Finally, with the first white girl, in hindsight WIA's "turn it into a learning opportunity, say whatever and see what happens" would have been a good move, after getting those signs.

Mace, my only real criticism is that you ran too much comfort and weren't aggressive enough. Night time in NYC is definitely the time to push the limits a bit more.

So I had my third date with the Cape Verde girl I mentioned a couple pages back and it went very well. She came over for "netflix and chill" and we drank rum, watched the movie for about thirty minutes before I pounced on her. Had a real fun night, have to admit she kind of wore me out since she was fucking insatiable. I have a consultancy project due this Sunday so I had to kick her out early in the morning and she was perturbed that I didn't make her breakfast. For her, it is traditional or hospitable to make breakfast when one sleeps over so she expects that done for her. In my couple years in the Netherlands I have not had breakfast made for me or have made breakfast for anyone that has stayed over (usually I just offer tea and fruits).


In regards to the other topic of IT/big data/cloud-based services/Internet-of-Things, etc does anyone have any expertise in this field or currently working in it? As part of my final semester at uni I am part of a consultant group that is advising a global supply chain management company on how to modernize their business through data/tech innovations. During my research I have realized that big data/IT is the way of the future, not only for individuals but also for Multinational enterprises. I don't have much tech expertise but I would be interested in gaining any knowledge or certifications that might help me to profit from this upcoming paradigm shift.

I forgot to mention that I appreciate the sage advice of WIA (especially with the Cape Verde girl), you definitely put things in perspective and always provide great insight on the core principles of game. Thanks for helping me pull my head out of my ass.

(03-02-2017 11:52 PM)Iso Wrote:  I haven't been to Addis Ababa. I do have experience with Habesha girls in America.

-Your best bet is discretion. Their parents are extremely racist against American Black Men.
-Social circle cockblocking is not as a big deal as it is with Indians.
-Go after the Christian Habesha women because they are much easier than the Muslims.
-Don't ask her if she is Ethiopian because Eritrean women will get offended if you ask that.
-Fobs will be a lot more difficult than the American born women.

Addis Abba is in Ethiopia so Archie won't need to ask that question there. But more specifically to the bolded, Habesha is made up of both Eritreans and Ethiopians and to the untrained eye, including mine, those groups look the same so how would an outsider tell the difference.

(03-02-2017 04:39 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Girls
- Dr
- Colombia
- Mexico

Food
- Mexico
- Dr
- Colombia

Stuff to see
- Mexico

Cost?
American bonus?

The datasheets don't do much for my particular interests

WIA

Archie, besides lizards and food, what are your other interests specifically when travelling.? I can only speak of DR but the country has some nice sights to see. You can drive to other cities and view other things. The food seems to be plantain, rice and then a variety of other things that I can't remember. You can get seafood as well if you wish. To be very frank, I have been spoiled in regards to the Caribbean food. I still rank Jamaican and Trinidad cuisine as top. I have eaten in both countries and I was like, damn (in a good way). DR food isn't bad overall and I cannot speak for Mexico or Colombia.

^^I wonder if I get more points if I say Im Haitian? Seems to work with Africans, kind of.

(03-04-2017 08:35 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  ^^I wonder if I get more points if I say Im Haitian? Seems to work with Africans, kind of.

Get more points where?

Agree I ran too much comfort. However, im not really "comfortable" with playing aggressive. Combination of some slight "social fear" of doing it as a 6'3 black male, along with my ego not wanting to tank a rejection - two thought processes that can be handled with a "not giving a fuck" attitude though.

When talking with a chick and doing my default "building comfort," I just need to be more touchy. I think that's a good middle ground, and is super helpful for making ME more comfortable (which is more important) in the interaction.

Another take-away for me from last night - I just prefer "hipster" places. They actually have spaces where I can talk & be heard. Plus the music is better. Plus the crowds are more diverse.

Patiently awaiting Distant Light's NYC promoter game nuggets...

(03-04-2017 08:52 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Patiently awaiting Distant Light's NYC promoter game nuggets...

Listened to our podcast with him?

