Post: #76

(09-10-2018 05:48 PM)Hypno Wrote:  Self improvement and gym stuff is great, but you don't have to be perfect to have more success.

Actually getting out there and doing something, and innergame and confidence, count for more.

I agree, I think a good goal to be is a guy who's so fun to be around, or so attractive/interesting that it causes a woman to stay off her phone and not pay attention to the outside world

Post: #77

One main thing we did not discuss on this thread which I ended up talking to an old friend about over some drinks is the fact that at least in the western world, and maybe even other worlds, we live in a society of too many men.

For those of us on this forum who are into the self-improvement mindset, we might think it doesn't mean anything but it means so much. The fact is that an overabundance of simps and thirsty guys will drive up the value of average pussy. Noir's comment touched on this a lot when he talked about the girls at the club, it doesn't matter how alpha you are, she will always have her beta male. The issue is that women have been spoiled by too many spineless cowardly beta males that would not be able to survive natural selection in most cases.

The atmosphere itself gets hostile with more AMOGing, mate guarding, whiteknighting, cockblocking and overall pessimistic cynical attitude you can just feel in the air. These are the places where tight social circles form and it is tough to game as an outsider, because dudes who are in these social circles have to try and maintain the scarce supply of good pussy that is still around. When you have a society where men outnumber women by a great deal, then you have an issue, one part of it also being the quality of women falling low.

I actually believe that the reason some places are full of so many hostile people and an overall angry atmosphere is because of this reason.

I kind of noticed this traveling and even in regards to what makes some cities amazing for guys while others are a nightmare.

Take San Francisco for instance, arguably one of the worst cities in the country for men. Not only do you have to deal with 4s with the attitude of a 9 (aka the "49ers"), you also notice how hostile and combative dudes there are, even how unwelcoming the culture there is towards strangers and outsiders. Unless you are seriously trying to build your career or are some average looking white guy with a thing for self-hating Asian girls, the city has to be avoided for most young men.

Now I contrast this with cities I have been to where the situation wasn't nearly as bad, not only was game better, society there was a lot friendlier. Guys in general were cool with making friends with you which provided you a chance to have a wingman and even build a social circle if you were there long enough. The pussy scarcity mindset which makes guys who are in good social circles act like Golem trying to guard the ring is just not there.

The reason feminism was not a thing in a lot of Eastern Europe for the longest time is because there was no need for it. You had an overabundance of single good looking women and not enough men to go around, there was no need for that mindset although as Roosh has said, it has changed now.

I think the reason we have a war on men is because society realized that there are just too many men and some of them have no business being around.

I know I sound cruel saying this but at some point, society decided that men were outnumbering women and there were just too many of us. Most guys were not going to contribute anything special to society and all they were going to do was take up space and be simps who inflate the value of an ugly broad due to their thirst. At some point, society decided that there had to be a war on men because it realized just how worthless the average guy truly is, not even average girls want to fuck them.

Post: #78

(09-11-2018 07:34 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  One main thing we did not discuss on this thread which I ended up talking to an old friend about over some drinks is the fact that at least in the western world, and maybe even other worlds, we live in a society of too many men.

Excellent post. It's so true at least in the Western / westernised places that I've been to.

Most evident at pubs / bars / clubs / meetups. For example, a friend invited me to a meetup last night in a local bar, there was about 50 people there, of which perhaps 8 were women. Total sausagefest of thirsty chodes crowding around each chick.

It's another reason I love daygame. You don't need to worry about ratios or competition, just using the laser-like focus to acquire targets.

Post: #79

the game changes way too fast. I had it handled in 2013 but if I run same game I did then my results will be half of what they were then.

It's quite annoying because I'd like to focus on other areas of life but new pussy/quality is probably one of my biggest drives so I'm always playing emergency trying keep results equal level or better year to year.

whereas health aspect I pretty much have it nailed and only have to occasionally add some new things here and there to maintain.

I notice a lot of guys here scorn having women as an ultimate driver but I think that's genetics. Some guys care more than others and it's easy for guys who are say 40 to say but when you're 20s the mind for some people is just 'pussy pussy pussy'. Rather than fighting it probably have to attach secondary goals to the end goal eg) become a top level promoter/gigolo/artist etc. Take Roosh for example he makes his living through his game. Might not be possible for everyone though.

