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(04-07-2017 05:35 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:19 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  I can't in good conscience use the word 'elites' in the way many here use it. I am from a background whereby I went to school with, and count as friends, many of those you would label as being part of the 'elite'. From a life time of staying at their houses, sharing institutions with them, and being considered a part of that world, I do consider a lot of the wackier stuff about 'elites' and their conspiracies to be fundamentally removed from reality, and divorced from reason.

Like any other group, there are some good ones, some bad ones, and some that probably go either way depending on whether you're in their strata or not.

You will notice, as will any fair minded audience, that I have not been the one to call any names, or cast any aspersions, though one or two have been cast my way in response. I have provided my thoughts, and my reasons for them. They have been substantiated by argument and reference to history, and are there to judge on their own merits.

If there are reasoned objections to the points I have made, then I have yet to hear them. 'Globalist shill' or the implication thereof, is about as close as you, or the others, have come to any kind of meaningful refutation. I'm quite open to debate, quite averse to being silenced by cheap slurs.

You went to school with elites? Well, why didn't you say so before?!

This changes everything! I'll be more than happy to notify respected journalist F. William Engdahl, the deceased Carroll Quigley, or Gary Allen and countless other brave souls who spent decades studying the inner workings and machinations of: ruling classes, Bilderberg conferences, and the Trilateral commission.

Fuck, now it's all null and void due to esteemed RVF member H1N1's groundbreaking revelation that not only did he attend school with elites but that "some of them are good people."

Hold on a minute. Don't piss a golden opportunity down the drain.

If esteemed RVF member H1N1 says he went to school with the elites, then I believe him, and good for him. We should be embracing him, not shooing him away.

He didn't say what his level was at. It might be superfluous or he might be king of the free world. I tend to think that he is just sharing with us a certain sphere of influence that he might have enjoyed. He's not the enemy.

Stuff like this is Gold to us downtrodden Brits. We never get to speak to these people. It's pretty obvious that H1N1 is a cut above, and I mean that in a genuine way. Not snarky, not obsequious.

I know that H1N1 doesn't need idiots like me fighting his corner, but steady on!

He was just giving a glimpse in to life as he saw it. We might not even have to agree with him, but to just have a go at him for sharing his world with us? Not on.

It's really hard to fight the corner of someone like H1N1, because he will never look for outside influence to help him in his cause. So I'm not fighting his corner.

He certainly doesn't need me to help fight his battles. I'm not trying to. But I would like to hear what he has to say about current affairs if he can spare the time.

Don't get all knotted up by words like 'elites' or whatever. Everything is relative. I'm pretty sure his upbringing was 'elite' compared to mine. But he has shown me nothing but true respect in his dealings with me.

If he chooses to share a little bit of his world with us, then I say we should not scare him away. It sounds silly me saying this about a much more high post high rep high iq member. H1N1 is a rare gem on this forum. Maybe you need to be a Brit to understand that. Please don't take his words at such surface value.

I've got a lot of things that I would like to ask him, and he says a lot of things I do not understand. But I already agree with most of you. I want H1N1 to explain his position if he can, because I believe it will enrich me.

We don't need safe spaces here, but I just want to say I'm all ears for H1N1 to just elucidate on some of the points he has made. If he didn't make those points earlier for whatever reason, well I can understand that. But I like to be able to hear what a man has to say. H1N1 does not mince his words and does not shirk his position on things.

And if he is really 'elite' and comes from a good family, then so what? As long as he has the interest of his peers in mind, then that is all good. Nothing he has said or done makes me think this is not the case. We need interfaces with other worlds and strata of society.

We must not turn on each other. Every man here has a 'common purpose' and aim. We must be able to communicate. And then we will be able to judge upon the facts presented, or just the general 'feel' of things presented.

We are all brothers here. Until proven different.

I really take exception to several things he has said, but I will wait for him to answer himself. And I am sure he will, in good time.

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General Mattis's thoughts on Syrian intervention in a 2013 video - interviewed by Fake News Wolf Blitzer at The Aspen Institute.




“We need to be very clear about our military end state, contributing to what political end state."
“Otherwise, you’re liable to invade a country, pull down a statue, and then say, ‘Now what do we do?’”

Well said by one sane voice.

Post: #61805

#FireKushner is trending on Twitter.

