(09-12-2014 05:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I won't go as far as to say ugly.

Tinder is just really really SHALLOW. I mean you're swiping pictures of girls (or mass swiping). You aren't reading their bio (until you get matched)

It's all about pictures, looks, and of course text game.

In person its obvious different. Social Media is shallow.

@Sowey i know you can have a more positive attitude than that man !

I'm not being negative, I am not "ugly" but I'm also not amazing looking either. I would be interested to see guys post their "mybestface" scores and their tinder results, to see where the "cutoff" is.

I'm just saying that every time I've used OKC, I've been able to get really cute girls. Tinder, nope. Same style, same pics, same location. Totally different results.

No negativity at all just trying to be realistic.

5 tinder bangs here off of 11 dates this year.

All 7s with one 6 thrown in. I'm here in NYC and asian-american with decent looks. In shape too. I just like every girl on tinder by tapping with my thumb and just block the girls who I don't think are cute. My opener is a simple "hey stranger" or "ready for some awkward conversation" or "nice pic of ________". I then make some ramble and then suggest a date. If they say yes I ask for the number and also just give them mine.

Tinder bang 1 was the hottest white girl of the five. Age 25 hipster. Took her to a concert on first date, we got drunk, told her she should crash at my spot cuz it was closer to her office and that I didn't want to have sex on first date. As soon as we got to my place in nyc we banged. I woke up later and she was gone. She live tweeted the date too lol.

Tinder 2 was a sexy and slim 23yr old chinese-american girl who lived in queens. Went on a date for $1 oysters in my hood. Took her back to my pad to show my view. Got her on my bed and just made out. 3 weeks later went to the Met rooftop. Went back to my place at 3p. Made out in my bed and she asked if I wanted to fuck her. Hell yeah I did, and yes I fucked her.

Tinder 3 was the 6 of the group. She looked sexy in her pic but it was a selfie that hid the thickness. This was the biggest girl I've been with. Pretty face but I'm not into the big. She was a 22yr old Canadian and half Ukrainian. We matched at 1130p. Set up a meet at a bar near her pad in hells kitchen at 1230a. Brought her back downtown in a cab and was fucking by 130a. Blasted in her mouth.

Tinder 4 was a cute cantonese college student, 20, in Hong Kong. After matching I set the date for two days later at the Happy Valley horse race in HK. Fun party and crowd. We had some beers. Then went out for dinner in Lan Kwai Gong at a cool izakaya. She was loaded, had a nice Rolex, went to Georgetown, and had a sexy accent. She offered to pay but I was on a work trip so money wasn't an issue. I suggested we have some wine back at my place. She was cool with it and even bought a nice bottle of white burgundy. Raw dog +1 I'll prob see her in NYC if she ever comes up from Georgetown in DC.

Tinder 5 was a few weeks ago in Oslo, Norway. French Canadian, 18. Marched in morning. She was solo and looking for someone to show her around Oslo. I met up with her at Kulturhouse, a coffee shop and bar. She said 18 wasn't old enough to get into most bars. Ingot her a glass of wine and smoked cigs w her, all the while touching her on her legs and waist. I suggested we drink some vodka and whiskey at my Raddison Blu hotel. She agreed. We listened to some R&B and banged. Best sex of the 5 tinder bangs. Raw dog too. 10 min after she got up and said she had a party to go to. Sweet girl.

Tinder is just a numbers game to me. Put up your best pics and let your homegirls vet them. I probably put in about 15 min a day on tinder liking all the girls profiles and chatting a bit with the ones I like. Pretty good ROI but kinda boring.

I'd rather drink at a bar and approach in real life.

(09-12-2014 06:33 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 05:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I won't go as far as to say ugly.

Tinder is just really really SHALLOW. I mean you're swiping pictures of girls (or mass swiping). You aren't reading their bio (until you get matched)

It's all about pictures, looks, and of course text game.

In person its obvious different. Social Media is shallow.

@Sowey i know you can have a more positive attitude than that man !

I'm not being negative, I am not "ugly" but I'm also not amazing looking either. I would be interested to see guys post their "mybestface" scores and their tinder results, to see where the "cutoff" is.

I'm just saying that every time I've used OKC, I've been able to get really cute girls. Tinder, nope. Same style, same pics, same location. Totally different results.

No negativity at all just trying to be realistic.

Being decent looking on Tinder isn't enough.

Most men will barely get any matches on Tinder.

Decent looking guys will get some matches but they won't convert to bangs.

Good looking guys will enjoy a pussy goldmine. These are the 8+ guys, the ones who have it easy IRL and even have mediocre girls approach them in the club.

