Post: #51

Man Complains to Cops about Prostitute Who Cut His Time Short

Like many of us who encounter poor customer service, Scott Pipher complained. Unfortunately for the New Hampshire man, he was being serviced by a prostitute, and he made his complaint to the police. In a case announced this week, police in Old Orchard Beach, Maine, said Pipher was arrested in March after he called them to complain that a prostitute he hired did “not give him his money's worth,” cutting their session 10 minutes short. Pipher, as well as two alleged prostitutes, were arrested in the subsequent investigation. This wasn’t Pipher’s first paid tryst -- he is listed on national escort databases as a difficult customer. Classy guy.


Now this is too hilarious for words. This guy buys so much pussy that he's on a national escort database? That's quite an accomplishment.

Post: #52

(11-30-2012 07:11 PM)Moma Wrote:  Paying for notches is not considered a conquest because ANYONE can do it. It's okay to order food when you are too tired to cook but there's nothing better and more holistic than catching and cooking your own food, you digz?

Question of the day:

Is it better to game a 2 or pay for a 8? Which act is more socially unacceptable on this forum?

In this forum - the two would take the score, but If i could take the pornstar 8, for 39 euro. I would definetly hit it. The experince would, eventhough the 8, already had 10 cocks up here p hole since morning. And the 2 might had stand stalled, for a while. She could be creepy. So I would go for the 8. Since she has the experince and might do some nice tricks...

Post: #53

You gotta stop using the 1-10 scale to rate the fuckability of women. Would you stick your dick any less deeper in a 2 than you would in an 8? It doesn't make any sense. I put women in two categories, Doable and Dateable. Many women are Doable. Unless of course they're fat or have filthy rotten vaginas. Out of the Doable ones a small percentage are Dateable. Being Dateable has more to do with personality and upbringing(read having some class and not being a filthy whore in public) than looks. They have to earn the privilege of being Dateable.

Post: #54

Madam: Black book will interest fans

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-y...ans-120612

A suburban New York mother who pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution says she plans to write a book that will disclose names.

Following a court appearance Wednesday, Anna Gristina said football fans in particular will be interested in the book. The New York Post reported an NFL executive will be the first name she discloses, possibly in an upcoming interview with TV host psychologist Dr. Phil.

"There is going to be a giant name dropped — actually, a couple of them," Gristina said, laughing when asked if she was implying a connection to the New York Giants.

"Everyone's going to have to watch Dr. Phil," she told the newspaper. "I will tell you that one of the names is high-level (NFL) management. Then there's an older (football) player who's still very well known. Tune in to Dr. Phil!"

And this is what happens when the madams of these high-end hooker services get busted. They give up the black book to cut a deal, or they spill to sell a book and make a buck off of certain clients. Discretion is important ONLY as long as they stay in business. If they get busted, all bets are OFF.

Post: #55

(12-07-2012 10:02 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  Madam: Black book will interest fans

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-y...ans-120612

A suburban New York mother who pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution says she plans to write a book that will disclose names.

Following a court appearance Wednesday, Anna Gristina said football fans in particular will be interested in the book. The New York Post reported an NFL executive will be the first name she discloses, possibly in an upcoming interview with TV host psychologist Dr. Phil.

"There is going to be a giant name dropped — actually, a couple of them," Gristina said, laughing when asked if she was implying a connection to the New York Giants.

"Everyone's going to have to watch Dr. Phil," she told the newspaper. "I will tell you that one of the names is high-level (NFL) management. Then there's an older (football) player who's still very well known. Tune in to Dr. Phil!"

And this is what happens when the madams of these high-end hooker services get busted. They give up the black book to cut a deal, or they spill to sell a book and make a buck off of certain clients. Discretion is important ONLY as long as they stay in business. If they get busted, all bets are OFF.

Why are they giving their real names unless these high end places demand their name upfront to do business?

