Post: #26

If that book surprised you guys it will be interesting to see your reaction to my assigned reading in my AP Lang class-- http://katiehamilton25.blogspot.com/2012...heory.html
and other such feminist critiques of the scarlet letter.

Post: #27

Roosh's brother needs to do the minimum needed to get the lowest grade he's willing to accept in school on these kinds of assignments.

The bigger picture is that the readig selections are garbage.

The Great Gatsby? How about The Not So Great Guy Who is Alpha in Making Money but Beta/Omega in his Oneitis for a Worthless Vapid Woman?

Of Mice and Men. A good book but my female teacher never went into any detail as to why Curley wore a glove filled with vaseline. Also, why was his wife flirting with ranch hands and letting a big brute like Lennie stroke her hair. Possibly because her husband had a soft hand.

Death of a Salesman. Sorry Miller in this shithole that America has become being well liked is more important than education and smarts. Will Loman was a salesman, he knew what was up.

The Sound and the Fury. Sorry teach, there is an explanation for why Caddy is in love with Dalton Ames. (He's an Alpha Cad.)

Barry Lyndon was a PUA as well.

Bang 18th century Europe.

Post: #28

(06-29-2013 09:28 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  "What does Huck Finn do? Return the favor? Plead Jim's case? Defend Jim? Huck doesn't do a god damn thing for Jim."

Yes, he does. It just takes a while.

The book starts with Huck being condescending towards Jim but as he gets to know Jim, he realizes the humanity in Jim and begins to question why people think of slaves as non-human. It had to start with Huck being insensitive and immature, though, so we could see how he changes.

One profound passage has Huck realizing that Jim has feelings about his family, like the rest of us. This was a pretty bold statement to make in an era when most people thought of African-Americans as little more than property. Slavery had only officially ended two years before the book was published in the US. The concept of African-Americans as people who deserved freedom was not widely shared. In its time, all of this was heavily controversial.

Back to the book: later on when Jim is captured in Arkansas, Huck frees him (so much for Huck not doing a damn thing for Jim). Huck does this despite thinking he'll go to hell because at the time, churches taught such things were a sin. Huck would also have been breaking the law.

By the time the journey ends, the two have formed a bond beyond the bounds of race. Huck didn't "sell Jim down the river."

The novel is banned for one reason: it uses the n-word. Jim is referred to as Ni**er Jim. This is the way blacks were referred to in that era.

I can understand thinking this view paints whites in a negative light. It does. But the point was that people can change themselves and the way they see others -- Huck was a metaphor and I think he still stands as a good one.

Thanks for that. Well said.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #29

is he in a woman's study class? Or is his teacher a spinster?

Post: #30

I'd be curious to know where this summer reading list was conceived. To my knowledge, this novel isn't on a Common Core suggested reading list. Was this generated at the classroom level, grade level, school level, district, etc.?

An increasingly selfish side of me thinks that the more men who read this type of nonsense, the lesser my competition will become.

If you're interested Uncle, I could generate a quick High School reading list of masculine novels that are completely age appropriate and equally eye opening. IIRC your brother is 15?

Post: #31

(06-30-2013 01:21 AM)MaleDefined Wrote:  I'd be curious to know where this summer reading list was conceived. To my knowledge, this novel isn't on a Common Core suggested reading list. Was this generated at the classroom level, grade level, school level, district, etc.?

An increasingly selfish side of me thinks that the more men who read this type of nonsense, the lesser my competition will become.

If you're interested Uncle, I could generate a quick High School reading list of masculine novels that are completely age appropriate and equally eye opening. IIRC your brother is 15?

"If you're interested Uncle, I could generate a quick High School reading list of masculine novels that are completely age appropriate and equally eye opening."

Wait, you don't mean....um, you couldn't possibly mean...wait for it, wait for it...the..the..the...GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN!!!!!!!!

Post: #32

^

True.

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Post: #34

He doesn't even know who his teacher is yet. I'm pretty sure it's based on the county curriculum instead of the teacher selection. It seems like all incoming seniors have to read the same books.

Post: #35

It's more important that your brother knows how to think than it is what information he's exposed to. Assuming he's got the masculine scientific and reasoning mind then he'll power through this book without gaining more than a grade.

Post: #36

From what I just read online, the author Kate Chopin was heavily influenced by de Maupassant, which is not a bad place to be.

If this was on the dreaded summer reading list, it's hard to judge without seeing the rest of the list. Maybe stuff like The Naked and the Dead is on it.

