Post: #126

(05-24-2014 12:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 09:59 AM)Samseau Wrote:  He knew about Game. If he had an account on PUAHATE then he knew about game. He was just a denialist. There was no helping this dude.

It looks like we have our first data point that game denialism kills.

Post: #127

(05-24-2014 11:41 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  And hate the idle pleasures of these days.

This would make for an excellent slogan for PUAHate, and all their assorted soulmates.

Post: #128

"It looks like we have our first data point that game denialism kills."

It's not game denialism - he and his ilk don't necessarily deny that game works. They resent having to become something they claim to despise (eg a douchebag) in order to get play. They resent that they lack the character that is needed to get what they want.

Post: #129

smh

Post: #130

(05-24-2014 12:16 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 12:14 PM)Ensam Wrote:  One thing I'm curious about is how people found out who this guy was so quickly. The police haven't released his name yet - but it clearly seems to be the guy.

It's confirmed: http://abcnews.go.com/US/killed-mass-mur...d=23853918

Quote:Here's one possible angle:

Don't give them ideas.

Yeah, just saw that. But people knew who he was as early as 5am PST (when I first heard about it) and likely much earlier given how quickly BBF was scrubbed.

Post: #131

(05-24-2014 06:56 AM)Icarus Wrote:  Looks like the guy was on Puahate...

The forum is down for "maintenance".

Post: #132

Wow, I wonder if the federalis are going to start cracking down on incels and angry betas.

Post: #133

It might be the same old story. Young guy with problems sank into psychosis.

Adolescence and young adult years are the times for schizophrenic breaks. The guy was probably hearing voices.

Lanza, Holmes, Loughner, Cho are recent examples.

It really is a mystery why this guy didn't have a harem or at least a 7 girlfriend. As Days of Broken Arrows said, he must have been so "off" he was repellent despite good looks, social status and that BMW.

Post: #134

That moment when PUAHate becomes more (in)famous than RVF.... I give them a week tops before the website gets shut down.

Post: #135

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/24...-Movement#

Well that was quick:

Quote:SAT MAY 24, 2014 AT 07:51 AM PDT
Elliot Rodger, Gunman in California Mass Shooting, was influenced by the "Men's Rights Movement"
byOllieGarkeyFollow
Email 95 Comments / 95 New
Trigger Warning: Violence against Women

Last Night in Santa Barbara California, a Gunman in a BMW opened fire on students near the UC Santa Barbara campus in Isla Vista. Seven are dead including the gunman, with a further seven injured.

The Gunman's Name is Elliot Rodger. Last night, he posted a chilling manifesto to youtube. Announcing that he is a 22 year old Virgin who has never been kissed he says:

"It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls have never been attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime, because I don't know what you don't see in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me, the supreme gentleman."
"I will punish all of you for it," he says again, and then he laughs.

"On the day of retribution I will enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB, and I will slaughter every single spoiled stuck up blonde slut I see inside there. All those girls that I've desired so much, they would have all rejected me and looked down upon me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them. While they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes. I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one. The true Alpha Male."

The true Alpha Male. What those who call themselves the Mens Rights Movement aspire to be.
The Men's Rights Movement as they call themselves is a nebulous group of pickup artists and misogynists who've found each other on line, and are attempting to create a movement based around their hatred, disdain, and fear of women.

We know for a fact that Rodgers was influenced by this movement, as he is subscribed to multiple "pick up artist" or "mens rights" channels on YouTube. (For those here that don't use YouTube, when a user subscribes to a channel, they receive notifications when that channel posts a new video.)

They include:

"The Player Supreme Show" which rails against the feminization of men and talks about how to pick up women.

"RSDfreetour" which is a series of self-help seminars run by RSD Nation, a "pick up artist" site.

There's also a user called McHenry Cruiser who in addition to being a pickup artist is a comedian who has some kind of beef with Louis CK, and another called "Squatting Cassanova," who seems to be your average PUA.

I'm still digging through some of the folks he's subscribed to.

He is what the Men's Rights movement calls an "Incel" which is short for involuntary celibacy. It's a hot topic in various parts of the manosphere.

Rather than seeking mental help for some obvious issues, he sought out the Men's Rights Movement. He watched their propaganda. He internalized their hatred of women. (There's no shortage of anti-woman rhetoric and nonsense. For some of the worst of it, check out The Red Pill's "Pussy Pass" forum, where they take isolated incidents, remove them from any rational context, and blow them way out of proportion.)

He listened to these guys talk about being hard, and tough, and true alpha men. He did what they told them, and began lifting weights. We know he had an account on body building forum which was recently deleted by their moderation team.

