Excelsior, give me a granular breakdown of your night game strategy. I am interested in the type of dialogue you use. You can obviously obscure the specific city but give me something along the lines of:

Saw lizard in a club. Approached.

Excelsior: Hey, how are you doing, is that a long island?

Lizard: Why yes it is, etc.

Break down your last five interactions like that. You can pick the last five, whether they were mostly successes, all successes or all failures. I am interested in understanding your flow from a granular standpoint instead of a summary of your strategy.

(03-02-2017 06:46 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 06:42 PM)Sketness Wrote:  I agree completely. I think that a guy like heartiste has overall good content,

I don't.
His jerkboy asshole dark triad shit has been old since he was spitting it in 2008.
And when he got doxxed, he further retreated into that style.

WIA

Are you saying that jerkboy asshole game doesn't work? Your thoughts on it and whether it works for Black Men?


My opinion is that I don't think that style of game can be replicated unless you are truly that much of an asshole. Someone who was a nice guy can't be authentically replicate that game because its not in their nature. It would come off as phony.

(03-02-2017 05:58 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I think I could swing Addis Ababa though. Habeshas on game discount?!!!?

WIA

I haven't been to Addis Ababa. I do have experience with Habesha girls in America.

-Your best bet is discretion. Their parents are extremely racist against American Black Men.
-Social circle cockblocking is not as a big deal as it is with Indians.
-Go after the Christian Habesha women because they are much easier than the Muslims.
-Don't ask her if she is Ethiopian because Eritrean women will get offended if you ask that.
-Fobs will be a lot more difficult than the American born women.

(03-02-2017 11:24 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 05:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  https://heartiste.wordpress.com - his latest article quotes this...

"Black men honestly will fuck anything, and that simply doesn’t apply to nonblacks to the same degree."

I think a lot of people believe this, thoughts?

Men at the bottom of the socio-economic hierarchy tend to spend the most time with women who are of lower physical quality.

Black men are at the bottom of the socio-economic hierarchy.

That's it. It isn't that complicated.

Black men don't inherently prefer women with NFL-linebacker weight and huge guts or AARP cards, but most are in the kind of socio-economic position where if they do not open their minds to regularly getting with said women, they will endure very long dry spells. Furthermore, the stigma attached to them by society as a result of their socio-economic position (a stigma which has always been enforced in American history by a society that hasn't really been to keen to see many, if any, black men rise above said position) makes it tougher for them to attract higher quality women because many said women are aware of the stigma and need to be hit with much higher quality game in order to get over it in their heads. Rudebwoy's post here is illustrative:

(07-21-2016 07:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I find no matter how liberal a American girl is, there is too much "history" and bad propaganda against blacks for her to look past.

Dating European girls tends to be easier, they will generally see you as a black guy from the UK or Africa or America.

That inability to look past the "history" and "propaganda" is relevant here, because it creates an uphill battle for black men to fight. All women care about how they are seen and perceived, and being with a black male, because of said history and propaganda (as well as stereotypes associated with the fact that black males in the USA do tend to be at the low end of the socio-economic totem pole), is viewed as a way to be seen and perceived negatively. This makes it harder for black men to get with said women (again, the tighter game required). Lower quality women with fewer options and less to lose are more open because they have fewer options and less to lose (these are the fat women who only date black men). The fact that black women themselves tend to be larger than everyone else only further darkens matters by making it even more difficult for a black male to find consistent success with a woman who isn't a linebacker.

This is also why it often appears to us that black men are getting higher quality abroad. The history, propaganda, and stereotypes are weaker in many parts of the world, which removes some of the constraints black men have here (they need not merely accept anything to get consistent success, but can seek some of the same quality reserved for other men back home).

To sum it all up: black men settle for less because they are at once 1) perceived by society to be less (as has always been the case in the USA) and 2) actually in a position where obtaining more is difficult (as I noted before, attractive women are expensive).

Though I agree with you in places like the UK and Canada, this is not the case per-se. In Canada, the bottom of the ladder has the Aboriginals, and in the most densely populated sections of Canada, few Canadians will ever come across one.

In Canada, your class and your circle define who you are. Because of this a man of any shade or colour can in any top circles simply from a position of where he is born into, or where he works and gets himself into. There is simply no "baggage" or "history" here so a black man can create the reality he wants for himself if he knows how to go about it. Of course, some stigmas still exist, but they are easy to break if you know how to say the right things, to the write people, and do the right things at the right times.