Post: #80

(09-06-2018 10:12 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  Let me explain something. Women hate being fucked and chucked. They hate being treated like they are disposable. They figure out that the hot guys on Tinder are drowning in pussy and they begin to avoid that shit. This is why the male to female ratio on these dating apps is so decidedly male. They often bounce to a few other apps, and find it's all the same issue. So, what do they do? Where do they go? Nowhere! I know a lot of very good looking girls in LA that are literally going through thier lives waiting for some dude to come up to them in a grocery store and hit on them. The problem is that millennial men are so consumed with self doubt after being beaten down on dating apps... that they don't bother to approach anymore.

This is extremely interesting. With the endless talk of horrific ratios in any venue designed for meeting the opposite sex, be it dating apps, bars/clubs, parties, Meetup groups, etc., more attention needs to be given to the obvious question: What the fuck is up with the enormous glut of single women who aren't doing any of these things (which there must be, mathematically)? What's keeping them away when the odds are so overwhelmingly in their favor?

Your explanation is plausible, but there are many other potential ones as well. This question could be a thread in itself.

Post: #81

Quote:we live in a society of too many men.

After reading David Foot's book on demographics -- called Boom Bust and Echo, I was convinced by his argument that in the end its all about demographics.

A slight change in ratio between men and women even by 1 or 2% can have massive social effects on society.

If fact Feminism I agree is a result of more men than women. Simple as that.

I was quite young in the 70s but I do remember that it seemed women were more than men. I remember seeing nasty fights between women over a guy.

I also remember reading in the news where some women actually committed suicide bc they could not find a husband - and to be a single woman was looked down upon.

It may be easy to think there are too many men which is the cause of the problems. But having too many women is also not a paradise. It also comes with problems.

There is that mysterious nature which decides what the ratios will be between the genders in a given decade.

Be rest assured that in the next decades more women will be born than men as nature re balances itself.

That itself will create new social movements that will favor men. We will likely not be around for that though.

Post: #82

Continuing to add to this thread.

I notice that even among some pro-game experts who are all about self-improvement, there is this college worship going on. The gender ratios, freedom and blah blah blah. It's really an American thing and something that took off decades ago as being a wild hedonistic life experience where you smash randoms, party hard and live the player life. It's an argument I've had with a handful of forum members.

Its strange to think that only a couple generations ago, most people did not even go to college and the "college experience" which has so much love in the game community was hardly a thing.

Now with the campus rape hysteria and just what colleges have become compared to what they were, we can admit that maybe that is something which has fallen off but here is something else I loosely discussed but want to elaborate on. It seems like your twenties have become an extension of college, especially if you pick the right city.

I recall living in NYC during that time and in the area I lived in, it had the vibe of college in terms of social life, meeting young people without that many responsibilities, the parties, the hedonism and list goes on. For a while, it had that community that college was supposed to offer but it seems like the unattached person below the age of 35 is a thing.

It makes me wonder for the sake of this thread that what if this is a brand new stage of life, your twenties out of college, that a lot of us can capitalize on?

I sometimes wonder if at the rate of change society is going at, the fact that we are a bachelor nation now, people live longer and most people don't really grow up till their 30s even; what if we get areas of big cities that are just loaded with single people in their 20s that live like college kids on a social level and this is a new level of hedonism that players can kind of capitalize on.

Post: #83

(09-11-2018 07:34 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  One main thing we did not discuss on this thread which I ended up talking to an old friend about over some drinks is the fact that at least in the western world, and maybe even other worlds, we live in a society of too many men.

For those of us on this forum who are into the self-improvement mindset, we might think it doesn't mean anything but it means so much. The fact is that an overabundance of simps and thirsty guys will drive up the value of average pussy. Noir's comment touched on this a lot when he talked about the girls at the club, it doesn't matter how alpha you are, she will always have her beta male. The issue is that women have been spoiled by too many spineless cowardly beta males that would not be able to survive natural selection in most cases.

The atmosphere itself gets hostile with more AMOGing, mate guarding, whiteknighting, cockblocking and overall pessimistic cynical attitude you can just feel in the air. These are the places where tight social circles form and it is tough to game as an outsider, because dudes who are in these social circles have to try and maintain the scarce supply of good pussy that is still around. When you have a society where men outnumber women by a great deal, then you have an issue, one part of it also being the quality of women falling low.

