Post: #9376

Man I avoid social circle game like the plague, I hate mixing it up like that with a passion. I just dipped my toes a little the other day and I guess it's some powerful stuff.

Went out drinking with some friends, met up with a friends extended friends. Had homie put in a good word and 4 hours later I was knocking boots with a cute girl my boy laid down the groundwork for me. He told me all he really said was "he's a good guy but don't fall in love" apparently she ate it up. All i had to do was play some cocky asshole game the next thing I know she invites me to her room to watch 50 shades of grey. Not much of an accomplishment she was clearly a slut I'm just surprised how easy it was.

Post: #9377

@heavy re desire for sex, I couldn't agree more.

At a fundamental level It all comes down to your desire for sex which is probably driven by T levels.

At one end, the pale sickly geeks have so much trouble not because of looks or social skills but because their low T bodies mean they dont really desire the pussy as much as they might say they do, despite having all the knowledge and opportunities available.
If they truly did, they would do the work and learn the skills necessary to get what they truly wanted.

At the other end, the young horny high T bad boys may be clumsy at first but their T driven desire for pussy means they keep going until they find a way to get the amount theyre happy with. They get more because they want more and take more.

For the majority in the middle, for some it's more for others it's less.



On a fundamental level, Women are reactive to a mans input and only need to be activated.

Low male input/desire/energy = poor response/activation rate with women.

Male looks are more of a factor in determining quality than quantity.

It's probably why you hear a lot of cases where the 6 chick approached as a last resort turns down the 8 guy.
His true desire for her is low, so as a woman she can often only react and mirror his interest level/energy.

As T levels/desire/thrill of the chase decline with age, so the downsides of the player lifestyle are felt more keenly and other needs like companionship come to the fore, making a ltr seem a more attractive option than it did previously.

Those are my thoughts anyway.

Post: #9378

Had a lunch date with a Tinder girl, got her back to my house. She totally reeled every time I went for kino and looked generally uncomfortable. We talked about doing dinner (at my house) if the date went well, as I was driving her home I asked her to dinner and she muttered out the most ridiculous set of excuses. I knew before this point it was basically a lost cause but i wanted to some confirmation.

Then later she texted me "we should do dinner when I am free". To which i asked "when are you free?". She said somthing about being so busy with studying and finals and should be free 2 weeks from now. I knew it was bullshit and I lost my temper and texted her "sounds like you're a busy girl. Your schedule clears up and you want to see me I'll make time. Drop me a hint; don't be shy". No reply, i fucked that up. I need to be colder. I knew I fucked up when kino was off the table with a tinder girl. I couldn't quite get a read on why but i have a few ideas.

Post: #9379

The only obvious fuck ups were going on a lunch date with a tinder girl as this probably gave her a 'nice guy' impression of you.
Hard to recover from that anyway, but particularly so trying to escalate after a lunch date.

Also in chasing again for the dinner date after she'd rejected it on the way home.

I'd not have bother texting her again after that rejection coupled with her physical rejection of your kino.

When she later reached out (probably just toying with your thirst for fun or maybe a free dinner to laugh with her fiends about) I'd have just put the ball right back in her court by saying "cool, msg me when your free" and forgot about her.

Might just have been enough of a push back from u to pique her interest.

If u hear from her, cool if not, no more of your time wasted on a poor lead.

You had done all the work up to that point and she rejected it so if she genuinely had any interest left at all she'd have to work a little bit for it now.

Post: #9380

I'd like to take a moment to shed some light on something I think a lot of players on here, newbies and vets alike, miss out on when keeping their interactions with women as distant and surface-level as possible.

Bonding.

Now I'm not advocating diving into committed relationships here - what I am advocating is allowing yourself to get close enough to a girl and spending enough time with her to be able to experience some of the finer aspects of the fairer sex from time to time. Having sex with a girl and cuddling with her on your couch and whatnot is nice, but doing girlfriend/boyfriend-level stuff can be even better and create much more enjoyment in my humble opinion. Appreciating spending time with one another, experiencing new things together, going on trips, etc.