Post: #56

Higher end providers do better background checks than most employers do.If you give em false info you can pretty much forget about it.Maddams are far worse than pimps in most cases.Pimps respect the game but by virtue of being female maddams can be pretty shady.They may not resort to physical violence to keep a hoe in check but they do play the games females play on a whole nother level than a square broad.Just think of the shadiest slut you've ever met...and multiply her bitch factor by 2.Not to mention their "black books".They use em as their get outta jail free card.A real pimp would keep his mouth shut so that when he's on the street again he can get back to business.

Post: #57

I've been thinking about this. It seems that getting pussy is not impossible (or hard) here but it requires lots of attention and energy (I do have enough money).

I saw a couple prostitutes the last night. They were solid 8.5-9 and they run for like $20 for the whole night. There are cheaper ones (for $6) but not something you'd really want to bang.

Now the question: Is there any reason I shouldn't be doing it? My sex-drive is low. I might need sex just 1 or 2 times a month. This seems much more profitable to me than losing attention and energy on gaming women. I'm 23 and I need the energy as I'll be starting two new businesses by next year.

It seems to me as a winning equation. I've been discussing this with my cousin (we are doing the game together) and he's kind of discouraged. Any clear reasons? As it seems the general opinion here is against prostitution but I find no clear reason.

Post: #58

20$? Shit.
That seems... really low.

Post: #59

(06-17-2014 01:25 PM)conservative Wrote:  I saw a couple prostitutes the last night. They were solid 8.5-9 and they run for like $20 for the whole night. There are cheaper ones (for $6) but not something you'd really want to bang.

In the US a whole night with an 8 would run you $1000 at a minimum. If you could get an hour for $20, that'd still make game a lot less appealing.

Pre-red pill I was somewhat fascinated by the idea of prostitution. Now it's like other guys have said, they're all whores on some level. In the end it's a very expensive way to masturbate. You don't get that feeling of conquest that you get when you talk a girl into your bed.

As for the "national escort database", if you've see an escort in the last 5 years, you're probably in there somewhere. The hos ain't stupid, they vet their customers. They'll ask you for references and check with the chicks you give either in person or online to verify that you are who you say and that you're not a pain in the ass.

Post: #60

It's common for women to trade sex for drugs.

Post: #61

(12-01-2012 06:23 PM)oregonziggy Wrote:  The way I see it we pay for it most of the time. One way or another. Whether we negotiate a fee upfront or dinner, drinks, coffees, concerts or whatever we do to get laid. Pussy rarely is free.

You're a game denialist.

Earlier today, WIA said "game is getting a woman to do what you want". If you've got game, you're not spending anywhere near what it'll cost for an hour with a hooker (let's assume that you can't hire one for $6 / hr).

One of the worst things anyone ever told me is when I graduated college, a friend told me "ah man, now you'll be out making bank, chicks will love it". Terrible fucking advice, because I believed it. I was making good money, and I was doing even worse because at least in college I at least had friends who would do their best to make up for my lack of game. The only lays I got were social circle because everybody knew me as a solid dude and my buddies and their girlfriends worked hard to set me up when they could. Out of college, I fell into p2p for a while because money was the one thing I had.

Now I know better - if she's attracted to you, you don't have to do anything. It won't cost you anything but time. She might be the one buying you gifts.

Every hooker is giving it away to some guy while her johns are paying to support her lifestyle. On top of that, there are some guys hookers won't see. It's a business, and in business, some clients aren't worth it. How fucking bad do you have to be that you can't get a hooker to take your money?

Personally, if you've got the money and enjoy the sex, have at it. In some cases, like you're a CEO and your time is insanely valuable, or you're married, a pro athlete, or politician and you need to be "discreet", it makes some sense (with the downside that any hooker will sell out her black book if it means a reduced sentence).

I've tried it and it didn't work for me. This is why I'm anti p2p, but I'm not going to tell a guy what to do with his cash.

Post: #62

(06-17-2014 04:39 PM)RockHard Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 06:23 PM)oregonziggy Wrote:  The way I see it we pay for it most of the time. One way or another. Whether we negotiate a fee upfront or dinner, drinks, coffees, concerts or whatever we do to get laid. Pussy rarely is free.

You're a game denialist.