So this kid who needed some serious mental help sought out the destructive, BS views coming from the men's rights movement. He felt entitled to sex with women. He blamed women for not providing him with sex. He exposed himself to hateful rhetoric about women.

And then he acted on that hatred, and targeted college girls for a drive-by shooting, killed six, wounded seven, and then shot himself.

I don't think we should be at all surprised that when hateful rhetoric is trained on any group, lone wolves like this guy get triggered.

Post: #136

How about the NSA angle? If the NSA et al can't catch a dude making fucking death threats on public youtube videos, how good can they be at the stuff we don't know about?

Guaranteed that the feds, like others have said, are going to be surveiling incels a shit ton now. Shooters in the past may have been incels but were never formerly explicitly linked to the community online. Now that's changed.

Post: #137

(05-24-2014 12:22 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Well that was quick:

Quote:SAT MAY 24, 2014 AT 07:51 AM PDT
Elliot Rodger, Gunman in California Mass Shooting, was influenced by the "Men's Rights Movement"
byOllieGarkeyFollow
Email 95 Comments / 95 New
Trigger Warning: Violence against Women

Last Night in Santa Barbara California, a Gunman in a BMW opened fire on students near the UC Santa Barbara campus in Isla Vista. Seven are dead including the gunman, with a further seven injured.

The Gunman's Name is Elliot Rodger. Last night, he posted a chilling manifesto to youtube. Announcing that he is a 22 year old Virgin who has never been kissed he says:

"It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls have never been attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime, because I don't know what you don't see in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me, the supreme gentleman."
"I will punish all of you for it," he says again, and then he laughs.

"On the day of retribution I will enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB, and I will slaughter every single spoiled stuck up blonde slut I see inside there. All those girls that I've desired so much, they would have all rejected me and looked down upon me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them. While they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes. I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one. The true Alpha Male."

The true Alpha Male. What those who call themselves the Mens Rights Movement aspire to be.
The Men's Rights Movement as they call themselves is a nebulous group of pickup artists and misogynists who've found each other on line, and are attempting to create a movement based around their hatred, disdain, and fear of women.

We know for a fact that Rodgers was influenced by this movement, as he is subscribed to multiple "pick up artist" or "mens rights" channels on YouTube. (For those here that don't use YouTube, when a user subscribes to a channel, they receive notifications when that channel posts a new video.)

They include:

"The Player Supreme Show" which rails against the feminization of men and talks about how to pick up women.

"RSDfreetour" which is a series of self-help seminars run by RSD Nation, a "pick up artist" site.

There's also a user called McHenry Cruiser who in addition to being a pickup artist is a comedian who has some kind of beef with Louis CK, and another called "Squatting Cassanova," who seems to be your average PUA.

I'm still digging through some of the folks he's subscribed to.

He is what the Men's Rights movement calls an "Incel" which is short for involuntary celibacy. It's a hot topic in various parts of the manosphere.

Rather than seeking mental help for some obvious issues, he sought out the Men's Rights Movement. He watched their propaganda. He internalized their hatred of women. (There's no shortage of anti-woman rhetoric and nonsense. For some of the worst of it, check out The Red Pill's "Pussy Pass" forum, where they take isolated incidents, remove them from any rational context, and blow them way out of proportion.)

He listened to these guys talk about being hard, and tough, and true alpha men. He did what they told them, and began lifting weights. We know he had an account on body building forum which was recently deleted by their moderation team.

So this kid who needed some serious mental help sought out the destructive, BS views coming from the men's rights movement. He felt entitled to sex with women. He blamed women for not providing him with sex. He exposed himself to hateful rhetoric about women.

And then he acted on that hatred, and targeted college girls for a drive-by shooting, killed six, wounded seven, and then shot himself.

I don't think we should be at all surprised that when hateful rhetoric is trained on any group, lone wolves like this guy get triggered.

TAGS

Link?

Post: #138

(05-24-2014 12:22 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Well that was quick:

Quote:SAT MAY 24, 2014 AT 07:51 AM PDT
Elliot Rodger, Gunman in California Mass Shooting, was influenced by the "Men's Rights Movement"
byOllieGarkeyFollow
Email 95 Comments / 95 New
Trigger Warning: Violence against Women

Last Night in Santa Barbara California, a Gunman in a BMW opened fire on students near the UC Santa Barbara campus in Isla Vista. Seven are dead including the gunman, with a further seven injured.

