Post: #76

If that's true it's pathetic. Dudes shouldn't even be counting their tinder bangs as a +1.

I seriously doubts guys in the west are regularly banging anything more than 4s and 5s on tinder.

Post: #77

(03-22-2017 08:00 AM)churros Wrote:  If that's true it's pathetic. Dudes shouldn't even be counting their tinder bangs as a +1.

I seriously doubts guys in the west are regularly banging anything more than 4s and 5s on tinder.

It's not 95% but it's the majority. It's a rarity to get a post explaining how they got the bang via an in person approach or social circle game. For guys in the US, especially for large cities like LA, I doubt the vast majority are banging anything close to their SMV via online with any consistency. If you're a 7, you're mainly getting 5's and 6's online. The same relative math applies up and down the scale. Of course a boy's got to eat, but I don't see the greater purpose in this.

If you have high standards and actually want to max out your potential (hard to flex all those intangibles through photos), you realize the online dating route will not deliver. I think guys should still use it as a tool, but be wary of it becoming a crutch, and the relative quality just isn't there. I went from overusing online to opening up several new social circles, one of which I run, and although nothing has panned out in the last month, I have some very promising high-caliber leads. I'm much happier, and feel more like a man when I stopped picking low-hanging tinder fruit and started navigating those murkier waters out in the real world.

Post: #78

(03-22-2017 08:00 AM)churros Wrote:  If that's true it's pathetic. Dudes shouldn't even be counting their tinder bangs as a +1.

I seriously doubts guys in the west are regularly banging anything more than 4s and 5s on tinder.

I mentioned something sneaky like this in the "I just had sex thread"

95% of guys there are getting bangs from Tinder and Online and talking shit like they use some magical game to pull off the girl and cum in her ass or whatever the fuck it is that time. Its ridiculous.

I am still out there grinding out the night game and getting home girls from the club all of which requires real game.

Post: #79

(03-22-2017 08:59 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 08:00 AM)churros Wrote:  If that's true it's pathetic. Dudes shouldn't even be counting their tinder bangs as a +1.

I seriously doubts guys in the west are regularly banging anything more than 4s and 5s on tinder.

I mentioned something sneaky like this in the "I just had sex thread"

95% of guys there are getting bangs from Tinder and Online and talking shit like they use some magical game to pull off the girl and cum in her ass or whatever the fuck it is that time. Its ridiculous.

I am still out there grinding out the night game and getting home girls from the club all of which requires real game.

I've only ever gotten lays from day game and online (tinder). I have never really gotten into night game, but that is going to change. Day game is lacking if you want to put up big notch numbers because although I do enjoy it personally, you are fighting against a girl's agenda.

Online for me has been less than ideal. The girls I end up meeting up with are 7's at the very best (most are 5-6), and IMO they tend to have personality flaws compared to regular women. As a woman, don't you get approached enough to be able to find a guy in the real world that you like? If not, I think there is something seriously wrong with the chick.

Don't get me wrong, I think online is good if you are able to just set up SNLs from it. I've done that a couple of times, but that is after a year of using tinder on and off. Yes, my pictures may be lacking, but I think at least where I live there aren't enough girls looking for a ONS compared to thirsty guys. The only good thing about online is that you don't have to invest much time to get a lay.

My solution to all this is that I plan to get into night game, and get as good as I possibly can at it. Hell, even my 61 year old dad has told me if you want to get laid you need to hit the bars and clubs.

Post: #80

(03-25-2017 06:56 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 08:59 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 08:00 AM)churros Wrote:  If that's true it's pathetic. Dudes shouldn't even be counting their tinder bangs as a +1.

I seriously doubts guys in the west are regularly banging anything more than 4s and 5s on tinder.

I mentioned something sneaky like this in the "I just had sex thread"

95% of guys there are getting bangs from Tinder and Online and talking shit like they use some magical game to pull off the girl and cum in her ass or whatever the fuck it is that time. Its ridiculous.

I am still out there grinding out the night game and getting home girls from the club all of which requires real game.

I've only ever gotten lays from day game and online (tinder). I have never really gotten into night game, but that is going to change. Day game is lacking if you want to put up big notch numbers because although I do enjoy it personally, you are fighting against a girl's agenda.

