Post: #6026

Again guys, you are generalizing how tinder works in the whole world just based on your limited experiences, in very limited locations. The world is a big place.

- For quick travel bangs when you have no time to go out, nothing beats tinder.
- For a guy who finds a niche, tinder is still an easy way to bang a few girls per week with no effort.
- In some locations tinder is still the lazy man way to quickly get hot girls delivered home. Not as good as real approaches, Tinder never was and never will be as good, but way more efficient and less time consuming.

I don't want to sound like an asshole. Tinder may be dead for you, but some guys are still riding the wave, myself included.

But if you can't travel, or you don't find your niche, just stop wasting your time on Tinder, but don't say it's dead for everyone.

Post: #6027

I live in NYC, which one may argue would be the best place to use tinder.

How do I know it's not as good as it used to be?

Fall 2016-Spring 2017 - make new account. Accumulate over 5000 matches.

Delete account. Remake. Same photos. 250 matches in a month.

In nyc, I was able to run Boost and get around 100 matches in a 24-48 hour period.

Now, I only get around 15 matches per boost.

Post: #6028

(05-07-2017 02:13 PM)Stallion Wrote:  Again guys, you are generalizing how tinder works in the whole world just based on your limited experiences, in very limited locations. The world is a big place.

- For quick travel bangs when you have no time to go out, nothing beats tinder.
- For a guy who finds a niche, tinder is still an easy way to bang a few girls per week with no effort.
- In some locations tinder is still the lazy man way to quickly get hot girls delivered home. Not as good as real approaches, Tinder never was and never will be as good, but way more efficient and less time consuming.

I don't want to sound like an asshole. Tinder may be dead for you, but some guys are still riding the wave, myself included.

But if you can't travel, or you don't find your niche, just stop wasting your time on Tinder, but don't say it's dead for everyone.

Tinder is far from dead. The problem is that it is a sellers market, and the sellers have pussies.

First off, the algorithm punishes mass swiping. This change was a huge blow to tinder's effectiveness. I can swipe for 30 minutes and get 2-3 matches. When boost is activated, and my profile is moved to the top of the stack, I get 30 matches in 30 minutes.

Second, you have to be aggressive with matches. I used to think aggressive was meeting up with a few days, but on tinder you need to push for same day meetups. You hit a girl up on Tuesday, your schedules don't work out until Saturday. The momentum and attraction dies in the deadspace. That's not to say you can't schedule weekend dates mid-week, but it is not an effective tactic.

Third, you have to manage you matches. Many girls don't respond quickly. Thus you lose track of conversation A while you engage in conversation B. The girl from A sends a message at the same time the girl from B does, you respond to B but completely forget about A. The A conversation dies due to your lack of response. Or vice versa, the girl sees your message but then her mom/dad/friend/boyfriend gets her attention, then it's hours later and the momentum is lost.

With all three points combined, the days of mass swiping are over. Maybe some mass swiping combing with a boost in a new area, but besides that it's more of a snipers game. You swipe a few girls a day, and focus on 3-5 matches for the prime date nights (Thursday-Saturday).

A lot of people will say: Up your game, be the girl guys chase, etc, etc. This is great advice in general, but in terms of tinder it is useless. Men on tinder are the buyers in the sellers market, we are a dime a dozen and are easy to replace. The fact is that the second I end a conversation with an attractive female there is another guy just as cool/attractive/etc right behind me with the same exact goal. Hell, he's probably reading this thread now. Become a better man, but do it for yourself, not for tinder.

I will agree that the "golden days" are over. But tinder is still an effective tool. In fact there is really no easier way to get laid while traveling than tinder. That is where it excels. However it is on the decline from it's peak and will probably plateau out somewhere around being just useful enough to keep me around.

My best tinder strategy:

3 Pictures.
One sentence bio.
Use super-likes (sure they seem beta, but you get moved to the top of the stack)
Use boost on Sunday night.
Ignore sunday night matches until thursday. (Unless they open you, then game as usual)
On Thursday night: Standard opener (copy and paste but include her name in it so it seems personal. I always have the girls name at the end of the copy and paste. It's easier to paste the message, delete the old girls name, put the new girls name in, and hit send).
Standard response (seriously, they all respond the same)
3-4 messages of banter + some bait
Throw out "When are you normally free, I'm going to hit X tonight" (If shes free tonight and bites, great. Else I try to make to plans for when she is. If it is anything past the current weeking, I know I'm fighting an uphill battle and chances are it isn't going to happen)

So that's my experience with tinder lately. No mass sniping, Sniper game, hit them up on days I am free and go for same-day dates. Treat tinder/online as a supplement to game while you focus on improving yourself and chatting up the cuties you see every day while your out an about.

