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(09-07-2014 01:45 AM)Satoshi Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 09:42 PM)zanetti Wrote:  I have read through most of the 102 pages of this thread but couldn't find the answer to this.

Is there a website where you can post your pix and then get girls to rate them so you can see which ones are considered good or not?

You can do it on badoo, though you need to rate some girls yourself as well. You can connect with facebook, or make an account from scratch. Badoo is the old hot or not.

I've been using the photo rating feature on Badoo for a couple of days now and have noticed something interesting. To start off with, my photos (8 in total) were all rated by Japanese people (I'm white and live in Tokyo) and weren't doing well at all - the rating for my pix was between 3-6 with 7 out of 8 pix getting <5.5 and 5 out of 8 <5.

You can actually see who has voted for you so when I saw all the Japanese profiles that gave me the poor rating I became interested in finding out if my pix would do better if they were rated by another demographic.

So yesterday evening I decided to move my profile from Tokyo to London and I just checked and my ratings for the exact same pix is now between 5-7 with half of them >6!!

And from what I saw the overall mean/average across all profiles was about the same in Japan vs the UK/US ones I was asked to rate myself, i.e. it wasn't like ratings across profiles in the UK/US were higher on average compared to those in Japan.

I was expecting there to be some discrepancy but not to this extent. I checked and most of the people that voted for me were from the UK, Spain and USA.

Well I may have to eat my words. I deleted my account and restarted it (first time since I moved to SB). Used Tinderoid to auto swipe right all 1600 SB Tinder girls in a 20mi. radius.

Only 2 returned matches so far.

1 responded to hey, I ended up getting the number with humor. She's an American born very EE looking chick with some chest and arm ink. Looks like a double bagger. 26yo raven haired, blued eye high 6 low 7 depending on tastes.

Will report more in a few days when the matches roll in. Tinderoid auto-matcher is awesome can't believe I wasn't using this earlier. I should do this once every few months.

(09-08-2014 05:47 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Tinder is becoming more and more infested with stealth bot profiles and is going in downhill as far as quality.

I actually saw a girl profile saying "Looking for a boyfriend"

These are now also a constant in girls bios: "Not DTF" "NO HOOK UPS" "Just looking for friends" "Get to know me!"

The quality is 1 of 2. Ugly and/or Fatties OR Hotties looking for validation.

I'm seeing OKC and POF traits now.

The good thing is: You still only get matched with girls who like you.



I'm hardly getting any play with my suited up pic with a beer bottle to my mouth.

Time to experiment again.

I do agree with what you mentioned about girls bios, but my most recent Tinder bang was from a girl that wrong something along the lines of "Not here to hook up"

(09-08-2014 02:24 PM)Millz Wrote:  Hahaha my tinder openers document.. Thanks for this I actually lost the text file and came back here to see if anyone had it..
Fucking love you guys.

Saved in my dropbox forever

(EDIT::: woops... I posted this post and the two following posts, and then I saw that Dogsbreakfast had been banned (probably banned around the time that I was drafting my posts). I understand that generally it is NOT good practice to respond to a banned member and/or to seek his/her responses; however, after further reflection, I believe that in this case, it would be o.k. for me to keep the content of these below three posts: 1) to address some of the issues that Dogsbreakfast's posts had raised for the benefit of other guys who may read his posts, 2) some guys may agree that "hey" and ONLY "hey" is good as an opener and/or 3) some guys may conclude that some RVF guys are being too complicated with our exploration(s) of possible Tinder-related openers and strategies. None of these topics seem to be closed merely because Dogbreakfast was banned from RVF and s/he was likely trolling us in these thread posts).


Dogsbreakfast
I am going to address your several points in your two most recent posts, even though you really seemed to have striven to avoid addressing the specific questions that I put to you in my earlier post. Surely, my questions directed to you were NOT meant to be approaching the level of interrogations or anything like that, but you really seemed to have evaded and blown them off, as if they do NOT really matter.... and mostly my questions to you were to get you to specify regarding various assertions that you were making.... regarding your own experiences and the kinds of follow throughs you make, if any.