^^^Referring to Ethipoian/Eritrean girls. I dont have that much experience with them, but so far it feels that non-American black girls (and people in general) ask you your Nationality within the first five minutes of conversation.

"No, where are you REALLY from?"

(03-04-2017 09:23 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  ^^^Referring to Ethipoian/Eritrean girls. I dont have that much experience with them, but so far it feels that non-American black girls (and people in general) ask you your Nationality within the first five minutes of conversation.

"No, where are you REALLY from?"

What happens when you tell them you are African American? I have a very similar experience but I want to hear your general results before I go forth with my approach.

(03-04-2017 05:17 AM)Fury Wrote:  In regards to the other topic of IT/big data/cloud-based services/Internet-of-Things, etc does anyone have any expertise in this field or currently working in it? As part of my final semester at uni I am part of a consultant group that is advising a global supply chain management company on how to modernize their business through data/tech innovations. During my research I have realized that big data/IT is the way of the future, not only for individuals but also for Multinational enterprises. I don't have much tech expertise but I would be interested in gaining any knowledge or certifications that might help me to profit from this upcoming paradigm shift.

I do. Let me know what questions you have.

(03-04-2017 06:47 AM)Fury Wrote:  I forgot to mention that I appreciate the sage advice of WIA (especially with the Cape Verde girl), you definitely put things in perspective and always provide great insight on the core principles of game. Thanks for helping me pull my head out of my ass.

Glad I could be of help. Nice to know that folks are using the advice and not just giving me likes. Lot of what I know/think comes from taking the wrong path.

"During my research I have realized that big data/IT is the way of the future, not only for individuals but also for Multinational enterprises."

What's the individual angle?

Do i need to cop this GPU for my desktop.

Bout to wrap up a certification of completion from a part time Data Science class - and I have ideas on how it could make my life better - I'm not sure how individuals are using it to stack $

WIA

(03-04-2017 08:31 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 04:39 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Girls
- Dr
- Colombia
- Mexico

Food
- Mexico
- Dr
- Colombia

Stuff to see
- Mexico

Cost?
American bonus?

The datasheets don't do much for my particular interests

WIA

Archie, besides lizards and food, what are your other interests specifically when travelling.? I can only speak of DR but the country has some nice sights to see. You can drive to other cities and view other things. The food seems to be plantain, rice and then a variety of other things that I can't remember. You can get seafood as well if you wish. To be very frank, I have been spoiled in regards to the Caribbean food. I still rank Jamaican and Trinidad cuisine as top. I have eaten in both countries and I was like, damn (in a good way). DR food isn't bad overall and I cannot speak for Mexico or Colombia.

I've had DR food before. I like mofongo and lechon - but it's not much I couldn't already get in the Bronx/Washington Heights

Overall, I'm a city guy - so it's gonna be architecture, food, how people dress and interact. I'm not really one of them Mountain Hiking, sit by the beach, fishing and hunting, surfing type dudes. I'd see if I can find me some Abuela and have her teach me how to make the best arepas/tortillas and whatever they make in DR.

WIA

I did! Very inspiring, but not particularly informative on how I can engineer such a strategy for myself. Like, I'm specifically looking for a some sort of "ten step process" to start promoter game.

Not sure why I saved this on my computer

WIA

@Moma-Whenever this topic comes up, I always explain that my parents are from in Haiti at the same time.

People ask me often enough about where I am from that I just tack it on as a habit now. I guess because Im not as easily categorizable as other black men. Idk.

I think there is a sense of mutual understanding. Almost like they are thinking, "oh, so he's not one of them" or "oh, so he's a bit different. Cool" or "oh, hes from a poor country too!" Lol

Not that I agree all the time, but you know how group-think oriented girls can be sometimes.

Its the same reason why I shove my Thailand experiences down the throats of Asian women 5 milliseconds after i introduce myself haha

I still need to do more experimenting.

(03-04-2017 11:04 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  I did! Very inspiring, but not particularly informative on how I can engineer such a strategy for myself. Like, I'm specifically looking for a some sort of "ten step process" to start promoter game.

He used to have a blog and sell a product at 10lifestyle.com. He also used to be an active poster here and on RSDNation.