Online for me has been less than ideal. The girls I end up meeting up with are 7's at the very best (most are 5-6), and IMO they tend to have personality flaws compared to regular women. As a woman, don't you get approached enough to be able to find a guy in the real world that you like? If not, I think there is something seriously wrong with the chick.

Don't get me wrong, I think online is good if you are able to just set up SNLs from it. I've done that a couple of times, but that is after a year of using tinder on and off. Yes, my pictures may be lacking, but I think at least where I live there aren't enough girls looking for a ONS compared to thirsty guys. The only good thing about online is that you don't have to invest much time to get a lay.

My solution to all this is that I plan to get into night game, and get as good as I possibly can at it. Hell, even my 61 year old dad has told me if you want to get laid you need to hit the bars and clubs.

I salute you for getting into nightgame... its going to be hard as hell if you are a newbie. It can be really competitive and take a while to get down but once you do you'll start getting pulls from there too. Alot of guys have given up or scaled back hardcore on it since the advent of Tinder.

Post: #81

I assume the "pathetic" calling I was given, since 78% of my lays come from the internet.
However I have put hundreds and hundreds of hours into night game (a few on daygame) and I have never gotten consistent lays from there, because of a multitude of factors (not good-looking, bad dressing style in my young years, no muscle, baby face, horrible voice etc). Like I said some people need the internet because they are already weeded out before they get even to spit their game, just like some guys here have bad to average game but still can swoop because they are 6'3" or have some biceps.

TLDR: I think some of the online players here can spit well, but in a very competitive environment (like night clubs) they are overshadowed and just aren't even given the time to spit because they lack some elements that make people like kirdiesel shine.

Personally I could not pull in a night club to save my life (only times I did, the woman was quite older than me...). However, behind my computer/my smartphone, even though I don't get a single match on Tinder, on Adopteunmec I get allowed to start a conversation like once every four girls I swipe, because of the humor, the wits and sarcasm on my profile (no one reads anything on Tinder, so I don't get nothing there. On Adopte you have to write a bit). Since pretty much girls don't even give me the chance to apply the same conversation skills IRL (because of my face and/or voice), I can bypass those two when I am on the internet.

Usually, what happens is that the girl is a bit let down when we meet, because of those two factors (that's what a couple have told me post bang). However, since most have been done BEFORE we meet, through text, the attraction remains high enough that it stays above the required threshold for her to bang. That's a terrible way to do it, and I wish I could insta drop panties with my body only. Am working towards that. However for the time being (not really now since I am in 2 LTRs-met online, with that method by the way) Internet game (especially AdopteUnMec game, not Tinder game) is a vitality. Without it I definitely can't get laid, because I have close to zero perceived value when I first show my face/use my voice.

Voilà.

Post: #82

(03-27-2017 01:37 AM)mikado Wrote:  I assume the "pathetic" calling I was given, since 78% of my lays come from the internet.

I disagree with the other poster that using online game is "pathetic". It's the dating way du jour with both men and women around the whole world.

The whole point of this thread is to encourage forum members, including myself, to challenge themselves to put down the phone, set aside online game and to approach people in real life -- and report back on their experiences.

This is not the place to put folks down for using online game.

(03-27-2017 01:37 AM)mikado Wrote:  Without it I definitely can't get laid, because I have close to zero perceived value when I first show my face/use my voice.

Are you sure that your baby face and "bad" voice is really impeding your game? Did more than one person tell you specifically that it's hurting you and that's what you need to work on? Or is it all in your head?

You might not be able to fix the baby face, but you could try growing a stubble, updating your wardrobe, etc. You could hire a voice coach or speech therapist (I've worked with one for my first two decades of my life). Specifically what steps have you taken?

Post: #83

What is a tinder?

Post: #84

I'm the opposite. Whenever I get a tinder lay, it's always very left field. I can never say it hasn't been worth it because I've had some awesome experiences on the rare occasion anything comes through, but man were hours wasted on that thing. Real life is 10 times easier for me than tinder. I guess I just don't come across as that impressive on a little photo in a mobile phone's screen.

Post: #85

(03-27-2017 02:27 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  What is a tinder?

A smart phone app that inflates a female ego and feeds her endless validation.

