Post: #1

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-0...le-anxiety

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018...jazz-hands

Quote:In an attempt to make public performances more "inclusive" for people with "disabilities" like anxiety and other sensory issues, the University of Manchester students' union has voted to ban applause at student union events, and is asking students to use "jazz hands" instead.

The decision was made to keep the University of Manchester compliant with a 2015 vote in the UK's National Union of Students. But students also noted that loud noises like "whooping" or "traditional applause" can create problems for students with anxiety.

According to the Guardian, the MSU motion said that "this union notes that since 2015, the National Union of Students (NUS) has been using British sign language (BSL) clapping (or ‘jazz hands’), as loud noises, including whooping and traditional applause, can pose an issue for students with disabilities such as anxiety or sensory issues."

One woman who was the leader of the NUS at the time of the 2015 vote admitted that using "jazz hands" was "odd" at first, but that she eventually came to appreciate it.

Quote:The NUS voted to start using BSL clapping in 2015. Speaking at the time, Nona Buckley-Irvine, the then general secretary of the London School of Economics students’ union, told the BBC: "Jazz hands are used throughout NUS in place of clapping as a way to show appreciation of someone’s point without interrupting or causing disturbance, as it can create anxiety."

"I’m relatively new to this and it did feel odd at first, but once you’ve used jazz hands a couple of times, it becomes a genuinely nice way to show solidarity with a point and it does add to creating a more inclusive atmosphere."

Post: #2

Never heard of that before. Dopey by all means.

Post: #3

This is actually the message that Milo was born to address.

Post: #4

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't last a month in university these days without getting expelled for doing something normal, sane human beings used to do for centuries.

Post: #5

The only people who this would legitimately benefit would be those with issues such as autism. Some people with autism simply cannot tolerate stimulation (visual, auditory, etc.).

As for anxiety, avoidance/accommodation is the worst strategy. If you have panic disorder and you avoid triggers, you get worse. If you have agoraphobia and you avoid going out, you get worse. If you have social anxiety/phobia and you avoid people, you get worse. So on and so forth. Any clinical psychologist worth anything will push for exposure (either flooding or through a measured approach).

This "accommodation" is actually going to make people with anxiety worse.

As for the limited number of autistic individuals who cannot stand loud noises or cues, I question whether they are best served by attending a mainstream university. I'm not being cruel. I think they might honestly be better served by a smaller academic institution that can deal with their specific issues.

Post: #6

^

The last men (Nietzchian term) people don't want to get rid of their weaknesses any more. The more weaknesses you have the better. The more weaknesses you have the more ammunition you have to accuse other people of insensitivity, the more power you have to make anyone dance to your whims.

I think the root of this comes from Christianity that promoted weakness as virtue. Before it - in pagan times - weakness was seen as immoral - it was evil to let yourself get weak. In modern times power and weakness are perceived at best without a moral quality or at worst - power is always perceived as evil, weakness as virtue. This is why men are presumed as the guilty side and women are presumed as victims. Christianity and their adoration of weakness, displayed on the cross and in the sermon on the mount are to blame for this.

Post: #7

(10-03-2018 02:41 PM)Mage Wrote:  ^

The last men (Nietzchian term) people don't want to get rid of their weaknesses any more. The more weaknesses you have the better. The more weaknesses you have the more ammunition you have to accuse other people of insensitivity, the more power you have to make anyone dance to your whims.

I think the root of this comes from Christianity that promoted weakness as virtue. Before it - in pagan times - weakness was seen as immoral - it was evil to let yourself get weak. In modern times power and weakness are perceived at best without a moral quality or at worst - power is always perceived as evil, weakness as virtue. This is why men are presumed as the guilty side and women are presumed as victims. Christianity and their adoration of weakness, displayed on the cross and in the sermon on the mount are to blame for this.

Very interesting insight. You've articulated the idea of "weaponized weakness" very well ..that a great way of identifying what it is the progressives are doing

I dont however necessarily agree that Christianity is at fault but rather human nature. It's been hard wired into human nature to protect the weak. From a "Jungian" POV I'd say it stems from our (and all animals) instinctual need to protect our offspring. By extension weaker "tribe" members (children , women, elders) would be protected from outside predation for example.

The post-modernist / progressive / marxist / leftist ideologists have co-opted and corrupted what is a survival of self instinct into a weapon for their agenda.

Very illuminating post for me.

Post: #8

If this is how weak people are we may be entering the era of the "no punch knockout..."

Swing, pull the punch a foot before connecting, watch them faint.