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)DogsBreakfast Wrote:  @Jay - Its what you say after your opener that counts. Coming up with some elaborate opener just comes off as desperate. She will know straight away you are a thirsty guy lol.

I do NOT disagree with the sentiment, in this statement to the extent that we need to sometimes consider the wordiness of our openings; however, your supposed employment of "hey" may NOT work with other guys without some further guidance or understanding when and under what circumstances it may be effective.

Don’t get me wrong. I do NOT deny that it may be effective under a variety of circumstances; however, it does NOT mean that other strategies that guys employ are silly or “desperate” or “thirsty.” I see no reason to denigrate these other kinds of efforts to the extent that you seem to have done.

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)DogsBreakfast Wrote:  A month ago I completely sucked at texting, then I read a bit on the bodybuilding forum, and although I realise now that a lot of the stuff they say is fake, there are a lot of good pointers in there and it got me started. First thing you have to do is start practicing and get as many matches as you can.

So are you suggesting that your "advice" to us is based on your month of knowledge that you obtained from the "bodybuilding forum?" In my thinking this is still pretty superficial guidance and seems to be based on surfing the internet rather than actual application(s), and if you have been applying these principles that you suggest. then you have only been applying them for a month. Further, you did NOT provide any detail to elaborate on the before and after of your own supposed experiences.

I wonder whether you have even read this thread to understand areas that have already been covered and/or considered relevancy of topics, such as your vague suggestions regarding the employment of fake or that we should practice getting matches? What do those suggestions mean, anyhow, without a context?

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)DogsBreakfast Wrote:  Hey always works, if they don't respond you send a follow up message, e.g. please respond. Then maybe a 3rd message but I have never gotten to that.

I would be careful in describing some practice as "always working."

And supposedly sometimes you follow up, but what do you say? "hey" again?

If "hey" always worked, then you should NOT need to follow up with a girl, ever, right?

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)DogsBreakfast Wrote:  I am reasonably good-looking, but I just swiped 100 girls and got only one match, tinder sucks in Australia. My text game is good though and I am confident I will pull my only match, I don't have to message her she is always messaging me now and wants to meet.

So you seem to be saying that "hey" always works because you employed it with one girl and it seems to be currently working with this one girl, but you have NOT met her yet and therefore you have NOT gotten any bang from her, but "hey" always works and that’s all we need to know?

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)DogsBreakfast Wrote:  It boils down to, 4 good pictures (mine are decent but not great), your appearance, where you live, your text game.

Assuming the girl isnt a bitch that just wants attention. If you have good text game you should be able to get 100% always meet, then if your dating skills are good, decent amount of first to second date lays but this also depends on girl. Never limit yourself, even the good girls can have sex on a first date and do shit they have never done before

A lot of this above description sounds hypothetical. Are you sure that you are basing your description of what to do on your own experience(s) or maybe something that you read somewhere? Also, maybe it would be a good idea to reframe your text a little bit in order that it is describing what you do rather than appearing to be suggesting what guys here should be doing.. especially, when you have NOT first described what it is, more or less, that you are doing?

It could be that I am misunderstanding a little bit based on your ways of phrasing your admonitions.

(09-08-2014 09:57 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^

Ok newbies nobody follow this guy's advice.

This is classic Good Looking guy advice or guy that goes after 5s but thinks they are 7s. And the guy lives in AUS of course. Go read the "are Australian girls ugly" thread to get a sense of the mentality.

This was a great laugh.

Texting "hey" works everytime. And on any 1 match she does all the work? Either you are banging 5s or you are an 8+. Both are bad advice. Get outta here with that hahaha.

I agree – maybe the best you can get out of DogsBreakfast's posts is a laugh and a superficial suggestion without any specifics. Whether you are a newbie or NOT, guys here should recognize that there is something off with Dogsbreakfast’s posts.