Reading lots of stuff of all kinds is a good thing. Fictional protagonists do not have to be morally admirable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Awakening_(novel)

Post: #37

I can identify with this.

As a senior, just last year, we spent months on 'The Handmaid's Tale' by Margaret Atwood, a dystopian novel that explores 'patriarchy', 'oppression' and is a scathing critique of religion and traditional values with regards the role of women (note the buzz words) - the tutor, a raging feminist, had selected the book for us to do herself. I doubt her selection was based on the literary excellence of the novel, it was more likely to do with the chance to spout some feminazism and bring yet more man-hating into the curriculum.

Fortunately, and much to her displeasure, I and the four other guys in the class made a point to vocalize how shit the book was every lesson, and those guys aren't necessarily red pill. It just goes to show that even regular guys recognize the extent to which this crap is pushed upon us from an early age - it is ironic then that the guys most successful with women see it for what it is from an early age, too.

Post: #38

Whatever happened to being forced to read Shakespeare?

Post: #39

Ahhh i remember reading that book for AP Lit.

My teacher hated me because i boiled down the entire book as a woman who didn't like her privileged life in the 19th century and was content with throwing it all away.

The best part is when she walks in the ocean. Stupid stupid book. There isn't much man hating in that, just a woman whining about her boring her affluence is. Basically hamsterism from the late 19th century.

Tell him to compare Edna to a modern spinster who abandons her children (who will now grow up motherless in the early 20th century) and is never able to satisfy her hamsterism. Hopefully he won't have to ready "Their Eyes Were Watching God". Horrible books. At least she walks into the ocean.

Post: #40

High school kids should read Harrison Bergeron over and over. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of their teachers and administrators didn't really get it.

Post: #41

(06-29-2013 04:24 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  Have him read it but interpret it properly. The Left has stolen literary analysis, it's time to take it back.

What do you mean by the 'Left'? I'm what you would describe as a Communist and there is no way I would subscribe to this feminist claptrap. Reading the passage made me want to puke.

In my school we read Plato, Aristotle, Homer's Illiad, Machiavelli, St. Augustine, Kant, Voltaire and on the lighter side we had Shakespeare, Chaucer, Byron and Dickens among others. In my spare time I read Marx and Lenin. I went to a Catholic school and the clergymen instilled in us the virtues of the Greek and Roman classics as well as pointing out that learning Latin was a vital stage in the building blocks of learning a modern European language. I'm sorry I never took Latin, Greek or Hebrew courses that were offered.

Any one caught reading feminist rubbish from post 1960s was singled out for ridicule.

Post: #42

I guess SOUL ON ICE doesn't make the cut anymore.

Post: #43

DId anyone post the Wiki summary yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Awakening_(novel)

It's a book about a mom who abandons her children and husband to fuck around with some alpha:

With the summer vacation over, the Pontelliers return to New Orleans. Edna gradually reassesses her priorities and takes a more active role in her own happiness. She starts to isolate herself from New Orleans society and withdraw from some of the duties traditionally associated with motherhood. Léonce eventually talks to a doctor to diagnose her, fearing she is losing her mental faculties. The doctor advises Léonce to let her be and assures him that things will return to normal.

When Léonce prepares to travel to New York City on business, he sends the boys to his mother and leaves Edna alone at home for an extended period. This gives Edna physical and emotional room to breathe and think over various aspects of her life. While her husband is still away, she moves out of her house and into a small bungalow nearby and begins dallying with Alcée Arobin, a persistent suitor with a reputation for being free with his affections. For the first time in the novel, Edna is shown as a sexual being, but the affair proves awkward and emotionally fraught.

Post: #44

(06-30-2013 03:51 PM)Partizan Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 04:24 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  Have him read it but interpret it properly. The Left has stolen literary analysis, it's time to take it back.

What do you mean by the 'Left'? I'm what you would describe as a Communist and there is no way I would subscribe to this feminist claptrap. Reading the passage made me want to puke.

In my school we read Plato, Aristotle, Homer's Illiad, Machiavelli, St. Augustine, Kant, Voltaire and on the lighter side we had Shakespeare, Chaucer, Byron and Dickens among others. In my spare time I read Marx and Lenin. I went to a Catholic school and the clergymen instilled in us the virtues of the Greek and Roman classics as well as pointing out that learning Latin was a vital stage in the building blocks of learning a modern European language. I'm sorry I never took Latin, Greek or Hebrew courses that were offered.

Any one caught reading feminist rubbish from post 1960s was singled out for ridicule.

