Archie, what if the lizard says "I don't think it's a good idea to go back to your place so soon?"

Give me some rebuttals to say. I generally stack dates and then hit the club after the date so I don't let the lizard throw me off my routine. A friend of mine used to say "Let Fridays and Saturdays be hunt nights, do the dating during the other days."

Personally if the lizard puts up too much resistance, I just shut it down and move on. Am I ejecting too prematurely? I have little tolerance for nonsense but I am wondering if I can fine tune to that actual perfect medium.

(03-01-2017 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  3) *grey goose bottle filled with cheap alcohol*

The best bet with this strategy is to get some French wine and tell the girl its some expensive wine you imported directly from France. Then fill it up with cheap wine. Girls love wine. And girls think that France is known for the best wine.

@Moma, you need to give her a reason to want to keep hanging out with you.

If a chick says that to me, means I didn't hook her hard enough during the date. So for the next date, I'm going to wonder did I push her away from me enough? Did I disqualify her enough? Because if she's not eating the convo up, that might be a girl that will bang, but not the kind of girl I want to deal with. I'm typically surprised when they're not feeling me that deep into it. I talk about stuff that puts her on the emotional roller coaster. My conversational formula leans heavy on imagery.



However

The way to handle it, is in giving her plausible deniability to hang out more.
- one more drink
- I'm gonna have to much you out
- I got work in the morning

She has to think it's just gonna be some innocent fun, only a little bit of mischief. Well one thing leads to another...

Now if she still balks, I walk.

"That's cool, lemme see you to the train. Walk you to your car. Or I'll wait with you for your uber."

Where am I?
What time is it?

Close to my spot with still time to hit another spot.

I don't press a chick that's not with it, and pick up the bang on a later date. Some chicks need another date or two, to not feel like a slut.

However, I don't waste time either.

My days of
- This chick ain't return my text
- She's not calling me back
- what does she mean by this
Etc

Are done.

I got the chick vetted before I even darken her door step.

What's your bang funnel? Your system?

WIA

(03-01-2017 03:45 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  For you guys with a physique,
1) shoes off at the door

2) soon after you walk in, take your shirt off, with her in view like it's totally normal, walk over to closet, let her watch you put on a t-shirt.

"You don't mind do you, this starch is killing me"

3) continue to run game with heightened sexuality but lowered formality

WIA

17:00

"Take your clothes off first."

This tip has helped me immensely.

(03-01-2017 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Best return on dollars
1) 9 pm date for drinks very close to your apartment + game
2) Continue drinks/Naija treats and conversation at your spot.
3) *grey goose bottle filled with cheap alcohol*
*box of wine*
4)I'll just drop you off in the morning
5) No pants rule for sleeping in my bed

WIA

Can co-sign on #5. Most recent notch was putting up LMR. We switched to cuddling on the couch, told her I wanted to cuddle with her pants-less. Continued escelation led to bang, without anymore LMR.

I wanna try #3, just to fuck with chicks. Brilliant.

(03-01-2017 09:28 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Moma, you need to give her a reason to want to keep hanging out with you.

If a chick says that to me, means I didn't hook her hard enough during the date. So for the next date, I'm going to wonder did I push her away from me enough? Did I disqualify her enough? Because if she's not eating the convo up, that might be a girl that will bang, but not the kind of girl I want to deal with. I'm typically surprised when they're not feeling me that deep into it. I talk about stuff that puts her on the emotional roller coaster. My conversational formula leans heavy on imagery.



However

The way to handle it, is in giving her plausible deniability to hang out more.
- one more drink
- I'm gonna have to much you out
- I got work in the morning

She has to think it's just gonna be some innocent fun, only a little bit of mischief. Well one thing leads to another...

Now if she still balks, I walk.

"That's cool, lemme see you to the train. Walk you to your car. Or I'll wait with you for your uber."

Where am I?
What time is it?

Close to my spot with still time to hit another spot.

I don't press a chick that's not with it, and pick up the bang on a later date. Some chicks need another date or two, to not feel like a slut.

However, I don't waste time either.

My days of
- This chick ain't return my text
- She's not calling me back
- what does she mean by this
Etc

Are done.

I got the chick vetted before I even darken her door step.

What's your bang funnel? Your system?

WIA

I think this all just comes back to framing going back to your place as something natural and fluid.

-"Let me show you the music I made I was telling you about."

-"You would love my pet hamster Sparky. His cage is conveniently located right next to my bed."

-"Let me cook you some cake."(paging whoever said that a while back)

etc.


That's all I could think of off the top of my head, but that's just the general gist of stuff a guy can do. Adding on to the whole lifestyle vs game vs money business earlier it can only help your game to have a kickass hobby.

I love mine and it gets me laid and paid.