The Gunman's Name is Elliot Rodger. Last night, he posted a chilling manifesto to youtube. Announcing that he is a 22 year old Virgin who has never been kissed he says:

"It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls have never been attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime, because I don't know what you don't see in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me, the supreme gentleman."
"I will punish all of you for it," he says again, and then he laughs.

"On the day of retribution I will enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB, and I will slaughter every single spoiled stuck up blonde slut I see inside there. All those girls that I've desired so much, they would have all rejected me and looked down upon me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them. While they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes. I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one. The true Alpha Male."

The true Alpha Male. What those who call themselves the Mens Rights Movement aspire to be.
The Men's Rights Movement as they call themselves is a nebulous group of pickup artists and misogynists who've found each other on line, and are attempting to create a movement based around their hatred, disdain, and fear of women.

We know for a fact that Rodgers was influenced by this movement, as he is subscribed to multiple "pick up artist" or "mens rights" channels on YouTube. (For those here that don't use YouTube, when a user subscribes to a channel, they receive notifications when that channel posts a new video.)

They include:

"The Player Supreme Show" which rails against the feminization of men and talks about how to pick up women.

"RSDfreetour" which is a series of self-help seminars run by RSD Nation, a "pick up artist" site.

There's also a user called McHenry Cruiser who in addition to being a pickup artist is a comedian who has some kind of beef with Louis CK, and another called "Squatting Cassanova," who seems to be your average PUA.

I'm still digging through some of the folks he's subscribed to.

He is what the Men's Rights movement calls an "Incel" which is short for involuntary celibacy. It's a hot topic in various parts of the manosphere.

Rather than seeking mental help for some obvious issues, he sought out the Men's Rights Movement. He watched their propaganda. He internalized their hatred of women. (There's no shortage of anti-woman rhetoric and nonsense. For some of the worst of it, check out The Red Pill's "Pussy Pass" forum, where they take isolated incidents, remove them from any rational context, and blow them way out of proportion.)

He listened to these guys talk about being hard, and tough, and true alpha men. He did what they told them, and began lifting weights. We know he had an account on body building forum which was recently deleted by their moderation team.

So this kid who needed some serious mental help sought out the destructive, BS views coming from the men's rights movement. He felt entitled to sex with women. He blamed women for not providing him with sex. He exposed himself to hateful rhetoric about women.

And then he acted on that hatred, and targeted college girls for a drive-by shooting, killed six, wounded seven, and then shot himself.

I don't think we should be at all surprised that when hateful rhetoric is trained on any group, lone wolves like this guy get triggered.

TAGS

Didn't take them long to post a bunch of BULLSHIT! The mainstream sources are going to go nuts with this.

Post: #139

"Here's a guy who really thinks he's entitled to anything he wants, probably because his parents gave him whatever he asked for. He never had to make friends, he was just left to his own devices to turn into this ridiculous freak-like personification of American culture."

For a non-natural, being in the monied set is really the worst thing that can happen to you. Because you're deprived of any genuine experiences that can give you character, and really don't have the tools to seek them out. The only thing this guy could have done to save himself would have been to throw it all away and just disappear. That's a hard thing to do. To walk away.

Failing that all he had was the modern gynocracy to fall back on. And the message there for lesser betas is basically to kill yourself.

I'm not surprised this shit happened. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

Post: #140

(05-24-2014 12:22 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Well that was quick:

Quote:SAT MAY 24, 2014 AT 07:51 AM PDT
Elliot Rodger, Gunman in California Mass Shooting, was influenced by the "Men's Rights Movement"
byOllieGarkeyFollow
Email 95 Comments / 95 New
Trigger Warning: Violence against Women

Last Night in Santa Barbara California, a Gunman in a BMW opened fire on students near the UC Santa Barbara campus in Isla Vista. Seven are dead including the gunman, with a further seven injured.

The Gunman's Name is Elliot Rodger. Last night, he posted a chilling manifesto to youtube. Announcing that he is a 22 year old Virgin who has never been kissed he says:

"It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls have never been attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime, because I don't know what you don't see in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me, the supreme gentleman."
"I will punish all of you for it," he says again, and then he laughs.

"On the day of retribution I will enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB, and I will slaughter every single spoiled stuck up blonde slut I see inside there. All those girls that I've desired so much, they would have all rejected me and looked down upon me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them. While they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes. I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one. The true Alpha Male."

The true Alpha Male. What those who call themselves the Mens Rights Movement aspire to be.
The Men's Rights Movement as they call themselves is a nebulous group of pickup artists and misogynists who've found each other on line, and are attempting to create a movement based around their hatred, disdain, and fear of women.