I grew up in the early stages of High School I was part of "the club" the most popular kid in school. It is funny when you get up to those levels because the blondies and white girls who would not know you were alive all of sudden wanted to be your friend and wanted to touch your penis. I was in between a rock and a hard place because I was a man of the people, a democratic man, who was friends with an assortment of characters from the jocks I played football with, to the stoners I skipped class with, all my African and Jamaican homies, and of course all the white kids I grew up with. I learned though that spreading myself thin like this would be to my detriment, but I did not know these social cues then. Plus having overbearing African parents did not help. When I got invited to all the parties each weekend, it was hard for me to make it out. Eventually, if you can do the social upkeep, you get faded out which is what happened by 3rd year. All of a sudden those blondie top shelf white girls didn't want to talk to me anymore. Not a surprise at all.

I provide my personal experience of how it can work in environments where other factors such as class and where and who you roll with matter more than race. I say this because black men have the opportunity in these places to be part of the top shelf pack and have access to all the spoils they do. There isn't some glass ceiling up here for us in many areas of Canada. So it becomes a matter of effort and where you want to put in your time. For many brothers who enjoy sex, it is easy to go dumpster dive with abundant sloppy fat monsters who will gladly pry open their fat legs for a black man. Or you can work to improve your station and your setting and try and get up to that upper level.

These things are usually built out in High School or University, but one can play catch up depending on the city he is in. If he is in a midsize or smaller city, it is very easy to overwhelm the local scene if you can connect to "the club" via bunnies partnerships. Next minute you know you are having scotch night, or on a trip to Arizona to play golf with them and all things are good. Especially if you are new to town they have no recollection of here you came from; they only have you in today's setting to judge.

Let us say @Excelsior you are placing yourself Winnipeg for example with a strategic plan towards the people that matter would have you running that city in no time at all. Even Toronto is not that big for this, but the scene here is not worth the effort but could easily be done. The people I used to run with now do videos for The Weekend and in business partnerships in LA and what not. I used to turn up with these dudes back in the day like it was nothing. If I had kept it going, I would have been in that scene now.

In the UK it is all class and pedigree. If you are born or roll into the right standing, then it is all green lights from there. The rich ass Africans I see from the UK are on another level. I might as well be alien to them as I have little in common with them.

But the crux is that it all comes from the mindset. Black men in America keep themselves in the doghouse by wasting time with disgusting women. The black man in America has to have an awareness of who and what he continues as a company and how it affects his standing on a macro level. If you hand around fat broads or places with fat chicks that is all that is going to surround you and to get involved with you. If you get into places and circles where these trash women do no exist then your reality is quite different.

For me back in High School the fatties only came around when I was hanging out with my African and Jamaican friends, I just keep it real. We would like to sneak into the bars and stuff, and we didn't know any better, so it was always the bars with all the fat soca broads who like to hunt for eggplants. You get faded and drunk, and you see your homie gripping a sea monster.. this is how it starts. For many though if they have no variation of circles or scenes that are all they place themselves in situation wise. You expose yourself to that enough times, and it is what you become.

(03-02-2017 10:27 PM)Moma Wrote:  StackGsMan, you and I are similar because although I am not Arab, I am foreign and African American lizards hear my voice and think coconut or something else. This being said, our strategies and experiences will be somewhat similar.

Ignore the fraff that the black American lizard says to you. The rape stuff, I have heard it before from one..she kept hinting that she hopes I won't try anything, I ignored it and kept re-iterating that I have British films to watch. Back at mine, I sucked heavily on her big tits and got sloppy toppy. You can probe and find out what she likes or something. Maybe pretend that you can role play with her and promise to dress her in the sheik robes. I know it sounds stereotypical but often this is what intrigues the lizards.

For example, when one of my lizards found out I was African, she was so thrilled by this, she told all her friends etc. I put on one of my traditional outfits one day and ordered her around and then ramrodded her from the back, shouting at her with my African accent. I told her I would share her amongst my younger male villagers and this aroused her immensely.
It's touch and go because sometimes the black lizards can take offense to the most odd things. Laugh a lot, I don't know if you are witty but if you keep running jokes and don't take her blatherings seriously, that's the best light you can approach your situation in.

Keep us posted, we share ships, podna!

Quality post.

(03-02-2017 11:41 PM)Moma Wrote:  Excelsior, give me a granular breakdown of your night game strategy. I am interested in the type of dialogue you use. You can obviously obscure the specific city but give me something along the lines of:

Saw lizard in a club. Approached.

Excelsior: Hey, how are you doing, is that a long island?

Lizard: Why yes it is, etc.

Break down your last five interactions like that. You can pick the last five, whether they were mostly successes, all successes or all failures. I am interested in understanding your flow from a granular standpoint instead of a summary of your strategy.

