(02-28-2017 07:08 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 06:53 PM)Moma Wrote:  iso, that is a great analogy! I know guys who used to clock street fighter 2 with 20p (one credit)!! I know guys that shoved 20 pounds in but couldn't get past Blanka!!

Lupe Fiasco couldn't get past Blanka either.

"I love Street Fighter 2, I just really hate Zangief
Only Ken and Ryu, I find it hard to beat Blanka"

https://genius.com/Lupe-fiasco-gold-watch-lyrics

Low key one of Lupe's best songs

(03-01-2017 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Best return on dollars
1) 9 pm date for drinks very close to your apartment + game
2) Continue drinks/Naija treats and conversation at your spot.
3) *grey goose bottle filled with cheap alcohol*
*box of wine*
4)I'll just drop you off in the morning
5) No pants rule for sleeping in my bed

WIA

#1 is everything. I can't remember where I read it but it was along the lines of if she agrees to a weekday date after 9 sex is on the table. Lucky for me I don't get off work till 830 so I have plausible deniability on only being able to date after 9.

#3 We used to do this in college at house parties lol.

(03-01-2017 03:45 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  For you guys with a physique,
1) shoes off at the door

2) soon after you walk in, take your shirt off, with her in view like it's totally normal, walk over to closet, let her watch you put on a t-shirt.

"You don't mind do you, this starch is killing me"

3) continue to run game with heightened sexuality but lowered formality

WIA

Subconscious warfare, love it

(03-01-2017 06:25 PM)Moma Wrote:  Archie, what if the lizard says "I don't think it's a good idea to go back to your place so soon?"

Give me some rebuttals to say. I generally stack dates and then hit the club after the date so I don't let the lizard throw me off my routine. A friend of mine used to say "Let Fridays and Saturdays be hunt nights, do the dating during the other days."

I didn't even know girls can say that lol. To me the plausible inability isn't strong enough. Thats why my typical "get them back" line is food related every time: pizza, cake, ice cream. Any and everything that is a fat chicks food that they know they shouldn't be eating but the eat I use.

Word on friday, sat, and sunday. they're our most valuable days, our "me days". Having a date where you know your going to fuck is nice on a saturday but "aint no pussy like new pussy I'm trying to get them draws"

(03-01-2017 09:28 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Moma, you need to give her a reason to want to keep hanging out with you.

However

The way to handle it, is in giving her plausible deniability to hang out more.
- one more drink
- I'm gonna have to much you out
- I got work in the morning

She has to think it's just gonna be some innocent fun, only a little bit of mischief. Well one thing leads to another...

My thoughts exactly

Quote:Now if she still balks, I walk.

"That's cool, lemme see you to the train. Walk you to your car. Or I'll wait with you for your uber."

Thats quality dread game. Ive had a few balk back at the idea of me insinuating they need to get lost. Its like a better version of a freeze out. Women can't handle that rejection when things are getting sexual...But I guess I should also say that I've only used this move when the LMR isn't worth me feeling like I'm about to rape them trying to plow through the LMR.

0) Game

You knew that was coming though.

So all you Scrooge McDuck's what is the spring looking like for y'all?

I've been putting off this Latin America trip for 18 months. But I have to use my ticket in the next two months.

Mexico City, Colombia, DR for like ten days.
Airfare is covered, what's the best option for these three. I'm leaning towards Mexico, but Colombia is calling me too.

WIA

WIA

You can't go wrong with any of the three.

It all comes down to what you are looking for personally.

Which has the most attractive women to you?

What kind of activities are you looking to do sightseeing, beach, hiking? Or are you cool just posting up in a city?

Also "Colombia" is vague. Its a big country and i've found every city to have a unique vibe. A little more detail and I can calibrate my answer.

Girls
- Dr
- Colombia
- Mexico

Food
- Mexico
- Dr
- Colombia

Stuff to see
- Mexico

Cost?
American bonus?

