Why is does the English interpreter for Le Pen sound like an inbred retard while the guy for Macron enunciates concisely?

(05-03-2017 09:11 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:44 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I am FOR Europe, and for that I have to be against the EU.

I will steal that quote to shove it up where the sun don't shine on my "political friends".

Is Marine reading RVF? (maybe 911 , for instance, is Alliot, or Philippot?)

Because, Marine just said (during the debate), that she "loves Europe, that is why (she) wants to save it (rescue it) from the EU"

Macron:

"I will propose Mr Trump to keep working together", "About Mr Poutine in no way I'm going to be subjected to his diktats"
"I am the candidate of a strong France in a Europe that protects"

The "celebs" tell you to vote for Macron and his mummy.

(05-03-2017 04:07 PM)mikado Wrote:  I prefer Macron because I did not see yet in Marine Le Pen program's something special outside of talking about immigration.

I was hoping for Fillon too. Marine's 'economic nationalism' smells a lot like Socialism.

I appreciate the effort you are making to stop this thread being an echochamber.

(05-03-2017 04:07 PM)mikado Wrote:  Yeah I am moderate because I am anti-violence and actually adhere to several practices of atheists, christians etc that the religion condemns.

This combination of beliefs is wrecking sovereign nations.

The Christian "anti-violence," love they neighbor, refugees welcome-type mentality is suicidal when you realize that--whether it's Muslims in Europe, or Mexicans or Central Americans in US--they view this as weakness... an open invitation to to enter a sovereign nation, drain resources, and eventually wage guerilla warfare against the host nation's society (as we see in France and, so far, to a lesser extent in the US).

Atheism, too, is a cousin of this perverted form of Christianity that adds moral relativism to new-age Christianity's peace-loving mindset.

Radical Islam's will to power trumps any and all "nuanced" and/or "moderate" strains. It's the lethal equivalent of the National Review "conservatives" criticizing Trump. All the protestations that, "This is not true Islam!" don't mean shit when you're (generally speaking) not doing a thing to combat Muslims driving trucks into pedestrians, shooting cops, and massacring concert-goers. At minimum, this type of guerilla warfare isn't even shamed. If it's not shamed, it's tacitly encouraged. In reality, this shit is encouraged.

(05-03-2017 04:07 PM)mikado Wrote:  Like drinking and having sex out of marriage. And I am all in favor of not doing anything against people who do the same. I don't like homosexuality but I would not lay a finger or insult homosexual people even if I lived in Saudi Arabia (big bunch of racists there by the way) and people told me it was OK to do it.

^ Here you're three-fold ideology manifests itself. You don't like homosexuality, but aren't going to "insult" them despite homosexuals being disproportionately represented among child rapists. What other group is disproportionately represented? I'll give you a clue... Rotherham.

(05-03-2017 04:07 PM)mikado Wrote:  But maybe Baldwin81, you'll say that's not moderate enough?

Moderates believe in nothing.

(05-03-2017 04:07 PM)mikado Wrote:  I prefer Macron because I did not see yet in Marine Le Pen program's something special outside of talking about immigration.

Nothing special? She's trying to get France out of the collapsing European Union. Her program is essentially to reclaim France for France and not for globalist interests. The first Continental country out of the EU will experience short-term pain for long-term gain. The smart money is still on Macron, but to say that she's not proposing anything special outside of immigration is disingenuous at best.

If this "economic nationalism" is socialism then at least it will be France's socialism and not imposed by Brussels.

(05-03-2017 04:07 PM)mikado Wrote:  And of course I would go to war with France against terrorism if it was required.

This election may determine whether it's "required" or not.

I have no idea if it's true or not, but some websites claim that
Macron has an hidden offshore account

https://investmentwatchblog.com/document...x-evasion/

Quote:Documents leaked online today appear to show that French Presidential Candidate Emmanuel Macron entered into an operating agreement for a Limited Liability Company (LLC) in the Caribbean island of Nevis, and that the company may have had a business relationship with a bank which has been previously involved in tax evasion cases in the Cayman Islands. Macron claimed he was not concealing assets or holding secret offshore accounts less than a month ago.

