(05-22-2017 03:44 PM)Ringo Wrote:  @captain_shane and PT:

I tried my best to get her to stay a little longer without promising I'd take her to her place. But she insisted that either I'd take her to her place or she'd leave with her friends.

I didn't want to lie and I wasn't paying more for a cab just to drop her off and then go home. I thought there was no way I would be able to bang at her family's house but now that you mention maybe it would have been possible. I'm just so used to bringing girls to my place for the last two years.

I should clear up that when I said I should "have lied and said I'd take her home, and then just Uber to my place" what I mean is not getting in the car with her and driving some place she didn't want to go. But rather postpone her decision until her friends left and then, all of a sudden, the Uber is there and I propose we go home. "It just happened" and all.

What did happen was my wingman/flatmate joined me and her and we tried convincing one of her friends to tag along (my wing and her had been dancing together and he was willing to bang her).

They both agreed and we were very close to getting into the car with them, but we bumped into the rest of their friends who were still out on the street. Our Uber was a couple of minutes away and they (other girls and some gay dudes) dissuaded the two chicks.

(05-22-2017 08:35 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  Had some good results this weekend. Almost pulled a 7 from the bar on Friday and on Saturday I got a notch.

My game on Friday was good but something went wrong and I'm not sure. My roommate and I hit up these two girls sitting by themselves at a table and less than 5 minutes later my roommate is kissing one of them (the one he was talking to was probably a 5; mine was a 7). I look at my girl and we both kind of laugh and I'm like "well, we don't want them to feel like their the only ones making out, we should join them". She agreed and we started kissing too. I'm not much of a dancer but she dragged me out to the dance floor, we're dancing pretty close together...more kissing...(this is looking good I think). So the bar is closing down and we invite the girls over to our place. Her friend agrees, but the girl I'm with start putting up major ASD. I tell her "I'll be good" and she says "yes, but I'm afraid I won't". Hmm so I know she wants to come over. But I just couldn't beat that hamster. I ended up walking her to her car, made out with her again, and then she was off. I fell asleep on the couch while my roommate is banging her friend.

The night was going good but I screwed up somewhere at the end I guess. Maybe I was acting too needy for her to come back to my place?

Quote:Step 4. Absolutely do not kiss her. Do not, I repeat, go for the make-out at the venue.
This is the counter-intuitive part. There will be a logical time where it seems like you should, and could, go for the escalating make-out. Ideally, this will be around the time you've finished off a slow-paced first round of drinks. If you've played your logistics correctly, you will have settled your tab (by not opening one in the first place) on the first round, so you're free to leave the venue at any point.

But don't kiss her. You should imply (physically) that you might be starting to want to, but "haven't decided yet." This means giving the subtle physical cues--like the ever-so-slightly lingering eye contact above--not some sort of overt act. She'll likely be giving you some of her own cues that she's down, but don't do it. Of course, don't avoid it pussy-like, like you're scared to do it, but like you're steadily being won you over. Keep in mind that you're being gregarious and touchy the whole time, not awkward and uncomfortable. This is very subtle physical communication, but being in that state-of-mind will help to convey this emotion.

At around the 60 to 90-minute mark, I say something like, "hey, let's do round two somewhere else." You may get some, "I have to work (or class) the next day" resistance, that's why it's important to do it on the early side, since this early in evening, it's still too early to raise this concern. She can't argue with you.

This--if I haven't already done so--is where I suggest that we go to my place, so I can "make her that drink" or whatever bachelor-pad bait I've used that night. What's more, "I live pretty close from here anyway." She knows that I'm going to try something, because I've done everything in my power to subtly suggest it, but she can reasonably expect that that's going to be merely making out. A little private make-out session probably sounds good (and safe) to her, so she's more-than-likely going to be down.

This is where not spending your make-out token plays a big part. She has iron-clad plausible deniability that all you're looking for is a private place to make out with her, that's all. Because nothing's happened so far, she feels a lot less committed about going over to your place than if you'd already made out and the next thing on the escalation hierarchy has to be sexual.

Because you've been charming and cool, you don't seem like a chump who can't put it down either. She wants to make out with you and recognizes this is her chance.

(05-22-2017 04:38 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  I know exactly where it went wrong

Im going use my firecracker analogy again. Would you light a firecrackers fuse before you were ready for it to go off? Of course not. Similarly you shouldnt be making out with a girl until youre in the/a bang location

(05-22-2017 05:33 PM)Repo Wrote:  Ugh I wish I knew the no kiss rule years ago. It is so hard not to go for the kiss when she is top tier quality and you know she'll go with it. I've ruined it a few times with this mistake.

