Gents,

Trying to hold frame, chick finds me on POF says "You're funny, I like you...lol. We should hang out" proceeded by screen shot

bio says i love spontaneity

I'm a bit suspicious could be troll job or catfish, or something else. Since typically girls don't message first, and are that up front. I'm hoping its a quick DTF tonight.

She seems to not want to go to place I told her to meet me "but I've already been there" sounds odd to say.

Problem:

Need to hold frame, want to keep my plans at the bar or local to me, logistically speaking the bar is a 2 min drive from house.

No trying to scare the cat, I don't want to come off as thirst either. I'm not calling her, I'm texting because I'm at work.

(05-09-2014 04:09 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Gents,

Trying to hold frame, chick finds me on POF says "You're funny, I like you...lol. We should hang out" proceeded by screen shot

bio says i love spontaneity

I'm a bit suspicious could be troll job or catfish, or something else. Since typically girls don't message first, and are that up front. I'm hoping its a quick DTF tonight.

She seems to not want to go to place I told her to meet me "but I've already been there" sounds odd to say.

Problem:

Need to hold frame, want to keep my plans at the bar or local to me, logistically speaking the bar is a 2 min drive from house.

No trying to scare the cat, I don't want to come off as thirst either. I'm not calling her, I'm texting because I'm at work.

How old is she? Check her number on WhitePage and see if it's from GoogleVoice. See if her number links you to her FB or Instagram if you think it's catfish.

Suggest another bar near your place then venue change and bounce back?

Meet somewhere closer to her then bounce? Chicks are usually more agreeable once they have alcohol in their system

(05-09-2014 05:06 PM)wandenreich Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:09 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Gents,

Trying to hold frame, chick finds me on POF says "You're funny, I like you...lol. We should hang out" proceeded by screen shot

bio says i love spontaneity

I'm a bit suspicious could be troll job or catfish, or something else. Since typically girls don't message first, and are that up front. I'm hoping its a quick DTF tonight.

She seems to not want to go to place I told her to meet me "but I've already been there" sounds odd to say.

Problem:

Need to hold frame, want to keep my plans at the bar or local to me, logistically speaking the bar is a 2 min drive from house.

No trying to scare the cat, I don't want to come off as thirst either. I'm not calling her, I'm texting because I'm at work.

How old is she? Check her number on WhitePage and see if it's from GoogleVoice. See if her number links you to her FB or Instagram if you think it's catfish.

Suggest another bar near your place then venue change and bounce back?

Meet somewhere closer to her then bounce? Chicks are usually more agreeable once they have alcohol in their system

Negatory, not a google number. Realized she's got a kid, big ass tits but a bit chub prolly 6. I said fuck it and just called the number, heard dudes in the background (something just seemed off about the call and the way the phone sounded when she picked up)

Hey Amanda
Whose This
Kaotic
Oh I told you to call me not text me, I'm already doing something right now, call me back later.
-I hangup, don't even respond-
Text back " lol lameee..."

Looked like she was either just trolling and fucking with people with her friends. Best case she was looking for an asap dtf, but im nowhere near home and at work.

Already texted back ups and got another number off OKC.

Guess you gotta be in the right place at the right time, but honestly my gut was telling me something wasn't right, and it wasn't the adrenaline pumping either.

Live and learn !

No.
She was just lookin for validation.
She made u jump through too many hoops....and never gave anything in return.

See, always remember this Kaotic ( especially with chicks you don't know, and doubly more so for girls who approach you first/weirdballs/unfeminine/post wall/over 30 chicks.....

Treat them with a bit of circumspection when they ask you to do something,even the slightest. Dont say no directly, but avoid, delay, obfuscate, tease and confuse. Get her to do something for you instead, however small and take it forward from there.

If she willingly concedes to your frame, shes genuinely interested in you.

Subtle power tactics, not exactly roxket science but extremely useful.

Context: Three days in three weeks with over 1,000 texts exchanged. Got the farthest in the first date, with some fingering but insurmountable (for me, probably not for you players) LMR. Got less far the next two dates. Texting less frequent too. She goes out of town for a week, doesn't text me until she's back for two days saying hey, did I see you at X coffee shop?

I realize maybe I stopped gaming because I thought she was really into me/pursuing me around date one (and frankly before the LMR, I thought I was out of her league). So I give it a solid 3 days and say, yeah that was me. what's up? Nothing back since. It's been about 3 more days.

What's an idea for a solid restart text? I think maybe something more sexual? I was much more forward earlier when things were going better.

Also, I should mention, this is a smart Jewish girl from a good background.