I can't do that. I don't remember those interactions to anywhere near that level of detail (and that includes those I had as recently as Friday). The general strategy upon approach is easy for me to repeat, but very little of what is said is committed to memory - I can't give you a line by line breakdown of any given interaction in some club or bar. If I tried, I would literally just be making words up. The summary is about as granular as you're going to get.

(03-02-2017 07:59 PM)Fortis Wrote:  "At black men will fuck anything"

The uncomfortable truth: Yes, sometimes.

I'm not saying it's men in this thread and these guys but those fat white chicks are DEFINITELY getting piped by black dudes or they wouldn't fucking bother us. I cannot tell you how many fat-ass white chicks then they have a shot with me simply because i'm the only black guy in a room.

I've had white girls in china come at me with shit like,

"you're a black man at a party. I know why you're here."

"excuse me, bitch."



They did not just learn that lame shit on TV. I've personally known black dudes who will fuck whatever comes their way. It's nasty and disgraceful and it perpetuates that stereotype that we fuck any old thing.

Few things in the world bother me more than entitled, fat white women and the thirsty negroes who big them up and create that entitlement. These people are not just unattractive and frustrating, but they do genuine harm in engaging in soft entitled bigotry (the fat white women who think fit black guy belongs with them just because she is white) and perpetuating the notion of black men as the garbage men of the sexual marketplace (the thirsty negroes who chase these women around and big them up).

Again, as I mentioned before, there are definitely some socio-economic factors at play here in the USA that govern the actions these men take, but the whole phenomenon is still infuriating.

(03-02-2017 05:13 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  ^^ Typical alt-right, nationalist, low-key YT supremacist rhetoric. If they had the opportunity to fuck half the bishes that crave this BBC they'd jump at the chance.

Low-key? Maybe at one point long ago, but Heartiste has long since passed "low-key" white supremacy. He does not hide his contempt for black men or belief in their inferiority at all.

(03-03-2017 12:32 AM)kosko Wrote:  Though I agree with you in places like the UK and Canada, this is not the case per-se. In Canada, the bottom of the ladder has the Aboriginals, and in the most densely populated sections of Canada, few Canadians will ever come across one.

In Canada, your class and your circle define who you are. Because of this a man of any shade or colour can in any top circles simply from a position of where he is born into, or where he works and gets himself into. There is simply no "baggage" or "history" here so a black man can create the reality he wants for himself if he knows how to go about it. Of course, some stigmas still exist, but they are easy to break if you know how to say the right things, to the write people, and do the right things at the right times.

I grew up in the early stages of High School I was part of "the club" the most popular kid in school. It is funny when you get up to those levels because the blondies and white girls who would not know you were alive all of sudden wanted to be your friend and wanted to touch your penis. I was in between a rock and a hard place because I was a man of the people, a democratic man, who was friends with an assortment of characters from the jocks I played football with, to the stoners I skipped class with, all my African and Jamaican homies, and of course all the white kids I grew up with. I learned though that spreading myself thin like this would be to my detriment, but I did not know these social cues then. Plus having overbearing African parents did not help. When I got invited to all the parties each weekend, it was hard for me to make it out. Eventually, if you can do the social upkeep, you get faded out which is what happened by 3rd year. All of a sudden those blondie top shelf white girls didn't want to talk to me anymore. Not a surprise at all.

I provide my personal experience of how it can work in environments where other factors such as class and where and who you roll with matter more than race. I say this because black men have the opportunity in these places to be part of the top shelf pack and have access to all the spoils they do. There isn't some glass ceiling up here for us in many areas of Canada. So it becomes a matter of effort and where you want to put in your time. For many brothers who enjoy sex, it is easy to go dumpster dive with abundant sloppy fat monsters who will gladly pry open their fat legs for a black man. Or you can work to improve your station and your setting and try and get up to that upper level.

These things are usually built out in High School or University, but one can play catch up depending on the city he is in. If he is in a midsize or smaller city, it is very easy to overwhelm the local scene if you can connect to "the club" via bunnies partnerships. Next minute you know you are having scotch night, or on a trip to Arizona to play golf with them and all things are good. Especially if you are new to town they have no recollection of here you came from; they only have you in today's setting to judge.

Let us say @Excelsior you are placing yourself Winnipeg for example with a strategic plan towards the people that matter would have you running that city in no time at all. Even Toronto is not that big for this, but the scene here is not worth the effort but could easily be done. The people I used to run with now do videos for The Weekend and in business partnerships in LA and what not. I used to turn up with these dudes back in the day like it was nothing. If I had kept it going, I would have been in that scene now.

In the UK it is all class and pedigree. If you are born or roll into the right standing, then it is all green lights from there. The rich ass Africans I see from the UK are on another level. I might as well be alien to them as I have little in common with them.

