I would disagree with part of your assessment. I do think there are marriage-quality women here, but they won't be found on Tinder or DIA. You'll have to meet them the old fashioned way, via Daygame. Also, just like in the US, smaller towns have far higher qualities of "good girls" than big cities like Manila or Cebu.

The overall culture in the Philippines is actually very conducive to making great housewives. The issues you run into is when you go after girls who are already pumped and dumped, which is what the average RVF member is seeking, and thus, he confirms his expectations when he asks every girl he meets to come to his hotel.

The quality girls here are "pakipot"----hard to get. They don't just swoon at your white guy smile. They are cautious, and when they agree to a date, it's usually with the requirement that they can bring a friend as an escort. Most guys here scoff at this, because in the US, this would be an utter waste of time. But if you're looking for a wife, that's how you go about it----not fucking random girls on Tinder or DIA.

Some of you guys come here for a weekend or a month and then judge the entire population of women on a few sluts you ran through---even if you're sleeping with 3 girls a day, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the overall population.

I assure you, there's more than meets the eye here. If you're looking for quick bangs, they are certainly plentiful here for white men----but if you're looking for something long term, and you know where and how to find it, it's also obtainable.

Please, let's stop suggesting the Philippines is full of nothing but sluts. There are quite a few conservative girls to be found, ESPECIALLY outside of the major cities and tourist areas. And especially offline in the real world, where they aren't approaching you.

(01-31-2017 01:55 AM)Resolute Wrote:   I pulled out, she grabbed it, and made a comment like "Ok, just an average size." I'm not one to be insecure about my dick, as I know it is average, which is fine, but the comment just didn't fit in with the rest of the night.

You poor, poor thing. I would almost slap a bitch for that.

(01-31-2017 05:39 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 01:55 AM)Resolute Wrote:   I pulled out, she grabbed it, and made a comment like "Ok, just an average size." I'm not one to be insecure about my dick, as I know it is average, which is fine, but the comment just didn't fit in with the rest of the night.

You poor, poor thing. I would almost slap a bitch for that.

LOL.

Out of the entire lengthy post, I love that every RVF member comments on that part.

(01-31-2017 01:55 AM)Resolute Wrote:  As I was fucking her, she said she wanted to feel my dick. I pulled out, she grabbed it, and made a comment like "Ok, just an average size."

All the good things from the date would've been thrown out the window if she said that to me. That's like a guy telling a girl while [email protected] her "Damn your pvssy isn't tight" WTH was she thinking?

Anyway, I would've made sure I shot her in the face with my man juice. Act like a slut, get treated like one.

(01-31-2017 12:43 PM)BigTony Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 01:55 AM)Resolute Wrote:  As I was fucking her, she said she wanted to feel my dick. I pulled out, she grabbed it, and made a comment like "Ok, just an average size."

All the good things from the date would've been thrown out the window if she said that to me. That's like a guy telling a girl while [email protected] her "Damn your pvssy isn't tight" WTH was she thinking?

Anyway, I would've made sure I shot her in the face with my man juice. Act like a slut, get treated like one.

I'm actually really grateful for the entire experience.

Not only did she post a giant neon sign that said: "I'M A SLUT!" but she also served as a reminder: No matter how sweet, kind, caring, and nurturing these women are, you ALWAYS have to stay vigilant and look for red flags.

It's so easy to get caught up in how well you're treated that sometimes you forget----no matter what country you're in, women are still women, and thus, still subject to the same flaws. You have a far higher chance of finding quality women abroad than in the West, but you can't take it for-granted that every girl you meet is going to be LTR material. As obvious as it sounds, it's easy to lose sight of it when you're used to the way Western women treat you.

I've know a girl in Cebu for 3 years now and it is stunning what she reveals over time about people around her. So much can be covered up for a month, 6 months, a year, 2 years but eventually less than flattering details get reveled either by them gossiping or you witnessing it with your own eyes.

There are so many prostitutes and semi-pros girls in the Philippines. Last week she said, "hey remember Rose?" I told her "yeah I remember" and she said "well I didn't want you to think bad about her when you were here but she is actually a prostitute and oh yeah her 2 sisters are prostitutes too." She also revealed before this that her aunt in Iloilo is a prostitute too, her male cousin and male neighbor do pay for gay as well.

I'm stunned also by the amount of abortions that she has told me about done by her neighbors and relatives. For being illegal it sure happens a lot.