Post: #6029

(05-07-2017 06:09 PM)Atomic Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 02:13 PM)Stallion Wrote:  Again guys, you are generalizing how tinder works in the whole world just based on your limited experiences, in very limited locations. The world is a big place.

- For quick travel bangs when you have no time to go out, nothing beats tinder.
- For a guy who finds a niche, tinder is still an easy way to bang a few girls per week with no effort.
- In some locations tinder is still the lazy man way to quickly get hot girls delivered home. Not as good as real approaches, Tinder never was and never will be as good, but way more efficient and less time consuming.

I don't want to sound like an asshole. Tinder may be dead for you, but some guys are still riding the wave, myself included.

But if you can't travel, or you don't find your niche, just stop wasting your time on Tinder, but don't say it's dead for everyone.

Tinder is far from dead. The problem is that it is a sellers market, and the sellers have pussies.

First off, the algorithm punishes mass swiping. This change was a huge blow to tinder's effectiveness. I can swipe for 30 minutes and get 2-3 matches. When boost is activated, and my profile is moved to the top of the stack, I get 30 matches in 30 minutes.

Second, you have to be aggressive with matches. I used to think aggressive was meeting up with a few days, but on tinder you need to push for same day meetups. You hit a girl up on Tuesday, your schedules don't work out until Saturday. The momentum and attraction dies in the deadspace. That's not to say you can't schedule weekend dates mid-week, but it is not an effective tactic.

Third, you have to manage you matches. Many girls don't respond quickly. Thus you lose track of conversation A while you engage in conversation B. The girl from A sends a message at the same time the girl from B does, you respond to B but completely forget about A. The A conversation dies due to your lack of response. Or vice versa, the girl sees your message but then her mom/dad/friend/boyfriend gets her attention, then it's hours later and the momentum is lost.

With all three points combined, the days of mass swiping are over. Maybe some mass swiping combing with a boost in a new area, but besides that it's more of a snipers game. You swipe a few girls a day, and focus on 3-5 matches for the prime date nights (Thursday-Saturday).

A lot of people will say: Up your game, be the girl guys chase, etc, etc. This is great advice in general, but in terms of tinder it is useless. Men on tinder are the buyers in the sellers market, we are a dime a dozen and are easy to replace. The fact is that the second I end a conversation with an attractive female there is another guy just as cool/attractive/etc right behind me with the same exact goal. Hell, he's probably reading this thread now. Become a better man, but do it for yourself, not for tinder.

I will agree that the "golden days" are over. But tinder is still an effective tool. In fact there is really no easier way to get laid while traveling than tinder. That is where it excels. However it is on the decline from it's peak and will probably plateau out somewhere around being just useful enough to keep me around.

My best tinder strategy:

3 Pictures.
One sentence bio.
Use super-likes (sure they seem beta, but you get moved to the top of the stack)
Use boost on Sunday night.
Ignore sunday night matches until thursday. (Unless they open you, then game as usual)
On Thursday night: Standard opener (copy and paste but include her name in it so it seems personal. I always have the girls name at the end of the copy and paste. It's easier to paste the message, delete the old girls name, put the new girls name in, and hit send).
Standard response (seriously, they all respond the same)
3-4 messages of banter + some bait
Throw out "When are you normally free, I'm going to hit X tonight" (If shes free tonight and bites, great. Else I try to make to plans for when she is. If it is anything past the current weeking, I know I'm fighting an uphill battle and chances are it isn't going to happen)

So that's my experience with tinder lately. No mass sniping, Sniper game, hit them up on days I am free and go for same-day dates. Treat tinder/online as a supplement to game while you focus on improving yourself and chatting up the cuties you see every day while your out an about.

How many girls have you banged from Tinder? Just curious.

Post: #6030

I would like to add a little more about the fickle nature of younger girls (the strategy I posted backfires plenty) and then will try to answer questions.

