Post: #301

(03-21-2017 09:44 AM)amity Wrote:  I saw part of the debate and agree with what 911 says above.
I should say though, while Le Pen is my favoured candidate, she's far from ideal, as Brandon Martinez points out in this article:
http://nonalignedmedia.com/2017/03/marin...bank-loan/
Perhaps though, financial incentives aside, this is what she needs to do to give herself the best chance, by appealing to the pro-Israel and pro-Russia set.
I'd still have her as France's best (perhaps only) chance of pushing back against the Globalists intent on destroying the French nation.

I agree with Martinez on her pro-Israel cucking, but her position on Russia is actually more Gaullist (French nationalist), and it's not all that different from that of Fillon or even Melenchon. Le Pen gets reproached with being financed by Russia when in fact no French or European banks would work with the FN.

Post: #302

(03-21-2017 12:42 PM)911 Wrote:  Chirac and Giscard were pretty tall, 1.89 both. De Gaulle of course was in a category of his own, 1.96m. Hollande is not only short, he's very flabby too, hence his nickname of Flamby (little flan). He's listed at 1.74 (5'7") but is more like 1.70. Sarko was the shortest at 1.65 (5'5").

The height thing seems uniquely American.

Post: #303

Lots of papers are claiming rumours say Fillon now being investigated for fraud for falsifying evidence of work.

It seems like gameover, but I'm holding on to my bet for four reasons.

1. The Republicans already had their internal investigation, and chose to stick with him instead of a scandalfree candidate.
2. The timing of the 'rumours', He had an excellent debate last night, so the release might be in response to internal polls showing he's closing the gap
3. Macron's support is fragile and hasn't been tested by scandal
4. I'll take a huge loss if I sell now
   

I hope I'm not hamstering a bad decision.

Post: #304

Without credible polling it's hard to say what's really happening. In the American general election I could at least look at the President's crowd size and get a feel or dissect polling methodology of pollsters. With the French election i feel like I'm in the dark.

Post: #305

(03-20-2017 08:34 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  I don't trust the polls, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Quote:Outgoing president, François Hollande, who describes it as his ‘final duty’ to keep LePen from winning, and who is actively campaigning with government ministers in Front National strongholds to keep LePen from power, has recently admitted that she may win. Privately, Hollande is said to fear that LePen’s support is under-estimated in the opinion polls and that the momentum of a high score in the first round could make it difficult for any rival candidate to beat her in the second.

That is the only hope for France. In a few years with 2 mio. more rapefugees in the country it will be even tougher to win.

She probably polls at 38-40% in reality, but the MSM-sheisters are lying through their teeth. Currently we cannot trust the polls at all, since she may be at 50% at the second round and they MSM claiming that she has 27% support.

We will see. I sure hope it for the French, because otherwise France will fall with Sweden and Germany at the same time in some 20 years.

Post: #306

(03-20-2017 06:11 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  Fillon: Islamism is a worldwide totalitarian movement

Calls out Saudi Arabia for sheltering them.

Anyone who joins an overseas terrorist group should be stripped of their French citizenship.

Corrected for you: Anyone who joins a terrorist group should be shot dead or blown to pieces by means of a drone. No need for fucking finesse here.

By the way, from a legal point of view, it's really a joke this "stripping of citizenship" thing . For it is legally impossible to strip of his citizenship someone who does not have a second citizenship available to him, because no State can create citizenship-less people. So, only people with dual citizenship could be stripped of one, and only one, of these citizenships.

Post: #307

(03-21-2017 04:51 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Without credible polling it's hard to say what's really happening. In the American general election I could at least look at the President's crowd size and get a feel or dissect polling methodology of pollsters. With the French election i feel like I'm in the dark.

This has got me worried too.

Quote:She probably polls at 38-40% in reality, but the MSM-sheisters are lying through their teeth. Currently we cannot trust the polls at all, since she may be at 50% at the second round and they MSM claiming that she has 27% support.

I think 34% is more likely than 40%, remember this is only the first round and it's a big field.

Macron is almost certainly being overestimated among people who will actually go to the polls. The young and muslims aren't a solid base, especially for a yet-to-be-outed homosexual.

Post: #308

(03-21-2017 05:25 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 06:11 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  Fillon: Islamism is a worldwide totalitarian movement

Calls out Saudi Arabia for sheltering them.

Anyone who joins an overseas terrorist group should be stripped of their French citizenship.

Corrected for you: Anyone who joins a terrorist group should be shot dead or blown to pieces by means of a drone. No need for fucking finesse here.

By the way, from a legal point of view, it's really a joke this "stripping of citizenship" thing . For it is legally impossible to strip of his citizenship someone who does not have a second citizenship available to him, because no State can create citizenship-less people. So, only people with dual citizenship could be stripped of one, and only one, of these citizenships.