But what's crazy is at the same time there are many girl that are friends of hers who are 18 to 25 who are still virgins and even many who are "no boyfriend since birth."

What a weird country. I used to think it was a very wholesome place, but from everything I hear, it's Japan with crosses.

Johnny----

Once again: People will find what they seek. RVF isn't travelling to the Phils looking for housewives---the guys going there are mostly there for quick trips to fuck as many girls as possible, and they find exactly what they seek. Go there looking for a conservative church-going girl who wants to be a wife and mother, and you'll find that as well. The difference is that the second type of girl requires actual EFFORT and TIME, something most guys visiting the Phils don't want to invest.

Nothing wrong with traveling to get laid, but let's not judge the entire country based on a few whores.

(02-01-2017 09:21 AM)Resolute Wrote:  Johnny----

Once again: People will find what they seek. RVF isn't travelling to the Phils looking for housewives---the guys going there are mostly there for quick trips to fuck as many girls as possible, and they find exactly what they seek. Go there looking for a conservative church-going girl who wants to be a wife and mother, and you'll find that as well. The difference is that the second type of girl requires actual EFFORT and TIME, something most guys visiting the Phils don't want to invest.

Nothing wrong with traveling to get laid, but let's not judge the entire country based on a few whores.

Of course. There's something for everybody. I do think it's a shame though that so many western guys go over there for the wrong reasons.

(01-19-2017 01:43 AM)the-dream Wrote:  Does anybody have experience hiring Filipinos, either in person or virtually for web/IT/call center etc jobs?

I'm most specifically interested in those whose English writing skills are better than an average native speaker but very interested to hear any stories.

I have hired several people in the Philipines over the past seven years to do admin, project management, logo design, audio editing, and article writing. I found them all from Upwork.

(02-01-2017 11:16 AM)Mr Johnny Montoya Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 09:21 AM)Resolute Wrote:  Johnny----

Once again: People will find what they seek. RVF isn't travelling to the Phils looking for housewives---the guys going there are mostly there for quick trips to fuck as many girls as possible, and they find exactly what they seek. Go there looking for a conservative church-going girl who wants to be a wife and mother, and you'll find that as well. The difference is that the second type of girl requires actual EFFORT and TIME, something most guys visiting the Phils don't want to invest.

Nothing wrong with traveling to get laid, but let's not judge the entire country based on a few whores.

Of course. There's something for everybody. I do think it's a shame though that so many western guys go over there for the wrong reasons.

Once again, I'm going to voice disagreement with a conclusion made here.

I don't think traveling to the Philippines to enjoy the beautiful weather and fuck a lot of fairly attractive women is the "wrong reason" to visit.

Do some guys here come, fuck virgins, treat them like shit, and then leave, bragging about it in their posts? Yes, they do. Is that wrong? Absolutely, in my own humble opinion.

I like to follow the old adage "leave them better than when you found them." With a virgin, this is absolutely impossible to do, UNLESS you marry them. So personally, I screen for more "liberated" girls (the Phils term for sluts). I don't mess with girls who are looking for serious LTR's (unless they are white foreign chasers---then I don't care). Even with these requirements, there are still PLENTY of women to be with.

There's absolutely no need or reason for men to come here and fuck virgins or girls who are seriously looking for marriage. In the US, sleeping with these types of girls can sometimes be the only way to be treated like an actual human being by a woman, but here in the Phils, even most of the sluts treat you better than the "good girls" of the USA.

Guys who are coming here and banging through a lot of conservative girls are either doing so for their own ego validation (which is pathetic) or just don't give a shit about who they hurt or what the consequences of their actions are. This country is full of poverty, and a white guy who is "rich" (by comparison) and takes interest in her, just an average Pinay from some province no one outside of her country has ever heard of (many girls from provinces work in the cities to make money for their families) can easily be charmed and swept off her feet. But just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Every slut at one point started off as a virgin. There are plenty of men in the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK who would love to find a Pinay wife. Let's not take away the dwindling supply of women suitable for such a role just to add another notch to our collective bedposts.

With that said, even despite a few members poor moral compasses, I think the vast majority of guys here come knowing exactly what they want (sex with a lot of girls, no strings attached) and they find it. And that's perfectly ok. Others come looking for a future wife, and, while harder to find than the previous, it can be found as well, especially if you look outside the major tourist areas.