(05-22-2017 04:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 04:38 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  I know exactly where it went wrong

Im going use my firecracker analogy again. Would you light a firecrackers fuse before you were ready for it to go off? Of course not. Similarly you shouldnt be making out with a girl until youre in the/a bang location

I can't emphasize this enough.

Don't blow your load too soon.

I NEVER mack down on a chick unless we're in bed or I know I can't bang her the same night - and even then not until the end of the date.

Not kissing her during the date gets her hamster rolling:

-Why hasn't he kissed me yet ?
-Is he even into me ? Well he seems like
-Maybe I should flirt more ? Touch him ?

You can see the hamster moving fast.

Just keep it friendly, cool, flirtatious, and most of all keep the laughs coming.

(04-06-2017 07:46 PM)ksbms Wrote:  The road to sex is paved with good intentions?

Approached a half Middle Eastern, half British chick in food section in M&S store. Petite, dark haired, quite sexy, nicely dressed, 6.5-7. First she faced the isle, but she warmed up and opened up body posture, had good 10 minutes conversation, got number. Probed logistics, which will be key - she was finished with uni, and on Friday leaving Scotland and I was out of town for business until Wednesday afternoon. Had good, tough to the point, texting back and forth with her, asked if Thursday would be good for her, she replied yes [...].

All in all, conversation was good

Frustratingly, she would every now and then say she'd have to be going soon to catch her flight. [...] Finally, got an overt acknowledgement of sexual attraction but it was near midnight and she didn't drink much. Said we should bounce, got outside, kissed more. [...] We walked but the situation deteriorated, she said she wouldn't let me in, and after crossing traffic lights, I kind of slowed down to see her reaction, she kept walking, I came to a halt, she turned around a good few steps ahead of me, smiled, waved, then kept walking away.

I presume, I will never see her again, though she lives in London, where she moves back in a week's time.

(05-14-2017 04:26 AM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  Life isn't real life; more accurately, life is absurd.

I've mentioned my 2nd to last ex which ended really poorly due to a bunch of reasons some beyond our control but I was a huge emotional beta at that time.

4 months ago, after not running into her for 1.5 years, we stopped at the same stop light which I detailed in the No Contact Thread

At that point, I was sexless for 13 months (12 of those months self imposed) and became extremely frustrated over the next 4 months putting in dozens of day game approaches mostly getting no where. As some of you may have read, things have changed quite a bit and I've improved (still a long way to go) and I've fucked 6 new chicks in 6 weeks.

So just as all this is happening, the ex mentioned above texted me this evening apologizing for how things ended and that she misses me and my family. She said she doesn't know if I'll get the message because she thinks I blocked her but she wanted to say sorry.

How the fuck does this actually happen. It's pretty humorous actually. Just as I start to get some momentum and can feel that I'm on the verge of breaking through, these girls know exactly when to come around.

I'm not sure if I'll reply. I'm not sure what to do really. So much damage has been done BUT I was never closer to someone than I was her and although she might have hid the crazy or our circumstances made her crack, she is closer to wife material than most of the girls out there.

I'll sit on this one but I know everyone will say don't do it.

(05-24-2017 01:20 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 04:26 AM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  Life isn't real life; more accurately, life is absurd.

I've mentioned my 2nd to last ex which ended really poorly due to a bunch of reasons some beyond our control but I was a huge emotional beta at that time.

4 months ago, after not running into her for 1.5 years, we stopped at the same stop light which I detailed in the No Contact Thread

At that point, I was sexless for 13 months (12 of those months self imposed) and became extremely frustrated over the next 4 months putting in dozens of day game approaches mostly getting no where. As some of you may have read, things have changed quite a bit and I've improved (still a long way to go) and I've fucked 6 new chicks in 6 weeks.

So just as all this is happening, the ex mentioned above texted me this evening apologizing for how things ended and that she misses me and my family. She said she doesn't know if I'll get the message because she thinks I blocked her but she wanted to say sorry.

How the fuck does this actually happen. It's pretty humorous actually. Just as I start to get some momentum and can feel that I'm on the verge of breaking through, these girls know exactly when to come around.

I'm not sure if I'll reply. I'm not sure what to do really. So much damage has been done BUT I was never closer to someone than I was her and although she might have hid the crazy or our circumstances made her crack, she is closer to wife material than most of the girls out there.

I'll sit on this one but I know everyone will say don't do it.

I replied to her days later saying we should meet for coffee but I'm going on a weekend trip and will meet her when I get back.

I met her last night for drinks.

As good as my date game has become, I've realized that this woman has always been steps ahead of me in terms of game even to this day. I felt like I was being reversed gamed. The way she looked at me, the way she talked to me and the way she touched me - I was being seduced. She even told me that she had feelings for me all this time (she had 1 LTR since then which ended 7 months ago).