But the crux is that it all comes from the mindset. Black men in America keep themselves in the doghouse by wasting time with disgusting women. The black man in America has to have an awareness of who and what he continues as a company and how it affects his standing on a macro level. If you hand around fat broads or places with fat chicks that is all that is going to surround you and to get involved with you. If you get into places and circles where these trash women do no exist then your reality is quite different.

For me back in High School the fatties only came around when I was hanging out with my African and Jamaican friends, I just keep it real. We would like to sneak into the bars and stuff, and we didn't know any better, so it was always the bars with all the fat soca broads who like to hunt for eggplants. You get faded and drunk, and you see your homie gripping a sea monster.. this is how it starts. For many though if they have no variation of circles or scenes that are all they place themselves in situation wise. You expose yourself to that enough times, and it is what you become.

Quality post and it jives with my impression of the Canadian/UK scene (where I've noticed black men have tended to perform better than in most parts of the USA - I myself have had much better experiences with Canadian girls than their American counterparts). For the record, my post was meant specifically to refer to the American scene, which you have also accurately described (ex: you accurately deduce the issue of black men failing to prevent exposure to the low end and, ultimately, becoming it - though I'd add that the environment makes it tougher for them to avoid this fate).

The UK and Canada, as you note, lack some of the propaganda/negative historical trends that typecast blacks, which frees men up to greater opportunities than are typically available in the states. Those societies also have a much higher tolerance/acceptance of IR relationships, which helps. All of this leads to better quality on average.

I also can relate to the bit about rich British Africans. I met one such individual at school - Nigerian dude who also went to my undergraduate school (though I hadn't met him there). He's a cool dude, but "alien" is about right to describe him relative to me. His lifestyle, experiences, and social circles are distinct enough that we may as well exist on different planets. He's never even in school (constantly flying to and fro) and I've been lucky to glimpse him more than once a semester since our first year.

I admire him, actually. I envy the fact that he was able to grow up in a society where other aspects of his identity could transcend his race and allow him to just be. Not just be "the black guy" or be a stereotype, but just be. He's a character, but that character is, as you say, defined more by his upbringing (and the opportunities it afforded him) than his race.

There's a certain liberation in this that I, as an American-born/raised individual, will probably never know. I've seen many instances of this racial transcendence in the UK from friends, strangers, and relatives (with my mother being among the only family who struck out for the states, many of my relatives are still over there).

Racism is definitely there and race is relevant, but it's...different. Less omnipotent, less central to all aspects of life/identity. It's at a point where not only have I been shocked to see how relatively limited race was as a factor in the UK, but I've known many a Brit to arrive here in the states and express shock and awe at just how prominent race is here. The black Brits I know (including my relatives and my rich British friend) are also extremely well integrated relative to black Americans - they feel "British" in a way most black Americans will never truly feel "American".

My rich British African friend, having been raised in that environment, could transcend his race - his pedigree meant more than his genetics. I don't really think it's possible to do that here in the states. Your blackness always comes first and foremost here - all other aspects of you are secondary.

As I said, I envy my friend. I hope one day my own sons can be something like him. I can't be sure that'll ever happen here, which is part of why expatriation is part of the long-term plan.

Question: Those of you that only have bachelor degrees, what field do you work in?

Not too keen on going to grad school. I know I gotta keep my skillset sharp...I work in healthcare consulting. Any certifications or online courses that you all recommend?

Edit: Excelsior, you went to an Ivy League! Couldn't you do the same thing as your Nigerian friend by going to some happy hours and networking there?

Basket, can't you move towards getting a certificate perhaps in something IT related? Maybe some sort of coding. There is a RVF member that we know who does IT sales and makes good money from it. You can lean towards that. That way your social skills get honed and you can hit lizards in different locales like James Bond.

(03-02-2017 11:52 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 05:58 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I think I could swing Addis Ababa though. Habeshas on game discount?!!!?

WIA

I haven't been to Addis Ababa. I do have experience with Habesha girls in America.

-Your best bet is discretion. Their parents are extremely racist against American Black Men.
-Social circle cockblocking is not as a big deal as it is with Indians.
-Go after the Christian Habesha women because they are much easier than the Muslims.
-Don't ask her if she is Ethiopian because Eritrean women will get offended if you ask that.
-Fobs will be a lot more difficult than the American born women.

I'm a usual lurker here but just had to chime in. Ghanaian - American but been working on the continent the past few years and prob not coming back to Trumpland for a while haha after what I've seen while on my annual vacation this month.

You can't compare Americanized Habesha women to Habesha women in Addis, and I say this as a guy who's dated both(although I don't reside in Addis, have visited a few times the past few years.) Generally Expat African Americans and Africans(it is where the AU is based) do pretty well as long as they're not acting trashy and ghetto, and even then as long as you have cash...