The first document is an operating agreement drawn up on May 4th, 2012 to form “La Providence LLC” under the 1995 Nevis Limited Liability Company Ordinance bearing Mr. Macron’s name and signature. La Providence is the name of Macron’s former high school in Amiens, where he first met his wife. The decision to form a company in Nevis is suspect, as the Nevis Confidential Relationship Act prohibits the disclosure of information and guarantees the secrecy and privacy of offshore LLCs in Nevis. Information about company owners is not published nor is it available to the public. Nevis has been described by Bloomberg as one of a number of popular tax havens in the Caribbean

A second document is a letter sent to La Providence Ltd. from the First Caribbean International Bank, indicating a business relationship with Macron’s LLC. Forbes reported that First Caribbean International Bank was implicated as a facilitator of tax evasion in 2013. It has also been named by Reuters as a player in fraud relating to the 2015 Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) scandals, after it emerged that a representative for First Caribbean had personally collected a check from a FIFA official and then returned to deposit it in an account in the Bahamas.

In April, Macron denied that he was hiding offshore accounts or inheritances from French authorities, even as his opponent Francois Fillion became mired in similar allegations. If confirmed as authentic, the documents would prove these claims to be untrue and provide important clues as to where the hidden funds might be located.

@ Baldwin81


I understand your concern about the majority of Muslims that just condemn the violences but don't do anything about it concretly. Personally I do. I have had several debates with people, went to protests, even did an interview post Charlie Hebdo with a leftist girl for a school project, where I was pointing out the personal responsibility that all muslim people have, to take the matter in our hands to stop terrorism. By the way she was trying to draw out of me typical leftist speech, you know, everything that's expected from Muslims.

Guess what? My interview was not taken into account (she did not even contact like she said she would) and ignored. Many of you on the forum view me maybe as a snake, waiting patiently to strike on France and Christianity with my Muslim fellows, and God knows what. On the other hand, I am viewed in my family and at work (especially after I said I was pro Trump, and anti Hillary) as a sexist chauvinistic pig, and almost a far righter! People be saying stuff like "How come you are African and Muslim and you act like this? " and not so subtly telling me to know my place.

I am all for kicking illegals out. However I think people who immigrate legally (like me) should be given a chance to carve their own destiny, and if they are skilled enough, be allowed to work and/or stay in France. I pay my taxes like any other worker here, am respectful of everybody and I like to think I contribute equally to this country.

I hate paedophiles, but whether they are homosexual or not is only a second concern after that. Both paedos of either group should be put in jail. And people of the Roterham type, I hate them too. I don't see how it is a three-fold ideology. You also don't like feminists, does not mean you will go out of your way to kick them or any stuff like that. Everybody has a type of person they don't like, that's just human nature.

About Marine: I have read her program (actually a couple years ago I translated it on this very forum in english) and basically she is campaigning by putting all her stuff on immigration, and I think that's too 1-dimensional. Whenever she is economically confronted to a debate she just skips it, and returns back to immigration, and borders. Even tonight, she kept saying "Macron, Macron..." Give me some pragmatism Marine.


@Transimian

I am used to being among the sole voice against the general current since I registered (particularly in Islam, and a bit less for black issues), so only respect (especially for people like Samseau or Zelcorpion or Handsome Creepy Eel, who disagree often with me but stay respectful) and no hard feelings for anyone, even when I get some lowly and passive agressive ad-hominem answers.

After all, this political talk is way too passionate to not interject myself in, lol.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-03...ax-evasion

Quote:Documents Indicate That Emmanuel Macron May Be Engaging In Tax Evasion

If it's true, it doesn't seem possible to prove it before election day.

(05-03-2017 05:18 PM)balybary Wrote:  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-03...ax-evasion

Quote:Documents Indicate That Emmanuel Macron May Be Engaging In Tax Evasion

If it's true, it doesn't seem possible to prove it before election day.

That is why Marine jokingly (but somewhat menacingly) said during the debate, to Macron: "let's hope for you that nothing will be revealed about some off-shore bank account that you, who knows, may have, in some fiscal tax evasion heaven"

BFMTV poll: Who was the most convincing during the debate?

