(07-25-2014 10:29 AM)Renberg Wrote:  The more I game, the more I wonder why there are haters of sources such as RVF. Because game isn't about the success or prosperity of an organization; but it's a focus on the individual. As some of you know, I'm relatively new to the forum (3-4 months) and before joining, I've always had trouble talking with cute girls. Last night, I went out with a gorgeous girl, utilized everything I've learned and passed an insane amount of shit tests. Game's all about self-improvement. Before we made out at the bar, this cute chick said things to me I never expected to hear, such as: "I don't know about you...You're either an asshole or really funny" -- one of the best compliments from a chick I've ever gotten. Just a thought I've been having a lot lately that I'm sure everyone has too. The Red Pill isn't a way to get away with disrespecting others; it's a way to achieve your goals by recognizing the proper ways to act in given situations. There's nothing better than feeling an increase in self-confidence and self-worth while you're in pursuit of things that you didn't think you could capably pursue.

I have a game-related question also. So much of the manosphere is spent discussing when to text a chick back, how many days to wait for a date, etc -- and it all revolves around the need to not come off as desperate. But, wouldn't you only come off as desperate if you ARE desperate? I text a girl back when I'm available, whether it's 2 minutes after or 5 hours after her text. I went out with that girl last night. I'll either hit her up tonight or tomorrow because I'm free early next week and am going to try to secure the bang then. Do noted time requirements matter?

Renberg

Most people don't understand what game is. They think PUA/Fuzzy hat.

Also, their are a lot of myths in our culture about how only naturals can get girls. Anything that contradicts that narrative is attacked or laughed at.

I super horny right now. Something about fucking that girl got my engine going.

I guess sex begets sex.

Anyone else get hornier after they have sex? I think this French girl's little body and nice tots kicked my libido into high gear,

(07-25-2014 10:35 AM)soup Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 10:29 AM)Renberg Wrote:  The more I game, the more I wonder why there are haters of sources such as RVF. Because game isn't about the success or prosperity of an organization; but it's a focus on the individual. As some of you know, I'm relatively new to the forum (3-4 months) and before joining, I've always had trouble talking with cute girls. Last night, I went out with a gorgeous girl, utilized everything I've learned and passed an insane amount of shit tests. Game's all about self-improvement. Before we made out at the bar, this cute chick said things to me I never expected to hear, such as: "I don't know about you...You're either an asshole or really funny" -- one of the best compliments from a chick I've ever gotten. Just a thought I've been having a lot lately that I'm sure everyone has too. The Red Pill isn't a way to get away with disrespecting others; it's a way to achieve your goals by recognizing the proper ways to act in given situations. There's nothing better than feeling an increase in self-confidence and self-worth while you're in pursuit of things that you didn't think you could capably pursue.

I have a game-related question also. So much of the manosphere is spent discussing when to text a chick back, how many days to wait for a date, etc -- and it all revolves around the need to not come off as desperate. But, wouldn't you only come off as desperate if you ARE desperate? I text a girl back when I'm available, whether it's 2 minutes after or 5 hours after her text. I went out with that girl last night. I'll either hit her up tonight or tomorrow because I'm free early next week and am going to try to secure the bang then. Do noted time requirements matter?

Renberg

Most people don't understand what game is. They think PUA/Fuzzy hat.

Also, their are a lot of myths in our culture about how only naturals can get girls. Anything that contradicts that narrative is attacked or laughed at.

Most don't give the world the time of day to consider the grey area of some thing. Everything is either black or white. In this case - game - you're either a natural or a fuzzy hat PUA super master. For a chick to consider self improvement and extreme self criticism is ridiculous. My male friends note how I've gotten in excellent shape, and live an interesting life, but also acknowledge how I am more aggressive with women and don't fear much about their reaction to me. While they may not acknowledge game, they know something has changed day to day, week to week, year to year.

Meanwhile my closest female friend, someone I've known for over 15 years, and someone I generally consider modest and erudite, said to me, "you get more girls now because you're hotter!" There was no consideration as to the 'how' despite spending time with her at least bi-monthly for the past decade.