Most of the talk on this board is about just getting your dick wet - which is fine don't get me wrong. This is just another aspect of interacting with females I think is sort of stigmatized on this board because of the "beta" connotation of it and the self-imposed risks of getting attached and giving a girl the keys to your castle figuratively speaking. You can sort of have both if you're savvy enough with your emotions while being able to equally throw some caution to the wind.

Post: #9381

If she thought i was a "nice guy" that must've quickly gone south when I didn't open doors for her, made her pay for her own lunch, and called her out on some incongruous behaviour. I framed lunch as really casual and only did it because she rejected the more typical tinder date type stuff.

For the record it was an asian American girl who was a single child. I think she was fishing for a "nice guy" for the upcoming holiday. I'm actually alnost sure of it since she tried to say she would be free 3 days after valentines day.

I'm sure I'll never hear from her again.

Post: #9382

Has anyone here read the book "Mode One?" I read it a few months ago and it drastically changed my mindset and made me go the direct way. I really recommend the book because it teaches a man how to be upfront and straightforward. Being on a college campus though, it is kind of scary thinking of all the shit that can go south like a harassment charge for asking a girl if she wants to have sex with you the first time you meet her. I haven't actually tried it ON campus because I've been too afraid, but in clubs, parties, and other scenarios I've had mixed results. Mostly, I saved a bunch of time from women who just like to use men for small talk/flattering attention. What the book refers to as "timewasters." I have been meeting a lot of "taken" girls who have a bf. None of that shit phases me. But it's gotten to a point where most females on campus just want attention, not to fuck. An influx of yoga pants has taken over (the torn kind), big booty white girls doing squats now-a-days, and using Tinder for ego-boosts.

Post: #9383

General Stalin, you are right- the game is just a tool that is there to open up options. You want to be able to have a choice to do whatever with the girl. Maybe you want a relationship, maybe you just want a one night stand, etc. The game will allow you access to all that stuff. The thing with the beta guy is that he doesn't have the game tool at his disposal and is therefore limited in his options (pretty much social circle game). The reason he gets so much shit is that he doesn't seem to know or believe that he can have other options. At worst, the beta guy despises game because it's afront to his comfortable blue pill frame.

Post: #9384

(02-08-2017 06:23 PM)soup Wrote:  General Stalin, you are right- the game is just a tool that is there to open up options. You want to be able to have a choice to do whatever with the girl. Maybe you want a relationship, maybe you just want a one night stand, etc. The game will allow you access to all that stuff. The thing with the beta guy is that he doesn't have the game tool at his disposal and is therefore limited in his options (pretty much social circle game). The reason he gets so much shit is that he doesn't seem to know or believe that he can have other options. At worst, the beta guy despises game because it's afront to his comfortable blue pill frame.

HOLY FUCK soup sighting !

Miss you man, hope all is well !


@Stalin - I'll do a write up of my thoughts on this later this week when I figure things we talked about offline.

Post: #9385

I'm well. Thanks for the kind words and hope you are good too.

Post: #9386

(02-08-2017 06:31 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 06:23 PM)soup Wrote:  General Stalin, you are right- the game is just a tool that is there to open up options. You want to be able to have a choice to do whatever with the girl. Maybe you want a relationship, maybe you just want a one night stand, etc. The game will allow you access to all that stuff. The thing with the beta guy is that he doesn't have the game tool at his disposal and is therefore limited in his options (pretty much social circle game). The reason he gets so much shit is that he doesn't seem to know or believe that he can have other options. At worst, the beta guy despises game because it's afront to his comfortable blue pill frame.

HOLY FUCK soup sighting!

I second this motion Kaotic

Post: #9387

(02-08-2017 02:41 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  I'd like to take a moment to shed some light on something I think a lot of players on here, newbies and vets alike, miss out on when keeping their interactions with women as distant and surface-level as possible.

Bonding.

Now I'm not advocating diving into committed relationships here - what I am advocating is allowing yourself to get close enough to a girl and spending enough time with her to be able to experience some of the finer aspects of the fairer sex from time to time. Having sex with a girl and cuddling with her on your couch and whatnot is nice, but doing girlfriend/boyfriend-level stuff can be even better and create much more enjoyment in my humble opinion. Appreciating spending time with one another, experiencing new things together, going on trips, etc.