In fact, if you make it KNOWN to the Filipinos you meet that you are LOOKING for a wife/LTR, the men AND women will actually actively seek to introduce you to their friends, even going so far as to game them for you. Filipinos love helping their friends, they love seeing them be happy, and they love helping them get the opportunity that being with a foreigner provides.

And while we're on the topic, let's address the elephant in the room: The income gap. Are Filipinas attracted to the wealth of foreigners? Yes, of course. But keep in mind, just 70 years ago, the same could be said for the US in the 1950's. Women sought after men who could take care of them and their future children financially. This is natural. Women are SUPPOSED to seek a "provider" for them and their children, as, biologically, they are not DESIGNED to work! As long as you don't allow yourself to be treated as an ATM or meal ticket, and use basic common sense gold-digger radar, you don't have to worry about being taken for a ride. (I should also add, staying the the Philippines, should you choose to get married, greatly increases the odds of your new wife remaining loyal, as her options to "trade up" or to get a career of her own remain incredibly low). As Roosh so eloquently put it: "Water takes the shape of the container it fills."

This was a rather verbose post, but hopefully this clarifies the common misconception that Pinays are nothing more than "little brown fucking machines" or sluts to pump and dump. Sure, some are, and in cities consisting of millions of people you'll find PLENTY, but don't get tunnel vision. Use your peripheral and see the entire landscape---there's much more than what you notice immediately.

Just like anywhere in the world, the highest QUALITY women (both in looks and personality) will NOT approach YOU. You must put in the effort, whether rich or poor, foreigner or local, as the MAN if you want a QUALITY woman. If you want the easy girls, there are plenty, but don't complain about their bad traits when the amount of effort you put in was creating an online dating profile and spamming "Want to visit my hotel?"

(Please note, I'm not trashing guys who do this, I've done it to, only those who do this and then COMPLAIN about the "quality" of the women here.)

Resolute, I agree with much of what you say. It's just that when I think about the fact that western women are worthless, and western men complain about them, then they go to these other countries because they want to be treated better, and all they do is seek sex, it kind of makes me sad, and a bit angry (or more like annoyed).

There are better ways to spend one's time in the Philippines than to play out the life of Chad (or Chhad, as they'd probably call them there). Why not just enjoy the girls, chat with them, maybe take them out, flirt, have a nice time, but no sex, and leave them intact and unjaded. Learning how to relate to real, natural young women I think is more satisfying in the long run. It's no good complaining about a bad thing and then going to a good thing and turning it bad.

Having said that, if I went there I can't guarantee that I'd stick to this. I guess this is what happens when you live in a dysfunctional world and aren't used to quality. I think it's very important to one's own self esteem to understand quality and know how to relate to it (like the difference between someone who wins the lottery and someone who was born into money and it's no big deal). Whereas when one just seeks sex from filipinas it's kind of like you're saying "I'm not worthy of quality and so I don't know what to do with it when it's in front of me".

The first step to "recovering" from western women is to acknowledge that they're mostly trash. That's easy enough. But the second step is to feel comfortable around quality non western women to the point where you feel worthy of them, and you don't have to keep proving to yourself "See? See? I can get a quality girl!"

I'm not talking about you of course, I'm just saying in general.

I think the real key difference is to go and LIVE in a country, not go on a week or weekend trip vacation.

I realize not every man has the means to accomplish this, but recognize that most of what you describe is based on the above.

When a guy comes here for two weeks and bangs 20 girls he met on Tinder, of course he's going to assume these girls are all horny sluts who love white dick. He barely even left the plane before getting back on. And did he bother learning the local language, getting to know the women, making local friends? Nope. He just got his dick wet with a lot of girls who love white guys (and if we're being honest, he probably unknowingly fucked a few ladyboys, as a lot of the "girls" willing to come directly to your place with no context, i.e. at least to "watch a movie" are ladyboys. Spoken from experience....had one come over, gut instinct didn't feel right, "her" behavior just wasn't right, so I brought her downstairs to the convenience store to meet a local friend who's gay and he confirmed my suspicions....like Trump----OUT OUT OUT!).

Anyways, all these lengthy posts aside, suffice it to say: Don't take the word of a bunch of guys who visit for less than a month as the gospel truth about Filipina culture. There's a lot more than meets the eye, and the culture here is a LOT deeper overall than current American culture.