Often I have received a "boring" response back to my opening message, so I will, as stated, ignore the girl's message for 2 days to a week. But, quite often, these girls will either un-match me or delete their account in this time. Some girls will un-match if they don't get a reply back that same night.

Often some girls will delete and re-install tinder many times..

I still find I have better results overall, using a delayed response, but some of these girls would have been better to push the interaction quickly. I don't have a good feeling as to how to identify them, but I have been trying different things. If she replies quickly late at night, even a short/boring response might be game on..

*Also, in general/when possible, I try to reply back with less words than she did. It's usually not possible at first, and starting 2-5 texts into a interaction "bating" for her to get invested (takes some foresight) is a big part of my strategy.


about 12-15 bangs this year from tinder, and about as many met who didn't end up banging. Even split from my home location and other cities I go to for work. 1 regular, one occasional, one other regular that dropped off... out of that bunch.

re:changing location with bluestacks instead of tinder plus: I am not sure if this is current, haven't looked into it. But as of a couple of months ago: if you change location with tinder plus, it either shows the girl blank space (if you "hide location") where the distance should be.... or it displays "1 mile away."

Now most girls probably don't notice, and one mile away might be ok/normal in NYC, but some might notice the pattern of seeing profiles "1 mile away" and realize you are a paid user. Especially in smaller cities.

I am in my mid 30's (apologies for the deceptive user name!).. Even in your 50's I have a feeling the under 24 girls (still experimenting) might be easier to target than the 27-35 or so. Many of the young girls will show a little interest, and then drop off. Just don't be afraid to keep trying and keep pushing them to hang out, especially late at night. Act like it is a normal thing and she will drop right into your frame.

substantial to me is anything interesting, or like she actually engaged. EX: a couple short messages back to back, or anything longer than a sentence, even if it's boring. it's, of course subjective

I am not really going to "give away" my favorite adventure type "hang outs" (I shouldn't have said dates, and wouldn't to a girl ahaha), but summer is right around the corner and there are plenty of options. Personally I tend to suggest something over the top, (braking the law, etc) or perhaps something along the lines of "drink 40's in the park" and then tone it back if necessary. The best bets are imho something active, anything that shows off your unique skills or knowledge, something close to your house, or whatever you can come up with that might get her imagining or thinking about the beautiful scene. Going for a "drive" at night is also a classic move, as is the beach under any circumstances.

The hard part of course is transitioning back to your house, but if the activity is ending right around dusk it can feel natural. stop at the grocery store for food or alcohol, and back to my place (logistics aren't great and it works fine for me).

Not all that many of my "hang out's" are like this, bar hopping style drinking is usually a better option. But for girls who are extra reluctant, or don't drink "I'll pick you up at a coffee shop by your house" or something like that.

I don't have enough data to know about re-engaging ~1 month later, due to her cycle, but it makes sence if you can keep track of that sort of thing. I will test and try to report back. For me it's just been a very low investment "ping"/teasing type thing. Some guys are worried that "giving a girl a second/3rd chance" might get them labeled as a creep or something, but unless it's a very small town, I wouldn't worry about that. you will be just one of hundreds and she is unlikely to remember you.

*Spotting fakes or fat girls: Pretty much spot on, only headshots or weird & cropped photos is almost sure to be fat. there may be rare exceptions. I don't mind a little chunkier (10-20lbs extra weight, something to grab a hold of) so I look carefully at even these types of profiles in the younger age ranges. you will find a few shy girls who are worth hitting up because they aren't getting quite as much attention as the girls showing off their bodies.. A lot of these younger girls are still extremely self conscious even if their body is decent.

As for fake profiles, in my areas it used to be the case that they had blank profiles, now most have filled in the profiles and sometimes school/work. 24 is a COMMON age for the fake profiles, or around 20-29. But if you read the profile text you will see that it is a little *off* (possibly copied from real profiles, currently I am seeing a trend that they often mention NYC, or class of whatever at some university). If the job/work field says a university/kind of oddball work/ popular company that is not local or common to your area (or it just says "student").. those are all likely signs. There are also other times obvious scam/fake profiles, or camgirls advertising (hit me up on snap chat for a private show, or something only slightly less obvious).