Most of the talk on this board is about just getting your dick wet - which is fine don't get me wrong. This is just another aspect of interacting with females I think is sort of stigmatized on this board because of the "beta" connotation of it and the self-imposed risks of getting attached and giving a girl the keys to your castle figuratively speaking. You can sort of have both if you're savvy enough with your emotions while being able to equally throw some caution to the wind.

Stalin

Good points. However this usually starts well, but does not end well. Why? Because this kind of stuff eventually makes the girl become attached, specially going on trips.

Then she will start questioning on the status of the "relationship" and then additional shit tests start to come.

True game is when you can manage and control this kind of shit for a good amount of time and just move on when shit starts getting annoying.

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On a side note, welcome back soup.

Post: #9388

Yeah bonding with a girl can be nice, but it is a VERY slippery slope. Both for you and the girl.

For us men, as long as you have a strong frame and enjoy the bonding moments for exactly that...moments...then you can avoid falling into some 'oneitis' hole that is difficult to climb out of. I think for guys just starting out gaming girls and just coming out of their blue pill cocoon this can be difficult. They think "Sure, I'll take Sally out for a weekend trip and then I'll fuck Susan when I return on Monday". Monday rolls around and they are still on the high of the trip they just had with Sally and end up blowing Susan off.

So unless you are a seasoned veteran, I would recommend extreme caution in doing any bonding-like activities with females.

And with females, like Fret mentioned, they become emotionally attached. You're spending your time with them, so that let's them know you are invested emotionally (Well, at least that's the impression they get). The bonding experience may have been a one time deal for you but for her it was a long term investment in the both of you. For example, I went Christmas shopping with my main plate back in December, as I enjoyed her company and wanted her female opinion on what to buy my mom and niece. For me that's all it was....a shopping experience. For her it was a bit more than that. And after her brief 'I eventually want something more' talk we had a few weeks ago, I can trace the seeds of that being planted on that Christmas shopping trip.

Just be careful gentlemen. Practice safe bonding.

Post: #9389

I've watched this video about 3 times over the years and still enjoy it:

Post: #9390

Yesterday I went for a beer with a japanese girl I met before Christmas. In that first date I was betaish, 4 hours, safe talking, you get the picture. So yesterday I kept things short, 1 hour on a bar. Things were going well, in my opinion, some classic IOIs, kino was well received (not reciprocated that much though), she also said we should meet again...but she gave me the cheek! I was not expecting that, because in my head everything was going well. Any tip in how to follow this? Or do you guys think I should just next this one?

This semester is starting very well, I have 3 possible girls for the next week, which is a very good mark for me, probably the most options I've had to date. We'll see how it goes.

Post: #9391

It sounds like you need to get more focus. I call it the "killer instinct" in my book. It's when you put some momentum into moving things forward. You escalate, bounce, etc. with more power.

For me personally, I would definitely be moving things forward on the next date and not just "hanging out" with her as much.

Post: #9392

(02-10-2017 08:42 AM)soup Wrote:  It sounds like you need to get more focus. I call it the "killer instinct" in my book. It's when you put some momentum into moving things forward. You escalate, bounce, etc. with more power.

For me personally, I would definitely be moving things forward on the next date and not just "hanging out" with her as much.

That's why he's back.

Post: #9393

(02-10-2017 09:19 AM)Chowder Head Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 08:42 AM)soup Wrote:  It sounds like you need to get more focus. I call it the "killer instinct" in my book. It's when you put some momentum into moving things forward. You escalate, bounce, etc. with more power.

For me personally, I would definitely be moving things forward on the next date and not just "hanging out" with her as much.

That's why he's back.

"chowder elevates for the dunk.."

Post: #9394

Recently met this 25yr a solid 8, I met her like 4 months ago as she and her boyfriend went to my shop to buy him a tuxedo for new years eve.

In january she started liking every picture I posted on social network, last week I decided to sent her a text.