So you're an economic Marxist instead of a cultural one. The cultural Marxists are ruining the US. They're still on the Left.

Post: #45

(06-29-2013 10:05 PM)SexualHarrasmentPanda Wrote:  If that book surprised you guys it will be interesting to see your reaction to my assigned reading in my AP Lang class-- http://katiehamilton25.blogspot.com/2012...heory.html
and other such feminist critiques of the scarlet letter.

"The Male Gaze" looks like it probably has some good research and if you can ignore moralizing and bias are and careful to question assumptions, you might find it interesting. Classroom discussions are likely to be unbearable, however.

Post: #46

(06-30-2013 04:28 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  *SNIP*

Just to go on a tangent here, but I remember these hilarious stories about the Soviets laughing their asses off at American Feminists who came to visit. Real Marxists define women's rights progress in terms of how many tanks and tractors they can build. lol

Post: #47

I had to read "Men Women and the mystery of Love." Now that was torture.

Post: #48

There's a lot of truth in this. Women are interested in being brides, not wives. They're also interested in babies, not kids.

Post: #49

(06-29-2013 05:03 PM)Kabal Wrote:  Romance "novels" are so formulaic.

Whether getting them into bed or selling them literature, you can play women like fiddles and get them to dispense like vending machines with the right input (thanks Trace, for the metaphor).

This shit's like mad-libs.

Quote:In the [time], [the protagonist and any accompaniment] spend(s) [the duration] in [location], an idyllic [description of location]. Away from [her normal, easy life where everything is provided for her], [protagonist] releases herself to her deepest yearnings, plunging into an illicit liaison that reawakens her long dormant desires, enflames her heart, and, eventually blinds her to all else.

Written nearly [some amount of time] ago, [novel] is the compelling story of an extraordinarily modern woman struggling against the contraints of [make-belief constraint #1] and [make-belief constraint #2], and slowly discovering the power of her own sexuality. [Protagonist]'s search for her own individuality touches the hearts of women who've learned the value of [vapid neologistic value #1] and [vapid neologistic value #2] and her story is now regarded as a classic in American fiction.

Let's try this with 50 Shades of Grey:

Quote:In the late noughties, Anastasia "Ana" Steele spends her college-years in Vancouver, Washington, an idyllic college town. Away from her hometown and the watchful eye of her parents, Ana releases herself to her deepest yearnings, plunging into an illicit liaison that reawakens her long dormant desires, enflames her heart, and, eventually blinds her to all else.

Written nearly two years ago, 50 Shades of Grey is the compelling story of an extraordinarily modern woman struggling against the contraints of societal slut-shaming and male sexual pressuring, and slowly discovering the power of her own sexuality. Ana's's search for her own individuality touches the hearts of women who've learned the value of coming-of-age and self-actualization and her story is now regarded as a classic in American fiction.

Reading this, I realize that American women are suffering from some kind of Ennui like condition where they will never be satisfied. This why they eat so much.

Women don't really want to be satiated. They crave the craving.

Andrew WK said it best- something along the lines "Women want to want."

This is the key to game.

You just keep dangling the toy in front of the cat but never let her get it all the way. Just a little taste here and there to wet the appetite, but never give the magic away.

Post: #50

(06-30-2013 04:28 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 03:51 PM)Partizan Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 04:24 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  Have him read it but interpret it properly. The Left has stolen literary analysis, it's time to take it back.

What do you mean by the 'Left'? I'm what you would describe as a Communist and there is no way I would subscribe to this feminist claptrap. Reading the passage made me want to puke.

In my school we read Plato, Aristotle, Homer's Illiad, Machiavelli, St. Augustine, Kant, Voltaire and on the lighter side we had Shakespeare, Chaucer, Byron and Dickens among others. In my spare time I read Marx and Lenin. I went to a Catholic school and the clergymen instilled in us the virtues of the Greek and Roman classics as well as pointing out that learning Latin was a vital stage in the building blocks of learning a modern European language. I'm sorry I never took Latin, Greek or Hebrew courses that were offered.

Any one caught reading feminist rubbish from post 1960s was singled out for ridicule.

So you're an economic Marxist instead of a cultural one. The cultural Marxists are ruining the US. They're still on the Left.

True that. In the USSR, although women were elevated (were in the workforce and had access to education, welfare and contraception) they still knew their place in society as home givers and mothers. They and the Soviets despised the feminists like Sontag and Jane Fonda and Western Feminism especially from the US as degenerate.

Jim NortonFan is probably one of those extreme Right Wing, Republican Tea Party types who think that Obama is a 'communist'.