Post: #51

I agree with the OP that it's getting harder to just maintain the same quality standards, if you've been doing this travel game shit for a while.

You have to go harder, and improve your look just to maintain results from say a few years ago. The world is still a decent place for guys who like to bang soft 6s and 5s (granted the definition of these arbitrary numbers varies from guy to guy).

If you want to bang 7s or higher (basically hot girl next door type chicks that can't quite model but can do some side modeling) then you have to go extremely hard, or be very good looking with at least decent game.

I'm ok with just working harder to maintain results. Also exploring new places can help, and then just approach more. That's pretty much my solution. Find a better city, and approach more girls and try to slightly improve your approach every time.

Post: #52

Any guy on here traveling has banged 5s or 6s, including myself. Unless you have something extremely rare like being 10/10 male model or are famous you are not banging tons of girls traveling that are 7-8+. There are guys banging hotter girls and it requires dedication and some luck which isn't attainable while you are out banging 4s and 5s every night of the week. Nothing wrong with either, it's a matter of preference and if someone is happy and honest about things they are OK in my book. Anyone on here making big claims without any type of proof is usually here for validation and not to learn anything. The best threads on here are the guys posting their shortcomings and failures, those are the best places to learn. If someone is talking about the girls they bang more than their failures its a clear giveaway they are full of shit.

Post: #53

everyone has a quality range.

for me I try to keep it above the solid 6 level, basically a girl that is very cute that almost any guy would want to bed.

It's troubling though that this level is becoming harder to maintain. and I approach a lot.

I think a lot of guys are just starting to accept their fate, or they are dumpster diving. There are also delusional incels as well. Guys who say "I only fuck 8s" but they are just not getting laid at all.

If you can't bang within your given quality range in a maximum of two months of gaming, then you're basically a delusional incel with higher standards than you can maintain, or you need to hit a new city.

Post: #54

Great post on here:

(05-15-2018 02:00 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  Here is the thing.

Whether you like it or not, globalization is not going away. If anything, it will only accelerate.

This means that EVERYTHING is becoming more competitive.

Before you competed with people in your town.
Then your county.
Then your state.
Then your country.

Now you are competing with everyone, everywhere across the world.

This goes for money, girls, everything.

If you don't keep up, Punjab is taking your job.
If you don't keep up, Dubai Prince is sliding in your girls DM and shitting in her mouth.

I'm assuming in 10-15 years when places like Southeast Asia are pretty caught up, dudes will no longer be able to fly to the Philippines, etc. and get laid just based on the color of their skin/not being 3rd world.

This has already happened to varying extents in North Asia (China, Korea, Japan), FSU, South America, etc.

Maybe you'll have to go to Africa next.

/thread-68392...pid1783789

Post: #55

If the girl is actually down for Dubai prince then you're just gonna get leftovers. There's no competing against that shit. It's basically straight p4p at that point.

Post: #56

They are all down, it's just a matter of price and whether she thinks he's serious.

Post: #57

(08-24-2018 10:09 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  I agree with the OP that it's getting harder to just maintain the same quality standards, if you've been doing this travel game shit for a while.

I also agree.

Those of us (small in number I guess) who have travelled in the 90s and early 2000s know that all you really had to do was get on a plane to certain areas that weren't well identified classic tourism destinations, and awaiting you at the other end was a rock-star status, a weak local currency, and, even if you did not tick all the boxes (dressing style, physical attractiveness, cultural understanding,ect), often top-tier chicks (8 +) raining. And of course if you ticked all the boxes it was even better, it was the cream of the crop that awaited you.

For a millenial coming of age in today's world, they would probably be insanely jealous of the experiences that we got to live ....... I began to travel extensively in the FSU from the late 90's, and have stories that I guess very few here would believe -but that are true. Those days when there was only one "disco" in Kiev (at the Lybid hotel), or when you showed up in Moscow, Chisinau or Tashkent as a decent looking, well-dressed westerner were truly epic.

In the present day, it's actually totally different.

If I want to examine the positive side, I could say : we experienced it while others will never have the same opportunity. To be rich in incredible memories (admittedly, mines, for the most part, involve lot of vodka and poons) is a treasure. At the same time, it gives us a certain aloofness that most younger guys, or less well-travelled older guys, don't have and that chicks appreciate (at least in my experience).

Post: #58

For short-term travelling this might be true.