I actually believe that the reason some places are full of so many hostile people and an overall angry atmosphere is because of this reason.

I kind of noticed this traveling and even in regards to what makes some cities amazing for guys while others are a nightmare.

Take San Francisco for instance, arguably one of the worst cities in the country for men. Not only do you have to deal with 4s with the attitude of a 9 (aka the "49ers"), you also notice how hostile and combative dudes there are, even how unwelcoming the culture there is towards strangers and outsiders. Unless you are seriously trying to build your career or are some average looking white guy with a thing for self-hating Asian girls, the city has to be avoided for most young men.

Now I contrast this with cities I have been to where the situation wasn't nearly as bad, not only was game better, society there was a lot friendlier. Guys in general were cool with making friends with you which provided you a chance to have a wingman and even build a social circle if you were there long enough. The pussy scarcity mindset which makes guys who are in good social circles act like Golem trying to guard the ring is just not there.

The reason feminism was not a thing in a lot of Eastern Europe for the longest time is because there was no need for it. You had an overabundance of single good looking women and not enough men to go around, there was no need for that mindset although as Roosh has said, it has changed now.

I think the reason we have a war on men is because society realized that there are just too many men and some of them have no business being around.

I know I sound cruel saying this but at some point, society decided that men were outnumbering women and there were just too many of us. Most guys were not going to contribute anything special to society and all they were going to do was take up space and be simps who inflate the value of an ugly broad due to their thirst. At some point, society decided that there had to be a war on men because it realized just how worthless the average guy truly is, not even average girls want to fuck them.

Great post, I have a few thoughts to make it a bit more precise as I also have been bringing up what a culling has done historically or what it will do.

First, it is more accurate to say that there are too many people, though from our point of view and selfish pursuits, too many men is the more important point, you are correct. I just want to point out that the net imbalance is a totally weird one because natural selection having ceased to exist in so many ways within the last 70 years in the west, lifted selection off of all people, but then intersex dynamics as you point out really crush males due to lack of pressure on women to be quality, given the genetic environment. Ironically, they also hurt women in the long term way we think about that they don't --- attention leads to entitlement leads to delaying real relationships/paradox of choice, and thus childbirth, cock carousel being the all encompassing term. It insidiously preys on women's needs but still leaves them wanting, since Chad ain't marrying them anyway. So you're right, loss for everyone, and I think people know the evolutionary biology of life being that men are expendable and if young/fertile enough, you'll always find some bloke to bang girl X.

I then started to think, because of the fact that war ain't coming to destroy populations (only famine or disease really will at this point), would the disparity in wealth make the lesser males essentially non-entities, thereby "decreasing" the pool of males (fewer men now)? Figuratively and effectively yes, BUT at huge societal cost. Not ideal. See arab or polygamist societies. It even gets weirder into the new world where technology replaces even the old average joes shot at a decent, solid life with a solid wife. There might not even be a menial job for the guy to say "fuck that" to since he finds it worthless to work and slave for cubicle tsar or municipal master with no hope for the slightest whiff of pussy.

The reason Eastern Europe has held out is in many ways due to what you are saying, but also culturally they are tighter and pull in the same direction. That indeed may be changing, but with strong identity and not crazy wealth it won't change too much. It does make it really hard if you are outside of the group though, as a lot on this forum I'm sure have noticed.

I'd just like to add finally I had this same though dawn on me on a flight to Colombia. I was watching that Christopher Robin movie (or whatever it is) and they had an irish nanny that the wife of the writer accidentally offended for not being able to get married during her time on earth/marriageable years, which was during the war. The wife almost taunted her but they said why: so many men died.

Men were probably slightly more principled or at least watched over during that time, but yes, the net result was that they, in one way or another, were swimming in pussy. Pussy that had to be top notch for them to consider, given the abundance.

Ain't life grand? At least, as Roosh pointed out not too long ago, you weren't a dude born in Solzhenitsyn's time. Yes, it can always be worse. But even Alexander came out of that with something eternal. And few men can say that.

Post: #84

(09-07-2018 07:18 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  To be honest, in this market, I will be happy with a bunch of low drama 7s in FSU, and even that is a difficult ask, Russian language just the start. Other guys can dedicate their lives and their bank accounts to IG attention whores and other "non-pros" who are in such demand that they request a minimum maintenance fee. When a girl is sitting on your face all you can see is her vagina and her asshole. As long as she is not fat does it matter that the face licking your balls is a 7 or an A+++ 9/10 instagram thot?