The datasheets don't do much for my particular interests

WIA

https://heartiste.wordpress.com - his latest article quotes this...

"Black men honestly will fuck anything, and that simply doesn’t apply to nonblacks to the same degree."

I think a lot of people believe this, thoughts?

@Archie - Colombia for the win.

Very popular with the forum crowd, curious as to get your take and a trip report.

Cali, Colombia seems like an interesting place.

^^ Typical alt-right, nationalist, low-key YT supremacist rhetoric. If they had the opportunity to fuck half the bishes that crave this BBC they'd jump at the chance.

I think I could swing Addis Ababa though. Habeshas on game discount?!!!?

WIA

So I've been reading this thread consistently for the past few months now because it contains a lot of great insights, but I haven't posted in it because I am not Black and didn't want to take it off course. I am middle eastern, and light skinned at that, but I grew up in and currently live in a predominantly Black and Latino part of a major Southern city, Houston.

I've put on a lot of weight over the past couple of years, and I've noticed that my success with Asian and White women has plummeted. Lucky for me I am attracted to all races, and Black and Latin women don't seem to mind nearly as much.

Specifically with regards to Black women I would appreciate any input that would help me get further as a non-Black male. I have much less trouble with Africans and West Indians, but when it comes to African-American women I am able to get a date or two but things generally break down quickly.

I feel like they are waiting for me to say one wrong thing so they can next me, and I feel a racial undertone to everything, but not in a fun way like with many foreign women (including foreign Black women).

As Black men, can you give me some advice (and excuse me for derailing the focus of the thread).

(03-02-2017 05:58 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I think I could swing Addis Ababa though. Habeshas on game discount?!!!?

WIA

I would LOVE to hit up Habesha hub. I am weak for those type of onions, I feel to cry..

(03-02-2017 06:08 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  So I've been reading this thread consistently for the past few months now because it contains a lot of great insights, but I haven't posted in it because I am not Black and didn't want to take it off course. I am middle eastern, and light skinned at that, but I grew up in and currently live in a predominantly Black and Latino part of a major Southern city, Houston.

I've put on a lot of weight over the past couple of years, and I've noticed that my success with Asian and White women has plummeted. Lucky for me I am attracted to all races, and Black and Latin women don't seem to mind nearly as much.

Specifically with regards to Black women I would appreciate any input that would help me get further as a non-Black male. I have much less trouble with Africans and West Indians, but when it comes to African-American women I am able to get a date or two but things generally break down quickly.

I feel like they are waiting for me to say one wrong thing so they can next me, and I feel a racial undertone to everything, but not in a fun way like with many foreign women (including foreign Black women).

As Black men, can you give me some advice (and excuse me for derailing the focus of the thread).

I am in for the black girl game! Good question.

For a guy so interested in the science behind male- female relationships. It makes no sense to all of a sudden seperate the behaviors dictated by science , by skin hue. That, by default would go against the same "science" he touts as truth

(03-02-2017 06:22 PM)Sketness Wrote:  For a guy so interested in the science behind male- female relationships. It makes no sense to all of a sudden seperate the behaviors dictated by science , by skin hue. That by default, would go against the same "science" he touts as truth

Not sure if this was directed at me or not. I agree there are certain qualities and behaviors that are universal to all women, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a guy that has a decent amount of experience with different women that doesn't appreciate how culture and history affects many women and who/how they end up with a guy.

(03-02-2017 06:08 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  So I've been reading this thread consistently for the past few months now because it contains a lot of great insights, but I haven't posted in it because I am not Black and didn't want to take it off course. I am middle eastern, and light skinned at that, but I grew up in and currently live in a predominantly Black and Latino part of a major Southern city, Houston.

I've put on a lot of weight over the past couple of years, and I've noticed that my success with Asian and White women has plummeted. Lucky for me I am attracted to all races, and Black and Latin women don't seem to mind nearly as much.

Specifically with regards to Black women I would appreciate any input that would help me get further as a non-Black male. I have much less trouble with Africans and West Indians, but when it comes to African-American women I am able to get a date or two but things generally break down quickly.