He 1) writes in fairly abstract terms, 2) does NOT seem to be describing how he reaches his various conclusions from personal experiences, 3) he seems to be giving out incomplete and off the wall advice when no one asked for such (except to the extent that we are considering various openers that may be used) and 4) there seems to be some aire of superiority to his tone to suggest that he has some better view and/or practices than what the rest of us are employing.

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)DogsBreakfast Wrote:  ^ Lol. I get one match because I am picky, my yes swipe is probably <30%.

Now you are suggesting that you are “picky?” Does that mean that you only bang 9s and above, too?

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)DogsBreakfast Wrote:  And no she doesn't do all the work, at the beginning I have to work for it, but it then gets to a point which is usually after i get the number/facebook and we are talking outside of tinder, I will reach a point with the girl that she likes me enough that I now need less effort because she (in her mind) has already agreed to meet me even though I have not even asked her yet.

Oh? So you must be saying more than just “hey” with these girls in the follow-up? Oh? But how did you get to the point that the girl is pursuing you? Well, since you have only one experience with one girl, you can explain all about that one experience and inform us about how to follow that model?

Seems strange that even though this girl is doing a lot of the work, you have NOT asked her out? I suppose you could just wait for her to ask you out, especially since she is doing so much of the work, at least at this point, no? At what point should we ask the girl out, after the first “hey” or the second “hey” or at some other point?

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)DogsBreakfast Wrote:  I could post pictures of the girls and you would be surprised but I have nothing to prove. So I will offer advice and the whoever wants to take it can, if not doesn't affect me in the slightest

I doubt guys here are looking for random advice. It seems that a lot of us are sharing experiences in this thread and other RVF threads, so usually you would NOT need to prove your points until you begin to seem to be bragging or exaggerating or describing situations that sound too vague to be true, which seems to be the direction you are heading.

Maybe it is just me, but I am finding that the more you describe the more difficult has become for me to follow whatever it is that you are claiming happened with you or that you are suggesting that we should do.

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)DogsBreakfast Wrote:  Oh and about the aus girls are ugly thread-I use to completely agree with this. But looks wise you can get hotter girls here than for e.g. asia, the difficulty though is meeting them, you will never meet a girl like this online. My one match in last 2 days is actually vietnamese. Also what makes aus girls less attractive for me is their accent and how they are usually defensive. But after this you can get a girl that is fit/takes care of her body, big tits, good face.

I have traveled Europe, EE and asia if you are thinking I have no idea what the outside world is like.

Seems like you are almost missing the point, here – but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that there are good looking girls all over the world, yet as guys here frequently concede the area of the world can have an impact on how guys interact with girls or the way the girls may respond to guys… And what works in one area of the world may NOT work in another area.. or at least the obstacles are different from place to place.

As long as you are talking from your own experiences, it should NOT really matter too much whether you recognize or even understand all the social and cultural dynamics of your specific location as compared with other locations. Guys here have a vast array of experiences and some of the experiences may be within a narrow set of world travels, but those narrow experiences should NOT stop them from being able to game women or to describe their attempts at such. For example, if you are a virgin, then it may scew your description of your experiences and you judgement to some extent, just like other experiences can scew the judgements and understandings of guys. In that regard, sometimes it can be helpful for guys here to understand some of your experiences in order to understand whether your suggestions seem plausible to work for us.

Situational opener here. Late night match, shoot a message their way...

"Cut it out I'm tryin' to sleep."

Close to 100% response rate.

Met a girl on Tinder and she said she had hooked up with a band member from "of mice and men" and the back up tight end from the seahawks both via Tinder.

I wonder how many girls are chasing fame pussy on Tinder.

(09-09-2014 08:08 PM)rdvirus Wrote:  Situational opener here. Late night match, shoot a message their way...

"Cut it out I'm tryin' to sleep."

Close to 100% response rate.

Tried it, the girl unmatched me

^^

Yea some of these have to be used lightly.

You have that "cute girl next door but I love a good hard fuck look to you"

After reading that one on here I went around and mass sent it to about 20 girls. The majority weren't so impressed.

what's a good gps spoofer for iPhone?

the one I've used "fake-a-location" doesn't operate correctly.