At this point, I'd say this is the guide to life. Get to some place where whatever 7 is for you is abundant, everything else becomes major diminishing returns. Kudos, Skank_

Post: #85

(09-11-2018 09:10 PM)Delta Wrote:  

(09-06-2018 10:12 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  Let me explain something. Women hate being fucked and chucked. They hate being treated like they are disposable. They figure out that the hot guys on Tinder are drowning in pussy and they begin to avoid that shit. This is why the male to female ratio on these dating apps is so decidedly male. They often bounce to a few other apps, and find it's all the same issue. So, what do they do? Where do they go? Nowhere! I know a lot of very good looking girls in LA that are literally going through thier lives waiting for some dude to come up to them in a grocery store and hit on them. The problem is that millennial men are so consumed with self doubt after being beaten down on dating apps... that they don't bother to approach anymore.

This is extremely interesting. With the endless talk of horrific ratios in any venue designed for meeting the opposite sex, be it dating apps, bars/clubs, parties, Meetup groups, etc., more attention needs to be given to the obvious question: What the fuck is up with the enormous glut of single women who aren't doing any of these things (which there must be, mathematically)? What's keeping them away when the odds are so overwhelmingly in their favor?

Your explanation is plausible, but there are many other potential ones as well. This question could be a thread in itself.

I have a different theory. Most hot women don't use those apps unless they're trying to boost their self-esteem.

Hot women are eyefucked and hit on all day. They have their choice of men that they come across every day. Tinder would be a waste of time for them because they can more easily find a dude in real life.

Post: #86

(09-11-2018 10:27 PM)Gotti Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 09:10 PM)Delta Wrote:  

(09-06-2018 10:12 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  Let me explain something. Women hate being fucked and chucked. They hate being treated like they are disposable. They figure out that the hot guys on Tinder are drowning in pussy and they begin to avoid that shit. This is why the male to female ratio on these dating apps is so decidedly male. They often bounce to a few other apps, and find it's all the same issue. So, what do they do? Where do they go? Nowhere! I know a lot of very good looking girls in LA that are literally going through thier lives waiting for some dude to come up to them in a grocery store and hit on them. The problem is that millennial men are so consumed with self doubt after being beaten down on dating apps... that they don't bother to approach anymore.

This is extremely interesting. With the endless talk of horrific ratios in any venue designed for meeting the opposite sex, be it dating apps, bars/clubs, parties, Meetup groups, etc., more attention needs to be given to the obvious question: What the fuck is up with the enormous glut of single women who aren't doing any of these things (which there must be, mathematically)? What's keeping them away when the odds are so overwhelmingly in their favor?

Your explanation is plausible, but there are many other potential ones as well. This question could be a thread in itself.

I have a different theory. Most hot women don't use those apps unless they're trying to boost their self-esteem.

Hot women are eyefucked and hit on all day. They have their choice of men that they come across every day. Tinder would be a waste of time for them because they can more easily find a dude in real life.

There's a roughly equal number of men and women out there. For every sad single dude who isn't finding love, there's a sad single woman who isn't finding love. One side can't be having an "easier time" finding a partner, that's mathematically impossible.

Yet the sad single dudes are crawling all over dating apps, bars, singles mingles, Meetups, speed dating events, etc., while most single women do absolutely nothing about their predicament. Why? That's the million dollar question.

Post: #87

Dude are you forgetting that women would rather share the top 20% of men than commit to ones in the lower rungs?

Why do you think there's no incel groups for women. Your math is way off.

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Post: #88

^ Dude there are plenty of incel women.

You’re forgetting that sex doesn’t feel that good to most women, and that the attention of a few weak men is highly undesirable/unsatisfactory.

I see women everyday that have no value; childless cat ladies everywhere with life sucking corporate jobs, and the pain of the occasional pump and dump, while failing time after time trying to get guys to commit.

Women are mirrors: if men are miserable, so are they.

Post: #89

You're talking about things you know exactly shit about or you're trolling.

Women enjoy sex just as much if not more than men. You've had sex with girls right? Is it strange to you that almost every single one of them can't shut the fuck up during and have multiple orgasms. If it is, your dick game needs some goddamn work.