But the pictures are usually a dead give away. In my area the most common fake profile "type" has 4 pictures, rarely 3 or 1. If the girl has overly sexual/modeling type photos, and is not obviously local (look at school/work) then probably fake.

Some possible (not always) signs of fake: -photoshoot/sequential type photos -all photos are posing in a single city -blurry photos (resized or cropped too many times) -2 of the same picture

The pictures are most likely borrowed from modeling web sites, and maybe occasionally lifted from actual dating sites/or other sources so just keep that in mind and you will be able to spot them easily.

If you do match with one of these fake profiles, you will easily be ale to tell by the 2nd message she sends ("she" won't respond directly to anything you say), or usually the first ("she" will message you right away, most likely) so no big deal anyways.

I don't currently lie about age but would say fudging by 5 years is no big deal, or 10-15 years if you are 40+ also no big deal. I would say the blow-outs you have heard of from this sort of thing are from UN-calibrated guys, perhaps using fake or old photos, and from girls who are the worst kind of serial daters anyways.

I would say changing your age may benefit significantly, as far as exposure, especially if you are targeting a certain niche. It may be worth trying. It may be best if you couple it with something alluding to your real age (ex: mentioning how you started getting grey hair at an early age), or stating actual age directly in your profile ("can't figure out how to change it")

That said I like to keep the profile short. 1-2 sentence

Post: #6031

(05-07-2017 06:25 PM)dirty_old Wrote:  about 12-15 bangs this year from tinder, and about as many met who didn't end up banging. Even split from my home location and other cities I go to for work. 1 regular, one occasional, one other regular that dropped off... out of that bunch.

Impressive. How tall are you? Are you in the US?

Post: #6032

(05-07-2017 06:24 PM)GymBro Wrote:  -snip-
How many girls have you banged from Tinder? Just curious.

Not sure, been using it off and on for about 2-3 years. In the golden days, it probably average out to about one a week. That was with air-tight logistics in a small American city.

Post: #6033

Quote:
I will agree that the "golden days" are over. But tinder is still an effective tool. In fact there is really no easier way to get laid while traveling than tinder. That is where it excels. However it is on the decline from it's peak and will probably plateau out somewhere around being just useful enough to keep me around.

I'm glad you think that. Let's see how optimistic you are by the end of this year.

Post: #6034

I've banged a lot of girls on here-but I've never used super likes, boosts or joined Tinder Plus. Is it worth it?

Post: #6035

(05-07-2017 06:58 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  I've banged a lot of girls on here-but I've never used super likes, boosts or joined Tinder Plus. Is it worth it?

Depends. Super-likes push you to the front of the stack and guarantee you get seen. You get 5 a day and can pay for more if you want (I wouldn't). I match with about a third of the ones I super like. It does give off a bit of beta vibe initially, but some cocky banter gets rid of that.

You get one boost a week. I find it useful because it moves to the top of the stack for 30 minutes. I get a lot of matches from the boost. I don't know if it lets the girls know you activated the boost or if your profile just appears normal to them. I like to plan it for Sunday night because I know a lot girls are home bored then. But Wednesday/Thursday nights work well for getting the momentum stayed strong for the weekend

Tinder plus is cool because it gives the extra features of not showing distance/age in your profiles. I realized most girls don't even check the profile anymore anyways, as I get a bunch that ask how old I am, I'm like "Are you fucking retarded, it says right on my profile". And you can spoof your location, which is sick for traveling.

On my mention of the algorithm above (number of ones you swipes / number of girls that swiped back = your rating for stack placement), it seems to reset when you change your location. It definitely resets when you delete/reactivate your profile.

So if your consistently getting results and don't plan on traveling, there isn't a need for tinder pro. Its best use is pipelining a couple days prior to traveling.

Post: #6036

(05-07-2017 06:25 PM)dirty_old Wrote:  re:changing location with bluestacks instead of tinder plus: I am not sure if this is current, haven't looked into it. But as of a couple of months ago: if you change location with tinder plus, it either shows the girl blank space (if you "hide location") where the distance should be.... or it displays "1 mile away."

This can't be correct, as I still see girls with Tinder Plus swiping in my area 5000+ miles away.