We know for a fact that Rodgers was influenced by this movement, as he is subscribed to multiple "pick up artist" or "mens rights" channels on YouTube. (For those here that don't use YouTube, when a user subscribes to a channel, they receive notifications when that channel posts a new video.)

They include:

"The Player Supreme Show" which rails against the feminization of men and talks about how to pick up women.

"RSDfreetour" which is a series of self-help seminars run by RSD Nation, a "pick up artist" site.

There's also a user called McHenry Cruiser who in addition to being a pickup artist is a comedian who has some kind of beef with Louis CK, and another called "Squatting Cassanova," who seems to be your average PUA.

I'm still digging through some of the folks he's subscribed to.

He is what the Men's Rights movement calls an "Incel" which is short for involuntary celibacy. It's a hot topic in various parts of the manosphere.

Rather than seeking mental help for some obvious issues, he sought out the Men's Rights Movement. He watched their propaganda. He internalized their hatred of women. (There's no shortage of anti-woman rhetoric and nonsense. For some of the worst of it, check out The Red Pill's "Pussy Pass" forum, where they take isolated incidents, remove them from any rational context, and blow them way out of proportion.)

He listened to these guys talk about being hard, and tough, and true alpha men. He did what they told them, and began lifting weights. We know he had an account on body building forum which was recently deleted by their moderation team.

So this kid who needed some serious mental help sought out the destructive, BS views coming from the men's rights movement. He felt entitled to sex with women. He blamed women for not providing him with sex. He exposed himself to hateful rhetoric about women.

And then he acted on that hatred, and targeted college girls for a drive-by shooting, killed six, wounded seven, and then shot himself.

I don't think we should be at all surprised that when hateful rhetoric is trained on any group, lone wolves like this guy get triggered.

TAGS

That's blatantly inaccurate and fucked up. I have a nasty feeling the feds may start investigating us, even though we had nothing to do with this bitch.

Post: #141

Screenshot from his youtube page, I'm trying to grab the videos before it gets taken down. WTF happened to this guy in the last 24 hours? He went from "sunny day, beach drive" video to full on hate.


(apologize if the image is too large, let me know and i'll re-host or re-size)

Post: #142

Link for that article linking Elliot to the Men's Right's Movement: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/24...s-Movement

Edit: It seems the Red Pill Reddit is now taking down stuff about Elliot too, along with the censorship on the Misc and PUA Hate.

Post: #143

ROK should come out with an article asap detailing how his game denialism failed him.

Whenever I deal with frustrated virgins with tons of self loathing I tell them:

"There are and have been girls out there that have masturbated/fantasized about you"

Someone told me the above epiphany when I was a frustrated depressed 15yo virgin, complete 180 after hearing that.

Post: #144

(05-24-2014 12:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 12:00 PM)Vicious Wrote:  Unfortunately I believe that the Puahate connection means that this will ultimately be blamed on the PUA scene in the mainstream media.

I'd like to see them try to link us to a member of an ANTI-game site when we are pro-game. I'll be ready for that. Besides, the forum is clean, with no promotion of illegal acts, violence acts, etc.

Yeah, they won't be able to pigeonhole PUAs into any responsibility here. His resentment goes towards ALL men and ALL women that are doing the mating dance that he finds so repulsive.

Game is a tricky thing. Game, at its core, forces a man to take accountability of his own dating life. This young man, confronted with the reality that his sexual market value is much lower than he'd prefer, decided to deny that reality and delve into an alternate reality where HE is a god and everyone ELSE are scum.

How many of us have been called arrogant by women we pick up? I hear it all the time. And I certainly do project a self-confidence that borders on arrogance. But the truth is we all deal with rejection on a constant basis. Going out and approaching women keeps your ego in check REAL quick. We get ego boosts from our successes and we get ego reality checks from our failures.

A true narcissist isn't capable of allowing that ego reality check. In their world, they are the most beautiful, intelligent, and worthy. This leads to a highly alienated state which breeds more and more resentment towards other humans, resulting in homicidal fantasies. Push it further down the spiral and those fantasies eventually turn to reality.

Game saves lives not because it gets men laid, but because it forces them to take accountability. It teaches that your successes and failures are entirely your responsibility, and that to increase your successes with women requires some degree of change to your outward presentation. This model of thinking is simply not compatible with a true narcissist.

As rational men we all look towards solutions for situations like these, but unfortunately there are none. In any species there are always outliers and bad apples. We assume that all humans are born with free will and a healthy, rational mind, but this is not so. You can't force someone to take the red pill, it requires a certain something, a certain willingness to change ones perceptions and paradigms.