You'll be able to piece together some of his knowledge by using archive.org on his blog and by searching the two forums.

I'd try getting in contact with him first though. Maybe he still checks one of his accounts.

(03-04-2017 05:17 AM)Fury Wrote:  Had a real fun night, have to admit she kind of wore me out since she was fucking insatiable. I have a consultancy project due this Sunday so I had to kick her out early in the morning and she was perturbed that I didn't make her breakfast. For her, it is traditional or hospitable to make breakfast when one sleeps over so she expects that done for her. In my couple years in the Netherlands I have not had breakfast made for me or have made breakfast for anyone that has stayed over (usually I just offer tea and fruits).

This is crazy, women have lost the plot these days.

I have had a few girls ask me if I can cook, obviously they can't. I make them feel bad for not being able to cook.

I recall only a handful of times, that a woman has made me breakfast the morning after.

(03-02-2017 08:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  @Stacksgman - I think you need to read more of this thread.

Your eagerness is very apparent, the ladies are sensing it and treating you accordingly.

Not sure why you would bring up the subject of race, I certainly don't when out with a white girl.

It will probably take me a while to read this whole thread, but I will do so because I'm sure it will go a long way. When I first learned about game all I did was read and not approach. For a while now I have just been approaching and going on dates without breaking down what's going on in detail.

I totally agree about the eagerness, but I should mention that those three examples were pretty old. In the past half a year or so I've really tried to just play it cool and not eager/aggressive. Despite that I'm still running into what I see as the same problem. I went out last Friday with a girl that we can classify as African-American (I don't want to break down the details of her background). I wasn't eager for sex at all, and we were together for over 4.5 hours on our first date. At first she seemed a little nervous, but by the end she was laughing at every single joke I would make even when they weren't funny. We talked about catching the movie Get Out. She was down. Then slowly through the course of the week she started responding less and less until yesterday when she said she will just wait until she can rent the movie, and it just came out....

I know I am consistently doing something wrong on these dates, but I'm experimenting with different styles and nothing seems to work. For some reason I have only ever had sex with women either when I first meet them, after the first date, or at the latest the second time is just straight to sex no date. Not that I've wanted to, but I've never been able to go up to or past three dates.

Also, about bringing up race, it is never me. The only way I bring up race is to say I'm physically attracted to black women. After I get them on a date they are the ones that bring up race, and it's usually one of a few things that I've heard over and over:

1. Black women are viewed as sex objects by men (of races other than Black).
2. It is hard to get ahead in the corporate world as a Black woman.
3. Black men are this or that

I don't know how to deal with the situation other than to go along with the discussion, but again, it isn't me that brings it up.

(03-02-2017 10:27 PM)Moma Wrote:  StackGsMan, you and I are similar because although I am not Arab, I am foreign and African American lizards hear my voice and think coconut or something else. This being said, our strategies and experiences will be somewhat similar.

Ignore the fraff that the black American lizard says to you. The rape stuff, I have heard it before from one..she kept hinting that she hopes I won't try anything, I ignored it and kept re-iterating that I have British films to watch. Back at mine, I sucked heavily on her big tits and got sloppy toppy. You can probe and find out what she likes or something. Maybe pretend that you can role play with her and promise to dress her in the sheik robes. I know it sounds stereotypical but often this is what intrigues the lizards.

For example, when one of my lizards found out I was African, she was so thrilled by this, she told all her friends etc. I put on one of my traditional outfits one day and ordered her around and then ramrodded her from the back, shouting at her with my African accent. I told her I would share her amongst my younger male villagers and this aroused her immensely.
It's touch and go because sometimes the black lizards can take offense to the most odd things. Laugh a lot, I don't know if you are witty but if you keep running jokes and don't take her blatherings seriously, that's the best light you can approach your situation in.

Keep us posted, we share ships, podna!

Awesome insight, thanks! I'll try out what you said, I'll play around with the whole being Middle Eastern thing more. The only thing I will say is that being Middle Eastern (and going after women that are not) is really shit, at least at the moment. I know every race has their own troubles ad stereotypes to fight, Black guys have plenty as has been discussed in this thread, Asian guys are almost universally not appealing to women, etc.