Morroco, Tunisia and Algeria give automatic and difficult to revoke citizenship to the children of their citizens. And most French Muslims come from those three countries.

Post: #309

Looking at the situations across France, I believe that anyone who is French and loves what France was and votes for Macron should be kept in France and made to see its fall into ruins.

A man who is essentially part of the globalist cartel is a man who should lead a nation against globalist interests? I don't think so.

British people have a vested interest in this election and the future of France bcause if they go down, we're going with them or going to suffer a hell of a lot.

Post: #310

(03-21-2017 05:31 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 04:51 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Without credible polling it's hard to say what's really happening. In the American general election I could at least look at the President's crowd size and get a feel or dissect polling methodology of pollsters. With the French election i feel like I'm in the dark.

This has got me worried too.

Quote:She probably polls at 38-40% in reality, but the MSM-sheisters are lying through their teeth. Currently we cannot trust the polls at all, since she may be at 50% at the second round and they MSM claiming that she has 27% support.

I think 34% is more likely than 40%, remember this is only the first round and it's a big field.

Macron is almost certainly being overestimated among people who will actually go to the polls. The young and muslims aren't a solid base, especially for a yet-to-be-outed homosexual.

Right. And at 34%, le Pen is within striking distance. She would get at least half of Fillon's voters and a few points off the Melenchon crowd.

Post: #311

(03-21-2017 05:47 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  British people have a vested interest in this election and the future of France bcause if they go down, we're going with them or going to suffer a hell of a lot.

As an Englishman I agree, France is our neighbour, and a bad president could do a lot to fuck up Europe's demographics.

(03-21-2017 05:51 PM)911 Wrote:  Right. And at 34%, le Pen is within striking distance. She would get at least half of Fillon's voters and a few points off the Melenchon crowd.

That, and her voters are far more motivated to vote.


I would only rule her out if Fillon cucks out and endorses Macron, or if there is voting fraud.

Both scenarios are unlikely. Fillon has been treated too badly, and France requires voter ID, paper ballots, and their are strict restrictions on absentee ballots. http://harvardlpr.com/wp-content/uploads...haffer.pdf

Does anyone know when the police will make a verdict in their investigation into Fillon? If it is after the election then it is nothing but a political assassination attempt .

Post: #312

https://www.ft.com/content/5119f9ac-08cb...720a26771b
Paywall, but I was able to read it via this Tweet

40% of French 18-24 year olds are FN supporters, nearly doubling Macron

Post: #313

(03-21-2017 05:47 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  British people have a vested interest in this election and the future of France bcause if they go down, we're going with them or going to suffer a hell of a lot.

Why? Because the middle classes can't go on their 2 week holidays to the south of France anymore?

We contribute more to France than they do to us, I'm sure of it. Mainly via wine, food and car imports and then tourism.

Post: #314

(03-21-2017 10:55 PM)komatiite Wrote:  https://www.ft.com/content/5119f9ac-08cb...720a26771b
Paywall, but I was able to read it via this Tweet

40% of French 18-24 year olds are FN supporters, nearly doubling Macron

That is frankly the best sign of France - the young who mistrust the mainstream media and who experienced enrichment - they are far more opposed to the madness going on.

Those young did not grow up in a peaceful France and uniform country. This is the single most positive sign I see - when the young generation is less brainwashed than the old, then the elite is in trouble.

Post: #315

(03-22-2017 02:27 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Those young did not grow up in a peaceful France and uniform country. This is the single most positive sign I see - when the young generation is less brainwashed than the old, then the elite is in trouble.

This is great news, especially as a large minority of youths are are Muslim and thus unlikely FN voters.

Now here are a couple of FT articles on the big debate.
http://www.ft.com/content/579e7148-0e31-...8954394623

Quote:Emmanuel Macron survives presidential debate mauling

Emmanuel Macron’s first presidential debate showed him what it means to hold the French political centre ground: being surrounded by enemies.

For more than three hours on Monday the 39-year-old political novice, who polls indicate is likely to be the next president of France, fought off personal attacks from political veterans taking turns to pick a fight.

Marine Le Pen, the far-right leader, criticised his stint as a banker and his liberal views on the burkini — the Islamic beachwear banned in a dozen French towns last summer. Benoît Hamon, the socialist nominee, demanded that Mr Macron disclose the names of his biggest campaign donors to erase suspicion of conflicts of interest. And centre-right Republican candidate François Fillon — oddly spared from having to defend himself on a pending embezzlement probe — lashed out at the former economy minister on his failure to deregulate the 35-hour workweek.

