Post: #51

(12-04-2016 07:17 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  It sounds to me like it's more about you questioning yourself how much of your time should you chase poosey with, VS doing other things with your life.

It's too easy to slip into 4 hours a day poosey chasing, when that should more likely be your weekly tally.

Yeah I totally agree. When I'm chasing women through cold approach, that would be the only thing I am doing g in life I.e. no learning g of other skills etc. If I spend the next the 5 years say living like a pick up artist always approaching and doing nothing else, what will I have to show for it? Nothing at all, whereas spend learning skills I will be much better off. That is how I see it, if someone wants to chase women 24/7 that is fine.

Post: #52

(12-23-2016 01:43 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  Would you make another thread? Or PM?

I'd like to hear more of these thoughts.

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I could make another thread, but I don't even know where to begin. It's a roller coaster ride out here, with stories that would make your head spin, and I haven't even had a chance to organize my thoughts on this stuff.

What, specifically, would you like to hear more about?

Post: #53

Refuse all you want, the exact same girls you meet on the street day gaming probably have a tinder account on the side. Nightlife especially. Keep in mind the app only works well for those in the top 20% of profile attractiveness.

Post: #54

While one shouldn't make Gaming girls a 24/7/365 venture, to the exclusion of anything else, it does provide benefits beyond poosy, such as improved social skills.

For example, I remember going to the last interview I've ever done and basically involuntarily having the same confident body language I'd have on a date - sitting back most of the time, taking up space in my chair, speaking slowly and deeply, etc.

Job was in the bag, and I could tell by reading the body language of my soon-to-be-boss.

Post: #55

(12-24-2016 06:26 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  Refuse all you want, the exact same girls you meet on the street day gaming probably have a tinder account on the side. Nightlife especially. Keep in mind the app only works well for those in the top 20% of profile attractiveness.

I suppose the argument is that by picking up in real life you expose yourself to girls that do not currently have an active Tinder account, as well as making yourself more attractive ("He was confident enough to approach me on the street!") to girls that would not consider you on Tinder, if you're outside the top 20%.

Just another note on the "active Tinder account angle": you would not believe how often these girls delete and remake their accounts. I know because I reset my profile every week so I see how many girls are in my city and the seasonality of their profiles. Average American Girl: bored one night, fires up Tinder, fucks some guy, then gets disgusted at all the Billy Betas chatting her up and deletes it. Waits two months. Repeats. You have to catch them during the moment. But the thing about real life is that you can't shut it off. She may be able to delete Tinder, but she still goes out on the street.

Disclaimer: I use Tinder and it's the source of most of my lays this year. But I'm still of the opinion that you can get higher quality out on the streets, and you set yourself apart because of less competition.

Post: #56

^ Yup

Post: #57

It is funny how game works, I am at a level now where approaching on the street is easy, whether there are people around or not. Before this though, I could only approach a women if there was no one else around, now though the next level for me to reach is to approach a women when she is with a guy. However none of this is in my home country, I wonder how I would feel approaching women in my home Country.

Post: #58

(12-24-2016 05:02 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(12-24-2016 06:26 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  Refuse all you want, the exact same girls you meet on the street day gaming probably have a tinder account on the side. Nightlife especially. Keep in mind the app only works well for those in the top 20% of profile attractiveness.

I suppose the argument is that by picking up in real life you expose yourself to girls that do not currently have an active Tinder account, as well as making yourself more attractive ("He was confident enough to approach me on the street!") to girls that would not consider you on Tinder, if you're outside the top 20%.

Just another note on the "active Tinder account angle": you would not believe how often these girls delete and remake their accounts. I know because I reset my profile every week so I see how many girls are in my city and the seasonality of their profiles. Average American Girl: bored one night, fires up Tinder, fucks some guy, then gets disgusted at all the Billy Betas chatting her up and deletes it. Waits two months. Repeats. You have to catch them during the moment. But the thing about real life is that you can't shut it off. She may be able to delete Tinder, but she still goes out on the street.