(05-07-2017 08:48 PM)Atomic Wrote:  I don't know if it lets the girls know you activated the boost or if your profile just appears normal to them. I like to plan it for Sunday night because I know a lot girls are home bored then. But Wednesday/Thursday nights work well for getting the momentum stayed strong for the weekend

They have no way of knowing you're using Boost.

(05-07-2017 06:42 PM)ziggystardust Wrote:  

Quote:
I will agree that the "golden days" are over. But tinder is still an effective tool. In fact there is really no easier way to get laid while traveling than tinder. That is where it excels. However it is on the decline from it's peak and will probably plateau out somewhere around being just useful enough to keep me around.

I'm glad you think that. Let's see how optimistic you are by the end of this year.

You just sound mad and jealous that you aren't having success on Tinder. A lot of us are still doing fine. I'm going on about a year and a half nonstop and I don't think the app has gotten appreciably worse.

Post: #6037

(05-07-2017 06:58 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  I've banged a lot of girls on here-but I've never used super likes, boosts or joined Tinder Plus. Is it worth it?

If you are doing good, no need for boost.

In my location I don't actually see a big change when I boost, maybe a 10% increase in matches.

The only benefit of tinder plus is the location changes for traveling. I also find it useful to "trick the algorithm". Once a month I swipe in a place like Manila for 10 minutes, get a few 100 matches, and get myself on top of the "hot guy" pile. You could do the same with bluestacks for free.

Superliking I use a couple time a month for a girl which profile I really like (I have a weakness for metal/goth looking 18-19 girls, for example, or a black girl which is a rarity here in Eastern Europe). I just open with "superliked for xxxx" and mention something they have in their profile, normally the music. Never had a girl reacting like it was beta.




Also in a previous message I said I was still getting 1 or 2 dates per week. I can't edit it now, but it was supposed to be bangs per week. As I said I don't go on tinder dates, I always invite to my place directly.

(05-07-2017 06:04 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  I live in NYC, which one may argue would be the best place to use tinder.

How do I know it's not as good as it used to be?

Fall 2016-Spring 2017 - make new account. Accumulate over 5000 matches.

Delete account. Remake. Same photos. 250 matches in a month.

In nyc, I was able to run Boost and get around 100 matches in a 24-48 hour period.

Now, I only get around 15 matches per boost.

I don't care about number of matches, but number of bangs. If I still fuck enough Tinder girls per week with no effort, less matches actually means that my match to bang ratio improved, therefore making tinder better?

Why do you need 2500 matches per week? Even if you only got 50 matches per week, 20 would respond to your opener, you invite them to fuck at your place, if 2 or 3 say yes... I'm a very happy customer. I was also matching 1000 or 2000 per day in some places in Asia, and I didn't even have time to see every profile, one can only bang so many girls per day even on vacation.

But 50 for NYC? that sounds pretty bad... I've had more matches in small rural EU towns. Did you try to relocate for a couple days/change pictures? That usually works very well for me.

(05-07-2017 06:09 PM)Atomic Wrote:  Tinder is far from dead. The problem is that it is a sellers market, and the sellers have pussies.

First off, the algorithm punishes mass swiping. This change was a huge blow to tinder's effectiveness. I can swipe for 30 minutes and get 2-3 matches. When boost is activated, and my profile is moved to the top of the stack, I get 30 matches in 30 minutes.

Second, you have to be aggressive with matches. I used to think aggressive was meeting up with a few days, but on tinder you need to push for same day meetups. You hit a girl up on Tuesday, your schedules don't work out until Saturday. The momentum and attraction dies in the deadspace. That's not to say you can't schedule weekend dates mid-week, but it is not an effective tactic.

Third, you have to manage you matches. Many girls don't respond quickly. Thus you lose track of conversation A while you engage in conversation B. The girl from A sends a message at the same time the girl from B does, you respond to B but completely forget about A. The A conversation dies due to your lack of response. Or vice versa, the girl sees your message but then her mom/dad/friend/boyfriend gets her attention, then it's hours later and the momentum is lost.

With all three points combined, the days of mass swiping are over. Maybe some mass swiping combing with a boost in a new area, but besides that it's more of a snipers game. You swipe a few girls a day, and focus on 3-5 matches for the prime date nights (Thursday-Saturday).