(01-31-2017 04:12 AM)Resolute Wrote:  Please, let's stop suggesting the Philippines is full of nothing but sluts. There are quite a few conservative girls to be found, ESPECIALLY outside of the major cities and tourist areas. And especially offline in the real world, where they aren't approaching you.

You are right. While there are some nuggets to pick up on this site, I don't understand why so many of the dudes feel the need to throw vitriol at the people (especially the women) and the host nation itself. Nothing wrong with going for casual sex and for the older dudes and young no-gamers, to pay for it, just why the need to heap on all the hostility and angry self-righteousness? Go there, enjoy, learn, experience. I don't care how poor a country is, respect and a little humility will alway draw better experiences than a callous attitude.

(02-02-2017 01:16 AM)Diddylisch Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 04:12 AM)Resolute Wrote:  Please, let's stop suggesting the Philippines is full of nothing but sluts. There are quite a few conservative girls to be found, ESPECIALLY outside of the major cities and tourist areas. And especially offline in the real world, where they aren't approaching you.

You are right. While there are some nuggets to pick up on this site, I don't understand why so many of the dudes feel the need to throw vitriol at the people (especially the women) and the host nation itself. Nothing wrong with going for casual sex and for the older dudes and young no-gamers, to pay for it, just why the need to heap on all the hostility and angry self-righteousness? Go there, enjoy, learn, experience. I don't care how poor a country is, respect and a little humility will alway draw better experiences than a callous attitude.

Who's callous attitude's are you referring to?

What kind of vitriol are you talking about?

What angry self-righteousness are you referring to?

Have you ever spent significant time there?

I see a couple new guys, Johnny Montoya and yourself, making vague accusations about members here. Be a man and call them out specifically and specifically for what, instead of spewing aimless vitriol.

Onto, are you referring to me?

(02-02-2017 04:21 AM)Resolute Wrote:  Onto, are you referring to me?

No

Just making sure, as what I posted (regarding information others have said) is a fair and accurate representation of some of the opinions posted in this very thread.

(02-02-2017 04:10 AM)Onto Wrote:  I see a couple new guys, Johnny Montoya and yourself, making vague accusations about members here. Be a man and call them out specifically and specifically for what, instead of spewing aimless vitriol.

No. There's no one to specifically mention as I'm not paying specific attention to who is saying what. Don't assume that when someone makes a point, that they're referring to someone specific. It's just an observation based on what I've read here and many other forums and blogs. I even said "in general". Besides, you really think my criticism would be taken like a man?

Anyway, why do you interpret criticism as vitriol? It's like when women get criticised and call it hate. It's just an opinion. Why should my opinion matter so much to anyone? No one else's opinion of me ruffles my feathers.

Yes, I frown on the actions of sex tourists. But I'm not their brother, cousin or close personal friend. No one should get upset by my opinion. I just happen to think it's foolish, for the reasons that I've taken the time and effort to articulate above.

(02-02-2017 06:59 AM)Mr Johnny Montoya Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:10 AM)Onto Wrote:  I see a couple new guys, Johnny Montoya and yourself, making vague accusations about members here. Be a man and call them out specifically and specifically for what, instead of spewing aimless vitriol.

No. There's no one to specifically mention as I'm not paying specific attention to who is saying what. Don't assume that when someone makes a point, that they're referring to someone specific. It's just an observation based on what I've read here and many other forums and blogs. I even said "in general". Besides, you really think my criticism would be taken like a man?

Anyway, why do you interpret criticism as vitriol? It's like when women get criticised and call it hate. It's just an opinion. Why should my opinion matter so much to anyone? No one else's opinion of me ruffles my feathers.

Yes, I frown on the actions of sex tourists. But I'm not their brother, cousin or close personal friend. No one should get upset by my opinion. I just happen to think it's foolish, for the reasons that I've taken the time and effort to articulate above.

It sounds like you've never been to the Philippines, but yet you're posting like an authority in this thread and also making comments about the Philippines in other threads.

Yet, as a person who's never been there, you aren't asking for any advice. Maybe because you don't have plans to go there? If not, then why are you even in this thread?

You mentioned above we should just take the Pinays out, flirt, spend money on them, but never sleep with them because that's the "right" thing to do? So they won't get jaded if we decide afterwards the sex wasn't so great, or her personality wasn't so great?