I foolishly kissed her and things progressed from there. We didn't have sex because I didn't want to get a hotel. Tonight I'm meeting her again and I'm extremely weary. She knows that I'm fucking multiple girls right now but said she doesn't care because I have my own life and she just wants to have fun with me. I am being gamed.

(05-25-2017 06:22 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  Well she told me that she loved me last night and that she never stopped even when she was in her last LTR. I told her I'm open to seeing where this goes but don't want to rush anything. She is pretending that she's okay with this being "casual."

Here's what I see happening over the next few weeks/months:

1. She will continue to pretend to respect my autonomy and me banging other chicks.
2. She will start to try to hang out/bang more on the regular.
3. She will start to try to make me jealous. On this note, things are slightly different now because she has at least 1 if not 2 orbiters now and she's already planting seeds of jealousy.
4. Finally, I'll get an ultimatum.

I am playing with fire but I never really got over this chick and our chemistry is amazing so I'll try to proceed without being too invested for now. Her girl game is steps ahead of mine but what I have now are options and I can't forget this.

Quote:Imagine this: you meet a girl, and you feel an instant connection with her. It's not just like "you're chill" or "I don't hate spending time with you", it feels like a physical and emotional connection down to the very core of your soul. This beautiful girl hangs on your every word, and just seems to find you to be the most fascinating person that she's ever met. You can talk to her about anything, and she is constantly telling you how you're just perfect for her. She understands everything about you, and sees you for the great person you are. You feel like a better person because of how she reveres you, and sees the greatness in you. She latches onto you, and finds you fascinating. Whether it's your work as a writer or an investment banker, she finds your life to be amazing and wants to be part of it. You're happy to let someone in that "just gets you." You believe God created this woman for you.

The sex is mind blowing. While she might look like the girl next door, this woman fucks like a porn star, just oozing with sexuality behind closed doors. It's sex like you've never had. It's not that it's kinky, the sex is so damn passionate. You two fuck like you're the only two people in the world, cut out from the stars and literally made for each other. This woman is your soulmate, emotionally and physically.

Your infatuation with each other is so strong it feels like a drug. It's the highest you've ever felt emotionally. The infatuation runs so deep that now you now must know what "true love" is. You can't stop thinking about her. This is the stuff they write about in songs and make movies about. Truly, you have found "The One". This is the deepest physical and emotional connection you've ever had for anyone. She is the epitome of femininity and sexuality. She slowly becomes your sense of purpose, the only thing that really matters. Isn't that what love is all about?

The relationship goes from 0 - 90mph instantly. You've only known her for a few weeks, but you're already talking about moving in together or maybe buying a house. She has no qualms about moving into your place, and you're happy just to have more of her.

(05-26-2017 01:23 AM)Khan Wrote:  I just had a weird flake after a successful first date.

[...] She seemed quite into me - when we danced during this week's class she would embrace me real close and rub her thighs against my dick. It couldn't have been a more direct IOI.

(05-26-2017 01:23 AM)Khan Wrote:  Last night I got the following message from her:

"Hey Khan, I've been thinking about this weekend and I feel some pressure...last time we met things went a bit too fast. I'd like to continue hanging out with you at classes and dance parties...if you understand what I mean"

(05-26-2017 01:23 AM)Khan Wrote:  I replied with "OK, no rush", she answered with "Have a good night sleep, see ya".


What the fuck? I've had problems in the past when I escalated too slowly, but not the opposite. She's not a conservative girl, and I didn't behave too cocky to give off a player vibe that would potentially frighten her.

Now I'm wondering if the situation is salvageable. I'll be seeing this girl regularly at classes and dance parties, but I'm thinking of politely ignoring her and moving on.

(05-26-2017 10:33 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Sorry to disappoint you but I get this 'she seemed quite into me' whilst dancing bachata in a class from 1/4 of the chicks in there. Heh, maybe they really are...

(05-26-2017 10:33 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Bullshit. If a girl really fancies a guy it isn't really ever too fast. A woman makes decision whether she wants to fuck (doesn't mean she will, though) you or not minutes into the first interaction.

(05-26-2017 10:33 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Quite likely she fancied another guy whom she went on a date with and he might have fucked her by now. Did you try to push for the bang on your first date?

(05-26-2017 10:33 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Good idea. Ignore her and make sure she sees you having fun with hotter girls. Be (not act) completely non-affected as if nothing have ever happened between you and her, be it you see her at the class and/or socialising after the class.

(05-26-2017 10:05 PM)Ensam Wrote:  I have a pretty strict don't shit where I eat policy but she works in a different division in a different building [...]