Post: #9

it's like American universities and British universities are always trying to one-up the other side of the Atlantic on the crazy meter these days

Post: #10

What? Unis have become unintentional memes. On a serious note, not entirely related, it really is shocking how many people are on anxiety and depression meds. A friend of mine works at a clinic as a pharmacist and he confirms the ridiculous amount of ostensibly stable and affluent individuals on it.

Confidence is a superpower in 2018.

Post: #11

They already had this several years ago. It was the inspiration for Jazzhands McFeels

Post: #12

(10-04-2018 02:40 PM)MANic Wrote:  What? Unis have become unintentional memes. On a serious note, not entirely related, it really is shocking how many people are on anxiety and depression meds. A friend of mine works at a clinic as a pharmacist and he confirms the ridiculous amount of ostensibly stable and affluent individuals on it.

Confidence is a superpower in 2018.

Can confirm. Clinic participants in my studies were required to disclose drug usage. Many, many people on SSRIs, etc. People you wouldn't expect.

My theory was that they go in to the doctor after a bad month (hard case, too many patients, whatever) and the doc gives them Paxil right out of the gate. Same thing happens in school health centers. If someone has prescription writing authority, you can be sure that psych meds are flying off the shelves. No talking. No digging. No therapy. No meditation. No diet, sleep, or exercise changes. No suggestions to take a lighter class load, switch majors, or take a semester off. Just pump them full of drugs.

The problem with that is the rebound effect. If you put someone who is a little high-strung from a bad semester on anti-anxiety meds, they are stuck. If you put a person who doesn't have anxiety on anxiolytics, and then take them off, they will often develop anxiety as part of the rebound effect. Now, without the tools that a competent therapist could provide a patient to deal with anxiety (without drugs), that person will be begging to go on a heavy schedule of medication. Not many people have the grit to white knuckle it through crippling panic attacks.

Add to all of this the known facts that; there are concentrations of pharmaceutical pollution in the drinking water, some really crap street drugs are cut with doses of pharma drugs, and a lot of OTC meds mimic the anxiolytic effects of prescription drugs (ex: some antihistamines), and you have a recipe for a lot of messed up people.

But, yeah, we should be concerned about clapping.

Post: #13

(10-04-2018 06:47 PM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 02:40 PM)MANic Wrote:  What? Unis have become unintentional memes. On a serious note, not entirely related, it really is shocking how many people are on anxiety and depression meds. A friend of mine works at a clinic as a pharmacist and he confirms the ridiculous amount of ostensibly stable and affluent individuals on it.

Confidence is a superpower in 2018.

Can confirm. Clinic participants in my studies were required to disclose drug usage. Many, many people on SSRIs, etc. People you wouldn't expect.

My theory was that they go in to the doctor after a bad month (hard case, too many patients, whatever) and the doc gives them Paxil right out of the gate. Same thing happens in school health centers. If someone has prescription writing authority, you can be sure that psych meds are flying off the shelves. No talking. No digging. No therapy. No meditation. No diet, sleep, or exercise changes. No suggestions to take a lighter class load, switch majors, or take a semester off. Just pump them full of drugs.

The problem with that is the rebound effect. If you put someone who is a little high-strung from a bad semester on anti-anxiety meds, they are stuck. If you put a person who doesn't have anxiety on anxiolytics, and then take them off, they will often develop anxiety as part of the rebound effect. Now, without the tools that a competent therapist could provide a patient to deal with anxiety (without drugs), that person will be begging to go on a heavy schedule of medication. Not many people have the grit to white knuckle it through crippling panic attacks.

Add to all of this the known facts that; there are concentrations of pharmaceutical pollution in the drinking water, some really crap street drugs are cut with doses of pharma drugs, and a lot of OTC meds mimic the anxiolytic effects of prescription drugs (ex: some antihistamines), and you have a recipe for a lot of messed up people.

But, yeah, we should be concerned about clapping.

I was on SSRIs briefly, they made me fucking crazy (so I flushed them.)

The problem is depression being looked at as a bad thing.

Depression is your body/brain telling you something sucks in your life (you are not successful enough, out of shape, not having fun, girl is a bitch) and you need to switch things up in most cases. I don't doubt there is SOME clinical depression (although I don't think SSRIs are the answer) but most of the depression would be better met by "maybe you should stop working a job you hate so much, dump that whore you are dating" etc not a pill script.

Post: #14

Did you have to flush them in the water? Please people put them in the trash. The water is fucked up enough and the chlorine isn't killing everything in it.

Post: #15

(10-04-2018 07:00 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 06:47 PM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 02:40 PM)MANic Wrote:  What? Unis have become unintentional memes. On a serious note, not entirely related, it really is shocking how many people are on anxiety and depression meds. A friend of mine works at a clinic as a pharmacist and he confirms the ridiculous amount of ostensibly stable and affluent individuals on it.