(04-07-2017 07:14 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't trust Jared Kushner.
Perhaps I need to put on my tin-foil hat whilst writing this post, but I think it's important to remember (((Kushner))) paid a record price to acquire 666 Fifth Avenue, and according to a Breitbart article (sorry I don't have the link, as I'm on my phone) has been entrusted by Trump to help broker a peace deal in the Middle East...
Move over Obama, seems like we have a new Antichrist contender.
I'm only half-joking.
(Breitbart article was called "Five Delicate Problems Trump Trusts Kushner To Solve")

What...? WTF...

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(04-07-2017 07:35 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  #FireKushner is trending on Twitter.

(04-07-2017 07:14 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't trust Jared Kushner.
Perhaps I need to put on my tin-foil hat whilst writing this post, but I think it's important to remember (((Kushner))) paid a record price to acquire 666 Fifth Avenue, and according to a Breitbart article (sorry I don't have the link, as I'm on my phone) has been entrusted by Trump to help broker a peace deal in the Middle East...
Move over Obama, seems like we have a new Antichrist contender.
I'm only half-joking.
(Breitbart article was called "Five Delicate Problems Trump Trusts Kushner To Solve")

What...? WTF...

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Snippet from The Daily Caller, "Bannon Lost To Kushner In Syria Strike Debate":

Quote:...
Bannon’s failure to stop the strike may reflect his waning influence within the administration at the same time Kushner’s star is rising. White House sources told New York Magazine that Trump’s advisors have arranged themselves into two competing factions: “the nationalists,” led by Bannon and Stephen Miller, and “the Democrats,” represented by Kushner and Ivanka Trump.

The gap between the two camps, once caused by policy differences, has recently widened due to personal acrimony between Bannon and Kushner. Bannon’s allies inside and outside the White House say he is “disappointed” and blames Kushner for leaking unflattering information about him to the media, New York Magazine reported.

Bannon told administration allies that he won’t quit if his ideas fall out of favor within the administration, and that if Trump wants him gone, he’ll have to fire him, according to New York Magazine.

Just what I suspected when I asked "Is Jared Kushner a MAGA or Globalist supporter? And should we trust him?". My questions had just been answered.

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(04-07-2017 06:23 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

So he's in the real estate business in New York City?

Aloha!

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#FireKushner hash tag is trending.

"Soros Banker" with two arrows pointing.

Post: #61813

Graham is praising trump right on T Carlson show.

Holy shit...

He basically said Assad is winning because Obama gave him a pass.


Obama is looking better and better!!

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Listening to Bill Mitchell vs PJW.

I hate Bill Mitchell. He's a useful idiot and I can see Trump had him retweeted because he will follow whatever he needs to.

Bill Mitchell has a lot of slippery slope and bad examples.

He said this is the moment Trump became leader of the free world. Que mierda!

Alex Jones called in to join them, saying Trump's hand was forced or he'd be weakend by Globalists? He argues this is stabilizing the world by sending a message to everyone to settle down or he's gonna go buck wile'. This sounds like policing the world to me. Every time there is a fire it is up to us to run over to it?

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I was dreaming today about an SNL skit where they give Kushner the Bannon treatment. Maybe include a shot of a morose Grim Reaper (their Bannon stand-in) glumly looking into the oval office through an open door that Kushner slams shut, or something. That'd get a laugh.

SNL can drive public opinion among libtards at the moment, and to the broader populace through media repetition; and through that #TheResistance, and the alt-right, would be united in trying to get Kushner out. Not much else they're united in.

Just a friendly reminder that Kushner is a lifelong democrat, no experience in everything, being given responsibility for so goddamn much at the White House, and didn't do a fraction of the work that people like Lewandowski, Bannon, Conway, Stephen Miller, even Roger f'ing Stone did to get Trump elected. Trump is blinded, by nepotism with Kushner, period, and Kusher is an actively-poisonous presence there, diminishing the true MAGA triumverate of Bannon, Miller and Sessions.

As much as we love Ivanka, she's also more part of the problem than the solution; great with women but like Kushner, truly a Democrat and I don't believe she'd buy into the Bannon agenda.

If we just get Kushner expelled from his White House influence, chances are very good Ivanka follows him. Kick her back down to her old Trump Organization role, let the Bannon gang reassert their influence over POTUS.

I don't see myself, at present, ever attacking anyone else in the Trump white house but fuck Kushner. Get him out of there.