No value huh? Women have innate value in the sexual market place. All those ugly fat cat ladies can get dicked the fuck down any day of the goddamn week and a lot of them do. Less than 1 percent and I would be surprised at that are involuntarily celibate

Women aren't mirrors; they're women. And that kind of thinking will drive you up the wall until you drop it.

The fuck out of here with your [pick one below] ass

A) know nothing
B) troll
C) female
D) all of the above

If you picked A i feel sorry for telling you to gtfo and instead you should lurk before you post and change your tone from a knowitall contrarian to a student that asks questions. You'll be a lot better off.

Post: #90

Quote: there are just too many men

No, there could be just 2 men and if you weren't the Number 1 man then you wouldn't be getting the roots.

It's about being the top man.

Post: #91

Incel is mostly for men - the can't get sex
Insol is for women - they can't get commitment

So the two are functionally equivalent, even though most women can still get sex from someone..

That innate value stems from the sheer number of guys in the middle of the bell curve who fuck the 3s and 4s that the rest of us would not even consider.

As long as there are thirsty guys then there will be a large set of women with 'artificially' inflated SMV.

And yet, many women are failing to achieve what they really want: a long term relationship with an alpha.

Post: #92

So....we're going down a rabbit hole of bloodletting males and discussing incel females.

Post: #93

Gentlemen,

I've done (more than) my fair share to contribute to the derailment, but let's take the blackpill stuff into another thread, aye?

Keep this thread positively focussed on techniques and developments to overcome, rather than lamentation without proposals for how to overcome.

Remember you can quote between threads if you want to continue a conversation from here in a new or existing thread.

Apologies to ActaNonVerba for my part in this.

Here are the existing black pill per se threads:

Everything about Black Pill

The Black Pill - RooshV podcast

Inside the Black Pill, the Web’s Worst Ideology

and of course the 'daygame thread' where a lot of blackpill(-adjacent) theory has been touched upon, expounded, or crafted:

Is daygame the worst way to meet women?

- P

Post: #94

(09-11-2018 11:59 PM)Flux Wrote:  ^ Dude there are plenty of incel women.

You’re forgetting that sex doesn’t feel that good to most women, and that the attention of a few weak men is highly undesirable/unsatisfactory.

I see women everyday that have no value; childless cat ladies everywhere with life sucking corporate jobs, and the pain of the occasional pump and dump, while failing time after time trying to get guys to commit.

Women are mirrors: if men are miserable, so are they.

This is why threads get derailed...
Nothing personal but looks like you've never fucked in your life.
TROLL 100%

Post: #95

I've posted my 2 cents have been posted elsewhere so....

(01-16-2017 01:43 PM)btz Wrote:  This won't be popular but I'll admit I fall under this generalization as well.

A good percentage of guys who have to learn game, probably 50%, are playing catch up in developing their social and dating skills because they weren't developed during their teen years. In turn this forces them into scripted stereotypes of PUAs (big hats and makeup, dark triad bad boy/fuck boy, spam approaching dancing monkey, gym bro whos only hobby is lifting, etc) and while you can get success with those types of "game" the issue is that women very easily compartmentalize guys and react accordingly. 90% of guys game is 1 dimensional so they only get 1 dimension of treatment from women. If they fall into any of the mentioned pua categories then 99% of the time it's terrible.

The same way guys know how to "game" certain types of girls (daddy issues, bottle rats, rave girls, etc) to get what they want (sex) women also know how to game PUA stereotypes to get what they want (attention, validation, free stuff) and the way they do that is with:

-lies
-cheating
-flaking
-stringing you along for attention
-etc

Think about it, if you were a girl and you wanted to get what you wanted and you knew the guy fell under one of the pua/player stereotypes how would you game them to maximize returns? By banging him the first hour or stringing him along to make him think he's almost there?

When women come across a guy whos "normal" or as the community likes to call it a "natural" (takes care of himself, has a grip on his career, has abundance, dresses sharp, has a multidimensional/interesting personality, knows when to be alpha, knows when to be "beta", knows when/how to flirt, lead, escalate, etc) she'll treat him like royalty because it'll be a good hookup and in her mind she's thinking "i'm almost there" in terms of commitment the same way the PUA is thinking about a hookup. It's game reversed on you.