The thing is, every guy thinks he's a 7 but in reality he's a 5. So you have legions of men who think they're decent looking but aren't getting results, saying shit like girls don't use Tinder to hook up but just to attention whore in order to preserve their ego.

If you want to do well at Tinder but aren't handsome, you can always get shredded with a visible 6 pack and take a shirtless pic for your main.

@ Travesty444

I wasn't saying that they are DTF. I'm simply saying they would fuck you (reason why I referenced the "would you hit it" thread).

I agree with you about the attention whoring. I hit the unmatch button swiftly with those.

(09-12-2014 07:23 PM)Deluge Wrote:  The thing is, every guy thinks he's a 7 but in reality he's a 5.

Deluge, I think you're probably right.

I wonder if you've used My Best Face, OKC's picture-rating tool. Your pics get rated out of 100. I have gotten high 60s/low 70s from the pics I use.

I get matches that go nowhere on Tinder, but do well on OKC.

If you're doing good on Tinder, I'd be interested to see what your score is. It'd be interesting if OKCs scores really just matched to the 1-10 scale.

(09-12-2014 02:50 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 02:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 11:32 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  You guys that aren't successful on tinder are simply ugly.

7 day ban

I think this result makes a point. Surely, we all know that looks matter to getting attention (especially in Tinder and other online dating sites), but it is NOT the only factor that is involved in trying to figure out how to best maximize your results and to give up on the employment of strategies. Or even to figure out audiences or geographical locations that can cause different results based on whether a guy is exotic in that location.

I will admit that I am NOT too endowed in the looks department, so frequently, I have to play and emphasize other attributes besides looks and/or be careful with certain picture angles - and different venues are going to make it easier to play on different attributes or to attempt to disguise various weaknesses.

Exactly, Tinder is the Gran Turismo of online game. Better have some cool shit on you or else you'll get ran over.

If all else fails just pay to get professional photos taken of you.

Gotta make yourself stand out.

My pics all show me in a exotic destination or doing something fun
Half of it is in French too

I've had girls that wouldn't otherwise give me their number if it weren't for my 30 word profile

(09-12-2014 07:38 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 07:23 PM)Deluge Wrote:  The thing is, every guy thinks he's a 7 but in reality he's a 5.

Deluge, I think you're probably right.

I wonder if you've used My Best Face, OKC's picture-rating tool. Your pics get rated out of 100. I have gotten high 60s/low 70s from the pics I use.

I get matches that go nowhere on Tinder, but do well on OKC.

If you're doing good on Tinder, I'd be interested to see what your score is. It'd be interesting if OKCs scores really just matched to the 1-10 scale.

I'm in the get a lot of matches but few convert category, I've used MyBestFace to pick my pictures and gotten similar ratings to you. Race would play a part. This lines up with my IRL experience, good looking enough to get interest from 6-6.5's without having to do anything, but not enough for my looks to do all the work for me, or help with hotter girls. I've geo-spoofed my Tinder to Europe though and gotten very high response rates there, even in Western Europe. Aussie men are fierce competition.

(09-12-2014 07:46 PM)R Smoov Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 02:50 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 02:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 11:32 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  You guys that aren't successful on tinder are simply ugly.

7 day ban

I think this result makes a point. Surely, we all know that looks matter to getting attention (especially in Tinder and other online dating sites), but it is NOT the only factor that is involved in trying to figure out how to best maximize your results and to give up on the employment of strategies. Or even to figure out audiences or geographical locations that can cause different results based on whether a guy is exotic in that location.

I will admit that I am NOT too endowed in the looks department, so frequently, I have to play and emphasize other attributes besides looks and/or be careful with certain picture angles - and different venues are going to make it easier to play on different attributes or to attempt to disguise various weaknesses.

Exactly, Tinder is the Gran Turismo of online game. Better have some cool shit on you or else you'll get ran over.

If all else fails just pay to get professional photos taken of you.

But if someone is ugly, getting pro pics would only make him look professionally ugly.

Girl I matched with a couple days ago just sent: what do you think about feminism?

What would you guys say? I think it could be a great launch pad for my penis to enter her vagina in a violent manner if I say something red pill.

(09-12-2014 09:54 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  Girl I matched with a couple days ago just sent: what do you think about feminism?

What would you guys say? I think it could be a great launch pad for my penis to enter her vagina in a violent manner if I say something red pill.

Maybe you should propose some potential texts also, in order that we do NOT conclude that you are trolling us?

On the more serious side, you could say: "it's overrated" or you could say, I believe in feminism because I like all my girls to act and to dress feminine... then send a dick pic... (just kidding about the dick pic) though you likely need to have an overall game plan about how to play out the situation... but really you do NOT want to get lured into her frame or to be lured into engaging in very many back and forth texts.... which could dry up any potential pussy in the situation...