I found that knowing the local lingo or having a social circle opens the 8+ doors. Naturally, learning a foreign language or building a solid social circle takes time and is therefore the opposite of short-term travelling.

This is what Roosh said in 2009

Quote:August 26, 2009 Roosh

Why Travel To A Country That Is Harder To Get Laid Than The U.S.?

I got an excellent response to my American Girls Are Easy post:

I always kind of got the impression that THE major benefit of going to places like Colombia was that they were stocked full of beautiful women (way more 8s, 9s, 10s per capita than the U.S., in other words) AND you could seriously do way better there quality-wise than you could in the states: i.e. if the best you could probably get in the U.S. (or whatever your native country is) is a 7.5-8 if you REALLY worked for it, then if you go to Colombia or Brazil or Eastern Europe, THEN the best you could get might be a 8.5-9, maybe even a 10. Do you agree?

Unfortunately no. Your quality dips when you go to countries like Colombia or Argentina. Even if you’re fluent in Spanish, it will be rare you pull better than you did in the States without a lot of time and an enormous amount of effort. So why do it?

I was out with a guy from New York on Thursday at a Medellin club that has the best ladies night in the city. The first 60 girls get in free while everyone else has to pay $15 for an open bar. The point is to get there early to be greeted by tables of girls sitting alone without guys, a rare sight here as everyone goes out in mixed groups. I was talking to my friend at the main bar while warming up with the local drink (aguaardiente). Eventually I asked him why he’s in Colombia when it’s significantly harder to get laid, since as a man with game he didn’t have problems back in the States. He looked at me and just shrugged his shoulders, but I understood him completely.

Sure if I think about it I can come up with valid reasons. I’m here because it’s hard. Because it’s different. Because if it was easy everyone else would be doing it. Because it challenges me. Because the world is a big place. Because I don’t like comfort or stability. Because I’m young. Because the air tastes different. Because it’s cheaper. Because I like taking risks. Because I like speaking a different language. Because I like variety. Because the alternative of living in an American city with an American girlfriend doesn’t appeal to me. Because when I’m on my death bed and look back on my life, I want to see one that was well-lived full of rich experiences, not one of missed opportunity and regret.

I’ve been bitched incredibly hard in South America. I’ve never been so disrespected and so flaked on by women than I have in Colombia and Argentina. I’m talking about ego-shattering treatment that would lead to a hatred of women in weaker men. But I’m still here in Colombia, and I’m still going out and trying my hand, and all the reasons above are just things I came up with after the fact. It’s a game, and I keep going until I get what I want. It’s either in you or not.

If you’re not willing to work harder than you ever have in your life, for returns that are far from guaranteed, then I advise you stay in the United States.

Post: #59

(08-24-2018 11:09 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  Guys who say "I only fuck 8s" but they are just not getting laid at all.

To counteract this point, I'm usually banging what I consider to be 8s and 9s as well as a few 7s but this is what I consider to be 7-9s and is quite valid although I don't harp on about it, I did think I should point out that one guy's 9 is another's 3.

The whole rating system is ridiculous in all honesty as everyone has a different opinion on what a value is and that's the issue when it comes to these kinds of threads.

Post: #60

(08-24-2018 10:09 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  I agree with the OP that it's getting harder to just maintain the same quality standards, if you've been doing this travel game shit for a while.

You have to go harder, and improve your look just to maintain results from say a few years ago. The world is still a decent place for guys who like to bang soft 6s and 5s (granted the definition of these arbitrary numbers varies from guy to guy).

If you want to bang 7s or higher (basically hot girl next door type chicks that can't quite model but can do some side modeling) then you have to go extremely hard, or be very good looking with at least decent game.

I'm ok with just working harder to maintain results. Also exploring new places can help, and then just approach more. That's pretty much my solution. Find a better city, and approach more girls and try to slightly improve your approach every time.

I'm improved my look by getting on TRT and putting on about ten pounds of muscle and shedding a bit of fat, the result was that during my last five month trip to Colombia I hooked up with hotter chicas than I ever have and more of them, it was my best year pussy wise. My Spanish continues to improve and I get to know the culture better, there is a direct correlation between this and the success you'll have.
Honestly it isn't that hard either, I like learning Spanish and hitting the gym anyway.

Post: #61

(08-24-2018 01:49 PM)semibaron Wrote:  For short-term travelling this might be true.