For every guy who says "X western city has terrible women" i'm sure he knows at least 1 "natural" of equal looks and status who says the city has amazing women. That's because the "natural" isn't playing catch up and hasn't boxed himself in to 1 dimension of game with 1 dimension of treatment.

Don't get me wrong, certain cities have their own issues (toronto/DC SJWS, LA flaking, NYC 3 digit notch counts, etc) but those issues don't just apply to the women and there are plenty of good women to be found in those cities. Certain foreign cities do make it easier for a variety of reasons but the one thing they all have in common is that you're not like the local guys. And if you were to ask the local guys who fall into any PUA category they'll tell you the same, "the women here are terrible".

Given the option yes I'd choose Moscow over LA because it'll be 10x easier but when you hear "all the women in x city are trash" it's safe to say you're dealing with a guy who's still developing himself and hasn't calibrated his game yet.

(07-28-2018 11:15 AM)btz Wrote:  Guys who refuse to have instagrams remind me of my older brother when he first got his cell phone, that thin motorola one that came out after the sidekick - i think it was called the razer v3. It was his first cell phone and he hated texting, for obvious reasons as it was new and annoying on whatever non-qwerty keyboards were called. He'd always tell girls "no i never text, just call me" as texting was picking up and everyone (especially girls) were using it. He was good looking enough to have girls text him, but he'd always ignore it and called right away instead and they'd cut the convos. Eventually he learned, women want to text so he has to text otherwise he's going to lose out to the guys who do text.

I don't like social media, don't like working out, don't like turning down pizza and donuts, don't like overpriced drinks and loud music, etc but certain things have to be tolerated.. If some guy came here and said he thinks texting is lame and stupid as many young guys 10-15 years ago believed everyone would rip the piss out of him for fucking up his own game over something so trivial. A bad instagram >>>>> no instagram. If you need an excuse just steal my buddies real excuse: "photography is something I've loved since a child but I never showed the tens of thousands of pictures I took to anyone, I wanted a hobby that was only for my enjoyment"

If you hate it so much that you can't stand to use it then fine I can respect that and even envy it to an extent because I don't enjoy it either, but lets not pretend it isn't a major blow almost as bad as a guy who prefers to use a landline over a cell phone. I'm sure some guys can work around it but IMO it requires far less effort to upload a picture every now and then and just get 100 or so followers by following friends of friends and family members.

Every girl is on instagram and they're all using it to filter out guys, not having one doesn't make you look like some lone wolf alpha is makes you look like a traveling snake oil salesman in the era of yelp. There is 0 reason for a girl to risk a lame date, bad sex, low status beta male, psychopath axe murderer, etc when she has the option of 10 other guys who are all socially vetted. Social media is a lot like texting, either jump on the train or get ran over like the guys who thought texting was for feminine faggots.

Lastly, female friends... get some. It's a radical concept in the manosphere where having female friends instantly makes you a dick sucking faggot for some reason, but many of them are pretty cool and great to hang out with. No, being their friend doesn't mean you turn into their beta bitch lap dog it just means you're their friend, just like one of the guys. The advantage is your social circle will grow dramatically because even a 2/10 blue haired dyke is going to have x10 the social abundance you ever will, i dgaf how good your game is you will never be on that level.

Somebody asked why every place they go to is a sausage fest? It's because the girls aren't going there anymore and if you had female friends you'd know all the spots and more importantly get invited to go out with them on a frequent basis since *true male friends* are so rare for women they highly value them. Just going to a venue that isn't 80% guys with the pre-selection of a girl is going to drastically increase the ease and quality of girls you meet.

Post: #96

Some comments on our situation and possible responses to it.

Situation 1: Night game is dead or dying. It seems that dating apps have largely taken over this role for many women and that ratios are getting rose.
Response 1: Improve your internet presence. This is vital to any man at any phase of their life and it will only pay off more in the future.
Response 2: That makes day game much easier and better, improve and master daygame.
Response 3: That it will lead to other men departing night game eventually. The grounds are still fertile if you have high value in the arena, but keep a pulse on when/where these events start picking up.