“You would get bored without me,” Mr Macron said halfway through the televised debate, addressing all four candidates. “I am very happy, really, for all of you tonight.”

The jibes underlined Mr Macron’s position as a disruptive force in French politics and favourite to win the presidential contest despite setting up a party less than a year ago. Surveys show him neck and neck with Ms Le Pen, the National Front leader, in the first round on April 23, and likely to defeat Ms Le Pen in the run-off two weeks later

The attacks also underline the challenge that Mr Macron would face if he reaches the Elysée Palace and then fails to get a clear majority in parliament after legislative elections in June, when his fledgling En Marche! movement would be fighting its first campaign.

“He’s taking votes from the centre-right and from the centre-left. That makes him the central enemy in this campaign,” said Luc Rouban, a professor at Sciences Po Cevipof.

Three snap polls suggested that the debate had given the centrist candidate an edge, with an estimated 25 to 30 per cent of the debate’s almost 10m viewers saying they found Mr Macron “the most convincing”. Ms Le Pen, who outlined her radical measures to exit the EU and stop immigration, ranked second or third.

However four in 10 voters say they are still undecided, while about half of Macron supporters say that they could change their minds before the first round.

This means that the three other main candidates all retain hope of qualifying for the second round alongside Ms Le Pen, whose levels of support have stayed solid and who is considered almost certain to make the run-off.

“The one who had the most to lose and the most to gain from the debate was Macron,” said Laurent Bouvet, a professor at Versailles University. “People have questions about him, there’s a lot of expectations, he has a volatile electorate.”

Ms Le Pen initiated the most fieriest exchanges of the evening, sneering when Mr Macron spoke and making fun of his attempt to reconcile views from the left and the right.

“You talk for seven minutes and I am incapable of summarising your thought . . . Every time you speak, you say a little bit of this, a little bit of that, you never choose,” she said of her rival.

Political analysts warned that the debate had exposed Mr Macron’s inexperience and lack of gravitas, just as French voters express a growing need for authority and clear rules.

“He seeks too hard to be in agreement with everyone, he even managed to be in agreement with Jean-Luc Mélenchon [the hard-left candidate],” Prof Rouban said. “In their own way, Fillon and Le Pen showed leadership and experience last night. Mr Macron says his solutions are case by case, he offers pragmatism. Research shows that’s not what the French want.”

http://www.ft.com/content/26b17a0c-0dc9-...8954394623

Quote:Macron misses his moment in French debate
Independent candidate could not match Le Pen’s outsider appeal or Fillon’s gravitas
Watching Monday’s French presidential debate from outside France, one could but be struck by the thought that this is an election that may matter even more for the outside world than for the French.
It is unusually consequential for the French as well, of course. In terms of policy choices, France confronts challenges as big as any other leading European country but, in terms of its political system, the stakes are higher than almost anywhere on the continent.

The two leading candidates in the polls, Marine Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron, stand outside the traditional party system. If François Fillon, the centre-right candidate, and the Socialist party’s Benoît Hamon do not make it to the runoff, it spells a fundamental shake-up of the party system. (Jean-Luc Mélenchon, a hard-left candidate and, like Mr Hamon, a rebel against the established Socialist party, completed the five-person panel.)

But, from the outside, the greatest interest is in whether France will mark a third victory in the rebellion against the global order after the Brexit referendum and the Trump election. A Macron-Le Pen run-off would mean a high noon confrontation between globalism and populism.

As it was, it was not Mr Macron’s day. His two main ways to distinguish himself — his embrace of Europe and his non-party candidacy — both fell flat. TF1, the channel that moderated the debate, unfortunately relegated the Europe question to the hurried end of a three-hour session. And, unlike Ms Le Pen, who presents the image of the anti-elitist outsider to perfection, Mr Macron could not make his independence work for him. This was, in part, because he is fully of the establishment, even if his political career has been short, but mostly it was because his inexperience showed. Testy and defensive, he too easily let himself be goaded and provoked. And he let others steal his thunder: Ms Le Pen put herself across as the defender of entrepreneurs, and Mr Fillon took the mantle of the responsible adult by lashing out at the Front National leader’s proposal to leave the euro.

While Ms Le Pen solidified her position, and clearly enjoyed the event, the established party candidates did reasonably well. Mr Fillon’s steady performance hit the right combination of competence and a Gaullist vein of parochialism to maximise appeal to both conventional centre-right voters and those attracted to Ms Le Pen’s nationalism. He may well have staunched the bleeding his campaign has suffered from allegations of financial irregularities.

Mr Hamon, too, managed to come across as the responsible voice of the left by picking a fight with Mr Mélenchon over foreign policy, all the while offering radical policy proposals of his own (universal basic income and a right to assisted suicide).