Also, seems funny that a girl would even ask, but it could be a good topic to "discuss over beer" while she is in a dress make-up and high heels... or to measure whether she is DTF or a form of shit test in which she is attempting to calculate her next response, if any, based on your response.

I said: there's much bigger problems in the world, I think its a joke. In some countries women are still treated as possessions. I could care less about any Americans problems, male or female.

Her: goodbye forever xoxo

Feels good kinda.

(09-12-2014 10:17 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  I said: there's much bigger problems in the world, I think its a joke. In some countries women are still treated as possessions. I could care less about any Americans problems, male or female.

Her: goodbye forever xoxo

Feels good kinda.

Well, sometimes it can be a good screen, either way.. and you would be screening whether she is DTF.

Your language seemed a bit more direct than what I would have chosen and maybe even more confrontational than what would have been my approach, but to each his own...

Maybe your language could have been o.k. with some women ... yet in my thinking some more confrontational or controversial framings are better saved to say when in person rather than by text...

Anyhow, on the bright side, maybe it shows that she was NOT down to fuck... ? or willing to accept some of your frame? Hm?

Oh well, I could have been more playful, but in the end its just another low quality bish who ultimately isn't worth the time.

(09-12-2014 10:49 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  Oh well, I could have been more playful, but in the end its just another low quality bish who ultimately isn't worth the time.

Actually how she looks and whether she has nice tits could make a difference, too.... Certainly, I am willing to play ball more with some drama or even some various incompatibilities the more that I am otherwise attracted to a girl or if I think that she is gonna be worth the effort

I just had a date with a girl (met outside tinder) and we got into talking about how she used Tinder for a few days. She was telling me how she started swiping left on guys for trivial things like having an ugly t-shirt or an odd chin, small things she admits she wouldn't reject them for at a bar. Their pictures basically had to be perfect, and this girls just a 6.5-7. She also confirmed she got ridiculous amounts of thirsty messages.

(09-12-2014 09:54 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  Girl I matched with a couple days ago just sent: what do you think about feminism?

What would you guys say? I think it could be a great launch pad for my penis to enter her vagina in a violent manner if I say something red pill.

I would just reply something like: "Yes, I love feminism. Most feminist girls I've met suck a mean dick".

(09-12-2014 09:54 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  Girl I matched with a couple days ago just sent: what do you think about feminism?

What would you guys say? I think it could be a great launch pad for my penis to enter her vagina in a violent manner if I say something red pill.

Distraction/ Diversion.. She laid a trap question.. and a serious one. Dont step into it.. Smoothly segway and move to something else..

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A bit too serious for a fun tinder conversation, I like females Do you like females too by any chance?

Why so serious batman? ? You forget we are on tinder.. not a debate room / talk show

I like feminines.. I hope you like masculines in addition to feminines..

Move to FUN

(09-11-2014 11:32 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  You guys that aren't successful on tinder are simply ugly.

You don't have to be ugly. If you're anything less than 7, Tinder is pretty much a waste of time for guys. Even an average guy isn't going to get much love. You don't have to be ugly. Post a fake profile with a guy that's a 6 looks-wise and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Also, if Sourcecode is killing it on Tinder, then he's probably a well above average looking guy, maybe an 8 or higher. So that then explains much of the success he speaks about in his European adventures. This all reminds me of the thread about taking advice from good-looking guys with a grain of salt. They have no idea what it's like to be average and they think have great game when in reality most of their success is due to luck of being born with good facial genetics.

(09-13-2014 01:56 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 11:32 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  You guys that aren't successful on tinder are simply ugly.

You don't have to be ugly. If you're anything less than 7, Tinder is pretty much a waste of time for guys. Even an average guy isn't going to get much love. You don't have to be ugly. Post a fake profile with a guy that's a 6 looks-wise and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Also, if Sourcecode is killing it on Tinder, then he's probably a well above average looking guy, maybe an 8 or higher. So that then explains much of the success he speaks about in his European adventures. This all reminds me of the thread about taking advice from good-looking guys with a grain of salt. They have no idea what it's like to be average and they think have great game when in reality most of their success is due to luck of being born with good facial genetics.

Not true. I would say I'm a male 6, but I have average roughly 5 matches a day in a horrifically boring city. I think it's not so much about looking Hot in your pictures as it is looking interesting.

Clint Barton (a poster on here) has awesome tinder pics, so I mimicked his picture style, put my height +1-2 inches and I have been able to match with 5-6's, and the odd 7 or 8, pretty consistently.

I have a picture of me in a suit, a picture of me jumping really high on a trampoline and a picture of me throwing a baseball at the beach (with no shirt on of course).