There also isn't a huge stigma in Ethiopia towards dating other Africans. You might get a few stares from some of the guys, but Ethiopian men are cockblocks in general to everyone. Most women and their families are absolutely thrilled that their daughter is dating a nice african man with means or from the west. There's also a huge subculture of Ethiopians girls that are very into reggae and afrobeats, so that's a whole audience ready for the pickings there as well. Ethiopians are egotistical and do have a bit of superiority complex but at the end of the day they're all still Africans and see themselves as Africans.

You guys definitely need to get out here on the continent in general though. Beyond Ethiopia there are just so many opportunities and so many banging scenes just emerging. And the crazy thing is that you guys, BLACK MEN, are at no disadvantage there, you are the cream of the crop just waiting to be hailed. Diaspora Black men are seen as the standard of cool on the continent. Whether you're at a sky bar in Nairobi, partying at Labadi Beach in Accra, chilling at a hotel on the Mozambique Riviera after an amazing threesome, its all there waiting for you. I don't understand why some of you(not you guys on the forum of course) are settling for obese white bitches and crazy dramatic single mothers when you have a whole continent of 1.2 billion made for you.

ET

What is a YT woman?

Get Out looks interesting bc I've met the parents before. An older film that tackles the same subject is Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. It's from the 60s and stars Sydney Poitier.

I like movies like this, reveals how white people think. And my circles are pretty white...

Thanks for the suggestion, Moma

Edit: Figured out YT -- clever

@ET: Do you have plugs for work anywhere in Africa? I want to go across the pond -- I've been lucky enough to visit some places outside of the US -- but anywhere you go, cash has to flow.

I work in technology and the legal field. I was just having a conversation with a potna of mine about upcoming industry booms. Cloud based technology is already exploding, think SaaS, HaaS, etc. But now, shit like QCaaS (Quantum Computing as a Service, scalable high power computing) and DaaS (Driving as a Service, I.e., self-driving cars) are set to explode exponentially. IT has never really been a degree-centric field, instead it's primarily certification based. If you're not interested in the granular level engineering shit, think IT project management. It's something that can be done remotely, project based, and pays really well.

Data science! For now at least.

Long term, I see the Palantir type companies offering it businesses via the cloud.

Right now you can do a fair amount of stuff with a desktop for about a G. The angle I'm trying to figure out is trying to apply it to small scale problems.

One of my finance potnas was saying that financial folks don't look at things less than 10 million.

True or not, that means there is room right now

WIA

There is a glass ceiling in Canada.
There is a glass ceiling in the UK.
Lets not paint these places as some Utopia.

How many black guys do you see in upper management positions in Canada and the UK.
I would say America has both countries beat in that regards.

In Canada you can date a white girl without any physical repercussions, I have never heard of a black guy being attacked or killed for dating a white girl.

In the UK, they are more tolerant of IR relationships. However, the country has a lot of physical violence despite having very few guns. There are many reported stories about black guys being killed in racial attacks.

I am probably 20 years older than Kosko and many of you guys on this forum. My experiences are different to many of you. I was involved in fist fights when I was a kid in school (UK), I was the only black kid in most of the schools I attended.

I may talk more about my life growing up, I talked a bit about it on the first podcast. I will discuss it more on the next one.

@Excelsior - online dating will not help your game. No matter what you have to get out and socialize, take your falls and learn from your mistakes.

I encourage you and invite you to come up north, come to Toronto and lets chop it up.

No excuses!

(03-03-2017 10:04 AM)BasketBounce Wrote:  What is a YT woman?

Get Out looks interesting bc I've met the parents before. An older film that tackles the same subject is Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. It's from the 60s and stars Sydney Poitier.

I like movies like this, reveals how white people think. And my circles are pretty white...

Thanks for the suggestion, Moma

Edit: Figured out YT -- clever

@ET: Do you have plugs for work anywhere in Africa? I want to go across the pond -- I've been lucky enough to visit some places outside of the US -- but anywhere you go, cash has to flow.

If you're in IT/Tech or involved in the startup space, I have tons of routes and connects, that's my industry. If not, I also know business concepts that are doing pretty well in certain regions of the continent(West + East). PM me if needed.

Brothers must continuously stay focused on business ownership, consulting, and working for ourselves. No one will make you the king of their castle. The institutional racism in the US, along with the extremely conducive business ownership environment ironically gives us leverage that many don't have. YT Folks will pay for value added products no matter who's offering them as opposed to hiring someone with value who will eventually outperform them

Finance wise, if you can do things economically where folks don't see you, you can steadily bank.