I don't know how to define game, I don't care to, but I know what it means to me, and I know it works. Explaing it to someone else is a waste of your time.

(07-25-2014 11:40 AM)soup Wrote:  I super horny right now. Something about fucking that girl got my engine going.

I guess sex begets sex.

Anyone else get hornier after they have sex? I think this French girl's little body and nice tots kicked my libido into high gear,

All the time. That's why I often fuck my dick raw because I can't stop. I really need to start masturbating again.

(07-25-2014 11:40 AM)soup Wrote:  I super horny right now. Something about fucking that girl got my engine going.

I guess sex begets sex.

Anyone else get hornier after they have sex? I think this French girl's little body and nice tots kicked my libido into high gear,

Yes. I am the same. It is the momentum + your enjoyment of it that makes you want it more and your body responds.

Especially good sex.

I had 4 girls pipelined for tonight, 1 flaked, 1 is 40km away, the other 1 invited me out to drink and the other 1 .

Also, the flake, flaked on me last Saturday; I intended on meeting her. Granted, she lives in the suburbs and I am town central but I won't stand for this shit.

Time to replace, going to go out, but not to venues where I know there will be girls I know.

What are your guys thoughts about weekend dates? It's hit or miss for me, sometimes I get burned by girls having other plans afterwards. On the flip side, they don't have work the next day and can get loose.

Usually I'll schedule it if necessary, and if she takes off then I'll just go out and consider the date my pregame.

(07-25-2014 11:55 AM)slubu Wrote:  What are your guys thoughts about weekend dates? It's hit or miss for me, sometimes I get burned by girls having other plans afterwards. On the flip side, they don't have work the next day and can get loose.

Usually I'll schedule it if necessary, and if she takes off then I'll just go out and consider the date my pregame.

Tuesday nights are good (for girls in college) but Thursday works well because people have the momentum of it's almost Friday feeling with not so much energy to have a girls night out (for those with normal jobs)

(07-25-2014 11:55 AM)slubu Wrote:  What are your guys thoughts about weekend dates? It's hit or miss for me, sometimes I get burned by girls having other plans afterwards. On the flip side, they don't have work the next day and can get loose.

Usually I'll schedule it if necessary, and if she takes off then I'll just go out and consider the date my pregame.

Weekend dates start no earlier for 10-11, pushing 11 for me in the city. It eliminates her flake chance - she knows it's you for the night or she's going home dry.

(07-25-2014 12:13 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 11:55 AM)slubu Wrote:  What are your guys thoughts about weekend dates? It's hit or miss for me, sometimes I get burned by girls having other plans afterwards. On the flip side, they don't have work the next day and can get loose.

Usually I'll schedule it if necessary, and if she takes off then I'll just go out and consider the date my pregame.

Weekend dates start no earlier for 10-11, pushing 11 for me in the city. It eliminates her flake chance - she knows it's you for the night or she's going home dry.

Yup, I don't like the weekend crowd in NYC and I usually schedule dates for Friday and Saturday. But it is always late...midnight or later when we meet up so she can catch up with friends or whatever. Plus, when its that late, she usually shows up a bit tipsy which is always a goodie.

Maledefined...that new flag next to your name is makin me smile. Nice.

Girl last night was molting hair at my place. I've never had girl who let go of so much hair.

Does this mean anything with regards to her psychology? Is it like a stress thing- like if they feel anxious, their hair starts falling out?

(07-25-2014 11:40 AM)soup Wrote:  Anyone else get hornier after they have sex?

Absolutely.

I don't utilise Game the same way as the players here as I am in an LTR.

Fucked my girl twice today, she has gone home, but damn am I horny and could easily slide in to some other lizards if they came my way.

But probably just as well I don't since I would drop her like hot coal if she cheated on me.