Disclaimer: I use Tinder and it's the source of most of my lays this year. But I'm still of the opinion that you can get higher quality out on the streets, and you set yourself apart because of less competition.

Forget tinder mate. After a while of no women, your desperation/willpower will mean you will go and approach a women, believe me on this. I don't have access to any women apart from what I see on the street and it forces me to approach as a result.

Post: #59

Late to this thread but props to Cleanslate for starting it. Especially knowing his situation as a deaf guy. Respect.

Online dating (please lets not call it "online game") should be used, at most, as a supplement to meeting girls in real life. It's a lead generation tool and nothing more.

If you are using Tinder as your main way to meet girls then it's a crutch.
If you are using Tinder as your ONLY source of pussy then you have no game.

I think we have all been there. We have all overused online dating from time to time.

However, there are now a large number of guys who now rely 100% on online dating (whether Tinder or otherwise). This seems especially prevalent with guys travelling abroad for whatever reason. I suspect that these Tinder warriors are the same guys bitching about various locations becoming "played out". Nowhere is truly played out if you have real game.

Even on a forum such as this one I see Tinder warriors over the place. I'm not going to call anyone out. You know who you are. Thing is, you guys are missing out on so many subtle aspects of life by overusing Tinder...and I'm not even talking about girls per se (although dating apps produce inferior results in that department too).

To name but a few benefits you can't get out of online dating...genuine self-development, social circles, lasting male friendships from gaming together, masculine pride from achieving something difficult and the improved social intelligence that results from putting yourself out there to learn game. AND OF COURSE HUGE BALLS! The list goes on and on...

Game is a process (and an art), not just a means to an end. Game changes a man. Game's benefits are deep and long-lasting.

Loosely speaking, I've been running game for 12 years now. It started with me as a confused but horny teenager trying things out to see what would work. More than a decade later, I'm still getting better. I'm still learning new things about women, myself and the world around me. Using Tinder to bang some slutty 6s offers none of this.

In my humble opinion, taking on a "No Tinder Challenge" for 3-6 months would do a lot of younger guys good. Delete all the dating apps, put your phone away for 10 minutes and use that natural, horny energy as your fuel for meeting new girls in real life situations. You can thank me later.

Post: #60

I had never done online dating until about 2 years ago. I used Tinder heavily for about a year and stopped using it almost a year ago. I probably used Tinder too much but I didn't let it take over my life like some guys seem to do. I might do more online dating soon but I won't rely on it as much and I might use something other than Tinder since Tinder is the only thing I've ever used.

Tinder is tricky because in theory it shouldn't be that bad. However, in reality guys get too focused on Tinder and chasing after flaky girls which leads them to getting gamed by the game.

There are many forum members who are as non-committal and flaky as an 18 year old Colombian girl because their schedule revolves around whether or not one of the dozen girls they are chasing might be available tonight. They can never agree to make plans (they always respond with 'maybe') or they frequently flake at the last minute. I'm not as opposed to online game as some guys are and I don't like to judge other guys for their game but this is the one situation where I'm strongly opposed to Tinder. If Tinder and flaky girls dictate your schedule then you are getting gamed, not running game, and you need take some time off from online dating.

Post: #61

I uninstalled Tinder this morning, as I haven't been using it recently anyway. I deleted OKC a few weeks ago as well.

A few reasons:

• I have been a hot streak since December, and I currently have two steady girls in my rotation that I enjoy fucking
• I hit my goal of 40 notches before the age of 40 so I don't feel the push to get notches to meet a quota (ha, this sounds so shallow)
• I REALLY want to work on my Day/Night game. Not having these apps will force me to be a bit more aggressive in this
  

Am I done with these apps forever? No, of course not. And I know these plates will eventually fall and break over time and that's ok. It's been really easy for me to get laid since late last year and it's almost like I want a cold streak subconsciously. It makes you appreciate the whole process even more, and doing it without the help of these apps is a way to challenge myself.