(05-09-2014 10:57 PM)flavoraddict Wrote:  Context: Three days in three weeks with over 1,000 texts exchanged. Got the farthest in the first date, with some fingering but insurmountable (for me, probably not for you players) LMR. Got less far the next two dates. Texting less frequent too. She goes out of town for a week, doesn't text me until she's back for two days saying hey, did I see you at X coffee shop?

I realize maybe I stopped gaming because I thought she was really into me/pursuing me around date one (and frankly before the LMR, I thought I was out of her league). So I give it a solid 3 days and say, yeah that was me. what's up? Nothing back since. It's been about 3 more days.

What's an idea for a solid restart text? I think maybe something more sexual? I was much more forward earlier when things were going better.

Also, I should mention, this is a smart Jewish girl from a good background.

Eject.

Eject.

Eject.

That's insane. Over 1,000 texts exchanged?

Hell to the motherfuckin no.

Flirt - Logistics - Setup Meet

If after the FIRST meet she's not responding well to your texts, or initiating texts, than move on.

You should already have other prospects so you shouldn't even be thinking about this.

Take my 30 Approaches in 30 Days Challenge. That's only 1 a day. I can guarantee, you'll have at least 3-4 contacts to work on after a month.

Remember gents, you can lead a girl to your cock, but you can't make her suck it. Move on.

Thanks CMQ. I probably should have cut her off but it seemed just polite to respond. She was asking me loads of questions and telling me about her day.

I've got other prospects - a girl coming over tomorrow night to cook dinner. I just liked this present girl the best - she seemed like girlfriend material (which is what I'm looking for). I do understand though that the best way to find a high quality gf is from a place of abundance. I just forget that simple point a lot.

Thanks again. Moving on.

(05-09-2014 08:26 PM)Sharkie Wrote:  No.
She was just lookin for validation.
She made u jump through too many hoops....and never gave anything in return.

See, always remember this Kaotic ( especially with chicks you don't know, and doubly more so for girls who approach you first/weirdballs/unfeminine/post wall/over 30 chicks.....

Treat them with a bit of circumspection when they ask you to do something,even the slightest. Dont say no directly, but avoid, delay, obfuscate, tease and confuse. Get her to do something for you instead, however small and take it forward from there.

If she willingly concedes to your frame, shes genuinely interested in you.

Subtle power tactics, not exactly roxket science but extremely useful.

UPDATE: I deleted her number send her a message calling her out simply on POF, She immediately calls me, we meet up at 8:30, I pick her and drive a quarter mile to a local bar (my friends house is about a mile, so I could've ejected if need be)

She's curvy, short, BIG ASS TITS, bummer horrible scars on one arm from some accident, all the guys at the bar were staring at her, even a dude creeped and took a pic, saw me stare him down with a smirk on my face, he later comes up and compliments my button up kissing my ass, thinking i was going to scrap him. All the dudes couldn't help but stare, I was just laughing the entire time lol.

Anyways we grab a few drinks, eject from the bar, demands she smoke in my car, i told her to fuck off, and i grab some tall cans head to my house, play drinking games, get her topless......then shit becomes weird. The drunker she got the more shit she told me....

Allegedly, she danced for a little bit and was also an escort, oh and she has a kid and is divorced. Also threw out she was married to a Hell's Angles member and then dated a prospect.

Her hamster goes into full overdrive and all im doing sucking on tits, I eject, dump her at home.

Honestly felt like a waste of time, should've ejected after the bar and hungout with my friend.

TL;DR went to a bar and all I got to do was suck on some titties. Waste of time.

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Texting with girl from Tinder I thought I recognized...

Tinder girl: Hey you seem like a cool guy. And you look like someone I've met before, but I recently met someone else who is much closer to my age (note: she is maybe 3 years younger than me). It's sweet that you want to meet up, but I don't think it's best.
Me: (ignoring all that other bullshit) I thought we were close in age.
Her: I'm (age). As long as it's just coffee I wouldn't mind meeting up as long as their are no other expectations beyond conversation between us.

Obviously, I could give a shit if she is my friend, but my instinct is that she is telling me not to sleep with her, because she is tempted. I've had girls tell me to change my intention because they couldn't handle their own self control before. Plus, those are long messages for a guy who hasn't texted much back. That "it's sweet" line makes me want to sacrifice her anal virginity to an ancient blood god, though.

I'm not sure if it's worth the time to turn this around, but the hunter in me wants to for fun. Once the goal is blown (like it kind of is here), I get to try and say anything because it doesn't matter. Suggestions?

(05-10-2014 04:20 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  Texting with girl from Tinder I thought I recognized...