But when I meet up with a lot of women, especially those that haven't made an effort to learn about other cultures, there is always an undercurrent of negativity towards Middle Eastern guys.

- We beat women
- We try to control women
- We are selfish lovers
- On and on

As a Black guy at least you have the whole being a sexual object thing going if you just want to get laid like I do ("I want to be with a Black guy at least once"). Even as an Asian guy girls might think well at least he is smart and family oriented.

I'm not bringing this up merely to complain because I'm a grown man and life isn't fair, but what I'm trying to get at is I don't think as a Middle Easterner there are any positive stereotypes that I can use in the romantic market. I would avoid all talk of my race, but I'm too proud and unwilling to hide who I am.

(03-04-2017 12:21 PM)WalkingMan Wrote:  @Moma-Whenever this topic comes up, I always explain that my parents are from in Haiti at the same time.

People ask me often enough about where I am from that I just tack it on as a habit now. I guess because Im not as easily categorizable as other black men. Idk.

I think there is a sense of mutual understanding. Almost like they are thinking, "oh, so he's not one of them" or "oh, so he's a bit different. Cool" or "oh, hes from a poor country too!" Lol

Not that I agree all the time, but you know how group-think oriented girls can be sometimes.

Its the same reason why I shove my Thailand experiences down the throats of Asian women 5 milliseconds after i introduce myself haha

I still need to do more experimenting.

Stick with Haitian, that seems to work. I am doing a show now, I will either explain this on the show or write up my experiences afterwards.

(03-04-2017 10:54 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 06:47 AM)Fury Wrote:  I forgot to mention that I appreciate the sage advice of WIA (especially with the Cape Verde girl), you definitely put things in perspective and always provide great insight on the core principles of game. Thanks for helping me pull my head out of my ass.

Glad I could be of help. Nice to know that folks are using the advice and not just giving me likes. Lot of what I know/think comes from taking the wrong path.

"During my research I have realized that big data/IT is the way of the future, not only for individuals but also for Multinational enterprises."

What's the individual angle?

Do i need to cop this GPU for my desktop.

Bout to wrap up a certification of completion from a part time Data Science class - and I have ideas on how it could make my life better - I'm not sure how individuals are using it to stack $

WIA

As far as big data, I read that the new expected trend is to humanize big data. In the context of supply chain management, humanizing big data allows Logistics companies to provide max visibility and efficiency to the supply chain process; creating a value proposition that sets it apart from its competitors. When I mentioned the 'individual' level, I was referring to gaining the know-how to actually create these interfaces that incorporate the vast information provided by big data. Sean Donovan, a Senior Consultant with Qlik Consulting, leveraged this 'individual angle' perfectly by using his in-depth skillset to actually create a platform for a client (http://global.qlik.com/dk/blog/posts/mar...big-data).

If individuals could learn the necessary skills/gain the tools for humanizing big data, that would be such a valuable asset for large companies. If I knew how, I would gain the knowledge and be a consultant for these large corporations looking to modernize their business model. The company (Global supply chain management) I am now consulting with for my university project is looking for digital innovations and if I could "humanize big data", I would create a platform and charge them an arm and a leg to license it.

Unfortunately, I don't have much technical expertise so that is just a pipe dream. However, after my Bachelor's, and before/during my MBA, I will look into getting big data, cloud-based services to broaden my skillset.

(03-04-2017 01:08 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 08:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  @Stacksgman - I think you need to read more of this thread.

Your eagerness is very apparent, the ladies are sensing it and treating you accordingly.

Not sure why you would bring up the subject of race, I certainly don't when out with a white girl.

It will probably take me a while to read this whole thread, but I will do so because I'm sure it will go a long way. When I first learned about game all I did was read and not approach. For a while now I have just been approaching and going on dates without breaking down what's going on in detail.