I feel like they are waiting for me to say one wrong thing so they can next me, and I feel a racial undertone to everything, but not in a fun way like with many foreign women (including foreign Black women).

As Black men, can you give me some advice (and excuse me for derailing the focus of the thread).

Hillcroft in the House, lol.

You'll need to tell us more about the dates you're having, and how the interactions go. The fact that you can get a date means that you're generating enough physical/sexual attraction - but something fails with your behavior during the interactions.

WIA

I agree completely. I think that a guy like heartiste has overall good content, but I think that his views on race oftentimes, discredits and negates his good content. At the end of the day we all are humans that react to certain environmental pressures, and not all of us are going to react the same.

(03-02-2017 06:42 PM)Sketness Wrote:  I agree completely. I think that a guy like heartiste has overall good content,

I don't.
His jerkboy asshole dark triad shit has been old since he was spitting it in 2008.
And when he got doxxed, he further retreated into that style.

WIA

(03-02-2017 06:33 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 06:08 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  So I've been reading this thread consistently for the past few months now because it contains a lot of great insights, but I haven't posted in it because I am not Black and didn't want to take it off course. I am middle eastern, and light skinned at that, but I grew up in and currently live in a predominantly Black and Latino part of a major Southern city, Houston.

I've put on a lot of weight over the past couple of years, and I've noticed that my success with Asian and White women has plummeted. Lucky for me I am attracted to all races, and Black and Latin women don't seem to mind nearly as much.

Specifically with regards to Black women I would appreciate any input that would help me get further as a non-Black male. I have much less trouble with Africans and West Indians, but when it comes to African-American women I am able to get a date or two but things generally break down quickly.

I feel like they are waiting for me to say one wrong thing so they can next me, and I feel a racial undertone to everything, but not in a fun way like with many foreign women (including foreign Black women).

As Black men, can you give me some advice (and excuse me for derailing the focus of the thread).

Hillcroft in the House, lol.

You'll need to tell us more about the dates you're having, and how the interactions go. The fact that you can get a date means that you're generating enough physical/sexual attraction - but something fails with your behavior during the interactions.

WIA

Lol @ Hillcroft. I was just there yesterday to pick up some food. Tried to get a hot Indian chicks number too but she told me she was in a rush about 4 times.

Most of my dates and numbers over the past year or so have been with Black women, so I guess I'll just hit what I think is the general nature of what happened for the sake of brevity.

African-American 30's with two kids. We meet at a place with hookah and a full bar. I was generally quiet for the majority of the night, which was brief at probably an hour or two, and I mainly listened. At one point she mentions Black men and how they "have a hustle mindset". She got into the whole trap culture, and I mentioned how it isn't exclusive to any race to be involved in crime. Also, she wasn't saying it in a negative way, it was more being proud of it. I've found that a lot of African-American women that I go out with buy into the hip-hop depiction of what is going on, and I truly believe it is just a show. I don't know if it is because this is a general trend or if it has to do with where I live in particular, which is on the lower end of the economic spectrum (some poor, but more bottom of the middle class). She mentioned something about the place we were at being a "shack", even though I spent over $40 on a few drinks and a hookah that night and it was on the better side of town. She came way over dressed (full on night time dress), and mentioned it when I went out to the parking lot to meet her. I don't recall touching her much if at all, and at the end of the night in the parking lot I asked for a hug, which she very quickly gave me and backed away and said, "X, what are you wearing?" I took it at the time to mean she was asking about my cologne, but in hind sight I think she meant my clothes were lacking. We texted back and forth after that and I couldn't get her to commit to see me again, and she started responding less frequently. She did however send me some pics of herself and one with her only wearing a g-string. A month later I finally got her out again on her side of town. She showed up and we got to talking. Apparently she had an ex that she was still fucking, so I tried to go with the angle of seeming like a better option. After that night, which was also brief, she never responded to me again.