Tinder girl: Hey you seem like a cool guy. And you look like someone I've met before, but I recently met someone else who is much closer to my age (note: she is maybe 3 years younger than me). It's sweet that you want to meet up, but I don't think it's best.
Me: (ignoring all that other bullshit) I thought we were close in age.
Her: I'm (age). As long as it's just coffee I wouldn't mind meeting up as long as their are no other expectations beyond conversation between us.

Obviously, I could give a shit if she is my friend, but my instinct is that she is telling me not to sleep with her, because she is tempted. I've had girls tell me to change my intention because they couldn't handle their own self control before. Plus, those are long messages for a guy who hasn't texted much back. That "it's sweet" line makes me want to sacrifice her anal virginity to an ancient blood god, though.

I'm not sure if it's worth the time to turn this around, but the hunter in me wants to for fun. Once the goal is blown (like it kind of is here), I get to try and say anything because it doesn't matter. Suggestions?

In my experience, the "you're sweet" or "it's sweet" is a bright red flag marking the friend zone.

However, if you actually meet up with her you can just turn your game up a notch and get the conversion. It's not like there's anything to lose. Hail Marys are hella more fun than short slants.

Agreed, friendzonish. Does sound like she's tempted because she still wants to meet.

(05-10-2014 04:35 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Agreed, friendzonish. Does sound like she's tempted because she still wants to meet.

Well, little invested so far. I dropped a "I don't want to be friends." That'll probably end it, but it'll get interesting if it doesn't.

Texts this as a restart text to an old tinder match. "Love is patient. Love is kind. Love is better from behind."

Got this in the reply - "?"

(05-10-2014 06:10 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 04:35 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Agreed, friendzonish. Does sound like she's tempted because she still wants to meet.

Well, little invested so far. I dropped a "I don't want to be friends." That'll probably end it, but it'll get interesting if it doesn't.

Smart.

Always discount yourself from being a friend.

You have to instantly make it known that your time is valuable and if she wants a coffee buddy, shopping partner, or shoulder to cry on, that you're not the man for it.

If she wants her pussy fucked 29 ways from Friday, then you are the right man.

I honestly think that girls use this as a shittest because I've gotten it many times before and one of two things happens:

1. She folds and gets sexual.

2. We never talk again.

Either way I win, because my time isn't wasted.

(05-10-2014 06:20 PM)dancingjohn Wrote:  Texts this as a restart text to an old tinder match. "Love is patient. Love is kind. Love is better from behind."

Got this in the reply - "?"

Not interested, move one. I'd personally go for something funnier. Then escalate it sexually.

I just got thrown off by a rather aggressive text from a prospect. Not the same chick as before, another one this time.

The story:

I went to a party at my uni last Thursday. I invited this lizard to come with me as my special guest (she doesn't go to the same uni as me but every student from my uni was allowed to take one extra person with him/her). My plan was to get some alcohol in her and then from there take her to my crib. She declined and said she didn't feel like going (at least she was honest about it and didn't make up excuses).

On Friday she texted me asking me if I enjoyed myself at the party. I tried to tease her and said the party was amazing and she missed out and she should have been there. This is what happened:

she: "ohhhh really? Tell me about it!"

me: "The music was really good and everyone on the dance floor seemed horny. One cute lil' chick decided to dry hump me and grind my cock. Of course I rewarded her good behavior by giving this girl the night of her life. That girl could have been you, but you weren't there. Too bad."

she: "Amazing, I can't believe how much I've missed! Boy do I wish I was there!"

*2 min later*

she: "Next time come up with a more interesting story please."


I'm really thrown off by this. Did she just lost all interest in me or is this a shit test? Do you think she's jealous or does she just not believe my story? Mind you that my story wasn't a lie, but this chick here barely knows me and I haven't banged her yet, so maybe she thinks I'm lying.

What should I do? Go cold on her, continue spinning plates and try to reboot with this chick in a few weeks? Or should I send a witty reply back somewhere next week?

Wow please tell me that wasn't your reply? I am not a text master but the reply should have been short and left her thinking, not a recap of the night.
Your story sounds too try hard and contrived.
Her: how was the party?
You: great!
Her: oh really tell me more?
You then go radio silent or text her a couple hours later or the next day.

She would have gone crazy and would have 100 thoughts going through her head.
Your reply did not keep her guessing.

(05-11-2014 09:52 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Wow please tell me that wasn't your reply? I am not a text master but the reply should have been short and left her thinking, not a recap of the night.
Your story sounds too try hard and contrived.
Her: how was the party?
You: great!
Her: oh really tell me more?
You then go radio silent or text her a couple hours later or the next day.