We really hit it off, she is smart, beautiful, hot... the problem is, she was in a relationship with these guy for 7 years, they broke up two months ago, she said she was getting tired of all the fighting.

She appears to be ltr material, she keeps telling me that she knows I'm a player and that she doesn't like one night stands as she has only been with 2 guys and they were both ltr.

To be honest I could fall for this girl but I just know that a 7 year relationship is a long long time with someone and she probably has feelings for him.

Tonight she's going out with some of her friends, I'm going out with some of my friends too, just need your help, whar would be the best way to get closer to this girl tonight?

Post: #9395

I have an overnight layover, leaving at 9pm.

I want to drink and dance all night. When the clubs close, where should I go?

I want to go out sll night because it is a good way to loosen up for the weekend.

Has anyone done this before in a city they have never visited before?

(My first thought is to check facebook for house parties.)

Post: #9396

I'm so happy, today I broke a dry spell of 5 months (!), and I am closer to complete my goal of 4 new notches for 2017. I'm already one quarter there, tonight I'm buying some good beer to a couple of friends to celebrate. I will try and convert this one into a plate so I don't go back to a dry spell and I can keep on getting more experienced with game. This girl came from social circle, date was drinks and lunch at her place. There, I escalated and everything went just great.
This coming week I will ping japanese qt to see if I have still something to do, and I will try and escalate things with the 19 years old that showed interest through a mutual friend (I don't know her more than 10 mins). I really want her, she's cute and petite as they come, which is, well, my type.

Post: #9397

I gotta get a few things off my chest -

For me, January was ROUGH when it came to girls. (By first world player standards)

Then started shining just this weekend.

My harem basically collapsed, 1 girl had and ASD moment, another girl wanted more commitment, one ghosted, one was shady, my main ghosted. (I'm going to write a separate post about her)

Banging body/semi butter face girl wanted more commitment again (since I last mentioned her) she got mad about me confusing her trip, in her head she was thinking that I was accidentally texting another girl. She said bye and made some lame ass retort. Deleted her number.

Then there was the 23 year old surprise tits girl, told me we weren't having sex, I got her topless, we didn't fuck, she went home, thanked me for the night.

Next afternoon she tells me that she doesn't see this going any further, deleted her number.

Fully tattooed girl had asked me about double penetration, 3 somes, and sex swings. Her phone broke, texted me a bit, then ghosted. (more on her later)

My reserve girl who could clean chrome off a tow hitch bailed twice on hanging out. Then sends me a snap of her walking with this dude on a beach, instant next and deleted her off snap and her number.

The squirter and I have been trying to link up, but we're both so busy.


Trials:

I was sexless for the last part of January, but finally got some head last week from Chinese girl.

Not knowing what was going on with my main, was fucking with my head.

I don't jack off, I was doing legs 2-3 times a week, full of test, and not being able to vent that out.


The man comes around:

Chinese girl is really cool personality wise, subtle SJW tells of course, but if she grew her hair out and dressed herself better she might be more fun to be around.

I'd never want to hangout with her in public, even tho she's a stealth freak in bed.

I actually fuck her last night, she even brought me condoms.


Fully tattooed girl ended up messaging on Tinder, she got a new phone and new phone number, she got a job, so it'll be a bit harder to hang, good to know she's back in the fold.


I fucked a new notch, crossfit girl, Friday, but she turned out FUCKING CRAZY. So I nexted her, shame, could've been a fun plate.

I'm supposed to hangout with squirter tonight, but she's whining about her back. We'll see.


So it looks like I got 2 girls back in the harem, and slowly rebuilding it.

Post: #9398

+1
2 YTD
Night game

November 13, 2016 - I met this chick at the club. She's alone, I approached with "hey you look lonely. What's up?" We hang out and dance, then she leaves to meet up with her friends. I get her number and immediately text "hey it's redbeard." I was pretty drunk and didn't remember the interaction much. Combine that with no kiss or anything...I figured it was a low probability lead.

She doesn't reply until the morning and we start texting. I get her to send a pic and...wow. Stunner. Little 21 year old college girl..studying engineering...perfect match. I try to set up a date but she's busy and suggests we meet up downtown instead. Okay.