Is what it is.

Cheers!

(03-01-2017 07:31 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  3) *grey goose bottle filled with cheap alcohol*

The best bet with this strategy is to get some French wine and tell the girl its some expensive wine you imported directly from France. Then fill it up with cheap wine. Girls love wine. And girls think that France is known for the best wine.

Speaking of which lizards love to be mistaken for another nationality. My go too opener these days for day or night game is asking if they're French, Italian, or [insert exotic nationality here]. Granted this works better on white lizards as I've had mixed results with Latinas(always funny for them when I guess every latin nationality besides Mexican when they are) and not tried it with others.

French could definitely work with some black lizards here and there as well due to them being a fair amount of the population over there.

All food for thought as I'm definitely mixing it up these days.

(03-01-2017 11:44 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 07:31 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  3) *grey goose bottle filled with cheap alcohol*

The best bet with this strategy is to get some French wine and tell the girl its some expensive wine you imported directly from France. Then fill it up with cheap wine. Girls love wine. And girls think that France is known for the best wine.

Speaking of which lizards love to be mistaken for another nationality. My go too opener these days for day or night game is asking if they're French, Italian, or [insert exotic nationality here]. Granted this works better on white lizards as I've had mixed results with Latinas(always funny for them when I guess every latin nationality besides Mexican when they are) and not tried it with others.

French could definitely work with some black lizards here and there as well due to them being a fair amount of the population over there.

All food for thought as I'm definitely mixing it up these days.

That's a good one. Looks similar to Roosh's GALNUC except you are guessing her nationality instead of asking her if she is German.

One variation of the above method is to guess where she came from. In my city, most of the (white) girls moved from somewhere else. I say "based on your accent, I can tell your from another part of the country". Then I try to guess. Always start with the Midwest. One girl was stunned when I not only guessed that she was from the Midwest, but I guessed she was from Ohio and the suburbs of Cleveland. All you have to do is pick up the patterns of which states are the girls in your city from. Once you establish the patterns, guessing her state shouldn't be hard.

(03-01-2017 11:49 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 11:44 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 07:31 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  3) *grey goose bottle filled with cheap alcohol*

The best bet with this strategy is to get some French wine and tell the girl its some expensive wine you imported directly from France. Then fill it up with cheap wine. Girls love wine. And girls think that France is known for the best wine.

Speaking of which lizards love to be mistaken for another nationality. My go too opener these days for day or night game is asking if they're French, Italian, or [insert exotic nationality here]. Granted this works better on white lizards as I've had mixed results with Latinas(always funny for them when I guess every latin nationality besides Mexican when they are) and not tried it with others.

French could definitely work with some black lizards here and there as well due to them being a fair amount of the population over there.

All food for thought as I'm definitely mixing it up these days.

That's a good one. Looks similar to Roosh's GALNUC except you are guessing her nationality instead of asking her if she is German.

One variation of the above method is to guess where she came from. In my city, most of the (white) girls moved from somewhere else. I say "based on your accent, I can tell your from another part of the country". Then I try to guess. Always start with the Midwest. One girl was stunned when I not only guessed that she was from the Midwest, but I guessed she was from Ohio and the suburbs of Cleveland. All you have to do is pick up the patterns of which states are the girls in your city from. Once you establish the patterns, guessing her state shouldn't be hard.

I tend to peddle it back to traveling abroad so it doesn't help me to guess which state unless I'm teasing her for being a Yank or hick from backwater Midwest/TX etc.

Not to mention the vast majority of chicks are still from TX for now so it definitely wouldn't help. Have to take demographics into account for that kind of stuff.

WIA, I don't usually run it past 3 dates without the 3rd being at my place..if the 3rd isn't my place then I am wasting my time and I end communications immediately. The convos on the date aren't really sexual but these days they are becoming more sexual. Lizards 'fear' what will happen at my place but this is when I lay being British on heavily to assuage those pump and dump fears.

Probably 45 percent of the time, they enter my abode, I shed my clothes to my boxers. We sit on my couch and watch something British, I use Idris Elba (Luther) to wet these lizards's snatches. I take the opportunity to touch and rub the lizard 'inadvertently' to begin with and if the midnight marauder is standing up or ends up standing then all the better as I don't generally hide him.

Last lizard I recall seeing my purple dragon straining against the cheap material of my boxer shorts and said.."Let's go to your room or you will bother me all evening"
I went to the room and dug her out and roared as I discharged my solution in her, doggy style some minutes later (around 17 mins).

WIA, do you have a direct transcript of lyrics that you run to set the mood in her head? I know it might be a bit of work to do that. I am in the process of writing up my last outing.