Macron: 63%
Le Pen: 34%
No answer: 3%

Mikado you could be the Dalai Lama of Muslims, nobody gives a fuck about those who mind their own business.

You could be anybody with that mentality of any religion. Minding your own business and not getting into other peoples lives is normal but the ideology of Islam is completely opposite of your identity and there are large numbers who follow it to the letter.

Muslim dominant countries and those with significant numbers of them share the same social, economic and cultural issues. Those who are active and use violence always win the day, never the silent 'mind your business types'.

(05-03-2017 05:28 PM)mikado Wrote:  BFMTV poll: Who was the most convincing during the debate?

Macron: 63%
Le Pen: 34%
No answer: 3%

Stop your not-so-subtle trolling, prophet-glorification and disinformation on this thread, Mikado.

You know, or should know, that BFMTV has ZERO credibility regarding its articles or (doctored) polls, being owned as it is by an ultra-leftist media mogul who is denounced, daily and by name, by Marine Le Pen. Posting analysis from BFMTV about Marine is disingenuous at best. BFMTV does not even pretend anymore to be fair with Marine, they are at open war.

Quote: "La candidate du Front national a accusé le groupe de Patrick Drahi de soutenir Emmanuel Macron"
http://www.lopinion.fr/video/clash/presi...ron-122727


^Patrick Drahi, owner of nationalist, right-wing i24 (Israel channel 24), and anti-nationalist, left-wing BFMTV (French news channel)...

Quote from the debate:

Quote:Emmanuel Macron: The difference between you and me is that you are under judicial proceedings. That the High Authority looked at my file and saw that there was no problem. When the judges do not arrange you, you say that they are not honest. Do not joke about it.

- Marine Le Pen: Okay, okay, okay ... I hope we will not learn that you had an offshore account in the Bahamas ....

Quote:Emmanuel Macron : La différence qu’il y a entre vous et moi, c’est que vous êtes, vous, sous le coup d’une procédure judiciaire. Que la Haute autorité a regardé mon dossier et a vu qu’il n’y avait pas de problème. Quand les juges ne vous arrangent pas, vous dites qu’ils ne sont pas honnêtes. Ne plaisantez pas avec cela.

- Marine Le Pen : D’accord, d’accord, d’accord… J’espère que l’on apprendra pas que vous avez eu un compte offshore aux Bahamas....

http://lelab.europe1.fr/video-la-tres-vi...es-3319067

(05-03-2017 05:18 PM)mikado Wrote:  I hate paedophiles, but whether they are homosexual or not is only a second concern after that.

Don't act as if you didn't understand Baldwin's reasoning and point. Baldin's saying the truth: that gays (passionate about sodomy, and disrespecting society's rules) are more likely to engage in pedophile acts, and therefore should be under special watch (when approaching children, especially boys), and prohibited from adopting. Therefore their sexual orientation is of principal concern.

(05-03-2017 05:32 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Mikado you could be the Dalai Lama of Muslims, nobody gives a fuck about those who mind their own business.

You could be anybody with that mentality of any religion. Minding your own business and not getting into other peoples lives is normal but the ideology of Islam is completely opposite of your identity and there are large numbers who follow it to the letter.

Muslim dominant countries and those with significant numbers of them share the same social, economic and cultural issues. Those who are active and use violence always win the day, never the silent 'mind your business types'.

Well that's true for the majority of those countries, those with a dominant "Arab population" , like Middle East, Maghreb, etc.

I know I sound like a naive guy, but that's because in my home country (Senegal), we are 95% muslim, 4% christian, 1% "other", yet we have no issue with christians or anyone else. Why? Because it is a mostly Sufi country, and several religious currents that put the Sufi and African principles above pretty much everything. There is no religious violence, no economic repression based on religion or anything like that. How is it possible with 95% Muslims, you might ask?


Well, it is because of our africanity, our "teranga" (hospitality) that we reach this. And the reason it does not work for Maghrebi and Middle East countries for example, is that they have some superiority complex that make them long for their glorious days in the 6th century, and have them see everybody else as under human beings. However we Senegalese do not have that complex, and we see ourselves as african as equally as muslim. Maghrebi people see us as dogs, and slaves. And they don't even view themselves as Africans. They call black people "Africans". And second-hand Muslims.