I've been trying to get my Game-denial buddy to take in some knowledge. He has zero Approach Anxiety, but doesn't quite know what to once he has approached. Yesterday he flirted with the sexy lady in my local store, and afterwards asked me to critique his effort. He was pretty good, and was on point with vocal tonality and sexual sub-communication, but no close. He's been flirting with her for over a year now

(07-25-2014 11:55 AM)slubu Wrote:  What are your guys thoughts about weekend dates? It's hit or miss for me, sometimes I get burned by girls having other plans afterwards. On the flip side, they don't have work the next day and can get loose.

Usually I'll schedule it if necessary, and if she takes off then I'll just go out and consider the date my pregame.

On weekends, I will see them out. Usually they are with a group of friends so I link up, when with friends.

Otherwise, I just message them sometime around 10 or so. See what they're up to and see if it is logistically possible, just as an option, remove the date and use the logistics and her 'already out' to our mutual benefit.

Got a date lined up tonight. Some nights I go out and think "wish I just had a date, I don't want to prowl." And now as I'm walking down the street I see tons more opportunities. I hate the feeling of being scheduled, even if it's a date. Luckily it's earlier, so the night can go in several directions.

I'm thinking of everyone spilling out of the bars tonight and how many more approaches I can make, but have to head back and prepare.

If I'm feeling this way, I can only imagine a typical American girl, with her moment-by-moment emotional spasms.

(07-25-2014 01:38 PM)Noir Wrote:  Otherwise, I just message them sometime around 10 or so. See what they're up to and see if it is logistically possible, just as an option, remove the date and use the logistics and her 'already out' to our mutual benefit.

I like this. I'm noticing I get a lot more responses when I'm inquire on a meetup the same day. You can schedule a date but her emotional state is volatile so her word is meaningless. Everything's getting faster, the future is diminishing, the power of "text now".

Anyone know good litmus tests for screening a girl's relationship with her father?

Since I'm a huge scumbag shitlord I'm a fan of girls with daddy issues because they generally fuck and suck like it's their last day on earth if you set the correct frame.

(07-25-2014 05:54 PM)Hans Dix Wrote:  Anyone know good litmus tests for screening a girl's relationship with her father?

I just say stuff like..

"where do your folks live"
"where do your parents live?"
"how are your parents"
"what do your parents do"
"Do you get along with your parents"
"How is your relationship with your mom"
"How is your relationship with your dad"
etc.

After that, I have a good idea about what direction to go in:

"Father Figure Game" - Fill the empty spaces left by her father;

She will crave attention, guidance, direction, discipline, etc. She will crave a masculine presence in her life. I take a position superior to her. I speak to her form a place of authority, the same way a father would. I correct her when she needs correcting, I advise her when she needs advising. I help her focus her life and get on a path towards success. This is what she wants, this is what she needs, she was just lacking some strong, male, adult leadership

Addressing these things as they relate specifically to her life will cause her to get emotional and connect with you. They crave masculine leadership in their lives.

"Older Man Fantasy Game" - Satisfy her curiosity and need for new, exciting experiences;

She has a good relationship with her father. She is fresh out of high school. She is away at college in the big city. What does she want? She wants fun and excitement. Now is her chance to experiment with sex and drugs and try all the things she has been fantasizing about since she was 12 or 13. Fucking an older man is often one of these fantasies.

I take a different tone with these girls. I don't speak to them in a fatherly manner like I would with the other girls. I present myself as a fun, cool, established older guy that can introduce her to the new experiences that she is looking for. I take them to downtown San Francisco for lunch and shopping. I often provide drugs and alcohol. Many times I pick them up at their dorm room and no one knows but her and I. I make the fantasy a reality!

I often dress better when I'm with these girls because it's all about the "cool, older guy vibe".

Its all about identifying and fulfilling her needs, wants, and desires.

Once you identify her needs, you can begin to address them in the best possible way.

Trust me, younger girls love older guys. It's taboo -- which makes them even more curious about it!!

*****

This is a re-post from this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-21493-...#pid398511

(07-25-2014 11:55 AM)slubu Wrote:  What are your guys thoughts about weekend dates?

Structure your sex life around your preferences.

If you want sex on Saturday night, have it Saturday night. If not, can you re-schedule the sex for whichever day you do want it?