And to think I posted this back on February 1:

(02-01-2017 01:54 PM)Last Parade Wrote:  

Quote:Unlike the campaign, Kushner and Trump’s futures are no longer entirely in their own control. Both have hitched themselves to her father’s wagon and, just 10 days in, are starting to see signs that it might not work out well for their own ambitions. Trump, after all, is about Trump. “It’s a very difficult line to straddle here, but the question is whether the Trump strategy might end up strangling her,” the source familiar with the couple told me. “It puts her in a really difficult situation.”

As full of shit as this article and its "source" are, I have been concerned about Jared Kushner since I read that he was actively involved in fundraising for Democratic politicians like Cory Booker, and even before that his supposed influence in expunging Chris Christie from the inner circle (as revenge for Christie prosecuting his father). A little worried he's not fully on the Trump Train but he's protected due to being his son-in-law and Trump having true admiration for him.

And if a power struggle does arise in the White House as the press is endlessly conjecturing, the battle lines would be Priebus and Kushner vs. Bannon and Miller, with Pence on Priebus's side and Kellyanne Conway probably, too. And then everything blows up.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the media is hammering on Bannon and Miller now, and Dems launching a petition or whatever to get Bannon out of the NSC. And we need those two guys to remain in their power positions now, more than ever, so Trump's agenda gets done and his administration doesn't get cucked.

Hmmm.

2 months later and he's asserting more control and influence... goddamn him.

Post: #61816

Cernovich has really come through with these scoops lately. Days after the Susan Rice story, around 4 PM yesterday he announced that airstrikes were potentially imminent, nearly 5 hours before they happened.

Clearly he has a source deep within Trump's circle who had access to this very sensitive information. My guess? Steve Bannon himself.

Why do I think this? Two reasons:

1.) Cernovich is really close with Milo. Milo has been laying low since the pedo-comment controversey. Since Milo was Breitbart's top writer and has since departed, and Bannon was the man in charge of Breitbart, it's likely that Milo introducted Cernovich to Bannon. Bannon recognized that no other Breitbart writer had Milo's reach, so he thought Cernovich would be the go-to source to break news. Plus, Bannon hates the MSM and wants a prominent, alt-media leader to leak info to.
2.) Mike has made a lot of comments about Bannon recently, and in the past few months. He has also criticized Jared Kushner, who appears to be trying to oust Bannon in an inner circle power grab:

See: Fake NY Times News is Creating Fake Drama — Bannon is Fine, and Look at “Hack” Reporters https:[email protected]/fake-ny-ti...de2e3e0de0

Curious to see what others think.

(Note: I had a number of tweets, videos etc. to add, but had issues embedding them).

Post: #61817

When things like this happens I like to wait and see how things developed because there is too much information going around to really give something of value to talk about.

So lets see what we have:

Trump is not known to be impulsive, most posts I see on this thread imply Trump acted just on the "death children" images on the news. So far every decision Trump has made has a long term goal ahead, the idea Trump somehow just decide to launch an attack like an irrational emotional teen girl is ridiculous.

Trump is very open to take advice, this should not be confused with letting himself be manipulate, this is why he took people like Conway in but refuse fallow typical politicians playbook, Trump was able to avoid other to manipulate him during the whole campaign and after being elected, to think now he has the position is going to more easy to control him is no sense.

Notice something interesting about anti-Trump people? while they have called him war mongering and many others names similar, now that he has done something real militaristic the same people say nothing?

Now we have to see the missiles attacks from different point of view, Xi from China was in DC to visit Trump when the attack happened, everybody know how China has real power behind NK, the kind of conversation Trump had with Xi after the missiles were lunched must ad been quite interesting, Xi sees this and realize Trump means business.

Trump met with Jordan, Egypt and other similar countries recently, the best could happens is somehow Trump is able to bring Assad to a negotiation, the best thing that did happens was white helmets and the like propaganda got more exposed, which I assume Trump knew people online will spread the reality of white helmets.

If people online can see how stupid would be for Assad to attack his own people while he gains nothing from it, Trump must see it too, this taking into account Trump now has top secret intel.

The entire Russia hacking is death now.

However, lets see the long term, what does Trump gains from this? destroy the Russia hysteria, impose himself to China, kills 0 civilians, some fireworks tomahawks missiles make Neocons happy that were causing him problems in DC---->he gave them something now he will demand something in return.