I totally agree about the eagerness, but I should mention that those three examples were pretty old. In the past half a year or so I've really tried to just play it cool and not eager/aggressive. Despite that I'm still running into what I see as the same problem. I went out last Friday with a girl that we can classify as African-American (I don't want to break down the details of her background). I wasn't eager for sex at all, and we were together for over 4.5 hours on our first date. At first she seemed a little nervous, but by the end she was laughing at every single joke I would make even when they weren't funny. We talked about catching the movie Get Out. She was down. Then slowly through the course of the week she started responding less and less until yesterday when she said she will just wait until she can rent the movie, and it just came out....

I know I am consistently doing something wrong on these dates, but I'm experimenting with different styles and nothing seems to work. For some reason I have only ever had sex with women either when I first meet them, after the first date, or at the latest the second time is just straight to sex no date. Not that I've wanted to, but I've never been able to go up to or past three dates.

Also, about bringing up race, it is never me. The only way I bring up race is to say I'm physically attracted to black women. After I get them on a date they are the ones that bring up race, and it's usually one of a few things that I've heard over and over:

1. Black women are viewed as sex objects by men (of races other than Black).
2. It is hard to get ahead in the corporate world as a Black woman.
3. Black men are this or that

I don't know how to deal with the situation other than to go along with the discussion, but again, it isn't me that brings it up.

(03-02-2017 10:27 PM)Moma Wrote:  StackGsMan, you and I are similar because although I am not Arab, I am foreign and African American lizards hear my voice and think coconut or something else. This being said, our strategies and experiences will be somewhat similar.

Ignore the fraff that the black American lizard says to you. The rape stuff, I have heard it before from one..she kept hinting that she hopes I won't try anything, I ignored it and kept re-iterating that I have British films to watch. Back at mine, I sucked heavily on her big tits and got sloppy toppy. You can probe and find out what she likes or something. Maybe pretend that you can role play with her and promise to dress her in the sheik robes. I know it sounds stereotypical but often this is what intrigues the lizards.

For example, when one of my lizards found out I was African, she was so thrilled by this, she told all her friends etc. I put on one of my traditional outfits one day and ordered her around and then ramrodded her from the back, shouting at her with my African accent. I told her I would share her amongst my younger male villagers and this aroused her immensely.
It's touch and go because sometimes the black lizards can take offense to the most odd things. Laugh a lot, I don't know if you are witty but if you keep running jokes and don't take her blatherings seriously, that's the best light you can approach your situation in.

Keep us posted, we share ships, podna!

Awesome insight, thanks! I'll try out what you said, I'll play around with the whole being Middle Eastern thing more. The only thing I will say is that being Middle Eastern (and going after women that are not) is really shit, at least at the moment. I know every race has their own troubles ad stereotypes to fight, Black guys have plenty as has been discussed in this thread, Asian guys are almost universally not appealing to women, etc.

But when I meet up with a lot of women, especially those that haven't made an effort to learn about other cultures, there is always an undercurrent of negativity towards Middle Eastern guys.

- We beat women
- We try to control women
- We are selfish lovers
- On and on

As a Black guy at least you have the whole being a sexual object thing going if you just want to get laid like I do ("I want to be with a Black guy at least once"). Even as an Asian guy girls might think well at least he is smart and family oriented.

I'm not bringing this up merely to complain because I'm a grown man and life isn't fair, but what I'm trying to get at is I don't think as a Middle Easterner there are any positive stereotypes that I can use in the romantic market. I would avoid all talk of my race, but I'm too proud and unwilling to hide who I am.

The good thing is that you are able to get dates.

As you stated something is going wrong on the dates.

What do you think these girls want from you? Have you asked them.

The part about sex objects, corporate world and how black men treat them sounds like a shit test.

Maybe you need to read a few of Roosh's books about going on date, I believe BANG and Day BANG cover that.

You got to love this, black guys giving non black guys advice on how to date black girls.

When non-American blacks ask me where I'm really from I just say "America" because it's true. They can usually look at me and accept it. I don't really have any African swagger about me, so I wouldn't dare try and claim some place on the continent as my own. It just wouldn't be right.

I could say Puerto Rico but that's only 25% of the story. The majority of it is a murky mix of southern black, white and a smattering Asian.

I'd just go with America, especially if you look like an American black and are from America. They usually get it and are cool about it.