Earlier today, WIA said "game is getting a woman to do what you want". If you've got game, you're not spending anywhere near what it'll cost for an hour with a hooker (let's assume that you can't hire one for $6 / hr).

One of the worst things anyone ever told me is when I graduated college, a friend told me "ah man, now you'll be out making bank, chicks will love it". Terrible fucking advice, because I believed it. I was making good money, and I was doing even worse because at least in college I at least had friends who would do their best to make up for my lack of game. The only lays I got were social circle because everybody knew me as a solid dude and my buddies and their girlfriends worked hard to set me up when they could. Out of college, I fell into p2p for a while because money was the one thing I had.

Now I know better - if she's attracted to you, you don't have to do anything. It won't cost you anything but time. She might be the one buying you gifts.

Every hooker is giving it away to some guy while her johns are paying to support her lifestyle. On top of that, there are some guys hookers won't see. It's a business, and in business, some clients aren't worth it. How fucking bad do you have to be that you can't get a hooker to take your money?

Personally, if you've got the money and enjoy the sex, have at it. In some cases, like you're a CEO and your time is insanely valuable, or you're married, a pro athlete, or politician and you need to be "discreet", it makes some sense (with the downside that any hooker will sell out her black book if it means a reduced sentence).

I've tried it and it didn't work for me. This is why I'm anti p2p, but I'm not going to tell a guy what to do with his cash.

I totally agree with you that money does not = bangs. I remember being 24, totally broke and meeting a girl at a 7-Eleven because I went in to get water for the radiator of my overheated piece-of-crap, beat-up Dodge Charger. She found the whole thing amusing. I've also written about my "mall game" that age. No money was no problem.

That said, as I get older I sometimes think P2P should be an option for men over 40 that we support here. There is a saying about prostitutes: you pay them to go away. And while I don't see myself as perusing hooker ads (I'm way too phobic about diseases), I wish I could get some kind of arrangement going with a woman or two where I could, essentially, "pay them to go away."

The reason for this is as you meet women and try to keep up sexual relations, you have to do stuff with them or at least talk to them once in a while. I found they get mad if you ask them to evacuate your place ASAP after sex. If you don't have some diplomacy, they don't come back. And yes, you can meet a new one each week but there is something to be said about building some sexual rapport.

When you get older, it's no longer interesting to spend weekends with a woman at the beach or to listen to her when she has some issue and calls at night. I enjoyed all this interaction at 24; now it seems a pain, or pointless, or cliche. There is a certain magic about the boy-girl stuff from ages 13-30 that simply fades away after that. It did for me, anyway.

Also, when you've been with a woman a while -- even for sex -- there is always that expectation...of something. Relationship...marriage...blah blah blah. I feel the pressure, and it detracts from the experience. It's like the way I couldn't enjoy Sunday nights because I knew I had school the next day.

Funny enough, I came across two women who were into "arrangements" about ten years ago (one of whom is now a successful journalist, which should give you some idea about that field). But back then, I was married, didn't have the money, and found it crass. Now I wonder if this isn't a good option for guys over 40 who simply don't have patience anymore.

Addendum: To people not familiar with me, I should mention a lot of my cynicism about all this comes from my marriage ending and seeing the old house I put money in being lived in by other people. I could see guys hitting 40 and being happy if they have other kinds of lives. There is a certain world-weariness you get from bad experiences, so take my above negativity with grains of salt or whatever.

Post: #63

(06-17-2014 04:07 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  It's common for women to trade sex for drugs.

Stripper game 101. Strippers love drugs. Strippers will "party" with you after to get some. Technically it is still paying for pussy if you feed a stripper or fiend drugs before you smash.

You can take a "normal" bish out to eat, to a movie, the out to drink and then smash. Is she a pro? Are you tricking? Prostitution is a fine line.

We have all been to Thailand or DR and smashed for free thinking this was easy. Only to wake up and the bish wants money for her family in Essan, food to eat, or money for a taxi home. Do you throw her something or kick her out? Has happen to me there times. Twice I told them I am too young and pretty to be a trick. Take you ass to one of them old white men. Thai bishes love young dick. Change of pace. Don't have to worry about a pacemaker haha.