While Obama was droning people during 8 years and still was weak because he lacks confidence, Trump kills 0 civilians and people take him as strong.

Is great we never get complacent with Trump, because then it would be like Obama and his supporters that tolerate shit just because is Obama, but if there is anything Trump has done well is planning ahead.

My guess, is Trump being a deal maker, will try some kind of deal with Assad and Putin, it would be historic having Trump, Assad and Putin in the same room, before now if Trump tried anything with Putin it would have fueled the Putin-Trump bromance, but now any deal they make will look more positive even on those against Trump.

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I knew this was coming. Trump has just destroyed his argument for keeping Syrian refugees out. Why is the US allowed to bomb Syria, a sovereign nation, but then won't take any of the refugees? In this case, they are actually correct.

"Dem rep: Trump cares enough about Syrians to launch strike but not allow refugees"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...nch-strike

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Delete.

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(04-07-2017 08:25 PM)Sherman Wrote:  I knew this was coming. Trump has just destroyed his argument for keeping Syrian refugees out. Why is the US allowed to bomb Syria, a sovereign nation, but then won't take any of the refugees? In this case, they are actually correct.

"Dem rep: Trump cares enough about Syrians to launch strike but not allow refugees"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...nch-strike

No, they aren't correct, there's still no way to vet these people which is the main argument that Trump has used throughout his campaign.

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It's working!

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(04-07-2017 08:37 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  It's working!

Too soon to tell. Are they sitting down to "bury the hatchet" or to give Bannon one last chance to tow the new, non-MAGA party line? A neutered, subservient Bannon is no better than no Bannon at all.

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I don't think anyone being critical here is just swallowing and parroting mainstream media narrative unquestioningly. We have real legitimate concerns of actions that have been taken. Not rhetoric or easily rationalized words.

The biggest red flag to me was the McMasters replacement of Flynn. I have yet to see a single person explain why someone the exactly polar opposite of Flynn was chosen to replace him. Or how Trump so easily let such a high quality guy like Flynn go because of fake news hysteria. It was way too easy and suspicious to me even then. McMasters is as disastrous of a pick as any zionist neo-con globalist like Kushner.

We have heard Trump and Pence parroting the typical conservative pledge to Israel that always sounds like that state is of more importance than the US itself. A state that has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo of the middle east and pushing their zionist neo-con agenda.

We see Trump making a careless, impulsive decision with potentially catastrophic ramifications within 24 hours based on emotional propaganda. Something world leaders and generals are supposed to be immune to as to avoid catastrophic decision making. A general can't fret over 20,000 men lost the day before, he has to make a level headed tactical decision based on the current situation and not compromise the entire campaign because of emotional attachment to individual soldiers. A leader can't be suckered into a false flag because of photos of children.

Even if there was a legitimate chemical weapons attack and even if it was done by Assad then there needs to be an investigation and time spent to accurately verify who perpetrated it. As an American citizen I certainly do not accept my President or media simply telling me what happened as evidence of truth, without any proof behind it. Nor do I accept "intelligence agencies believe" as proof either. I want specifics and I want evidence and I want decisions made under sound mind. I want military action passed through the senate. No more presidents doing whatever the fuck they want.

We also notice every neo-con, Jewish zionist globalist, and establishment traitor all roaring out of the woodworks in lockstep unison to praise this as the most appropriate and wonderful decision made yet by the President. After they never, ever, uttered a single word of praise in the entire election campaign or presidency until now. Israel, every single media outlet, Kristol, McCain, Graham, Kushner, everyone.

The wait and see attitude would be fine before Trump did anything. But he did, and now we wait to see if this escalates into something more. Tillerson could be building a coalition for all we know. We've also seen the endless parading of other less reputable people through the white house. Anyone see the princes of Saudi Arabia waltzing around in there smiling ear to ear meeting with military personnel, officials, and Trump? What the fuck was that about. Why are we supporting them in Yemen or at all? Why have so many middle east leaders been to meet with the President within the last week? Why is the CIA director a muslim? Why is Flynn replaced with an Islam apologist and Russophobic warhawk? Why is there, at the very least, ancillary evidence that Kushner and Ivanka are gaining greater influence over Bannon and Miller with Trump? Why are Trump's sons busy running the business and having no counterbalance to their Jewish convert sister? Why isn't Ivanka running the business like was reported before inauguration?