Post: #62

(12-04-2016 12:27 PM)churros Wrote:  If tinder is your only resource, and you've got no game, then you're beta.

If you've got game, then tinder is just a bonus. But too many players get reliant on it, hampering their game.

For me, the ROI on tinder is lower than real life. And there's nothing better than banging some some random chick off the street. That is a legitimate source of pride.

With online, you're being cucked by the Zuck of your pride as a player.

100% accurate.

I have no issue with dudes using Tinder but dudes who use it exclusively and don't approach IRL are, quite frankly, pathetic.

Our society is becoming more cuck-ish, beta, and passive by the day.

There's also the fact that the majority of "women" on Tinder are bots, prostitution whores, and catfish.

Post: #63

(12-04-2016 12:21 PM)DRE Wrote:  I agree with most of the sentiments above. I use tinder, but would honestly prefer a world without it. If tinder did not exist (and social media for that matter), women would be reliant upon day and night time game to get validation. Since these apps do exist, it changes the entire landscape of game.

The problem I have with tinder is that though it leads to lays, it does not teach you anything about yourself and does not lead to self improvement. I used to think that getting lays just for the sake of getting lays was the goal for men (myself included). After getting a certain number of lays, I realized that the best part of game is the self improvement it leads to in other aspects of life. Tinder does not provide the same results, as it does not require the same social skill and bravery that real life pulls requires. So although tinder surely does lead to easy sex, it does not build a man like real world experience does. It also does not lead to the same level of funny stories of successes and failures as going out with 1 or 2 buddies and hitting the pavement does. Just my opinion.

Brilliantly stated, bro.

Reminds me of this beautiful article on the subject:

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comme...riend_and/

Post: #64

Currently: 1489 matches on Tinder.

All the girls I've been with for almost 6 months, except for one or two, have come from Tinder.

When I was really depressed from my breakup a few months ago, I was swiping like a madman. So much so, I was constantly swiping around friends. They would notice and call me out.. Then I was swiping at work, etc. I mainly use Happn and Tinder. I am trying Pure, but that largely seems like BS.

Lately I have met many higher quality girls from Tinder. Strong 7's and maybe an 8. 10-15-20 years younger. With a few exceptional mid-late 30's with fine bodies and decent appeal. All within a few miles of me. Dating lately has been inexpensive and easy, and fun. I've been getting smashed with a few girls and staying up all night, on weeknights. A lot of girls are taller, a tall Ukrainian with a wicked body who is super hot and nice. Roosh's Poland/Ukrainian Girls podcast really helped for that. Other FB's come and go but its good.

The thing is, Tinder is probably the best its ever been for me. But I am bored. Its too easy. There is no challenge. A few dates over drinks and its on, or less. But the grind of approaching is gone.

The problem with online is twofold; I waste a lot of time at work and at home when I should be working or relaxing, and, I have the tendency to pedestalize. I will see a perfect girl, tits, face, ass, I will imagine she becomes the most perfect GF I will ever have, then she drops off of texting cold. Its happened a few times. The last girl I messaged 4 times, over several weeks, to try to get her to reply again. Its maddening, and ridiculous. This is the problem with online; the time wasting, and propensity to pedestalize.

Even though I am texting with 21 yo German students, and 24 yo Russian finance workers with 2000 IG followers, I pledge to give up online today. Lets see how long I last... Going back to good old fashioned approaching, day and night.

Post: #65

(03-21-2017 08:48 PM)Vaun Wrote:  When I was really depressed from my breakup a few months ago, I was swiping like a madman. So much so, I was constantly swiping around friends. They would notice and call me out.. Then I was swiping at work, etc. I mainly use Happn and Tinder. I am trying Pure, but that largely seems like BS.