This is why I can perfectly be the "dalai lama Muslim type" while being red-pill too. And like I always said, you have to distinguish the different Islams that are out there. I would join French army in a heartbeat if there was (unrealistic, but just for the sake of the argument) a coalition of Maghreb, or even West African countries to topple France based on Islamic quarrels.

(05-03-2017 05:35 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:28 PM)mikado Wrote:  BFMTV poll: Who was the most convincing during the debate?

Macron: 63%
Le Pen: 34%
No answer: 3%

Stop your not-so-subtle trolling, prophet-glorification and disinformation on this thread, Mikado.

You know, or should know, that BFMTV has ZERO credibility regarding its articles or (doctored) polls, being owned as it is by an ultra-leftist media mogul who is denounced, daily and by name, by Marine Le Pen. Posting analysis from BFMTV about Marine is disingenuous at best. BFMTV does not even pretend anymore to be fair with Marine, they are at open war.

(05-03-2017 05:42 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:18 PM)mikado Wrote:  I hate paedophiles, but whether they are homosexual or not is only a second concern after that.

Don't act as if you didn't understand Baldwin's reasoning and point. Baldin's saying the truth: that gays (passionate about sodomy, and disrespecting society's rules) are more likely to engage in pedophile acts, and therefore should be under special watch (when approaching children, especially boys), and prohibited from adopting. Therefore their sexual orientation is of principal concern.

If you mad about the poll then what. People keep posting memes in favour of Le Pen, and it's fine, but now I have no right to post a poll? That logic. Because I go against the grain it means I am a troll? Are you going to call "troll" everyone who disagrees with the general opinion of the forum?


Just because as Transimian said this thread is an echo chamber does not mean some people aren't open to hear a different perspective. If you don't like it then ignore my posts and move on.

I won't support a special watch for homosexuals, because I think that's unwarranted. Special watch for pedos however, definitely.

Mikado is the Dalai-Lama of Muslims, never mind that he has the sentence of a pedophile genocidal warlord as his signature.

The Religion of Peace indeed

I'm sure you are actually sort of a chill guy but some ironies do not escape me.

Since you are Portuguese (I think) I will make an analogy:

It's like knowing that Eder sucks mostly, but you will still take him to World Cup/Euro because you like his combativity, his giving-it-all to the team, and the fact that he had something that made you reach the Paradise (winning Euro)

(05-03-2017 05:50 PM)mikado Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:35 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:28 PM)mikado Wrote:  BFMTV poll: Who was the most convincing during the debate?

Macron: 63%
Le Pen: 34%
No answer: 3%

Stop your not-so-subtle trolling, prophet-glorification and disinformation on this thread, Mikado.

You know, or should know, that BFMTV has ZERO credibility regarding its articles or (doctored) polls, being owned as it is by an ultra-leftist media mogul who is denounced, daily and by name, by Marine Le Pen. Posting analysis from BFMTV about Marine is disingenuous at best. BFMTV does not even pretend anymore to be fair with Marine, they are at open war.

(05-03-2017 05:42 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:18 PM)mikado Wrote:  I hate paedophiles, but whether they are homosexual or not is only a second concern after that.

Don't act as if you didn't understand Baldwin's reasoning and point. Baldin's saying the truth: that gays (passionate about sodomy, and disrespecting society's rules) are more likely to engage in pedophile acts, and therefore should be under special watch (when approaching children, especially boys), and prohibited from adopting. Therefore their sexual orientation is of principal concern.

If you mad about the poll then what. People keep posting memes in favour of Le Pen, and it's fine, but now I have no right to post a poll? That logic.

Just because as Transimian said this thread is an echo chamber does not mean some people aren't open to hear a different perspective. If you don't like it then ignore my posts and move on.

You're a typical muslim-convert: filling your mouth with the religious (or religion-inspired) words of the (regarded by some as a) Prophet, Mahomet, but at the same time, you are missing the religious meaning of these same words.