Post: #86

(03-22-2017 08:33 PM)Balkan Wrote:  If you have high standards and actually want to max out your potential (hard to flex all those intangibles through photos), you realize the online dating route will not deliver. I think guys should still use it as a tool, but be wary of it becoming a crutch, and the relative quality just isn't there. I went from overusing online to opening up several new social circles, one of which I run, and although nothing has panned out in the last month, I have some very promising high-caliber leads. I'm much happier, and feel more like a man when I stopped picking low-hanging tinder fruit and started navigating those murkier waters out in the real world.

Read and re-read. This.

Balkan, I'm following in your footsteps. Online basically was a novelty, and out of pure curiosity you could have gotten lucky with a relatively normal or attractive girl --- 3-4 years ago. No longer.

For me, it's social circle, travel and IG from now on, actually travel is the easiest to do of the 3, lol

Post: #87

(03-28-2017 09:52 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 08:33 PM)Balkan Wrote:  If you have high standards and actually want to max out your potential (hard to flex all those intangibles through photos), you realize the online dating route will not deliver. I think guys should still use it as a tool, but be wary of it becoming a crutch, and the relative quality just isn't there. I went from overusing online to opening up several new social circles, one of which I run, and although nothing has panned out in the last month, I have some very promising high-caliber leads. I'm much happier, and feel more like a man when I stopped picking low-hanging tinder fruit and started navigating those murkier waters out in the real world.

Read and re-read. This.

Balkan, I'm following in your footsteps. Online basically was a novelty, and out of pure curiosity you could have gotten lucky with a relatively normal or attractive girl --- 3-4 years ago. No longer.

For me, it's social circle, travel and IG from now on, actually travel is the easiest to do of the 3, lol

Depends on your location. Bangkok is at Peak levels where the west was 3 years ago. Manila seems to have died off slightly, with the 7's becoming scarce. Other countries it still is just a niche app. I am going to try IG game for a small city with a layover, but this is last minute, next day... girls actually read messages from strangers? I ignore my other box quite often.

Post: #88

I used Tinder for about a week. I matched with someone that was very forward, also chubby but she looked cute. I Fucked her in the back seat of her car (my car is too nice for that) she bled everywhere. . .

I drove home deleted the app and haven't looked back.

Post: #89

Just to clarify, I didn't mean using tinder was pathetic. But claiming +1 in the bang thread – c'mon guys.

When I clicked through that thread, and saw the whole page full of tinder bangs, you gotta wonder whether you're dealing with players here.

I seriously doubt many of these are bangs worth reporting. As I said, 4s and 5s tops for the vast majority.

For my part, online isn't worth the time or the effort. Much better results in meatspace.

Post: #90

(04-02-2017 08:20 PM)churros Wrote:  Just to clarify, I didn't mean using tinder was pathetic. But claiming +1 in the bang thread – c'mon guys.

When I clicked through that thread, and saw the whole page full of tinder bangs, you gotta wonder whether you're dealing with players here.

I seriously doubt many of these are bangs worth reporting. As I said, 4s and 5s tops for the vast majority.

For my part, online isn't worth the time or the effort. Much better results in meatspace.

A bang is a bang IMO.

I think of Tinder and these other dating apps as kind of stepping stones or training wheels in a sense. Helps get my confidence up banging average to slightly above average girls and then parlaying that into day/night game. You'll have to use a different tool set altogether of course for day/night game BUT the most important tool you'll need is confidence. Use the capital you gained from fucking the slags on Tinder/OKC on the 7's or 8's you want to get in the sack.

Post: #91

(04-03-2017 08:40 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 08:20 PM)churros Wrote:  Just to clarify, I didn't mean using tinder was pathetic. But claiming +1 in the bang thread – c'mon guys.

When I clicked through that thread, and saw the whole page full of tinder bangs, you gotta wonder whether you're dealing with players here.

I seriously doubt many of these are bangs worth reporting. As I said, 4s and 5s tops for the vast majority.

For my part, online isn't worth the time or the effort. Much better results in meatspace.

A bang is a bang IMO.

I think of Tinder and these other dating apps as kind of stepping stones or training wheels in a sense. Helps get my confidence up banging average to slightly above average girls and then parlaying that into day/night game. You'll have to use a different tool set altogether of course for day/night game BUT the most important tool you'll need is confidence. Use the capital you gained from fucking the slags on Tinder/OKC on the 7's or 8's you want to get in the sack.