Are you currently experiencing the 7 day trial of the Pure app? I'm looking into giving it a shot and canceling after a few days.

Post: #66

(03-21-2017 09:12 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:48 PM)Vaun Wrote:  When I was really depressed from my breakup a few months ago, I was swiping like a madman. So much so, I was constantly swiping around friends. They would notice and call me out.. Then I was swiping at work, etc. I mainly use Happn and Tinder. I am trying Pure, but that largely seems like BS.

Are you currently experiencing the 7 day trial of the Pure app? I'm looking into giving it a shot and canceling after a few days.

Yes I am 4 days in, and they charged me $21 today. I disputed it with Apple, and wrote them a complaint letter. I went into iTunes and cancelled the subscription. Total BS. This app sucks. Several one star ratings in the App Store say the same thing. I have tried different pics, no luck. Its marketed towards women, and I have had some late 20's/early 30's voyeurs, who once I get into a convo, disappear. I think its too good to be true. Also, there is practically no one on the app, so I am guessing its bunk.

As always, better off approaching in real life.

Post: #67

(03-21-2017 08:48 PM)Vaun Wrote:  Currently: 1489 matches on Tinder.

Oh wow. How good looking are you?

Post: #68

(03-21-2017 09:57 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:48 PM)Vaun Wrote:  Currently: 1489 matches on Tinder.

Oh wow. How good looking are you?

Im not, I just live in a heavily populated area, and I swipe a lot when I travel too in major cities. This is my second Tinder account, my first one I started in 2013 had over 2500 matches.

Post: #69

(03-21-2017 10:03 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 09:57 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:48 PM)Vaun Wrote:  Currently: 1489 matches on Tinder.

Oh wow. How good looking are you?

Im not, I just live in a heavily populated area, and I swipe a lot when I travel too in major cities. This is my second Tinder account, my first one I started in 2013 had over 2500 matches.

I guess I should get some professional shots.

Post: #70

(03-21-2017 10:04 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:03 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 09:57 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:48 PM)Vaun Wrote:  Currently: 1489 matches on Tinder.

Oh wow. How good looking are you?

Im not, I just live in a heavily populated area, and I swipe a lot when I travel too in major cities. This is my second Tinder account, my first one I started in 2013 had over 2500 matches.

I guess I should get some professional shots.

better yet, go outside and approach in person. I would trade you all of those matches for 10 quality numbers.

Post: #71

(03-21-2017 10:05 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:04 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:03 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 09:57 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:48 PM)Vaun Wrote:  Currently: 1489 matches on Tinder.

Oh wow. How good looking are you?

Im not, I just live in a heavily populated area, and I swipe a lot when I travel too in major cities. This is my second Tinder account, my first one I started in 2013 had over 2500 matches.

I guess I should get some professional shots.

better yet, go outside and approach in person. I would trade you all of those matches for 10 quality numbers.

That flaky or low quality? I've been approaching pretty consistently. Documented 80 or so in the approach thread since Jan. Will do more once my work stuff clears up a bit.

Post: #72

(03-21-2017 10:07 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:05 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:04 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:03 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 09:57 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  Oh wow. How good looking are you?

Im not, I just live in a heavily populated area, and I swipe a lot when I travel too in major cities. This is my second Tinder account, my first one I started in 2013 had over 2500 matches.

I guess I should get some professional shots.

better yet, go outside and approach in person. I would trade you all of those matches for 10 quality numbers.

That flaky or low quality? I've been approaching pretty consistently. Documented 80 or so in the approach thread since Jan. Will do more once my work stuff clears up a bit.

Damn dude, 80 since January is very solid, it sounds like you are doing great.

With all those matches it looks like they are low quality. I actually get happy when a girl flakes now, unless its at the absolute last minute. But of course its impossible to tell from pictures. I will see an ex on Tinder, or a girl I know is hot in person, and they look like average girls that I wouldn't be as sexually attracted to, after knowing them in person. I would never be driven as hard to go after her online, because you can not tell how hot a girl really is until you meet her in person. So I have all of these matches I could burn a lot of time, expense and energy texting and going on dates with....