I mean, here you are with a religious quote on your signature, about "not taunting", and in the very same post, you do taunt me! So, not only are you hypocritical, but also, you've just disregarded the words and orders of your beloved prophet... for such a sacrilege, you perfectly know the punishment (involving a sword) recommended in your religion (of peace and love, yeah).

An old interview where Macron claims that he doesn't have a secret offshore account:

I guess if a French journalist tries to investigate on Macron, the journalist will soon commit suicide with a bullet in the nape.

(05-03-2017 06:06 PM)Going strong Wrote:  You're a typical muslim-convert: filling your mouth with the religious (or religion-inspired) words of the (regarded by some as a) Prophet, Mahomet, but at the same time, you are missing the religious meaning of these same words.

I mean, here you are with a religious quote on your signature, about "not taunting", and in the very same post, you do taunt me! So, not only are you hypocritical, but also, you've just disregarded the words and orders of your beloved prophet... for such a sacrilege, you perfectly know the punishment (involving a sword) recommended in your religion (of peace and love, yeah).

First I am not a convert, my parents are Muslims, but it's not the important point.

You were the first to go all out against me, being condescending and all that shit. I am not going to step down and go on the defensive when I am attacked ad hominem. You went all ad hominem while I never did it to you. Of course I am goind to defend myself.

Pretty much every single rep point I have gotten specifies it was because I am not afraid to speak out and call out people especially when they hate me or use ad hominem. I am not going to change that.

You on the other hand you go as far as claiming I should be punished by a sword according to my religion, taunting me too, and complaining, and using names.

People say Muslims are violent and verbal abusers but who has the most violent language here between you and me?

(05-03-2017 05:18 PM)mikado Wrote:  I hate paedophiles, but whether they are homosexual or not is only a second concern after that. Both paedos of either group should be put in jail. And people of the Roterham type, I hate them too. I don't see how it is a three-fold ideology. You also don't like feminists, does not mean you will go out of your way to kick them or any stuff like that. Everybody has a type of person they don't like, that's just human nature.

I was going to write more about how 1. Moderate Islam (or moderate anything), 2. "love everyone always"-Christianity, and 3. morally relativistic atheism helped make homosexuality more than acceptable. That tolerance of one thing (homosexuality) doesn't exist in a vacuum and must then, by default, tolerate the "externalities..." one of those things being pedophilia.

But ça ne fait rien, below is what I don't understand:

(05-03-2017 05:18 PM)mikado Wrote:  @ Baldwin81

I understand your concern about the majority of Muslims that just condemn the violences but don't do anything about it concretly. Personally I do.

I am all for kicking illegals out. However I think people who immigrate legally (like me) should be given a chance to carve their own destiny, and if they are skilled enough, be allowed to work and/or stay in France. I pay my taxes like any other worker here, am respectful of everybody and I like to think I contribute equally to this country.

Are you concerned that you're going to get grouped-in with the illegals that Mme. Le Pen wants to kick out?

Is it then OK to support Trump from afar, but when, in France, you look one of the "they have to go back"-people... despite the fact that you are in France legally, you support the Rothschild candidate?



Also:

(05-03-2017 05:18 PM)mikado Wrote:  About Marine: I have read her program (actually a couple years ago I translated it on this very forum in english) and basically she is campaigning by putting all her stuff on immigration, and I think that's too 1-dimensional. Whenever she is economically confronted to a debate she just skips it, and returns back to immigration, and borders. Even tonight, she kept saying "Macron, Macron..." Give me some pragmatism Marine.

You supported Trump and should know as well as anyone on the forum that pragmatism doesn't win nationwide popularity contests. Again, the smart money is still on Macron, still, but Le Pen didn't get to this stage by being a policy wonk... For fuck's sake, Trump was the king of big talk and limited policy details on the campaign trail (nevermind the kill-shot nicknames), but now you're (presumably) going to vote Macron? Because Le Pen is not giving you pragmatism?

(05-03-2017 05:18 PM)mikado Wrote:  @Transimian

I am used to being among the sole voice against the general current since I registered (particularly in Islam, and a bit less for black issues),

Mikado,

I hope you're just being contrarian here. Are you really voting Macron after campaigning for Trump?

If so, then moderates truly believe in nothing!