The second they see difference, their competitive posture changes to defeat the "Other", no matter the cost. It's a pattern I've seen time and time again.

Instead of Ivory Coast Capital - General Economics.

Obsidian Motoring? South Brooklyn Auto

Where others want to market themselves, the better strategy is to appear generic.

WIA

Have any of you boys ever smashed a chick after your boy tossed you the number out of disinterest? Last week I was out with a few homies when they pulled two chicks. I exchanged pleasantries with them, but didn't talk to the chick in question for any extended period. Fast forward a week later, and I got the number from my boy after he said he didn't have plans to hit her up and figured I would shoot my shot. How would y'all approach it since you basically have no rapport with the chick?

(03-03-2017 01:02 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  The second they see difference, their competitive posture changes to defeat the "Other", no matter the cost. It's a pattern I've seen time and time again.

WIA

So Phucking True!

(03-03-2017 02:08 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  Have any of you boys ever smashed a chick after your boy tossed you the number out of disinterest? Last week I was out with a few homies when they pulled two chicks. I exchanged pleasantries with them, but didn't talk to the chick in question for any extended period. Fast forward a week later, and I got the number from my boy after he said he didn't have plans to hit her up and figured I would shoot my shot. How would y'all approach it since you basically have no rapport with the chick?

1) You can always just shoot your shot, as the kids say. Ask her out, run standard game. It's a lottery ticket to scratch off


2) The player's move is to get her out in a group setting and use group dynamics to make her "see" you in the best light possible.

She sees you being a social guy, you're bringing her to meet new people, these people see you as cool, she gets a better vibe about you from third parties. Then you isolate, etc

Option 1 - you have to assume physical attraction.
Option 2 - you generate something other than pure physical attraction using social means

If you've got attractive stuff about your life that you've managed to document - adding her to your "Facebook profile for these hoes" would be a good move to warm her up.

WIA

(03-03-2017 06:33 AM)BasketBounce Wrote:  Edit: Excelsior, you went to an Ivy League! Couldn't you do the same thing as your Nigerian friend by going to some happy hours and networking there?

What do you mean by "do the same thing"?

If you mean "become affluent", then sure, I can do that. There is a reason why even getting close to him is difficult (despite our attending the same schools and having some of the same people in our extended social circles): I'm not from his world, and this breed of human doesn't spend much time on outsiders (I learned that the hard way in undergrad). That is why if I get anywhere it'll mostly be through my own work, but networking can (and has) helped. I was not born into wealth the way he was, so it will take me longer (I'll have to earn what he simply has) and some of the social circles he's already in here won't be penetrable (you need to be born into those), but I certainly can (and do) aspire to the same lifestyle in the long term.

If you mean "transcend race" and "just be", then no. That's impossible in the USA, no matter how rich you are. Also, having been cultivated almost entirely in the American environment, I'll never really know the personal freedom he has racially - that requires one to come up in an environment absent the kind of all-encompassing racial omnipotence known in the USA (a place where you haven't had your race constantly drilled as the central focal point of your existence for your entire life). It just is what it is.

Were I to migrate to the UK (something I have considered long-term given my legal status as an Englishman), then there could be some progress, albeit partial. The baggage would still be there, but there could be actual change in a society that at least tends to see beyond race a bit more often and would, as a result, open the possibility of my building an identity where race is not the leading factor in and and every thing. That would be nice, but we'll see.

I can't ever really be my British-Nigerian friend, but my children can. That's the real goal.

(03-03-2017 07:14 AM)entrepreneurtime Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 11:52 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 05:58 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I think I could swing Addis Ababa though. Habeshas on game discount?!!!?

WIA

I haven't been to Addis Ababa. I do have experience with Habesha girls in America.

-Your best bet is discretion. Their parents are extremely racist against American Black Men.
-Social circle cockblocking is not as a big deal as it is with Indians.
-Go after the Christian Habesha women because they are much easier than the Muslims.
-Don't ask her if she is Ethiopian because Eritrean women will get offended if you ask that.
-Fobs will be a lot more difficult than the American born women.

I'm a usual lurker here but just had to chime in. Ghanaian - American but been working on the continent the past few years and prob not coming back to Trumpland for a while haha after what I've seen while on my annual vacation this month.

You can't compare Americanized Habesha women to Habesha women in Addis, and I say this as a guy who's dated both(although I don't reside in Addis, have visited a few times the past few years.) Generally Expat African Americans and Africans(it is where the AU is based) do pretty well as long as they're not acting trashy and ghetto, and even then as long as you have cash...