Last chick was
- yo
- chit chat
- observation about
- giggles
- you look like the type of girl...
- get her living situation/overall life logistics

- talk more about upcoming activity
- we should go

- get#

- non sequitur follow up message/observation of the day
- additional small texts as needed

Night of

- I'm gonna be at the thing

- I go regardless, if she shows, she shows...if not, target rich area to not waste time

- nearby drinks
- meet and greet, rekindle
- push her away playfully - this is never going to work
- stop being difficult
- behave yourself
- get physical - hand measuring, thumb wrestling, stop short on the street and see if she can dance to music coming out of a bar while on the sidewalk
- current events to see where her head is at
- people watch
- you think they're on a date

- winning and losing - whoever is less attractive is winning -> leads to her asking about us -> fishing for a compliment at that point - play it by ear as to whether to validate her

* she should be hooked, wants more from me*

- conversation that drops bait about whatever I got at home

- when I extend my hand to cross the street does she grab it?

- Is she putting herself in my protection when I chat with 3rd parties?

I'm creating situations during the date where the most natural thing for her to do is act like a woman, where fun only comes when she cooperates with me. Aka leading, verbally, physically, situationally..

Not fool proof, but a chick knows what I'm like by the end of that date, and what her time with me will be like. I've done a lot to make compliance easy and fun and attractive.

The sex discussion is done via implication, touches, looks. Occasionally you got to get explicit, but that's a whisper in her ear - because aside from the message - I like to show discretion.

But this question was originally about economic/time efficiency. My style/conversation/funnel is aimed at maximizing the emotional roller coaster and building in opportunities for her to get with me.

So in a time sense, it's not as efficient as drinks, drop bait, and bounce. Moving a chick around and giving her a chance to act like a lover - I've found this works for me, and i can better screen her. I'll pass on a chick if I don't like her or her behavior.

We've talked in the past about bitches that become kittens after the bang, passive chicks, quiet chicks that are tigers... The question for me has been, if I'm not feeling her before the bang, what are the chances that she's going to get better.

Maybe it's the jade on me, I can tell how a chick's thought process is gonna make being with her tedious.

@28 I just wanted to fuck.

Now? Fuck that.

My approach has gotten more elaborate over time because i value my time more. The wrong chick could have bomb sex - and that's hard to pass up on. You start with male bargaining.

She is annoying as fuck, but dem tiddies tho..

WIA

Seems a bit weird to argue that money isn't helpful for the game. That's just as bad as arguing money is the only thing that matters. Its a horseshoe-shaped continuum or whatever the fuck they call it. Two extremes while the truth is in the middle.

If you are pulling down $100,000 vs 25,000 the mental benefits are quite intense I would imagine. Knowing that you can buy the drinks you want without worrying if your card is out of money, LOGISTICS (hugeeeeee game booster), being able to go to special events where only vetted cool people are invited too, dressing in a way to boosts your confidence, being able to just "show up" in a country (availability pend) are all things that definitely add up to give you an edge on the guy who is locked down by financial constraints.

For example, I make a bit more money living in China AND my money goes further here. I'm able to just show up to a bar post up, shoot the shit with my buddies (all bartenders) and talk to chicks knowing that my apartment is a 15-20 minute taxi ride back to my spot. I don't even like night game but I'm able to run night game if I choose because my logistics are reasonably tight because of money.

Or even on dates, I live in a nice-ish area so I have a lot of cool things I can take girls to go see in my area. All of this is somewhat enabled by money.

Of course being broke will severely limit your options, lol. I think the overarching point is wealth vs game.
I wish I had the luxury to hang out with chicks and not worry about money. Which, IMO, will come with wealth, but at the same time, I'm not exactly starving either.
That's the whole reason why each of us hustles in life. To be able to do & buy shit without having to worry about the impact on our pockets. Bishes are just something else to do which oftentimes come with an expense.

Reading the above few posts, it seems like members of this thread are less concerned with notch accumulation (which seems to be RVFs MO).

(03-02-2017 11:13 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Reading the above few posts, it seems like members of this thread are less concerned with notch accumulation (which seems to be RVFs MO).

Lol, at my ripe old age and amalgamated notch count, it's about quality over quantity. I don't even attempt to smash bishes I couldn't see myself spending time with the next day.

Semi-childish question - how many notches did it take for you to get to this point? I'm at 18. Am 24 years old. And like, when I think back on what I liked about my best relationships, what I dislike about women, reading the experiences of people here who champion quality over quantity, and those who've achieved a 100 notch count but still report flakiness & the inability to maintain a relationship with a high quality 8/9...

Going through a lot of this just seems like a waste of time. I think I should just skip the quantity obsession (unless it's a layup) and focus entirely on harem building. But then again...I'll have to chase quantity to do so, so I suppose I just answered my own question.

I'm 28 years old.