Give me a break. If you want to be a eunuch, then go ahead. But before you start posting (and faulting) what guys should and shouldn't do in the Philippines, try going there yourself.

(02-02-2017 08:19 AM)Onto Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 06:59 AM)Mr Johnny Montoya Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:10 AM)Onto Wrote:  I see a couple new guys, Johnny Montoya and yourself, making vague accusations about members here. Be a man and call them out specifically and specifically for what, instead of spewing aimless vitriol.

No. There's no one to specifically mention as I'm not paying specific attention to who is saying what. Don't assume that when someone makes a point, that they're referring to someone specific. It's just an observation based on what I've read here and many other forums and blogs. I even said "in general". Besides, you really think my criticism would be taken like a man?

Anyway, why do you interpret criticism as vitriol? It's like when women get criticised and call it hate. It's just an opinion. Why should my opinion matter so much to anyone? No one else's opinion of me ruffles my feathers.

Yes, I frown on the actions of sex tourists. But I'm not their brother, cousin or close personal friend. No one should get upset by my opinion. I just happen to think it's foolish, for the reasons that I've taken the time and effort to articulate above.

It sounds like you've never been to the Philippines, but yet you're posting like an authority in this thread and also making comments about the Philippines in other threads.

Yet, as a person who's never been there, you aren't asking for any advice. Maybe because you don't have plans to go there? If not, then why are you even in this thread?

You mentioned above we should just take the Pinays out, flirt, spend money on them, but never sleep with them because that's the "right" thing to do? So they won't get jaded if we decide afterwards the sex wasn't so great, or her personality wasn't so great?

Give me a break. If you want to be a eunuch, then go ahead. But before you start posting (and faulting) what guys should and shouldn't do in the Philippines, try going there yourself.

Did he really just suggest white men go to the Philippines......and then....FRIENDZONE THEMSELVES????



The guy has obviously never been anywhere near Asia......

That said, there's nothing wrong with treating Pinays well, especially if they are sweet, genuine girls (which many, if not most, are).

But still.....hilarious suggestion.

(02-02-2017 04:10 AM)Onto Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 01:16 AM)Diddylisch Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 04:12 AM)Resolute Wrote:  Please, let's stop suggesting the Philippines is full of nothing but sluts. There are quite a few conservative girls to be found, ESPECIALLY outside of the major cities and tourist areas. And especially offline in the real world, where they aren't approaching you.

You are right. While there are some nuggets to pick up on this site, I don't understand why so many of the dudes feel the need to throw vitriol at the people (especially the women) and the host nation itself. Nothing wrong with going for casual sex and for the older dudes and young no-gamers, to pay for it, just why the need to heap on all the hostility and angry self-righteousness? Go there, enjoy, learn, experience. I don't care how poor a country is, respect and a little humility will alway draw better experiences than a callous attitude.

Who's callous attitude's are you referring to?

What kind of vitriol are you talking about?

What angry self-righteousness are you referring to?

Have you ever spent significant time there?

I see a couple new guys, Johnny Montoya and yourself, making vague accusations about members here. Be a man and call them out specifically and specifically for what, instead of spewing aimless vitriol.

Was talking about many posters here. Re-read the post.

Guys,
Need help. What is the best apartment condo to stay in Manila near a good mall? Makati area or Fort or another similar (Is there?). Important to have a very good pool and gym. Location should be suitable for both day and night game.

How can I rent one for a couple of days? Airbnb or?

Thanks!

Greenbelt mall area in Makati or SM Aura / Market Market are good in BGC. Also High Street which isn't far from SM Aura has lots of restaurants/stores but isn't indoors.

I could not find a condo with a gym that has a barbell or squat rack just smith machines. There is a gym chain very popular in Manila called fitness first which looks pretty decent. I'm going to check it out this week, you can print a 3 day pass for free.

Had a very weird night over the weekend.

I met up with a girl at her place at 1AM. We started fooling around and she said she had to ask her boyfriend for permission. She pulls her phone out and I see her texting some white guy. She says she will only fuck me if I let her boyfriend watch on video chat. She also tried to take a pic of me with her phone but I grabbed it and stopped her. I figured it was just some cuck and I said no thanks and got dressed and walked out.

I told my Filipino friend who grew up there the story and he said something similar happened to him where they recorded all of his chat logs and had a video of him and tried to blackmail that they were going to publish everything if he didn't give her money.

Stay safe.