For the next few weeks we do the same routine. I try to set up a drinks date...she says she's busy. She goes downtown and texts me...I'm out with another chick or sleeping or something and don't go. Rinse wash repeat. We never meet up. This goes on for a few weeks until mid December when we stop texting.

Fast forward to last night. I'm at a bar with forum member Jones and a pub crawl rolls in. We're looking at the dance floor and I think I see her. She's with this short pussy ass guy and they're "dancing." By dancing I mean they're standing two feet from eachother doing a whole bunch of this not touching eachother at all. I figure he's not hitting that. Even if he is, fuck it, he can't fight me. What's to lose?

I walk up and grab her by the pussy arm and say "HEY!" She's kind of shy and says "hey" I say "do you remember me?" She says "yes, redbeard." I know it's on so I take her by the hand and take her off the dancefloor . "Come here let's talk." I get the logistics and she's on a pub crawl but is heading to this club downtown later. Perfect.

After that it's mostly textbook...we meet at the club and grind make out have drinks talk etc.

One good story from the club was that we flexed the power of the grease...Jones and I were waiting in line for the coat check and it was taking FOREVER so we start talking to the bouncer at the front of the line. I give the classic lie..

rb "you want a drink bro?"
bouncer "nah I can't drink while working."
rb "redbull? water? I used to bounce in college I know it's rough."
bouncer "....actually yeah, a redbull would be great. Here go ahead and go to the coat check."

He lets us skip the 5 or so chicks in front of us. "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!" They yell as we pass them. Power of the grease baby!

Back to the girl, everything's going well until we leave. I think it's on but we get to where you'd wait for a cab and she says her friend is picking her up. I pull all the moves to get her to leave with me but she isn't budging...the only consolidation is she said she'd come hang out with me tomorrow. She has "no plans all day." I figure she's a good girl and doesn't want to be a ONS...so I'll take it.

We're texting once she gets home and she says "why didn't I come home with you...am I dumb?" I knew it's on...she comes over today we talk on my bed and bang.

Back on pace for 2017.

Post: #9399

Now onto the main girl/biker girl:

We started hooking up then doing things together once or twice a week September, she was into me, even after post sex in the morning she'd thank me for the sex and the good night. To my friends, she was basically my girl, afterall, I brought around to the places I did with my ex, and to all my friends parties and events.

She's a total dork, she's cute, I didn't have to front on shit, I was myself (as you should be) and I enjoyed her company. Sex was good, we didn't have any fights or drama. I mean literally no little tiffs or bullshit things like that.

NOTE: Her father has cancer that is killing him (how soon, not sure, but seems bad), she also is working fulltime for a small company doing something she likes, whose owner is her friend, and she's friends with the owners girlfriend. She also acts as a mother to her little sister and her little brother.

Things were rolling pretty solid until the end of January.

The last time we hungout, was the first time I put it in her ass, this was the second to last week in January.

Ever since then we attempted to hangout a few times, she was either super tired, taking care of her dad or getting off work late.

I started calling her instead of texting her to hangout and see what's up, she seemed like herself, but a bit struggling with everything.

The last time I talked to her on the phone was 2 weeks ago early in the week, I was planning on us going to a show about an hour away, but it looks like work was keeping her late and she was working on a few projects.

Told her to call me the next day, I didn't hear from her, so I hit her a few days later at the end of the week - no response.

Yet she's got plenty of time to post a few instagram pictures talking about the upcoming trip.

At this point - I'm thinking somethings up.

Then I realize she's riding her bike all weekend on a trip and camping and filming for a friends organization, she had told me previously in the week she'd probably be back by Sunday.

I chill out, I wait it out, call and hit her up superbowl sunday, no answer, shoot her a text, saying hope the trip is going good, to give me a ring.

No response.

By this point my gut is telling me something is definitely up.

Did she catch me on a dating site ?
Did something I say set her off ?
Is there another dude ?
Had she been avoiding me because she fucked up on her end ?

A million thoughts race through my head, and I admit, I got a bit weak and creeped her IG anonymously.

Last Monday rolls around, looks like everything is normal on her end, she's posting stuff on IG, still hasn't hit me up.