Once I got around 30+ notches, I stopped counting. I don't really derive much pleasure from the numbers so why keep track? I am still in the game but I do it at my own pace and in my own way. I'm in no rush to hit arbitrary player benchmarks. Sure, I'd like to pull a 3s but it doesn't haunt me that I haven't. This doesn't really define me as a man at this stage of my life. I'm more interested in $$$$$$$$.

I do really believe that the old adage "you will never lose women chasing money" applies here. As my money grows and my game grows I find myself having to do less work for similar results. It used to be that I had to go on a series of dates to smash chicks, now I'm getting many first date bangs and sometimes no-date bangs. Is it simply because of money? Of course not, i'm a "maturing" player I guess, so the basics don't elude me so often, but I just really don't care all that much.

I do feel people who go out and really chase numbers, though. I think that's important, especially when you're starting out with this stuff. As you evolve you can become like WIA, for example, and actually get into the whole artistry of seduction and make it into a game for yourself. A lot of different paths to choose from for RVFers.

Fortis, no one said money doesn't matter. We are starting to orbit around stale and obvious points. I personally to debate whether looks, money, a nice physique and fame matters is the elementary point of game. I thought we are now into the intermediary to advanced discussion on game

I'm starting to get jaded in the sense of...just dealing with annoying women. Like my most recent notch is this hyper SJW, and I find myself wanting to just gag her when she goes on some feminist rant. And I'm thinking to myself "am I really putting up with this just to get a few seconds of release after some minutes of gratification?"

I could just still miss my LTR, but even now I'm starting to think how when she hit 21, she started evolving into one of those SJWs. Blogs about how "toxic" our relationship was.

Maybe I'm just getting tired of NA.

^^ thats the whole point of quality over quantity. Personally, I got tired of hanging out with bishes I didn't even like to just to get some poossy. When I was drinking it was much easier, but now that I've been sober it's a LOT harder, lol.
No, it's not about numbers and keeping track, but me and my best friend back in high school had a comradery going with notch count. I started counting and didn't stop until I surpassed about 110-ish in my early to mid 30's. If anything, it has just helped me get my sex game on point. I'm confident now when I smash, she'll be hooked, so honestly, I stopped giving away this bomb dyck for free, lol.

(03-01-2017 03:37 PM)Moma Wrote:  Excelsior, what is your strategy? Are you out for lays or LTR? Either or, how do you set out to accomplish this? Give me some of your overt strategies, please.

@Excelsior - I would love to hear your new strategies and what you have found works for you!

I would like to remind all the people that are reading this thread, that I approached Moma about starting a podcast to address some of the issues young black guys were facing.

Being older guys we are giving back and sharing information about what we find works and what doesn't work, in terms of dating.

We have had many of your "peers" on the show to explain how they make things work for them socially in this tough environment. Listen to the free shows on YouTube - I would recommend the DL show (great mindset) ,JOF Superman show and a few others.

As was pointed out, it seems I have beat my chest a bit too much about Europe. My stance is always positive about the continent, but I can no longer justify paying large sums of money to travel to Scandinavia for a notch or two.

I also have no interest living in those places, my standard of life would drop. I wouldn't move to Europe for women.

If I am able to make dollars while spending a month or two in Europe/Latin America/Asia, then that is more favourable for me.

Despite what others have said, I am content in Toronto. My complaint isn't the women, it is the men. The amount of ass-lickers, boot-lickers, no game, thirsty guys is staggering.

My game is at a decent level, I was able to bag a hardcore ivy league feminist last summer. She was beyond annoying and even had the nerve to say to me "she doesn't see a lot of attractive black men".

Also I come from a sales background, so my pipeline is very decent at the moment. I cannot complain, as the phrase goes ABC (always be closing), don't take these chicks serious and I am doing them a favour.

[email protected] dyck, you guys are hilarious!!!

Beating a dead horse, in my experience, money is more of an intangible asset. For example, being able to afford the best logistics, having money to travel to "pussy paradises", peace of mind of knowing you're not about to be evicted the next day, etc.
In the actual seduction process not so much. When I failed with chicks in the past, I was never like: "if only I had been in a higher tax bracket", often money wasn't even brought up; it was bad game.

To me it's in this order 1) fame 2) money 3) intelligence 4) looks. Fame as I've seen it the 50 times multiplier of all of them at least. I've hung around both brothers with money and with fame and fame crushes. I was a small time basketball star in my area and girls from different high school used to get at me... shit most of the girls I fucked with ain't even go to my school. Shit one time walked into hotel party and within 10 minutes was getting my dick sucked. I didn't even go on dates and was fuckin. I knew a big time celebrity rap star, met him while playing hoops. Girl offered me a BJ for his number told her to fuck off.

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