Post: #73

(03-21-2017 10:12 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:07 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:05 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:04 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:03 PM)Vaun Wrote:  Im not, I just live in a heavily populated area, and I swipe a lot when I travel too in major cities. This is my second Tinder account, my first one I started in 2013 had over 2500 matches.

I guess I should get some professional shots.

better yet, go outside and approach in person. I would trade you all of those matches for 10 quality numbers.

That flaky or low quality? I've been approaching pretty consistently. Documented 80 or so in the approach thread since Jan. Will do more once my work stuff clears up a bit.

Damn dude, 80 since January is very solid, it sounds like you are doing great.

With all those matches it looks like they are low quality. I actually get happy when a girl flakes now, unless its at the absolute last minute. But of course its impossible to tell from pictures. I will see an ex on Tinder, or a girl I know is hot in person, and they look like average girls that I wouldn't be as sexually attracted to, after knowing them in person. I would never be driven as hard to go after her online, because you can not tell how hot a girl really is until you meet her in person. So I have all of these matches I could burn a lot of time, expense and energy texting and going on dates with....

Well I wouldn't say I'm doing "great." Not a lot of results other than 2 instadates and a few numbers that didn't go anywhere.

Grass is greener I guess. I feel like I'm burning a ton of time and energy with all the approaching and nearly no results.

Post: #74

(03-21-2017 10:16 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:12 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:07 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:05 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:04 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  I guess I should get some professional shots.

better yet, go outside and approach in person. I would trade you all of those matches for 10 quality numbers.

That flaky or low quality? I've been approaching pretty consistently. Documented 80 or so in the approach thread since Jan. Will do more once my work stuff clears up a bit.

Damn dude, 80 since January is very solid, it sounds like you are doing great.

With all those matches it looks like they are low quality. I actually get happy when a girl flakes now, unless its at the absolute last minute. But of course its impossible to tell from pictures. I will see an ex on Tinder, or a girl I know is hot in person, and they look like average girls that I wouldn't be as sexually attracted to, after knowing them in person. I would never be driven as hard to go after her online, because you can not tell how hot a girl really is until you meet her in person. So I have all of these matches I could burn a lot of time, expense and energy texting and going on dates with....

Well I wouldn't say I'm doing "great." Not a lot of results other than 2 instadates and a few numbers that didn't go anywhere.

Grass is greener I guess. I feel like I'm burning a ton of time and energy with all the approaching and nearly no results.

Well, what you are doing is highly respectable. Its what men have done for eons and what has largely propelled the human race forward. Unlike today when douchebags like myself swipe all day and night looking to hit it, like scratch off lottery tickets. I used to approach every day and approached about 1000x on the streets of my city. That ended in 2015 when I met my ex from approach. I will approach now here and there, met a model last week who went away. But I had a ball doing it. Instadates, same day lays, girls I am still friends with to this very day. Girls I see getting married and moving on with their lives. Those were the best relationships. And I miss that. Summer time is good for that. But you always have to be doing it. There is a depth of intimacy gained from approaching, that online will never capture. I believe its chemical, as in fate or even nature. You are drawn to a beautiful woman, who is receptive to you and gives you herself freely. Its how love was designed to happen. But you are on the right track. Self improvement is an inalienable right you possess. Tweak your style, your text game, your speech, your social skills. This adds to your entire life. And then.. when you do meet the one, you are a better man. All around, 360. For everyone in your life, not just that lucky girl.

Post: #75

(03-21-2017 10:16 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  I feel like I'm burning a ton of time and energy with all the approaching and nearly no results.

It seems as though tinder is the way forward. Even on this site, tinder bangs seem to make up about 95% of the bangs in the 'i just got laid thread'