She would have gone crazy and would have 100 thoughts going through her head.
Your reply did not keep her guessing.

You're right. I guess I tried a little too hard to knock this bitch off her pedestal and by showing her that if she isn't there I can easily find others (I barely know her but she seemed like the kind of girl who believes she can make any man go exclusive with her because she's "special", well, not me!).

(05-10-2014 06:22 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 06:10 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 04:35 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Agreed, friendzonish. Does sound like she's tempted because she still wants to meet.

Well, little invested so far. I dropped a "I don't want to be friends." That'll probably end it, but it'll get interesting if it doesn't.

Smart.

Always discount yourself from being a friend.

She replies "my profile specifically states I'm just looking for friends (followed by a paragraph of text of rationalizations)"
Me: But you're thinking about hooking up with me
Her: No I am not. I am a woman of intellectual standards. Don't push my buttons.

I text her a picture of a man pressing a giant red button.

Her: lol

I'm in. She is out of town, but we're flirty pictures, some of which are of her. Hopefully interest will maintain till she is back.

Apparently all you have to do to get out of the friendzone is just ask.

texted random stale numbers.Got response.How do I play this?

Me: Happy Mothers Day!
Her: It would be nice if you actually paid child support to our child!

Mr Calicoat - no need to have that attitude with her. She texted you to find out how the party was - translated - did you meet anyone else?
She might have wanted a second date with you, she seemed sad to have missed a great party. You had her on the hook until you told that story.
Imagine if you replied the next day to her text, she would have thought you smashed another girl. Then she would not flake on the next date.
I hate texting, my philosophy is you can't fuck a girl unless she is in front of you. So texts are just to set up dates, not to give your life story.

(10-28-2013 03:37 PM)GLethal85 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:20 PM)NYJ Wrote:  The 4 hour erection joke was pushing it too far too soon. I would chill for a few days then hit her up again.

Yeah it mighta pushed it too far too soon. My reason for throwing it in there was to build some kind of sexual tension.

In the past I would've kept going on with politically correct topics and get ignored/friendzoned.

I took a risk and it failed.


texts should only be used to set times to meet. not for humor or getting to know her or any of that female bullshit. "Chatting" via text is female activity. men use texts to set dates....period.
If this was The Sims there would be a "-10" floating above both our heads.

texts should be used to set dates and appointments. Not for humor or 'chatting' that's what females do with texts. Humor often doesn't translate well on texts. Save that for in person. Use texts only to set times to meet.

(05-11-2014 09:08 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Mr Calicoat - no need to have that attitude with her. She texted you to find out how the party was - translated - did you meet anyone else?
She might have wanted a second date with you, she seemed sad to have missed a great party. You had her on the hook until you told that story.
Imagine if you replied the next day to her text, she would have thought you smashed another girl. Then she would not flake on the next date.
I hate texting, my philosophy is you can't fuck a girl unless she is in front of you. So texts are just to set up dates, not to give your life story.

Yeah you're right, I guess I did make her a little bit upset with my text. Seems she indeed genuinely regretted that she didn't come with me to that party.

She texted me again today and everything seems to be fine now. I've set up a date with her for Thursday. Hopefully I'll get to bang her then. I'm pretty certain I will considering the fact she's still talking to me even after I was so harsh/cold to her in my text.

(05-11-2014 06:03 PM)NewGamer Wrote:  texted random stale numbers.Got response.How do I play this?

Me: Happy Mothers Day!
Her: It would be nice if you actually paid child support to our child!

I'd reply with: "I wish I could but it's complicated. How about we discuss it in person? Lets meet up at [insert place and time]."

(05-12-2014 02:30 PM)Mr. Calicoat Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 09:08 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Mr Calicoat - no need to have that attitude with her. She texted you to find out how the party was - translated - did you meet anyone else?
She might have wanted a second date with you, she seemed sad to have missed a great party. You had her on the hook until you told that story.
Imagine if you replied the next day to her text, she would have thought you smashed another girl. Then she would not flake on the next date.
I hate texting, my philosophy is you can't fuck a girl unless she is in front of you. So texts are just to set up dates, not to give your life story.

Yeah you're right, I guess I did make her a little bit upset with my text. Seems she indeed genuinely regretted that she didn't come with me to that party.

She texted me again today and everything seems to be fine now. I've set up a date with her for Thursday. Hopefully I'll get to bang her then. I'm pretty certain I will considering the fact she's still talking to me even after I was so harsh/cold to her in my text.

Your still in the game which is great, don't focus on the bang. It will come, just be cool and act like she is another girl in your harem.