A lot of people will say: Up your game, be the girl guys chase, etc, etc. This is great advice in general, but in terms of tinder it is useless. Men on tinder are the buyers in the sellers market, we are a dime a dozen and are easy to replace. The fact is that the second I end a conversation with an attractive female there is another guy just as cool/attractive/etc right behind me with the same exact goal. Hell, he's probably reading this thread now. Become a better man, but do it for yourself, not for tinder.

I will agree that the "golden days" are over. But tinder is still an effective tool. In fact there is really no easier way to get laid while traveling than tinder. That is where it excels. However it is on the decline from it's peak and will probably plateau out somewhere around being just useful enough to keep me around.

My best tinder strategy:

3 Pictures.
One sentence bio.
Use super-likes (sure they seem beta, but you get moved to the top of the stack)
Use boost on Sunday night.
Ignore sunday night matches until thursday. (Unless they open you, then game as usual)
On Thursday night: Standard opener (copy and paste but include her name in it so it seems personal. I always have the girls name at the end of the copy and paste. It's easier to paste the message, delete the old girls name, put the new girls name in, and hit send).
Standard response (seriously, they all respond the same)
3-4 messages of banter + some bait
Throw out "When are you normally free, I'm going to hit X tonight" (If shes free tonight and bites, great. Else I try to make to plans for when she is. If it is anything past the current weeking, I know I'm fighting an uphill battle and chances are it isn't going to happen)

So that's my experience with tinder lately. No mass sniping, Sniper game, hit them up on days I am free and go for same-day dates. Treat tinder/online as a supplement to game while you focus on improving yourself and chatting up the cuties you see every day while your out an about.

Yes, I agree with spam liking being over. Did it ever work? I think I swipe right on half the profiles more or less.

I even snipe my matches depending on how responsive/excited to speak with me they are.

70% of matches give boring answers/one liners/have western entitled attitudes = don't even bother, I stop replying. You may warm a few of them up, but it's too time consuming and not worth my effort.

30% of matches respond well (long paragraphs, or in my case as my bio says I'm Spanish, I will get 2 or 3 girls per week who study Spanish at university so they will start talking Spanish to me). Those matches I keep the conversation going and invite directly to my place very early (somewhere between message 2 and 5).


But as you said, women have the power in the Tinder market and we are the merchandise.

My experience may be better than other guys because I stand out (despite being a short average looking guy) as an exotic Spanish guy who works in EE and is learning the language (as opposed to the lame tourists).

But even back home, I play the game of "local that can make the best local drinks" and target tourists... there is always a niche.

If you don't stand out, maybe you should do something more interesting with your life/profile pics?

Trust me, if your profile pic is you scuba diving outside the cage with a white shark, you will stand out.

Actually a thing that I find very useful to do is:
First thing when I arrive to a new location, spend some time swiping for men (obviously you right sweep all of them). Now you know what you are competing against, and you will see a pattern in the kind of profiles guys have. Now make your profile the exact opposite.

(05-07-2017 06:25 PM)dirty_old Wrote:  re:changing location with bluestacks instead of tinder plus: I am not sure if this is current, haven't looked into it. But as of a couple of months ago: if you change location with tinder plus, it either shows the girl blank space (if you "hide location") where the distance should be.... or it displays "1 mile away."

Are you sure? I always hide my distance because I think they see the real distance, which is the most stupid thing about tinder plus. No girl ever said anything about the missing distance.

Post: #6038

(05-08-2017 04:47 AM)Stallion Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 06:58 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  I've banged a lot of girls on here-but I've never used super likes, boosts or joined Tinder Plus. Is it worth it?

If you are doing good, no need for boost.

In my location I don't actually see a big change when I boost, maybe a 10% increase in matches.

The only benefit of tinder plus is the location changes for traveling. I also find it useful to "trick the algorithm". Once a month I swipe in a place like Manila for 10 minutes, get a few 100 matches, and get myself on top of the "hot guy" pile. You could do the same with bluestacks for free.

Superliking I use a couple time a month for a girl which profile I really like (I have a weakness for metal/goth looking 18-19 girls, for example, or a black girl which is a rarity here in Eastern Europe). I just open with "superliked for xxxx" and mention something they have in their profile, normally the music. Never had a girl reacting like it was beta.




