They are doing all they can to cockblock. Likely to mess around with auto like apps.

I keep blaring the alarms on this app. Men won't listen until it's to late and the damage is done. In Toronto woman won't even go out anymore, they also won't give out thier numbers even if they like you. To many losers fucked it up, you lush your hand to heavy .. Your done. So your forced to bite your lip and keep the interaction going until that next golden time you work it up to get the number. In Toronto where we have the WORST women anywhere thus app has turned into a joke. It used to be good when it was new and fresh but now its a ceaspool.

This app scratches any itch women have and they can delete and come back as much as they want. For men they have to be monkeys and jump through a million hoops all in which the girl controls the interractiin the whole way, the whole time, and there isn't anything a man can do about it.

So now as more and more men become dependent on Tinder they keep on introducing cockblocks to keep women happy, to keep them using it, and thus keep men thirsty and desperate. Oh and they want men to pay with the upcoming 'Tinder +' also. So how much better do men think it is going to get? It won't.

Kosko, so do you personally opt out on this ?

And is that what you'd like to see? Guys opt out en masse?

Yes. Dudes need to understand women won't stop tbjer games until dudes stop giving them a pass to run them. If good men drop Tinder for its BS and games women will just be left with a ceasepit of losers to commune with. They will drop it quickly once the tingles and fun/games stop to them. All women are trying to do now is corner the dating market into a corner of apps and services like Tinder or "The League" all just hamster and validation machines which are more games and work then pursing a girl in the street.

All the BS you have to do to get noticed on Tinder, foes not really apply as much in real life. You don't have to look perfect or project being perfect, you just have to make her think you are which is way easier to do then to attempt to craft that persona before the fact so that SHE CHOOSES you. When did they get all that power?

It can't end well with mating and the male persuit of sex being reduced to a handheld game. I knew Tinder was DOA the moment I learned it was molded after the homo hook up app Blendr. See bow gays can treat thier interactions as a game, they have nothing on the line, only want sex, both sides understand that mutually and hense why the all can esxit in such is bare and strait forward fashion. But the same can't exsist for strait male and females because it eventually will swing to much power to women who left to control the dating market cause a bunch of activity, but yet no movement (the hamster wheel in essence). Look at all this volume and usage on Tinder her people are barely fucking. I've had the best success on Tinder over all among many of the dudes I know and I have not had a sniff on the thing in a while. Homie: "Yo she gave me her number"... Me: "Try and meet up with her now, a number does not mean shit. The hard part is now meeting in person"

Even for me who isn't down with online dating unless under certain situations will admit that the old ways of OKC were better because it kept women in check (barely) they had to do the tedious work of sifting through messages. They couldn't avoid it, and had to do it, to dig and find quality of thier choosing. With Tinder thier effort craters as she already has a filterd list that takes half the time. A woman may only swipe through 1000 dudes in her Tinder career and sift through 50-100 matches if that. A dude can go through 10,000+ and maybe get 150. Out of those 150 matches 5-10 maybe may lead to a bang. Its terrible numbers but dudes hide behind those stats because of the "ease", but its all a trap. Getting sex was never supposed to be "easy", but with game it does not make it tedious as it makes things more streamlined.

Basically to sum it up. The more effort I put into game a d approaching girls in real life the more sex I get. But this does not hold true on Tinder. The more "effort" you put forward on Tinder does not equal more sex. It is a flawed system with the added danger of a computer algorithm working against you to cockblock. I don't have that in real life. The quicker men realize this the better.

This is me blaring how smart phones would turn people into zombies. I knew this only because I had a cell phone as far back as 1999. As a kid I was the only one with one, I knew how they worked and learned the value of them. When obones quickly evolved with tech you could see the drawbacks very easily. The end game was to easy tonsoot if you knew about it.

If somebody wants to make the case that Tinder will improve men's lives and get then more bangs going goreard I am open to the discussion.

How big is this new limit?

All else equal I think it will improve the quality of matches, because you'll have less substitutes for a given match, therefore you'll be more likely to invest in each individual match - for both sexes.

I went out with some friends last week and a met a dude that interviewed with Tinder a while ago, he was exposed to the partial algorithm. Users are basically being scored on attractiveness, activity and pickiness. I'm a computer science student myself so from my understanding:

- The more you get swiped right by other users, the more users you get to see (and your profile gets pushed to the top). If only 5's swipe right on you, you will be shown mostly 5's and the ocassional 7, 8's and 9's might never see your profile on their feed.

- Active and picky users will be shown more profiles, I don't think there's a swipe limit per day or anything like that but if you swipe right on every user, the algo might detect it and push your profile down, if you send (or receive) messages and moments, your profile gets pushed to the top. If you use the app from various locations, it bumps your score up as well.

(02-06-2015 04:57 AM)kosko Wrote:  If somebody wants to make the case that Tinder will improve men's lives and get then more bangs going goreard I am open to the discussion.

Tinder is house money. Minimal investment on your part.

-Free app
-You need about 3 pictures and a profile of at least one sentence, sometimes not even that, depending how good your pictures are
-You swipe on girls whenever, wherever. You don't even need to leave your house to do so.

In return for that minimal effort, these are the only two outcomes:

-Bang (often from a girl who is comfortable with a fwb set up)
-No bang


You're not losing anything. I still maintain if you're single, and you have a penis, tinder should be on your phone. It shouldn't be the main source of your game, nothing but real life should be the main source of your game, but either way, it's house money. Any girls you get from there are girls you wouldn't have gotten otherwise. All you need is to hookup with 1 girl for it to pay dividends.

I'm still 50/50 on tinder. It can be a HUGE time sink if you're not careful. I personally have to put my phone away so I can focus on work and other stuff.

I do have a date coming up (out of 60+ swipes and 7-8 matches), but really I'm starting to think that tinder should only be supplementary to your overall game. Kind of like taking vitamin C along with your meat and potatoes meal. The more time I spend on tinder, the more I don't like it as a primary source of game.

Why would you ever use Tinder as a primary source of game in the first place?