I also don't understand how informing Russia of the attack could possibly indicate Putin was in on it. If Russia was not told and a missle hit, hurt, or killed one or multiple Russian military members we could potentially have an international incident on our hands that could escalate into full blown war. It would be utter madness to start indiscriminately bombing in a state with Russian and Iranian forces in it because of some massive "greatest country on earth" ego. We have no legal basis to be in Syria, running bombing sorties, or getting involved in regime change. There is no such United Nations Security Council resolution authorizing the use of foreign military force on Syrian soil, nor regime consent for non-Russian air strikes on its territory; even non-Russian air strikes conducted against targets of the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

I believe my concerns are extremely warranted and based entirely within reason.

edit: Oh, I forgot one. Why is Kushner being put into so many goddamn roles, particularly middle east policy? Someone wholly unqualified for almost anything, much less foreign policy in the middle east. At the very least his implicit bias based upon his religion and globalist friends should be a enormous red flag of conflict of interest.

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r/The_Donald recently had an AMA with Robert "Buzz" Patterson former aide to Bill Clinton. He was only able to answer 3 questions before heading to another commitment, here they are:

Quote:QUESTION:
Is Bill Clinton a rapist?

Quote:ANSWER:
I never caught him directly in the action, but my job late at night was to get the POTUS off the airplane.

In the east wing my bedroom was in the basement of the East Wing.

The phone rang in my room I got a call from the Chief Pilot of AF1 - A young female pilot had been accosted in a back room of the galley and sexually molested her.

The next morning I told the Commander in Chief he needed to apologize to her as that was all she wanted. He could not have been less concerned about it.

Two weeks later I got them together with another staff. All he offered was he was "Sorry for your feelings."

Quote:QUESTION:
What is your favorite Bill Clinton story?

Quote:ANSWER:
I have several but Ill give you a funny one and troubling one.

The nuclear football was carried by an aide, same as Eisenhower and JFK. We found the need to have the POTUS with the capability to launch to ensure "mutually shared destruction" and a deterrence.

It's a 24/7 job.

I was the first person to visit Bill's office. I walked into the outer office outside the Oval Office proper.

All major newspapers were laid out daily. My role was to discuss the nuclear options and ensure the process was clear to him.

The Washington Post had a headline "Sex Scandal Rocks White House"
Bill was white as a ghost, his head in his hands. He knew he had been busted.

I asked if he had his nuclear codes. He informed me he had misplaced them. For the first time in history the POTUS was misplaced from his nuclear codes.

We had to scour the White House, and eventually get in contact with The Pentagon.

Bill asked me to not speak about him losing the codes, and I kept that promise until I wrote my first book.

He did not seem upset by him losing his codes.

Quote:QUESTION:
Do you have any information about the role of Susan Rice during Benghazi? Or anything else you can tell us about Susan Rice? She seems to be involved in a lot.

Quote:ANSWER:
One of the first things that happened with Susan Rice goes like this.

She was a low-ranking staffer under Bill. We had Osama Bin Laden ready to be taken into custody. We were ready to deliver him on a silver platter.

Susan Rice was very vocal about NOT taking him in.

Later on, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton were getting requests for increased security from Benghazi. She told them no, and to do the best that you can with what you have.

She became the sacrificial lamb on Saturday morning news.

I know Susan Rice. She is a political operative, a political hack and an absolute liar. She blamed the Benghazi attacks on a video knowing full-well that was a lie.

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(04-07-2017 07:35 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  #FireKushner is trending on Twitter.

(04-07-2017 07:14 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't trust Jared Kushner.
Perhaps I need to put on my tin-foil hat whilst writing this post, but I think it's important to remember (((Kushner))) paid a record price to acquire 666 Fifth Avenue, and according to a Breitbart article (sorry I don't have the link, as I'm on my phone) has been entrusted by Trump to help broker a peace deal in the Middle East...
Move over Obama, seems like we have a new Antichrist contender.
I'm only half-joking.
(Breitbart article was called "Five Delicate Problems Trump Trusts Kushner To Solve")

What...? WTF...

It's true. Kushner owns 666 Fifth Avenue.

I didn't think much of it at first. Just figured he must've gotten a great deal on the property, and the address was irrelevant. Then, I did some internet sleuthing and found out he paid a record price for it. As far as New York City property goes, the building isn't particularly remarkable aside from its ominous address. Seems someone wanted it pretty badly for some reason.