Which brings me to a question. Does banging a number of girls off Tinder, alleviates or reduces anxiety to approach girls in real life?

Post: #92

(04-03-2017 08:48 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 08:40 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 08:20 PM)churros Wrote:  Just to clarify, I didn't mean using tinder was pathetic. But claiming +1 in the bang thread – c'mon guys.

When I clicked through that thread, and saw the whole page full of tinder bangs, you gotta wonder whether you're dealing with players here.

I seriously doubt many of these are bangs worth reporting. As I said, 4s and 5s tops for the vast majority.

For my part, online isn't worth the time or the effort. Much better results in meatspace.

A bang is a bang IMO.

I think of Tinder and these other dating apps as kind of stepping stones or training wheels in a sense. Helps get my confidence up banging average to slightly above average girls and then parlaying that into day/night game. You'll have to use a different tool set altogether of course for day/night game BUT the most important tool you'll need is confidence. Use the capital you gained from fucking the slags on Tinder/OKC on the 7's or 8's you want to get in the sack.

Which brings me to a question. Does banging a number of girls off Tinder, alleviates or reduces anxiety to approach girls in real life?

I can't speak for everyone, but it helps me. If I know I made that Tinder 5 squeal like a fucking pig and bark like a dog the night before then I know I can make that 8 standing at the bar do the same. After all, when you get them naked they are all operating with the same parts and pleasure points.

It's all a mindset. If you can pull girls off Tinder with your looks (which is what 95% of all Tinder matches are based on) then you know that you use those same looks on that 8 at the bar. You'll have to bring a bit more to the table once you start gaming that 8, but your foot will be in the door at that's the hardest part.

YMMV of course, but that's how it has helped me.

Post: #93

(04-02-2017 08:20 PM)churros Wrote:  Just to clarify, I didn't mean using tinder was pathetic. But claiming +1 in the bang thread – c'mon guys.

When I clicked through that thread, and saw the whole page full of tinder bangs, you gotta wonder whether you're dealing with players here.

I seriously doubt many of these are bangs worth reporting. As I said, 4s and 5s tops for the vast majority.

You'd be surprised in major cities, its very common to see 7's and above in any major city on Tinder. "Gaming" them, is a unique skill specifically for online dating. Its been written about at length here. You can meet and bang very hot girls in online dating, and its entirely based on geography.

But.. if you want to really connect with a girl, and create a deeper connection that lasts months or years, approach is the only way to go. Women view men that use online dating the same way we view women that use it; hard up, desperate, lazy, weird, etc. Showing the confidence to eat what you kill goes much further than we give it credit for.

Post: #94

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(04-03-2017 08:48 AM)ksbms Wrote:  A bang is a bang IMO.

I think of Tinder and these other dating apps as kind of stepping stones or training wheels in a sense. Helps get my confidence up banging average to slightly above average girls and then parlaying that into day/night game. You'll have to use a different tool set altogether of course for day/night game BUT the most important tool you'll need is confidence. Use the capital you gained from fucking the slags on Tinder/OKC on the 7's or 8's you want to get in the sack.

Which brings me to a question. Does banging a number of girls off Tinder, alleviates or reduces anxiety to approach girls in real life?

Maybe if your confidence was unusually low. But for many guys I'd argue that Tinder is a crutch/excuse for not putting themselves out there.

Tinder is a convenient buffer against the sting of real life rejection.

https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/26/buffers/

Post: #95

(04-03-2017 08:48 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Which brings me to a question. Does banging a number of girls off Tinder, alleviates or reduces anxiety to approach girls in real life?

Not for me, it doesn't.

Personally, the only thing that alleviates approach anxiety is more approaches.

Post: #96

(04-04-2017 09:32 AM)Bushido Wrote:  Maybe if your confidence was unusually low. But for many guys I'd argue that Tinder is a crutch/excuse for not putting themselves out there.

Tinder is a convenient buffer against the sting of real life rejection.

https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/26/buffers/

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. If Tinder is your only means of meeting girls, you're going to have a hard time in the wild.

But if you use Tinder/dating apps as just one of your many tools I think it can help. It helps me at least.