In the end, probably 80 percent of your lays cost something. Either you pay her direct or pay for the food, drinks, cab ride or that pussy. I think Giovonny had a great take on it. I forgot the quote I wanted to use though.

Post: #64

I don't really see a girl who makes $10 a day asking for taxi money after she hung out with you all night and banged you being wrong or her trying to hustle you. If the taxi costs $10 and you know that's how much she makes in a day, why wouldn't you want to pay for it? Even if it was a guy friend of mine, I'd pay for their taxi if they made $10 a day. I can make 10 in 2 minutes. It's just different in poor places.

If a girl asks me for something unreasonable then it's over. But I don't mind treating a girl to some drinks and dinner. I said this in another thread. Id rather spend the extra $5-10 eating with a hot Latin babe than eat by myself. Plus, what are you gonna ask the girl to pay for her $10 meal when that's a days worth of work for her?

Not all the girls you meet are going to want to hang with you just because of your money. It's just they don't have the money to do the things you'll want to do if you're a middle- upper class American. I know I like to eat at nice places and spend a little money when I travel. I either do it alone or pay for the girl to come. I prefer to eat with company than by myself most of the time.

Post: #65

(06-17-2014 01:25 PM)conservative Wrote:  I've been thinking about this. It seems that getting pussy is not impossible (or hard) here but it requires lots of attention and energy (I do have enough money).

I saw a couple prostitutes the last night. They were solid 8.5-9 and they run for like $20 for the whole night. There are cheaper ones (for $6) but not something you'd really want to bang.

Now the question: Is there any reason I shouldn't be doing it? My sex-drive is low. I might need sex just 1 or 2 times a month. This seems much more profitable to me than losing attention and energy on gaming women. I'm 23 and I need the energy as I'll be starting two new businesses by next year.

It seems to me as a winning equation. I've been discussing this with my cousin (we are doing the game together) and he's kind of discouraged. Any clear reasons? As it seems the general opinion here is against prostitution but I find no clear reason.

Reasons against, in no particular order:
1. you don't get to work on your game
2. the experience likely won't be quite as good as it would be with a girl you pull simply because the latter is actually into you as opposed to your wallet. But some pros are great and some regular girls are dead fish.
3. legal concerns, depending on country/location

A couple of cons I wouldn't count:
1. black book risk - easy to avoid - don't go to a girl/agency that requires your real name
2. STD risk - at least with a pro, you know to always wrap it up. With a regular girl, it's a lot easier to convince yourself she's 'clean' and go bareback

Reasons for: basically what you said. It's your money and your time. Decide where you are getting the most enjoyment for your money/time.

(06-17-2014 01:25 PM)conservative Wrote:  I saw a couple prostitutes the last night. They were solid 8.5-9 and they run for like $20 for the whole night.

Finally, where do you live and does an American need a visa to enter?

Post: #66

I see no problem with it provided it does not become a crutch for working on your game. I also have very little interest in going to a prostitute in my home country because of the high prices: women already place far too much value on their pussies (they're really not that special, there are hundreds of millions of them in the world) and $200+ hour is ridiculous unless you're made of money. Any increase in demand will only lead to increases in price.

However If I'm going to a place where my purchasing power is greatly magnified (Philippines, Thailand, DR), why not? Funnily enough in most of these sorts of places you're already a great catch if you're one of the 'great white lords' so it reduces the need for p4p significantly. That said I have only done p4p once - for a threesome (still working on organising one through game alone) - and found it a little unfulfilling. I literally forgot what they told me their names were five minutes after it was over.

Post: #67

I'd wager a 50% of italian men have been at least once with a prostitute/escort in their lifetime.
for some reason, unlike US feminists, italian feminists are mostly sex negative and consider prostitution an exploitation of women no matter what. must be the presence of Vatican who someway influenced them in their bigoted perspective on sex.

Post: #68

In America, probably about 20-25%.

If you count men who've exchanged rides or drugs or rent payment or anything of value for sex,
perhaps 30-40%.

At least in America, paying for sex is seen as shameful and degrading for the man.