Eventually I seek sage advice from Stalin, Comte, Spider, Real, Down, Snow, Aneroid and a few others.

I wanted to see things outside the box, Stalin had the greatest impact on my thinking.

His reasoning, females can go cold at any time (absolutely true), and there's probably another guy in the picture (unsure, but possibly true). Stalin's experience spoke well to me as an example.

I wrote up a bait text and asked what Stalin thought - he said at this point it wouldn't hurt.

I knew my hamster admittedly was spinning over this girl.

Getting it off my chest and sending her that text would relieve my thoughts and spinning hamster.

I decided to send that text Wednesday right before I headed out on my date with Crossfit girl.

"Hey I haven't heard from you and haven't hung out with you in awhile, I'm not sure what's upon your end, we've always been pretty open I just want to see what's going on?"

I almost banged the crossfit girl, as I leave her house the next morning I get this text from her:

"Hey sorry I didn't respond last night I was at dinner for (girlfriends) birthday. I've had alot going on. That trip went well besides losing my wallet and getting home to having to take my dad to the hospital. Sorry I've been kinda mia just having a tough time managing my time. I'll try and give you a call tonight after work so we can chat more"

That afternoon I shoot her a text:

"Hey just landed, yeah give me a call this evening"

She never did call me, Stalin was telling me at this point it it was probably useless to send a follow up, but if I did, make it a bait text.

I sent the follow up Friday:

"Hey my phone died last night, not sure if you called but I'm free tonight around 8 let's meet up"

Text was delivered and shows read, which was odd, she never usually kept the read receipts on.


That pretty much did it for me, she isn't going to respond, it's obvious she isn't making time to respond, she can be on her phone on IG, but obviously won't hit me up.


It's a little disappointing not to know what exactly went wrong.

We never talked about relationships
We agreed we were getting to know each other and we liked each other alot.
I don't think she caught me online.
Our last conversation ended seemed to end on a good note.
Could be possible that I didn't commit and another dude was ready to.


But remember AWALT and closure is for women.

She's the closest girl I've had to a relationship since my last ex, she's the closest whose gotten to me since then, and the closest I let near me. (I think most you guys know about what I'm talking about)

We were never official but I always loved her company and she did mine.

It's pretty clear who was more interested here, it was me, especially chasing her and trying to find out what was going on and reach out to her.

Comte, Snow & Stalin said it straight up you care too much, you need to care less.

It's time to move on.



I just want to thank all my brothers on here who helped me out.


Any feedback, advice, or hindsight advice is always helpful.

Post: #9400

(02-13-2017 01:46 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Now onto the main girl/biker girl:

......

But remember AWALT and closure is for women.

She's the closest girl I've had to a relationship since my last ex, she's the closest whose gotten to me since then, and the closest I let near me. (I think most you guys know about what I'm talking about)

We were never official but I always loved her company and she did mine.

It's pretty clear who was more interested here, it was me, especially chasing her and trying to find out what was going on and reach out to her.

Comte, Snow & Stalin said it straight up you care too much, you need to care less.

It's time to move on.



I just want to thank all my brothers on here who helped me out.


Any feedback, advice, or hindsight advice is always helpful.

Yo I feel you man. My main chick straight up said via text "I don't want to see you anymore." Two days before this I told her to dress sexy for me with her sexiest panties and bra, heels, make up, heels, the whole 9 yards; then I fucked her up against the glass sliding door with her dress on over looking the down town night life. I was totally lost man. She's helping me out with my business because she's nice(I guess?) but everything really threw me for a loop.

She claims to hate cuddling but loves cuddling with me, she would come pick me up or visa versa just to hang out and fuck. She took me out and paid for lunch after our sexy night. We fucked all over her house. She was sending me ass loads of naked pictures. Definitely gave me a pit in my stomach. She says no reason, and maybe thats the case, but IDK. Its odd but just got to move on. I got a new car though and more cash now because of my business and girls texting me out the ass to hang out now tho so just gunna have to fuck the pit outta my stomach.

Ill shed a player's tear for you brother. Just one. No more. No less.