Also in a previous message I said I was still getting 1 or 2 dates per week. I can't edit it now, but it was supposed to be bangs per week. As I said I don't go on tinder dates, I always invite to my place directly.

(05-07-2017 06:04 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  I live in NYC, which one may argue would be the best place to use tinder.

How do I know it's not as good as it used to be?

Fall 2016-Spring 2017 - make new account. Accumulate over 5000 matches.

Delete account. Remake. Same photos. 250 matches in a month.

In nyc, I was able to run Boost and get around 100 matches in a 24-48 hour period.

Now, I only get around 15 matches per boost.

I don't care about number of matches, but number of bangs. If I still fuck enough Tinder girls per week with no effort, less matches actually means that my match to bang ratio improved, therefore making tinder better?

Why do you need 2500 matches per week? Even if you only got 50 matches per week, 20 would respond to your opener, you invite them to fuck at your place, if 2 or 3 say yes... I'm a very happy customer. I was also matching 1000 or 2000 per day in some places in Asia, and I didn't even have time to see every profile, one can only bang so many girls per day even on vacation.

But 50 for NYC? that sounds pretty bad... I've had more matches in small rural EU towns. Did you try to relocate for a couple days/change pictures? That usually works very well for me.

(05-07-2017 06:09 PM)Atomic Wrote:  Tinder is far from dead. The problem is that it is a sellers market, and the sellers have pussies.

First off, the algorithm punishes mass swiping. This change was a huge blow to tinder's effectiveness. I can swipe for 30 minutes and get 2-3 matches. When boost is activated, and my profile is moved to the top of the stack, I get 30 matches in 30 minutes.

Second, you have to be aggressive with matches. I used to think aggressive was meeting up with a few days, but on tinder you need to push for same day meetups. You hit a girl up on Tuesday, your schedules don't work out until Saturday. The momentum and attraction dies in the deadspace. That's not to say you can't schedule weekend dates mid-week, but it is not an effective tactic.

Third, you have to manage you matches. Many girls don't respond quickly. Thus you lose track of conversation A while you engage in conversation B. The girl from A sends a message at the same time the girl from B does, you respond to B but completely forget about A. The A conversation dies due to your lack of response. Or vice versa, the girl sees your message but then her mom/dad/friend/boyfriend gets her attention, then it's hours later and the momentum is lost.

With all three points combined, the days of mass swiping are over. Maybe some mass swiping combing with a boost in a new area, but besides that it's more of a snipers game. You swipe a few girls a day, and focus on 3-5 matches for the prime date nights (Thursday-Saturday).

A lot of people will say: Up your game, be the girl guys chase, etc, etc. This is great advice in general, but in terms of tinder it is useless. Men on tinder are the buyers in the sellers market, we are a dime a dozen and are easy to replace. The fact is that the second I end a conversation with an attractive female there is another guy just as cool/attractive/etc right behind me with the same exact goal. Hell, he's probably reading this thread now. Become a better man, but do it for yourself, not for tinder.

I will agree that the "golden days" are over. But tinder is still an effective tool. In fact there is really no easier way to get laid while traveling than tinder. That is where it excels. However it is on the decline from it's peak and will probably plateau out somewhere around being just useful enough to keep me around.

My best tinder strategy:

3 Pictures.
One sentence bio.
Use super-likes (sure they seem beta, but you get moved to the top of the stack)
Use boost on Sunday night.
Ignore sunday night matches until thursday. (Unless they open you, then game as usual)
On Thursday night: Standard opener (copy and paste but include her name in it so it seems personal. I always have the girls name at the end of the copy and paste. It's easier to paste the message, delete the old girls name, put the new girls name in, and hit send).
Standard response (seriously, they all respond the same)
3-4 messages of banter + some bait
Throw out "When are you normally free, I'm going to hit X tonight" (If shes free tonight and bites, great. Else I try to make to plans for when she is. If it is anything past the current weeking, I know I'm fighting an uphill battle and chances are it isn't going to happen)

So that's my experience with tinder lately. No mass sniping, Sniper game, hit them up on days I am free and go for same-day dates. Treat tinder/online as a supplement to game while you focus on improving yourself and chatting up the cuties you see every day while your out an about.

Yes, I agree with spam liking being over. Did it ever work? I think I swipe right on half the profiles more or less.

I even snipe my matches depending on how responsive/excited to speak with me they are.