African-American 30's. Met her at the gym, got her number, and we set up a date to drink wine. She showed up and did a lot of the talking, but I was a lot more involved in the conversation. No mention of race, which I've found is very rare when I go out with African-American women (much less the case with Africans though). We kissed at the venue, which she said needs to be on the show bar rescue (which I took to mean she didn't like). I walked her to her car and we did a little more kissing, then she drove me to my car. A day or two later she stopped responding to my texts.

African-American 21. She grew up in my school district. We went out for a hookah and drinks. Everything seemed to be going well and we both seemed to enjoy ourselves. I picked her up because her car had apparently gotten into an accident, and when I dropped her off I went for the kiss. She was really hesitant, but she did kiss me as if to say, "fine, I'll do it". She also mentioned, "white people don't have lips." The next time we met she asked me to help her with her homework. I felt like a chump, but said ok, but you have to get me a drink after. We met at a Starbucks and got the homework done, but when we went to a bar across the street things broke down. Prior to picking her up I mentioned that we should get a hotel (I don't have my own place and she didn't want me over at hers). She said something to the effect of "but I don't even want you" a couple of times. At the bar she said the waitress had an attitude and she acted like she wanted to argue with her. As we stepped out she said something like, "if you try to rape me I have my friend on speed dial." That really got on my nerves because I'm the furthest thing from a rapist, and I let her know I was offended. When we got to her place she said wanted to kiss me good night, but I wasn't feeling it. I knew it was over at this point mainly, and we ended up getting into an argument by text and saying our goodbyes.

There are more instances, but I'll leave it at that for now. Hopefully I focused on the right things that can help show where I fucked up.

I see your point. Some of his concepts are defiantly outdated, though I think that if you can sift through his race horseshit,there are good game techniques you can pick up( like: the sixteen commandments of poon). Other than that your right his writing is terrible

(03-01-2017 06:25 PM)Moma Wrote:  Archie, what if the lizard says "I don't think it's a good idea to go back to your place so soon?"

Give me some rebuttals to say. I generally stack dates and then hit the club after the date so I don't let the lizard throw me off my routine. A friend of mine used to say "Let Fridays and Saturdays be hunt nights, do the dating during the other days."

Personally if the lizard puts up too much resistance, I just shut it down and move on. Am I ejecting too prematurely? I have little tolerance for nonsense but I am wondering if I can fine tune to that actual perfect medium.

It sounds like she's wasn't really ready to go back to your place by herself...women tend to be far more concerned about their safety then men.

If she had said something like "I'm not that kind of girl wink wink" then you
have something to work with...however if she's worried about getting into a
violent situation alone in someone's apartment then that's a legitimate
concern.

haha I'm not sure I'd even want to go home with someone in America on a
first date...let me run a police background check first...let's take a look at that
license plate...and see what's in her trunk....

I'd say that was more concern talking rather than real resistance...which is
easy...you just give her more time to feel comfortable...assuming she's worth
it...I'm willing to give a 9/10 a little more time...

The bigger question is: was your meeting supposed to be a date or a hookup?

What was your pregame like? If you have the opportunity for a good pregame
and you determine that your girl is ready to go then you're essentially meeting to hookup.
She knows it and you know it.

However if you didn't get time for a good pregame, i.e. talking on the phone,
feeling her out etc...then you really don't know what to expect...and your
meeting then becomes a formal "date" and you have to spend time and effort
building up that playful tension and sexual energy.

And sometimes that can feel like you're rolling through the pedestrian neighborhood with your 5 Series at 20 Mph
just to get to the onramp and finally hit the expressway so you can start cruising at 60 in the fast lane...

"At black men will fuck anything"

The uncomfortable truth: Yes, sometimes.

I'm not saying it's men in this thread and these guys but those fat white chicks are DEFINITELY getting piped by black dudes or they wouldn't fucking bother us. I cannot tell you how many fat-ass white chicks then they have a shot with me simply because i'm the only black guy in a room.