The more game and logistics we have, the more options we should have, the more options we have, the more power we have in screening and scheduling our lovers.

I like to keep my weekends free and open.

My main girl comes over Fridays at 11am. (we both do not work on Fridays, generally)

By 4 or 5pm, she is on the train to go back home and I am free to do whatever I want.

Scheduling sex when I want it is one of my favorite perks of learning game.

The better our game gets, the more we can control the Who, What, When, Where, and Whys of sex!

Game = Sexual Power

Just banged out this girl from OKC that I've been texting back and forth with since early June. She definitely SIF'd out a little compared to her photos online. Whatever.

I think she knew I'm stick-man because she downed her whiskeys very fast and I had to keep up with her. Hit it, and she was out. Shabbat pussy.

Time from meet to poosy destruction was about an hour. Blew all over face like a porn.

I did notice that her legs were crossed away from me when we met up, but it didn't to stop the ensuing carnality.

Leg crossing is really interesting. I visited my brothers place last weekend and noticed his wife was crossing her legs away from him all weekend. Trouble on the horizon?

Does pedestalization have anything to do with having a good time? I've been seeing a lot of chicks lately, and out of the 15 I've been on, I'm going on a second date with one of them. I could invite myself over to "watch a movie," but she's a cool chick (and she's hot), so I'd rather go out for a drink and then move back to her place. She has roommates and I'd rather not meet them completely sober. In my mind, I'm thinking that spending an extra $15 when I don't have to in order to get laid is a beta move. But, at the same time, I think: I'd rather have a good time out with this cute chick, drinking some alcohol, before we move the party to her home. Is this pedestalization? Or is it a normal thought?

No dude, go out and have fun with her. If that's what you want to do, go fucking do it! Don't over think the alpha/beta/pedalstalization jargon. Do what you want to do and keep thinking for yourself.

I love just hanging out with groups of girls because I can learn so much about female psyche from direct observation. And it's a fun goddamn time when your drinking and laughing with a hottie/hotties.

Enjoy.

@Renberg

have a few drinks before you head over to her place. bring drinks along with movie. meet roommates (remember you've had a few, so you are pretty chill and smooth). take her back to room, watch movie for 2.3 seconds. then dive into pussy

@GM

he hasn't fucked her yet. sounds a bit nervous to me. he can do that another night AFTER he's fucked her.

Thanks for the advice, guys. Starting to realize game is less about definition and more about thinking for yourself/doing what you want/how you want.

(07-25-2014 04:56 PM)unbowed Wrote:  Got a date lined up tonight. Some nights I go out and think "wish I just had a date, I don't want to prowl." And now as I'm walking down the street I see tons more opportunities. I hate the feeling of being scheduled, even if it's a date.

(07-25-2014 01:38 PM)Noir Wrote:  Otherwise, I just message them sometime around 10 or so. See what they're up to and see if it is logistically possible, just as an option, remove the date and use the logistics and her 'already out' to our mutual benefit.

I like this. I'm noticing I get a lot more responses when I'm inquire on a meetup the same day. You can schedule a date but her emotional state is volatile so her word is meaningless. Everything's getting faster, the future is diminishing, the power of "text now".

Re: Scheduling dates, I agree 100%. Some nights you want a buffet instead of a la carte.

As for same day meetings, girls have memory of a goldfish and zero allegiance, if you haven't fucked them and are still in the 'setting dates' stage.

I just this experimentation last night, and out of 4, 2 were still willing to follow through on our loosely planned date.


Friday nights are full of FOMO for women.

Well, looks like I have another sad story for the old "Girls I should've but failed to bang" thread... ugh, this one stings because it came out of nowhere. I've never had a girl that seemed this involved, just get this distant and then vanish within the span of 5 days.

Did some detective work and found she had an online dating profile, so it kind of makes sense at least. Still lame...

At least I know, I'm never playing the "take it slow" because she might actually be a "nice girl" thing again.

On the plus side, I didn't turn down sex from an ex earlier this week on account of this girl.