I found that knowing the local lingo or having a social circle opens the 8+ doors. Naturally, learning a foreign language or building a solid social circle takes time and is therefore the opposite of short-term travelling.

You are right. It's ridiculous for someone to say that going somewhere is the same whether you are going for a week or for a year. The more time you spend somewhere the more logistics/venues you know, more language, knowledge of humor, politics, local customs, the list goes on but there are many things to learn somewhere and the more you learn the more/better pussy you will get.

Post: #62

(08-24-2018 01:06 PM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 10:09 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  I agree with the OP that it's getting harder to just maintain the same quality standards, if you've been doing this travel game shit for a while.

I also agree.

Those of us (small in number I guess) who have travelled in the 90s and early 2000s know that all you really had to do was get on a plane to certain areas that weren't well identified classic tourism destinations, and awaiting you at the other end was a rock-star status, a weak local currency, and, even if you did not tick all the boxes (dressing style, physical attractiveness, cultural understanding,ect), often top-tier chicks (8 +) raining. And of course if you ticked all the boxes it was even better, it was the cream of the crop that awaited you.

For a millenial coming of age in today's world, they would probably be insanely jealous of the experiences that we got to live ....... I began to travel extensively in the FSU from the late 90's, and have stories that I guess very few here would believe -but that are true. Those days when there was only one "disco" in Kiev (at the Lybid hotel), or when you showed up in Moscow, Chisinau or Tashkent as a decent looking, well-dressed westerner were truly epic.

In the present day, it's actually totally different.

If I want to examine the positive side, I could say : we experienced it while others will never have the same opportunity. To be rich in incredible memories (admittedly, mines, for the most part, involve lot of vodka and poons) is a treasure. At the same time, it gives us a certain aloofness that most younger guys, or less well-travelled older guys, don't have and that chicks appreciate (at least in my experience).

A significant part of your aloofness is also down to your age and testosterone levels. You don't have the energy for the chase anymore.

Post: #63

(08-24-2018 02:05 PM)CaddishClive Wrote:  A significant part of your aloofness is also down to your age and testosterone levels. You don't have the energy for the chase anymore.

It's certainly true .... but actually I've never been a "chaser", more a "player". Aloofness has always been my game and in my experience it intrigues women - when applied with stylish and refined high-end clothing, luxury watch, nice shoes, ect - and of course a good level of physical attractiveness. This is an effective tactic especially with more sophisticated and better-looking girls… the kind who are used to getting hit on 20 times a night and rejecting all 20. Allow her, at least at this stage in the game, to be the huntress. It's a tactic that I still apply today, and with some success, but as usual, YMMV.

Post: #64

(08-24-2018 02:02 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 10:09 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  I agree with the OP that it's getting harder to just maintain the same quality standards, if you've been doing this travel game shit for a while.

You have to go harder, and improve your look just to maintain results from say a few years ago. The world is still a decent place for guys who like to bang soft 6s and 5s (granted the definition of these arbitrary numbers varies from guy to guy).

If you want to bang 7s or higher (basically hot girl next door type chicks that can't quite model but can do some side modeling) then you have to go extremely hard, or be very good looking with at least decent game.

I'm ok with just working harder to maintain results. Also exploring new places can help, and then just approach more. That's pretty much my solution. Find a better city, and approach more girls and try to slightly improve your approach every time.

I'm improved my look by getting on TRT and putting on about ten pounds of muscle and shedding a bit of fat, the result was that during my last five month trip to Colombia I hooked up with hotter chicas than I ever have and more of them, it was my best year pussy wise. My Spanish continues to improve and I get to know the culture better, there is a direct correlation between this and the success you'll have.
Honestly it isn't that hard either, I like learning Spanish and hitting the gym anyway.

Yes if you spend your days working, learning a language, and hitting the gym then you can't go far wrong

Post: #65

(08-24-2018 02:28 PM)Count Pierre Wrote:  It's certainly true, but actually I've never been a "chaser", more a "player". Aloofness has always been my game and in my experience it intrigues women - when applied with stylish and refined clothes, luxury watch, nice shoes, ect - and of course a good level of physical attractiveness. This is an effective tactic especially with more sophisticated and better-looking girls… the kind who are used to getting hit on 20 times a night and rejecting all 20. Allow her, at least at this stage in the game, to be the huntress. It's a tactic that I still apply today, and with some success, but as usual, YMMV.