I've had white girls in china come at me with shit like,

"you're a black man at a party. I know why you're here."

"excuse me, bitch."



They did not just learn that lame shit on TV. I've personally known black dudes who will fuck whatever comes their way. It's nasty and disgraceful and it perpetuates that stereotype that we fuck any old thing.

@Stacksgman - I think you need to read more of this thread.

Your eagerness is very apparent, the ladies are sensing it and treating you accordingly.

Not sure why you would bring up the subject of race, I certainly don't when out with a white girl.

(03-02-2017 05:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  https://heartiste.wordpress.com - his latest article quotes this...

"Black men honestly will fuck anything, and that simply doesn’t apply to nonblacks to the same degree."

I think a lot of people believe this, thoughts?

We fall victim to two issues of not having consistent standards, while the drop of higher T can make black men act out more on thirst.

It hurts us in avenues which as online dating where a black man only gets traction with the worst of the bottom feeder bitches like single moms and fatties. Why do those types always seem be down with the chocolate? It isn't rocket science... that for all of us on here who maintain some standards there is double the amount of us in the field that will fall back and stick it in those carp women described above.

This is something I have made a personal crusade. No fat bitches and no single moms. I won't entertain it. I won't contribute to their fetish of black men.

Circluing back to heartise though the reality is that all dudes can slip up when horny. I've seen it in those swinfer clubs far to many times. Heartise head would explode the amount of times I see where dudes pounce on black girls for example. Or see hordes of dudes go after substandard and fat women. The drawback of those places is that it attracts a ton of low quality women who know they can get it in with dudes above the station. So you get dudes of all shades going beast on all these weak broads trying to smash. When I'm in that environment I play the long game of waiting it out for a hottie to stroll through a s focus my energy on that. Sometimes I just end up with drinks at the end of the night as nothing walks in that meets my standards but I at least keep my pride.

A big leap forward would be for brothers to leave those bottom level women alone. The day I never see fat white girls walking with black dudes after the bar will make me a happy man, that is progressing in the social dynamics game if you ask me.

StackGsMan, you and I are similar because although I am not Arab, I am foreign and African American lizards hear my voice and think coconut or something else. This being said, our strategies and experiences will be somewhat similar.

Ignore the fraff that the black American lizard says to you. The rape stuff, I have heard it before from one..she kept hinting that she hopes I won't try anything, I ignored it and kept re-iterating that I have British films to watch. Back at mine, I sucked heavily on her big tits and got sloppy toppy. You can probe and find out what she likes or something. Maybe pretend that you can role play with her and promise to dress her in the sheik robes. I know it sounds stereotypical but often this is what intrigues the lizards.

For example, when one of my lizards found out I was African, she was so thrilled by this, she told all her friends etc. I put on one of my traditional outfits one day and ordered her around and then ramrodded her from the back, shouting at her with my African accent. I told her I would share her amongst my younger male villagers and this aroused her immensely.
It's touch and go because sometimes the black lizards can take offense to the most odd things. Laugh a lot, I don't know if you are witty but if you keep running jokes and don't take her blatherings seriously, that's the best light you can approach your situation in.

Keep us posted, we share ships, podna!

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 03:37 PM)Moma Wrote:  Excelsior, what is your strategy? Are you out for lays or LTR? Either or, how do you set out to accomplish this? Give me some of your overt strategies, please.

@Excelsior - I would love to hear your new strategies and what you have found works for you!

I preference social circle and online game while simultaneously working to locate and place myself in closer proximity to women who are foreign-born, foreign-raised, or both. Because nearly all of my success has come from women who are in that non-American born/raised category, my recent efforts have focused on re-orienting my efforts in social circle, online, and night game to yield more opportunities to get in touch with such women (and to decrease the percentage of women I come across who are of the american born/raised "long island girl" type we've already mentioned in this thread, since I do not think the effort is worth it).

I've enjoyed the results, but my current location (which isn't the largest of destinations for said women) doesn't offer the best potential for this. I'll be relocating in a few months to a much more suitable location.