There also isn't a huge stigma in Ethiopia towards dating other Africans. You might get a few stares from some of the guys, but Ethiopian men are cockblocks in general to everyone. Most women and their families are absolutely thrilled that their daughter is dating a nice african man with means or from the west. There's also a huge subculture of Ethiopians girls that are very into reggae and afrobeats, so that's a whole audience ready for the pickings there as well. Ethiopians are egotistical and do have a bit of superiority complex but at the end of the day they're all still Africans and see themselves as Africans.

You guys definitely need to get out here on the continent in general though. Beyond Ethiopia there are just so many opportunities and so many banging scenes just emerging. And the crazy thing is that you guys, BLACK MEN, are at no disadvantage there, you are the cream of the crop just waiting to be hailed. Diaspora Black men are seen as the standard of cool on the continent. Whether you're at a sky bar in Nairobi, partying at Labadi Beach in Accra, chilling at a hotel on the Mozambique Riviera after an amazing threesome, its all there waiting for you. I don't understand why some of you are settling for obese white bitches and crazy dramatic single mothers when you have a whole continent of 1.2 billion made for you.

ET

Amen to the bolded and co-sign everything else said here too. Lots of opportunities coming up in the non-western world. Black men need to work harder to seize some of them and escape the status quo.

#SYSBM (Save Yourselves, Black Men)

(03-03-2017 01:02 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Finance wise, if you can do things economically where folks don't see you, you can steadily bank.

The second they see difference, their competitive posture changes to defeat the "Other", no matter the cost. It's a pattern I've seen time and time again.

Instead of Ivory Coast Capital - General Economics.

Obsidian Motoring? South Brooklyn Auto

Where others want to market themselves, the better strategy is to appear generic.

WIA

I might go even further and appear Anglo-Saxon as fuck.

Ivory Coast Capital - Cornwall Capital
Obsidian Motoring - Chapelton Automotive
Ashanti Funds - Rockwell Capital Management
Uhuru Advisors - Manchester Advisors

It's kind of the same thing with given names. Stealth is part of the reason I have the name I have - nobody is going to look at my name and immediately expect a black male (at which point they can trash the resume or otherwise engage biases). At first glance on paper, I could just as easily be any WASP - and that's just the way my mother wanted it.

(03-03-2017 12:26 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  There is a glass ceiling in Canada.
There is a glass ceiling in the UK.
Lets not paint these places as some Utopia.

I wasn't. I simply said that those places have a healthier racial environment (at least from a black perspective) than the USA. That's not a terribly high bar given how unhealthy the USA's environment can be, but it's a fact nonetheless.

Quote:I am probably 20 years older than Kosko and many of you guys on this forum. My experiences are different to many of you. I was involved in fist fights when I was a kid in school (UK), I was the only black kid in most of the schools I attended.

I may talk more about my life growing up, I talked a bit about it on the first podcast. I will discuss it more on the next one.

My mother also has some interesting stories to tell.

As bad as some of them are, she never shies from the conclusion I made above: the USA has a very different racial environment than the UK.

Quote:@Excelsior - online dating will not help your game.

I fundamentally disagree with you. Online dating has been helpful as a component of my game. I've gotten more notches out of that than I've gotten from night game in the past year, and those successes were definitely helpful to me overall from a game perspective (good for confidence and maintaining state - in that sense, it has helped galvanize recent improvements in my night and social circle game as well).

While I would not counsel singular reliance on online game to the exclusion of all else, I would certainly not claim that online dating categorically will not help your game. As a component of a larger approach, it absolutely can be helpful and I wouldn't neglect it.

Quote:No matter what you have to get out and socialize, take your falls and learn from your mistakes.

OK. Can you tell me where I said anything to the contrary? Because I don't see me contradicting you here:

(03-02-2017 11:23 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 03:37 PM)Moma Wrote:  Excelsior, what is your strategy? Are you out for lays or LTR? Either or, how do you set out to accomplish this? Give me some of your overt strategies, please.

@Excelsior - I would love to hear your new strategies and what you have found works for you!

I preference social circle and online game while simultaneously working to locate and place myself in closer proximity to women who are foreign-born, foreign-raised, or both. Because nearly all of my success has come from women who are in that non-American born/raised category, my recent efforts have focused on re-orienting my efforts in social circle, online, and night game to yield more opportunities to get in touch with such women

Nor is what I said here out of line with what you're saying:

(02-27-2017 11:43 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

Quote:I would listen to Moma, he talks about going out solo, making x amount of approaches, asking girls to buy him a drink and taking your lumps. More importantly learn from your mistakes.