Situation 2: Internet based interactions are becoming more important and so is technology.
Response 1: See response 1 above.
Response 2:This offers you other opportunities to improve your value through leadership. For instance, in my younger years I started an online forum. Just because I was the admin of it, women sent me nudes. So if you can create an online community that translates to IRL value (a meetup.com group that is successful) you may reap rewards.
Response 3: Adapt your approach to dating to incorporate technology. I actually have a visual pipeline of how many girls I am dating and where they are in the FWB conversion process. Use the technology to perform Data Driven Dating, where you have actual statistics and data to see the demographics you are performing well with, those you are not appealing to, what is working, and what is causing a bang to fail.

Situation 3: The ratio of men in venues and online to women is heavily stacked against us.
Response 1: Do more approaches and put in more work. There is a huge difference between the population of men online and the population of women in that, while nearly 100% of chicks are receiving messages, many men are just passively there, and not actively using it. Most men at bars don't approach. Most men online don't approach either-- many matches go without a message.
Response 2: Self-improvement. Core theme of our times. In other times, women had to compete more, there were fewer men. In our times, we have to compete more.
Response 3: Use the data you have to go to venues/target markets where you are going to be the best option. Scout out high-female-low-male locations. Once you stop limiting yourself to bars or nightclubs, you can start finding where these other women are going.

Post: #97

I feel like we have to almost take the game discussion to another level, like there needs to be a revolution in regards to giving advice, but the one thing that is killing that revolution is the ego that guys who have done it a certain way for years have. Lately, I've been reading a book by Robert Greene about the strategies of war where he mentions that whenever the new school of thought comes toe to toe with the more traditional way of doing things, the new way always wins. You just cannot resist change, nature rewards those that adapt.

Now so many older guys in the game who have taken the pill are set in their ways, they're not going to adjust, and that's okay. The issue becomes when these same guys crash discussions on social media with the whole "its for bitches" mindset and stop younger men from getting advice on how to use it as a tool in their arsenal.

It's a paradox for us.

On one hand, you have to be "alpha" and say fuck you to society as you do your own thing but on the other, you have to take into account that you are living in society and to some extent have to play by its rules as one of the 48 laws of power says.

My thoughts are we cannot let stubbornness and guys being set in their ways sabotage discussions about innovative ideas and those that center around the way society is currently. Diss the millennials all you want, long line for that, but a good number of attractive women you all want to bang are in that generation. Unfortunately for most guys, this alpha lone-wolf mindset will just make you out to be a loner neckbeard, in b4 stories of the 1 in 1 million exception....

Post: #98

^ I think that rather than discussing whether social media is "good", "bad", or any of those black/white terms, it would be much more fruitful and relevant to discuss exactly HOW to use social media to help with game.

Here is my perspective. I am in my mid-20s and have a decent Instagram, several thousand followers, cool pics w friends ("social proof"), OK engagement, etc. Want to know how many of my nightgame pulls this year, or last year for that matter, saw or asked for my IG before they went home with me? ZERO. And this is in one of the most social media obsessed cities in the country.

In fact, in the very few cases where I proactively brought up IG and showed it to a girl, she didn't end up going home with me. Why? Because I brought her out of the zone, and went from creating a fantasy to it suddenly being "real". I have yet to find a smooth way to bring up your instagram in the middle of an approach. Not a lot of girls are going to suddenly want to fuck you right then and there cause you have an IG, unless you are actually social media famous in some way.

On the other hand, IG is great for pipelining. Instead of taking a number, you can grab her IG and follow each other. You can see if she views your story, etc, and she gets to see your profile as social proof. I've gotten a slightly better conversion rate doing this than with numbers. Plus, when you're traveling between cities, its a great way to keep yourself on her radar.

In short, my take is that social media is almost useless for getting one night stands, but can be great for pipelining.

Post: #99

I definitely agree it is quite the paradox.

Interpretation A: You are a lame follower beta male following both male and even female peers in posting classic IG type travel pictures that pretty much everyone has. You are a faggot who has a panic attack if you don't consume your minimum daily soy quota.