Scarcity vs abundance mindset

Post: #66

(08-24-2018 01:58 PM)Bikal Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 11:09 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  Guys who say "I only fuck 8s" but they are just not getting laid at all.

To counteract this point, I'm usually banging what I consider to be 8s and 9s as well as a few 7s but this is what I consider to be 7-9s and is quite valid although I don't harp on about it, I did think I should point out that one guy's 9 is another's 3.

The whole rating system is ridiculous in all honesty as everyone has a different opinion on what a value is and that's the issue when it comes to these kinds of threads.

I think you wanted to post there : /thread-70356.html

Post: #67

Some guys like dumpster diving.

Hugh Grant / Divine Brown comes to mind.

Post: #68

It’s certainly true. In Lebanon I had a certain standard because of the social scene and stuff so you wouldn’t really wanna be seen with uglies. For a long time I’d only bang 7+. Granted there were drought periods a lot.

When I started traveling a lot I’ve been banging uglies. Short term it’s 5s and 6s. Usually by the end of the first week/10 days id have met the high quality but not banged yet.

My goal for next year is to do one month trips + minimum. Looking back I’m not happy with my short term trips standards. I prefer to put in more work/time and have a network of high quality women than go for the easy numbers.

Post: #69

Any theories on why 8’s and 9’s are so difficult to lay compared to 6’s and a lot of 7’s? Does this mean they always have lower notch counts than 6’s, considering it takes so much time and effort to get them in bed?

I seriously doubt it. I don’t see why a girls 1-10 attractiveness has any weight on how much she wants and enjoys sex from a man she is attracted to. If anything, hotter girls should have higher notch counts due to their endless options and therefore temptation?

Post: #70

(08-25-2018 04:03 AM)SeaFM Wrote:  Some guys like dumpster diving.

Hugh Grant / Divine Brown comes to mind.

There is nothing more intoxicating than treating a thick 4 with a westernized / tinderella attitude like a complete sub-whore, from the beginning until the end, and that your SMV is so high compared to her that she will enjoy it and say thank you sir. To give her zero compromise, to show her absolutely zero respect (even before she comes over. To chat her by text only to bark orders at her or give logistical data) and when she arrives, to make her understand that she has only one usefulness to you : being a quick cum dumpster for the fix of the day.

I admit though that 4 is my hard limit for enjoying the sex. Fucking a 3 is just disgusting and makes me feel bad after it.

Post: #71

You should fuck every girl that way. That’s why you can’t shake a 4 or a 5 and why 8’s and 9’s never seem satisfied with anything.

Give her the D.

Post: #72

Thanks for your experienced advice. Go try that on them and report back here. I'm confident that your revolutionary mindset will open the gates of the 8s who come straight to the condo after being treated like shit on text.

Post: #73

Quote:Any theories on why 8’s and 9’s are so difficult to lay compared to 6’s and a lot of 7’s? Does this mean they always have lower notch counts than 6’s, considering it takes so much time and effort to get them in bed?

this is by definition - 8's and 9's located in top market segment, hence there is always huge demand for them. So they have a lot of options, and this is the reason it is so hard to bang them for majority guys, as competition is huge for those top girls.

My supposition, those top girls getting much higher notch count figures, it is just with the guys they select from tons of their options, while still leaving impression that they are harder to get for the rest.

Post: #74

Already proven.

You’re welcome.

Post: #75

(08-25-2018 04:58 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  Any theories on why 8’s and 9’s are so difficult to lay compared to 6’s and a lot of 7’s? Does this mean they always have lower notch counts than 6’s, considering it takes so much time and effort to get them in bed?

I seriously doubt it. I don’t see why a girls 1-10 attractiveness has any weight on how much she wants and enjoys sex from a man she is attracted to. If anything, hotter girls should have higher notch counts due to their endless options and therefore temptation?

Supply and demand. They have way more guys throwing themselves at them and white knighting them. That's why western places have way more cunty girls, it's not the womens fault it's the men who are white knighting them. Even if you go to a place like Colombia or Ukraine where the women are sweet and feminine, you meet a girl who has dated tons of western guys and you see the same cunty traits that western girls have. That's why you can go to certain countries and hot girls won't be cunty, it's because of the men there and the low amount of western men traveling there.