Confidence is a superpower in 2018.

Can confirm. Clinic participants in my studies were required to disclose drug usage. Many, many people on SSRIs, etc. People you wouldn't expect.

My theory was that they go in to the doctor after a bad month (hard case, too many patients, whatever) and the doc gives them Paxil right out of the gate. Same thing happens in school health centers. If someone has prescription writing authority, you can be sure that psych meds are flying off the shelves. No talking. No digging. No therapy. No meditation. No diet, sleep, or exercise changes. No suggestions to take a lighter class load, switch majors, or take a semester off. Just pump them full of drugs.

The problem with that is the rebound effect. If you put someone who is a little high-strung from a bad semester on anti-anxiety meds, they are stuck. If you put a person who doesn't have anxiety on anxiolytics, and then take them off, they will often develop anxiety as part of the rebound effect. Now, without the tools that a competent therapist could provide a patient to deal with anxiety (without drugs), that person will be begging to go on a heavy schedule of medication. Not many people have the grit to white knuckle it through crippling panic attacks.

Add to all of this the known facts that; there are concentrations of pharmaceutical pollution in the drinking water, some really crap street drugs are cut with doses of pharma drugs, and a lot of OTC meds mimic the anxiolytic effects of prescription drugs (ex: some antihistamines), and you have a recipe for a lot of messed up people.

But, yeah, we should be concerned about clapping.

I was on SSRIs briefly, they made me fucking crazy (so I flushed them.)

The problem is depression being looked at as a bad thing.

Depression is your body/brain telling you something sucks in your life (you are not successful enough, out of shape, not having fun, girl is a bitch) and you need to switch things up in most cases. I don't doubt there is SOME clinical depression (although I don't think SSRIs are the answer) but most of the depression would be better met by "maybe you should stop working a job you hate so much, dump that whore you are dating" etc not a pill script.

Post: #16

How the drugs enter the water cycle is only half the problem. To be honest, I am aware of some pharmacies that essentially dispose of returned/expired medication by "flushing it".

The second part of the problem, and where it is most likely to be solved, is in the water treatment plants. Right now, many clean out the heavy sediment and then use a process like chlorination. Even if the secondary treatment is effective at eliminating biological contaminants, it often does little to remove chemical pollutants.

And that's just the water that receives secondary treatment. Have you ever been on a golf course that was being watered and smelled the non-potable water? Often that is water that has gone through a single stage (sifting/settle). That water drains and enters canals and many other water sources.

Post: #17

Sorry I laced the Massachusetts water supply with 15 lexapro or whatever guys.

Post: #18

(10-04-2018 08:11 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  Sorry I laced the Massachusetts water supply with 15 lexapro or whatever guys.

Congratulating you for facing up to your bad actions Mr Dust.

I actually went to Manchester University which is in the news for bringing this in.
Like Mike S I don't think that I would have lasted very long on todays campuses.
We used to get drunk on all day benders and much hilarity ensued.
Back in the mid 90s one of our friends had to dress for his 21st as a Mexican bandit with an aubergine/eggplant in his holster. Every time the aubergine left its holster (we kept stealing it) we made him drink.
He was on the dance floor when it dropped out of its holster. he frantically and drunkenly tried to pick it up but someone accidentally trod on it.... so he stood up and clocked the poor guy.

We were all blind drunk, earlier I kept trying to get up off all fours but every time I did I just hit the floor again - kept putting my hand out and cutting it on the same pieces of broken glass on the floor.
The doormen were just watching me and pissing themselves laughing, applauding me. Eventually they took me off and bandaged my hand and wrist before letting me go back to the bar and dance floor.

Anyway some poor victim trod on the aubergine and before I knew it there was a massive brawl erupting around me. I remember fighting with some guy and having the surreal experience that this guy was a total dweeb but in my drunken state he was slow motion getting the better of me. Anyway, we all got thrown out.

So Mr. Eggplant was the captain of the rugby team and well known on campus. He got on well with the sporting establishment/Athletic Union who were all pretty straightforward people. But now he had to go in front of the SJWs of the Student Union and account for his actions.

Forget the fact that I left the poor dweeb pissing blood out of a cut to his temple, that glasses and bottles were being smashed or that another mate was kicking some guy in the head.
Mr Eggplant was banned from the Student Union for a whole year FOR...

"brandishing a phallic object in a sexually aggressive manner.." official Union letter while the rest of us skated free.

The seeds of destruction were being sown at that time but everybody was too busy laughing at the surreality of it all.

Politically, it was more like some chaotic Weimar Republic preceding today's totalitarian state.