Post: #69

(11-29-2012 11:31 AM)Divorco Wrote:  I automatically presume sex workers when posters claim they have sex with ten new foreign women per month with no language skills.

Even guys with language skills will often go for p4p. We pretty much know where the p4p hubs are around the world.

Some guys are soft and don't mind paying for false love. Some guys don't want to pay and feel they are smooth enough to manipulate the situation in their favor. Some guys pay but don't want love, just control.

One thing I learned a long time ago is that a lot of men have more money than patience, so its easier to pay for control.

Post: #70

I use P4P to subsidize my main strategy: Quality over quantity. No disrespect to parlay 44, but at my age, I don't have the interest or the energy to do anything less than a solid 7.5 or 8. So, i'll do those, the ones I can get on my own. Then I will occasionally use P4P to get with a solid 9+. For example, a top-flight pornstar. Or, a super stunning high-end (non pornstar) escort. The sort of girls that charge $1,000-2,000 for an hour. Obviously, I don't do that often - it would be a waste of money. But if I can pick up 1-2 8+ girls a month on my own, spend 4-5 months in a short term relationship with an 8+ girl, and hit up 2-3 9+ girls a year via P4P...I think that's a good year. Lather, rinse, repeat. I did the marriage thing when younger and I find that is the path to sexual non-fulfillment: Most wives seem to put on a little weight within 18 months ...not a ton, just enough to be less appealing naked. And, just the thought that this is supposed to be the ONLY pussy you get the rest of your life is a boner-killer. I find my new strategy of reasonable quantity and great quality to be perfect for a man my age.

Post: #71

Going to prostitutes is very common here for married men. It's very accessible, and much more open than in the US. Though now with the Conservative government trying to push through an anti prostitution bill, the situation is liable to change. As a rough estimate, 75% of the married guys I know have either openly admitted going to prostitutes or seem to know enough about it that I can infer they are regular customers.

Post: #72

(06-27-2014 10:10 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  Going to prostitutes is very common here for married men. It's very accessible, and much more open than in the US. Though now with the Conservative government trying to push through an anti prostitution bill, the situation is liable to change. As a rough estimate, 75% of the married guys I know have either openly admitted going to prostitutes or seem to know enough about it that I can infer they are regular customers.

Where is this, if you dont mind?

Post: #73

(06-27-2014 10:14 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 10:10 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  Going to prostitutes is very common here for married men. It's very accessible, and much more open than in the US. Though now with the Conservative government trying to push through an anti prostitution bill, the situation is liable to change. As a rough estimate, 75% of the married guys I know have either openly admitted going to prostitutes or seem to know enough about it that I can infer they are regular customers.

Where is this, if you dont mind?

Canada/Ontario. Going to rub and tug massage parlours, is probably even more common.

Post: #74

As you get older and get married, P4P is crucial. If you care about your wife and want to keep a stable marriage for your kids (and you should fight with everything you can to avoid divorce, which will destroy your children for years) then prostitution is absolutely wonderful.

The reason is, as a man you have instincts to hunt strange pussy. As a husband you know that you WILL be discovered and your wife, no matter how dedicated and intelligent, will be very tempted to divorce you. Your urge to stray is dangerous, but you can't just ignore it. Plus, hey man, you gotta enjoy a little wildness now and then.

P4P allows you to satisfy your primal urge in a MUCH more discreet way. You are much better odds of evading detection, because, the whore is just as concerned with discretion as you are.

I have told several local providers that "you are doing a great service for married men. Be proud".

Personally i prefer FBSM (hand job massage) because you don't actually have to put your penis in a strange girls pussy (ick). Also here in the SF area you can get Submissive gals for dirt cheap to dominate, which is also widely enjoyed.

SF and LA are amazing compared to the rest of the US. Huge selection, almost no law enforcement problems. The east coast is horrible. Canada wonderful.

The internet has revolutionized whoring. Escort boards allow young girls to do it with almost no danger of arrest.

Post: #75

(06-28-2014 11:43 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  I have told several local providers that "you are doing a great service for married men. Be proud".

Why get married if you need stray pussy?