That said, I suppose my face is a little nicer than the average guys, but I'm bald, so it evens out.

(09-13-2014 01:56 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 11:32 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  You guys that aren't successful on tinder are simply ugly.

You don't have to be ugly. If you're anything less than 7, Tinder is pretty much a waste of time for guys. Even an average guy isn't going to get much love. You don't have to be ugly. Post a fake profile with a guy that's a 6 looks-wise and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Also, if Sourcecode is killing it on Tinder, then he's probably a well above average looking guy, maybe an 8 or higher. So that then explains much of the success he speaks about in his European adventures. This all reminds me of the thread about taking advice from good-looking guys with a grain of salt. They have no idea what it's like to be average and they think have great game when in reality most of their success is due to luck of being born with good facial genetics.

I largely agree with you speak easy. Take with a grain of salt advice from any guy who is bragging a lot about anything or even seeming to describe some one fit or simplified angle because that guy may have some assets or techniques or mentality that is working for him that does NOT necessarily apply to your situation.

On the other hand, frequently we can learn from various braggers about what may or may NOT work for us, as long as we are attempting to conceive, apply and/or tailor their practices to our own particulars. Some aspects of our practices and even presentations and mentality are mutable, and other things will just remain as obstacles and unmutable to our achieving the same or similar results in the same circumstances.

Still, not listening to good-looking guys in regards to dating is a lot like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Can you do EVERYTHING that a 6'4, mesomorph with 6 pack abs and a $250,000 car can do? Probably not? But there are probably some things you can take from his game. Maybe he's very easy going, maybe he's audacious in a way that you didn't think could work. Maybe he has a way of story telling that really sucks girls in. It's better to try and see what you can learn from someone rather than seeing what you can't learn (height, looks, etc).

You have to try someone's game out before you write it off as a consequence of something outside of your control.

If you're unwilling to try something that someone suggests then that's kinda weak.

I have so far met up with 8 Tinder girls, made out with all of them, but only fucked three. Quality is very similar to what I usually get from night game. Have been using the app on and off since late last year.

In my experience, girls on Tinder are much more relationship oriented than the ones I meet in nightclubs, but this could be my location - big city in South America - and age - I'm early 30s and can match very easily with girls in the 26-29 age bracket, but have a hard time matching with the hot girls under 25 in my city. 'Aggressive nice guy' game usually works fine on these late 20s girls.

All in all, I pretty much agree with what Clint Barton said. Numbers game, excellent ROI, but pretty boring. Sometimes I want a break from night game (which is very expensive and physically/emotionally demanding) and dive right into online game for a month or so. Then I get bored and miss the thrill of real life approaching. Since day game isn't an option for me, as I work an office full time job from Monday to Friday, I go back to night clubs. And so it goes.

I came here to look for some advice on my opening "About me" bullshit. Honestly, guys, stop with the pessimism please. Of course women are catching on to this ap. They are shallow bitches. We created this problem. Now, let's innovate and progress past the shortcomings.
Both of my pics are professional and make me look like a 7 or even a 7.5, but I actually struggle with women IRL. Mainly because I weigh 135 lbs. soaking wet. Please, give up the argument before you start it; think of the simple, statistical limitations with women I have at 5'6"/ 135 lbs. and it should make sense. I get to where I am through personality and style.
The problem with my pics (though they are good) is that I don't and won't try to embelish this weight. So, I have a lot of women swipe left, just as most of you do. I average maybe 3 matches a day still, some days more than others.
I've improved immensely on my message game thanks to Roosh and my own innovative creativity. I average a 40% closing ratio with the girls that have swiped right, including the ones I lose interest in. This has resulted in three smashes this week alone, rated at a 5.5, 6, and 7.5 respectively. Though I tend to hold out for more prestigious women IRL, I find this method is simultaneously boosting both my confidence and skill set. If I can do this, seriously guys, so can you. I'm not incredibly attractive, not incredibly smart, and not incredibly rich like a lot of the guys posting here.
So CUT THE BULLSHIT. First message DOES matter. I have a few highly successful lead ins I will share at request. I can post screenshots as well.

That being said, I'd be more inclined to a trade. If someone can help me with a proven, witty "About me" section, I will unload everything I've picked up on the messaging front. I love Roosh. Almost all other forums are golden. I really want you guys to step it up here and remember what we came for: advice; comradery; creative ideas; progression/ protection of the upperhand men SHOULD have on the "market." Thanks for reading. Please, take it into serious consideration.

^ A rather incendiary first post, don't you think?

When it comes to "about me," less is more. I just put my height. I used to have a quote there, but I find that I get fewer matches when I try to be all witty and interesting. Your pictures should speak for you.