I remember the car massacre in 2001, I was partying in Isla Vista somewhat frequently during that time. I can't find any articles confirming it but I remember hearing that kid was a total weirdo too. Interesting coincidence that his dad had Hollywood ties.

I look at events like these through the lens of socioeconomics. Our capitalist society is a very competitive one, and perhaps nowhere else on earth is the alpha/beta male dynamic so strong as the U.S. Producing legions of dominant "brutes" that get 80% of the pussy will inevitably leave hordes of bitter, disenchanted, and disillusioned men behind. Give them access to guns, and you've got a very nasty formula. I don't see it changing anytime soon.

Post: #145

Yeah, I don't think members of the media are going to do a particularly good job of distinguishing between PUAHate and any other 'manosphere' site. They all just get lumped into one misogynistic mess in their minds. To make matters worse members of PUAHate are often simultaneously members of more legit sites - either out of some form of obsession or to troll. In particular

Quote:"The Player Supreme Show" which rails against the feminization of men and talks about how to pick up women.

"RSDfreetour" which is a series of self-help seminars run by RSD Nation, a "pick up artist" site.

There's also a user called McHenry Cruiser who in addition to being a pickup artist is a comedian who has some kind of beef with Louis CK, and another called "Squatting Cassanova," who seems to be your average PUA.

Dude was clearly game aware and that's a damning enough link these days.

Similar to the way certain genres of music or fashion sensibilities were demonized after Columbine. Guilt by association (even if it's an association you weren't aware of or wanted to have).

Post: #146

Let's call a spade a spade. The left can't admit it's the shooters fault because it would a blow a hole in a their narrative; that guns are bad, people need anti-depressants, and feminization is right and necessary. You will find stories like this cropping up all over with damn "trigger warnings" so that the politically correct crowd can find something to be offended by and thereby focus their ire on that instead of the problem which their fragile ego does not allow them to acknowledge is with their own belief system, lest they lose their minds. Political Correctness defined: "people who want to be offended by something so they come up with something to be offended about"

Post: #147

I Googled "Santa Barbara shooting PUA" and that was the first article that popped up. From the Daily Kos.

Yeah completely inaccurate.

Especially:

Quote:Rather than seeking mental help for some obvious issues, he sought out the Men's Rights Movement.

1. He rejected the "Men's Rights Movement" thus his membership on PUAHate.

2. He was being seen by a bevy of therapist (and probably pumped up with pharmaceuticals). From ABC

Quote:The 22-year-old was being treated by multiple therapists and was a student at a community college in Santa Barbara.

Post: #148

(05-24-2014 12:19 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  "It looks like we have our first data point that game denialism kills."

It's not game denialism - he and his ilk don't necessarily deny that game works. They resent having to become something they claim to despise (eg a douchebag) in order to get play. They resent that they lack the character that is needed to get what they want.

Even more than either of these things, the real madness lies in recognizing the nature of women, but refusing to accept it for what it is.

All these men, through the hyper-efficient disclosure of reality enabled by the Internet and by the testimony of their own five senses, recognize that women are simple animal creatures who are haplessly drawn to thugs and delight in whoring and depravity.

Yet while recognizing this irrefutable fact, these men are possessed by a terrible desire and need for it to be otherwise -- since they also feel that validation by these very creatures whose nature has been so thoroughly disclosed to them is the one good worth living and dying for, the one thing that will complete them as men.

While most are not driven to outright homicidal insanity by this tension and internal contradiction, there are many, many otherwise sane men who are driven to lifelong misery and distraction by it. And this manifests itself in many ways.

If only men could recognize the nature of women and then accept it for what it is -- and even take positive pleasure in their simplicity, amorality, and easy depravity. But that is not how it usually goes.

Post: #149

(05-24-2014 12:29 PM)player Wrote:  Link for that article linking Elliot to the Men's Right's Movement: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/24...s-Movement

Naturally it's the DailyKos. A left wing, liberal ideology pushing void of coherent human thought

Post: #150

I don't think this incident will have repercussions on any society, whether it's PUAs, PUA Hate or manosphere. A good number of more guys snapping like this and killing tens of people would lead to some groundbreaking changes that I believe would have positive outcomes. Because I blame the feminists and the progressives for this. This is the world they've created by promoting self-entitlement for women and prison penalties for any man who wanted to have healthy polygamous lifestyle. It's because of them that a very little percantage of men has sexual access to a very large percentage of women. Just compare this to Eastern Europe where the dating market is healtier and not monopolized by few cocky alphas, and you'll see the role involvement that feminism has in this incident.