Interpretation B: You are a throwback lone wolf alpha ("sigma"), mysterious and masculine as you stubbornly and summarily reject the inherently fem-centric IG platform and all the faggotry that ensues on male accounts. Personally, my slightly cocky/narcissistic but jovial and warm "fuck you" attitude to what I believe are ridiculous social norms enhance the attraction when face to face, because certain vibes are just attractive to women and always have been, however, a lot of my preferred women are heavily K select types who will also process things logically. When I am in front of them, be it first approach, on the date etc., I have power over them to varying degrees, and sometimes I can see them just melt, but as Krauser says in his ridiculously detailed book on daygame featuring as per thread title "new techniques", just because a girl was genuinely very attracted to you on your first meeting or date, she can still completely ghost, and it's done. When you have even an average IG you at least demonstrate when she goes home to flick through what she thinks is your real life story that you are normal and safe. Because sometimes you can overcook shy girls in terms of attraction and "scare the cat" as it were, so bizarrely a more average, less player oriented IG might be better. For other girls, a more heavily R-Selected SMV "my life is awesome" IG might be better. So now you get into the thick of creating completely different IG profiles for different major types of girl. This goes to show that nothing is universal, that includes having IG. Strong Yes girls who just want you to not fuck up because they want your sex aren't going to reject you for not having IG. Further to this, as RDF says, you can have social media obsessed girls who were "Maybes" and still you don't need IG. There can be benefit but the benefit is often marginal. Further to that point, even, is something that resonates with me: (particularly if the benefit of having an IG is marginal vs no IG) if IG and other social media grate on your soul that much to the point that your happiness, and hence your productivity, your vibe, your essence, your fucking being - which is core to effective "game" - then in such cases, maybe you have to go all in on the alpha/sigma lone wolf renegade and don't look back.

The only advantage the guy in (A) has is that he at least appears "normal", if distinctly average and therefore not that attractive to most hot girls. (An exception would be a genuine baller IG but these are in the minority.) When you cold approach, especially in "uncommon" settings such as in day game, girls will no longer wonder how you are so confident, they will question whether you are a weirdo who does daygame because he is just a weird cunt and/or because he doesn't have any other access to females and/or he could possibly be an axe murderer or [insert irrational female worst case scenario here]. Why do you think such average but crucially normal guys can punch so far above their weight in social circle versus cold approach? Because even if they appear average, they are at least safe and normal, vetted by male and female friends, observed multiple times in a natural social environment. There is a lot of waxing lyrical about the "mysterious bad boy" and girls do get turned on by that but at the same time she doesn't want to get murdered. Given the anti-male propaganda nowadays even EE girls are more conscious to vet men for normalcy first of all, the means being social media, unfortunately.

I am one of the "old guys" who doesn't have IG but I realize it is limiting me. However when I experience things I experience them. Most people now have a culture of thinking about the photo before anything thus depriving them of key aspects of the experience. Most young people have an obsession with living lives in digital pictures on smartphones rather than truly being in real life. I personally hate it.

One thing I would disagree with is the idea that a bad IG >>> no IG at all. Obviously it depends on degree but generally if you are a fat loser neckbeard who only goes to autist-type conventions then you're probably better off giving yourself less rope to hang yourself with by working on the basics such as not being obese, at least trying to be more normal and hence attractive to women, and so forth.

Secretly I'm hoping by the time I have enough retardedly taken pictures this whole IG fad will have ended and people move on to the next one. Things change fast in technology.

Post: #100

(09-13-2018 09:20 PM)RDF Wrote:  On the other hand, IG is great for pipelining. Instead of taking a number, you can grab her IG and follow each other. You can see if she views your story, etc, and she gets to see your profile as social proof. I've gotten a slightly better conversion rate doing this than with numbers. Plus, when you're traveling between cities, its a great way to keep yourself on her radar.

In short, my take is that social media is almost useless for getting one night stands, but can be great for pipelining.

Here's the thing, HOW are you getting ahead of the pack?

Following eachother on IG is just more orbiting is it not?

You've gotta have a killer IG to raise eyebrows, I only know of a handful of guys who have that on here.

Also here's my logic, especially if you're trying to strike while the iron is hot:

Send a text - open phone and reply.
Send a DM - open phone, open IG, open message and reply (she's got alot more messages in her DM than text also)

If we're finding the fastest process to contact and close.

It's definitely helpful to BOTH the number and the IG wouldn't it?

Women obviously are willing to give their IG/Snap out more than their phone number.

Number are more personal and direct than and IG DM or comment.

I agree on the pipelining - these are girls on the backburner aka residual bangs.

I've gotten numbers and some bangs from IG - I just let rotational girls know that I'm not about IG or them following me. Keeps things less complicated and drama free with them at least even when I had an LTR and plates also.