My approach is casual - this is a recent change, as up to a few years ago (read: college) I was strictly LTR focused (asking for early dinner dates and all that). As of now, I'm not opposed to LTR's, but not going out of my way to start them either.

My long term strategy is accumulation (of wealth) and expatriation (to warmer destinations on an at least semi-permanent basis). That's at least a 20 year time scale, however. In the shorter term, my energies are devoted to furthering that plan (read: getting the financial and professional house in order), improving myself (style enhancement and continued physique-maintenance/enhancement) and making the best of the domestic dating situation (which the strategies outlined above, supplemented by periodic travel, are intended to do).

That's it.

Quote:As was pointed out, it seems I have beat my chest a bit too much about Europe.

I don't think you did. Actually, just about everything you said seems pretty accurate to me based on what I'm reading/hearing from other reputable sources (this is including the rather extensive thread over in the travel forum, which I have read in its entirety).

To each their own, though.

Quote:My game is at a decent level, I was able to bag a hardcore ivy league feminist last summer. She was beyond annoying and even had the nerve to say to me "she doesn't see a lot of attractive black men".

Also I come from a sales background, so my pipeline is very decent at the moment. I cannot complain, as the phrase goes ABC (always be closing), don't take these chicks serious and I am doing them a favour.

If our reward in a given locale for working to get our game up to a high level is the chance to bag annoying, subtly-racist hardcore ivy league feminists who low-key look down on us (a type of woman I'm exceedingly familiar with, btw), then I don't know if I can say much good about that locale. That seems like a pretty poor ROI.

But that's just me. Again, to each their own.

(03-02-2017 05:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  https://heartiste.wordpress.com - his latest article quotes this...

"Black men honestly will fuck anything, and that simply doesn’t apply to nonblacks to the same degree."

I think a lot of people believe this, thoughts?

Men at the bottom of the socio-economic hierarchy tend to spend the most time with women who are of lower physical quality.

Black men are at the bottom of the socio-economic hierarchy.

That's it. It isn't that complicated.

Black men don't inherently prefer women with NFL-linebacker weight and huge guts or AARP cards, but most are in the kind of socio-economic position where if they do not open their minds to regularly getting with said women, they will endure very long dry spells. Furthermore, the stigma attached to them by society as a result of their socio-economic position (a stigma which has always been enforced in American history by a society that hasn't really been to keen to see many, if any, black men rise above said position) makes it tougher for them to attract higher quality women because many said women are aware of the stigma and need to be hit with much higher quality game in order to get over it in their heads. Rudebwoy's post here is illustrative:

(07-21-2016 07:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I find no matter how liberal a American girl is, there is too much "history" and bad propaganda against blacks for her to look past.

Dating European girls tends to be easier, they will generally see you as a black guy from the UK or Africa or America.

That inability to look past the "history" and "propaganda" is relevant here, because it creates an uphill battle for black men to fight. All women care about how they are seen and perceived, and being with a black male, because of said history and propaganda (as well as stereotypes associated with the fact that black males in the USA do tend to be at the low end of the socio-economic totem pole), is viewed as a way to be seen and perceived negatively. This makes it harder for black men to get with said women (again, tighter game required). Lower quality women with fewer options and less to lose are more open because they have fewer options and less to lose (these are the fat women who only date black men). The fact that black women themselves tend to be larger than everyone else only further darkens matters by making it even more difficult for a black male to find consistent success with a woman who isn't a linebacker.

This is also why it often appears to us that black men are getting higher quality abroad. The history, propaganda, and stereotypes are weaker in many parts of the world, which removes some of the constraints black men have here (they need not merely accept anything in order to get consistent success, but can seek some of the same quality reserved for other men back home).

To sum it all up: black men settle for less because they are at once 1) perceived by society to be less (as has always been the case in the USA) and 2) actually in a position where obtaining more is difficult (as I noted before, attractive women are expensive).