70% of matches give boring answers/one liners/have western entitled attitudes = don't even bother, I stop replying. You may warm a few of them up, but it's too time consuming and not worth my effort.

30% of matches respond well (long paragraphs, or in my case as my bio says I'm Spanish, I will get 2 or 3 girls per week who study Spanish at university so they will start talking Spanish to me). Those matches I keep the conversation going and invite directly to my place very early (somewhere between message 2 and 5).


But as you said, women have the power in the Tinder market and we are the merchandise.

My experience may be better than other guys because I stand out (despite being a short average looking guy) as an exotic Spanish guy who works in EE and is learning the language (as opposed to the lame tourists).

But even back home, I play the game of "local that can make the best local drinks" and target tourists... there is always a niche.

If you don't stand out, maybe you should do something more interesting with your life/profile pics?

Trust me, if your profile pic is you scuba diving outside the cage with a white shark, you will stand out.

Actually a thing that I find very useful to do is:
First thing when I arrive to a new location, spend some time swiping for men (obviously you right sweep all of them). Now you know what you are competing against, and you will see a pattern in the kind of profiles guys have. Now make your profile the exact opposite.

(05-07-2017 06:25 PM)dirty_old Wrote:  re:changing location with bluestacks instead of tinder plus: I am not sure if this is current, haven't looked into it. But as of a couple of months ago: if you change location with tinder plus, it either shows the girl blank space (if you "hide location") where the distance should be.... or it displays "1 mile away."

Are you sure? I always hide my distance because I think they see the real distance, which is the most stupid thing about tinder plus. No girl ever said anything about the missing distance.

I just changed location to Europe for 24 hours and had around 10-12 instant matches. I didn't run Boost. But once I go back to NYC I'll prob only get 1-2 matches this week without Boost.

Back when I was getting all those matches I was also banging a goood amount too. Fucked two tinder girls in the same night on separate occasions.

The more matches, the more bangs. It's a numbers game.

Post: #6039

Can someone explain this to me?

I got tinder plus about a month ago, and I had it previously as well. Everything was working fine until yesterday, except the only thing I noticed was that in the past I would get 5 super likes for something like every 12 hours. Now I get 5 super likes once every 20 or so hours.

My issue is this: over the past two days it seems like my super likes are malfunctioning. I like down from 5 to 1, and then it allows me to super like several more times and keeps saying 1 left. I haven't counted it, but could it be that somehow my super likes are rolling over like minutes on a cell phone plan and it is giving me 10?

Post: #6040

Anyone got a working link to Tinder++ for mac?

Post: #6041

(05-09-2017 09:06 AM)churros Wrote:  Anyone got a working link to Tinder++ for mac?

That's been dead for a while. Tinder hit it with a lawsuit.

Post: #6042

Huh. It was working for me until I updated my os... So it's just a case of find the file.

Are there any alternatives?

Post: #6043

Last time I went to download it, the home page had an explanation of how Tinder served them a cease and desist order. That was around three months ago.

Post: #6044

The skank thirst is real sometimes..

Post: #6045

Are there any good openers I found out the hard way "hey" doesn't usually have a good response rate

Post: #6046

^ ^ ^

There where some very good openers scattered through this thread. The problem is, this is a public forum, much more popular than we realize. Thousands of guys copy us and use them to spam tens of thousands of girls.

Result: some of the best openers I found on this forum, the girls had already heard them a dozen times before.


It's crazy, the "you look like trouble" (I think I saw it for the first time on this forum?) opener was so good, probably half of my bangs as a beginner came from using it.

But now girls all the way from Prague to Hong Kong to Manila know it. A British girl even used it to open me!

Post: #6047

Does the swipe left count as ass swiping or is it just right?

Post: #6048

What times are bitches usually stalking Tinder? Wanna maximize my boosts.

Post: #6049

(06-01-2017 03:25 AM)jackflag Wrote:  What times are bitches usually stalking Tinder? Wanna maximize my boosts.

Sunday and Wednesday evenings are best I believe

Post: #6050

As a test to prove how little impact the bio makes and how its all about photos, a friend of mine with great photos reset his account but added in the bio "Only here for kinky sex". Of the 20-30 matches over the next couple of days, only two admitted to reading the profile.