Nothing happened to determine the race, however. The remaining debates, featuring 11 qualified candidates and so offering each one less exposure, are even less likely to do so.

Post: #316

It's absolutely ludicrous that Macron is referred to as a "centrist". He's a hard-left extremist from top to bottom (no pun intended).

Post: #317

Macron is everything I despise about globalists, liberals and politicians conveniently condensed into one person.

Post: #318

(03-22-2017 04:13 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  It's absolutely ludicrous that Macron is referred to as a "centrist". He's a hard-left extremist from top to bottom (no pun intended).

Macron is a corporate whore pretending to be a socialist.

He would be a disaster for almost all working French

He is only hard-left if you consider patriots to be far right, as he is 100% globalist.

Also, sorry for repeating the question, but does anyone know when the Fillons' will get their verdict? Right now he has yet to be found guilty of a single thing.

Post: #319

Quote:11% of respondents overall were classed as being religious ‘absolutions’ defined by their beliefs in religion over science. 6% of Christian students believed in religious absolutism, whereas that number rises to 32% of Muslim students.

Regardless of their performance at school and their parents’ profession, a young Muslim is four times more likely than a young Christian to adhere to radical ideas.

24% of those surveyed refused to completely condemn the Charlie Hebdo killings. 21% refused to condemn the Bataclan massacre, which saw 130 people murdered and a further 368 injured.

The rejection of secularism or homosexuality is much more pronounced among Muslims than in other religions.

Quote: 33% of Muslim students consider it “acceptable” to “participate in violent actions for his ideas.”

20% of Muslim students agreed with the statement that ‘in today’s society, it is acceptable to stand up for your religion with weapons’.

Also note how the report conflates Christian "extrimism" with Islamic extremism. Christian extremists in Europe will pester you about Jesus, Islamic ones will rape your sister, call you a Kuffar and then kill you in a night-club.

Either way - they will publish it after the elections.

Post: #320

I am sure it has been said before but the left/right dichotomy is increasingly irrelevant. The divide now is between globalism and the resistance to globalism.

Post: #321

Quote:does anyone know when the Fillons' will get their verdict?

Right now Fillon and his familly are under investigation.

The first round of the election is in one month, it's unlikely that Fillon will get a verdict before the first round.

If Fillon is elected as president, he can't be judged for a small corruption problem, the presidential status would protect him for 5 years.

The polls are probably rigged in favor of Macron against Fillon.

If the media investigate about Macron (as they do with Fillon), they can find some dirt about Macron too.

There is a struggle between the power of the politicians, the power of the judges, the power of the financial elite and the power of the media.

In this struggle, the politicians should have the last word, because they are choosen by the people (in theory).

Post: #322

Fuck Macron and Hamon

Post: #323

(03-22-2017 05:29 AM)rockoman Wrote:  I am sure it has been said before but the left/right dichotomy is increasingly irrelevant. The divide now is between globalism and the resistance to globalism.

A simplification.

To be left is to be against right. That's all it is for 99% of leftists.

Post: #324

Terror attack in London now, but who knows whether that will help Le Pen. They seemingly can murder unlimited numbers and it still has nothing to do with Islam.

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Post: #325

(03-22-2017 07:43 AM)balybary Wrote:  Fuck Macron and Hamon

Hamon is a typical left wing politician, he's more of an idiot than a total whore like Macron, so I respect him slightly more than Macron.


On the iconic Delacroix painting above: this painting represents the first instance of women's liberation and revolutionary feminism as a tool for subversion and social control. It all started there...

Sexual liberation was closely tied with feminism, that's what you see in the painting, women were encouraged to bare themselves, and the French Revolution was conflated with sexual revolution, with authors like the marquis de Sade and the concept of libertinage emerging as social forces to overturn the traditional French Catholic order. Notice how the word "libertinage" itself conflates liberty with sexual perversion.

Women in the French Revolution desecrated churches by prancing naked, very much in the same manner Femen whores have done recently (not a coincidence, there is a deliberate choreography there). There is also an echo to this in the DC Women's March, with women putting forward to their "nastyness". Their pussy hats are inspired by the French Revolution red bonnets, which themselves were taken from middle eastern pagan deities (mithra) that the French freemasons worshiped.


Dr. E. Michael Jones covers very well the historic and social aspects of sexual liberation, revolution as forms of social control in this video (which I've already posted in the thread about GQ sexual degeneracy):





This is not irrelevant to this thread, because the French deep state is a continuation of the powers that conspired to overthrow the Bourbon dynasty, neo-liberalism and social degeneracy started there and are being upheld by their appointed puppets (Sarko-Hollande-Macron).