You guys that aren't successful on tinder are simply ugly.

(09-11-2014 07:02 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 08:08 PM)rdvirus Wrote:  Situational opener here. Late night match, shoot a message their way...

"Cut it out I'm tryin' to sleep."

Close to 100% response rate.

Tried it, the girl unmatched me

(09-11-2014 11:32 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  You guys that aren't successful on tinder are simply ugly.

It's a simple truth that no one wants to accept.
Your pictures suck..you are ugly

Openers don't really matter..if you're ugly the girl won't answer.

Suck it up and go to a dim lit bar and run game

Hey, do you mean that the pic from my avatar is not good enough for Tinder?

(09-11-2014 11:32 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  You guys that aren't successful on tinder are simply ugly.

7 day ban

(09-12-2014 02:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 11:32 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  You guys that aren't successful on tinder are simply ugly.

7 day ban

I think this result makes a point. Surely, we all know that looks matter to getting attention (especially in Tinder and other online dating sites), but it is NOT the only factor that is involved in trying to figure out how to best maximize your results and to give up on the employment of strategies. Or even to figure out audiences or geographical locations that can cause different results based on whether a guy is exotic in that location.

I will admit that I am NOT too endowed in the looks department, so frequently, I have to play and emphasize other attributes besides looks and/or be careful with certain picture angles - and different venues are going to make it easier to play on different attributes or to attempt to disguise various weaknesses.

I agree with sourcecode, as one of the guys who doesn't have success on Tinder.

Every so often I have tried it, no success, only beasts.

OkCupid I can meet much better looking girls in the same exact location.

I am tall, OK looking, but not jacked and clearly not hot enough for tinder. OkC which is more about your messages and profile has much more space for "game" to shine through than tinder.

I won't go as far as to say ugly.

Tinder is just really really SHALLOW. I mean you're swiping pictures of girls (or mass swiping). You aren't reading their bio (until you get matched)

It's all about pictures, looks, and of course text game.

In person its obvious different. Social Media is shallow.

@Sowey i know you can have a more positive attitude than that man !

Since I've been back on campus, Tinder has been difficult for me because girls in the age range of 18-21 don't care about your bio; 90% of them don't even read it.

Back in NYC I had more leeway because I was swiping on girls 18-27, but since I'm in a college town, I'm swiping on girls my age and younger.

Sourcecode is right: timing the perfect opener, text game, and all of that jazz only works to a certain degree--but your looks is what dictates all of that. If you're ugly your opener or text game won't even matter at that point.

I'm not saying the guys in this thread are ugly but don't expect success if you're not at least slightly above average in looks.. otherwise Tinder is hell. Show me a guy who is killing it on Tinder and I'll show you a guy that's good looking, even if he himself doesn't know it.

remember guys, most of these women actually take the time to look at you before swiping (I'm sure there's a very low percentage that swipes blindly the way men do).

so if you've matched with her. she finds you attractive in some way shape or form. and the plus side of that is. at the very least, she'll fuck you (see the "would you hit it" thread).

that's what we want anyway, no?

the shit is a rat race gone wild. get it while it's hot. that is if you can keep her attention that long.

you match. start talking around noon. she goes radio silence because of work or some other trivial thing that takes her away from dream about your cock. 4 hrs later see opens the app up again. Tom, Dick and Harry along with 50 more fuckers trying to fuck have matched and messaged her.

These too are men that she would say yes to fucking. Some of which are better looking than YOU.

pardon, but you've just been bumped, sir

^ I match hot girls often and use the right lines etc...

Getting them out even after phone number and texting is still a lot tougher for me than dating sites by a long stretch.

My instincts tell me you need to be a photogenic 7.5+ to be able to meet cute to hot girls regularly and easily.

I disagree with the overly optimisitc outlook that getting a match means she is DTF.

No she is just somewhat attracted and wants attention 95%+ of the time.