I have. I'm not new at this. In fact, Moma and I had a debate not entirely dissimilar to this one nearly 6 years ago:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-2303-...l#pid74826

I was basically a teenager then, still in college, just a year and a half (or thereabouts) worth of experience in reading/learning/practicing the game. We went back and forth about the value of cold approaching and game vs. money. I was influenced by what he said then - it got me to actually consider the value of cold approaching and the real worth of wealth in the game. He was right to note that, at the time, I was really only discussing the game from a theoretical perspective. I hadn't spent enough time out in the field, in the real world, really grappling with the realities of it all. I hadn't approached enough or gained anything near the requisite amount of practical experience off campus.

Understanding this, I didn't get into any arguments about money vs. game or the merits of cold approaching on the forum. I realized I needed to rectify some of the issues described above, issues Moma correctly pointed out. It's been, as I said, nearly 6 years.

So, what was I doing in that time? Growing up. Leaving school. Getting an actual job. Living in a real city. Making actual money. Getting out in the field. Going out solo. Making approaches - LOTS of approaches. Working to counter approach anxiety. Practicing active listening skills. Taking lumps - LOTS of lumps. Getting more deeply in touch with the game directly from a practical level, as opposed to a theoretical level.

And where has that led me? Right where we are now.

That's not to say I'm done learning - one could argue that no man is ever really done learning. It is to say, however, that the conclusions I've come to are informed by experience and prior dialogue with respected, knowledgeable individuals.

I've listened to Moma, taken my lumps, and learned from my (many) mistakes. What you're reading are my conclusions drawn from all of that after getting into the real world and learning in the field.

I'm glad I had that argument with Moma then because it got the idea of cold approaching into my head and forced me to give it more of a shot. I wouldn't be as informed today had I not done committed to doing more approaches. It not only brought me closer to my full potential in game, but it also taught me more about my strengths and my limits. Every man should commit to them for at least some significant period of time for the learning experience alone. Big up Moma for making that argument then - he was right.

I've made it clear in this thread (and in hundreds of other posts made since I've been here) that I agree with you.

So why are you telling me now that I need to "get out and socialize, take your falls and learn from your mistakes"? Where did I give you the impression that I was not already aware of that and acting accordingly? How does any of what I've written above lead you to conclude that I don't think one needs to get out, socialize, fail, and learn from mistakes? How does any of what I've written above lead you to conclude that I haven't already been doing so?

Quote:I encourage you and invite you to come up north, come to Toronto and lets chop it up.

No excuses!

I haven't been. We'll see.

(03-03-2017 04:25 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  It's kind of the same thing with given names. Stealth is part of the reason I have the name I have - nobody is going to look at my name and immediately expect a black male (at which point they can trash the resume or otherwise engage biases). At first glance on paper, I could just as easily be any WASP - and that's just the way my mother wanted it.

Yeah man, my gov't name is as anglo sounding as humanly possible without being Bob Jones, lol. But pretty damn close to it.
I truly feel sorry for the D'marion's and Ja'kharian's of the world

So whenever I go out, I feel that this is a good place to just dump my stream of consciousness experiences/assessment.

24yr old black male in NYC, into the Brooklyn scene.

Out with an acquaintance, met a dude i went to college with, met a co-worker of his. White girll, 6. Was not gaming, but chit chatting. Thought I built comforter, might go in for personal touch.

She was out with my friend, and a friend of hers. Friend of hers was on a Tinder date. When her friend started making out with the dude, she wanted to take a photo, to "troll."

Built loads of comfort. Also taking same grad school test as I am in June. Thought - Should I run GALNUC to switch it to game?

However, while I thought this, the white girl was just hyper focused on third wheeling her friends tinder date.

I asked for digits. She said something about how she feels more gay than straight tonight. LMR? Or was I being too comforting? Her disposition with her friend, perhaps that should have been a red flag? I am hearing this "being with friends/friends angle" too much in NYC. Both in non-night game and night

With this girl, my body action tells me no. Like even if it was a yes, my hesitation doesn't bode well. At one point when her, friend; and I were dancing together, she walked away from me.

Dance floor game in NYC seems creepy.

Decided to keep at it - Went up to a chick on dance floor, started dancing, escalating, she was like "I'm trying to find the words to tell you I'm not going home with you."

Continued to hammer home - Dance floor game is a low sum game for black men.

Maybe I'm being pansy tonight. Perhaps Roosh's "night game is dead" is on...the yield in night game being lower these days. Low enough that it isn't worth the investment.

Distant Light's NYC nightgame strategy definitely seems like where it's at though. I had fun with my friend. He knew the DJ. I met the DJ last week through my own shit. It was...comforting social proof.

^Ill elaborate upon the above tomorrow, as questions are asked.

Above all, I'm happy. I did not spent that much money. Two beers for a friend and I, food for when I left, and a Lyft home. A roughly $40 night.

Like screw women, I'm happy I just had - decent time out without spending exorbitant fees.