Post: #4001

I actually find it hard to talk to group of girls.

How do you open.

At best I approach a two set.

Not gonna lie my verbal game is weak. Find it hard to keep convo going for more than couple minutes. Opener is usually commenting on something interesting about the girl.

Once I run out of things to say. Usually try moving chick around or getting physical to minimize talking.

Post: #4002

(01-09-2017 07:29 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 05:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Rookie mistake
Built a lot of attraction but didn't get logistics.

Had he went through the sequence, he would have known that she had people there. Maybe meet the group, maybe sneak out. PDA didn't help either.

Hard to recover from that, because not only is the obstacle mad, the chick feels ashamed and guilty.

Maybe,,

"omg we were trying to.find you. I'm Daqan, Jessie said...."

WIA

The situation from my post helped me understand your game viewpoint and the mistakes I made in the past. I always tried to weasel my way to pussy. I wanted to isolate her and get her away from her friends. I wanted to avoid talking to her friends. Instead I should be engaging her friends. It might lose me a few sets, but I would rather lose those sets early than later.

I see your philosophy as an investment like compound interest. If you save, you are hurt early on in terms of consumption. But, it will pay you back 10x in the end as your investment grows.

Meeting a set at work today builds your skills

Dealing with a set when you get to the venue - skills + warms you up

Dealing with the set of your target - skills/warm up/bang the target -> later bang the friends @ the venue -> later meet her extended circle -> later bang your way through her circle. (last 2 courtesy of Are Ess Dee Luke. but he's fat so don't pay attention to good advice - smh)

The investment her isn't pussy stock, it's about your skills and experience.

The game will always end up being about you.

And my take is- the more you know about how people behave - the less you need to worry about externals.

WIA

Post: #4003

(01-09-2017 08:09 PM)colblionel Wrote:  I actually find it hard to talk to group of girls.

How do you open.

At best I approach a two set.

Not gonna lie my verbal game is weak. Find it hard to keep convo going for more than couple minutes. Opener is usually commenting on something interesting about the girl.

Once I run out of things to say. Usually try moving chick around or getting physical to minimize talking.

I am the same. I can't keep convo randomly going. But bear in mind, I do live in the South and I encounter lizards who have never left the South. As a globally seasoned man, every piece of banter I throw, goes over their head like a midget trying to catch a Shawn Kemp alley oop.

To counter this, I just have to vet sets better. The niches exist, one just had to find them.

Post: #4004

(01-09-2017 08:09 PM)colblionel Wrote:  I actually find it hard to talk to group of girls.

How do you open.

At best I approach a two set.

Not gonna lie my verbal game is weak. Find it hard to keep convo going for more than couple minutes. Opener is usually commenting on something interesting about the girl.

Once I run out of things to say. Usually try moving chick around or getting physical to minimize talking.

Post something that's interesting that you do. I can help you from there. Anything that's both interesting and that you can ramble on for hours.

(01-09-2017 11:13 PM)Moma Wrote:  I am the same. I can't keep convo randomly going. But bear in mind, I do live in the South and I encounter lizards who have never left the South. As a globally seasoned man, every piece of banter I throw, goes over their head like a midget trying to catch a Shawn Kemp alley oop.

To counter this, I just have to vet sets better. The niches exist, one just had to find them.

With dumb bitches I'm surprised you aren't killing it. All you have to do is dumb it down enough that they feel smart for understanding. Granted world traveler is actually one of the harder things to ramble on about from a stop. It rarely works by itself. You'll just get labelled as that "cool" guy. And being cool helps you meet lots of people, but it's not enough to get a girl home.

Throw world traveler and musician together for myself and I open large groups with something almost inane. "What makes a good show?[Insert follow up tailored to the group here]".

It's simple and easy with everyone in the group trying their hardest to fill in the gap. Once you hear something you like from one of them. "Yeah that reminds me of X festival in Y place they had this massive sound system that just everyone vibed too. Just the right sound to take another drink." etc. etc. This is actually a rather lackluster example as I have more than a few clues just by staring a group down, but it's the kind of dumbed down banter they can relate too. Granted the words themselves that do work better are lackluster when looking at it conventionally, but in the heat of the moment are worth it's weight in gold.

Remember these are the same bitches who use words like "YAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSS" or "SOOOOO TIPSY" every 5 seconds. Esoteric, simple banter coupled with that feel good vibe they want.

Another thing it's all about phrasing. Never use the word "drunk" use "fucking gone and having a blast". Everything has to be framed positively. Intoxication is good, dancing like a slut is awesome, taking a guy home is fun. Just framed differently.

Post: #4005

(01-09-2017 08:09 PM)colblionel Wrote:  I actually find it hard to talk to group of girls.

How do you open.

At best I approach a two set.

Not gonna lie my verbal game is weak. Find it hard to keep convo going for more than couple minutes. Opener is usually commenting on something interesting about the girl.

Once I run out of things to say. Usually try moving chick around or getting physical to minimize talking.

Make up shit until you get into your comfort zone. "Did you see those two chicks fighting outside?" . . . lol this is old, but the shit works every-time no matter what type of chick, rachet, beckies, mariah's, it don't matter cuz chicks are nosy af and love drama.

I don't really go to bars anymore, but if I'm by myself I use the aforementioned or some silly shit like "hey I got some tacos in my van outside, you guys want some" with Cheshire cat like smile.

If i'm with my homeboy, I always need a chick or set to settle the bet we have about XYZ.

Seriously fam, just make up some shit, but you have to be able to segue into game or your routine or you'll look weird. Similar to what WIA mentioned, I always avoid the mark. I would turn my back on her and compliment her fat friend. Follow up with, "oh I didn't even see you standing there, what do you think . . ."
Do this shit 5 times a night x's twice a week for a few months and you'll become a phucking pro. I mastered this shit by forcing myself to go out alone and having to interact with people to enjoy myself.

Post: #4006

*reads advice*
*nods*
*dusts hands off*

My work is done here.

WIA

Post: #4007

(01-09-2017 01:57 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  This brought back some high school memories. We're sitting down at our lunch table. That day it was all just dudes at our table. The chicks were gossiping more than likely as I didn't know why any weren't around.

Anyways we all see this new chick that was smoking hot and sitting alone for whatever reason. As all healthy teenage boys do we were hardcore staring until one of the guys at the table is like fuck this I'm talking to her(major props to him for going for it). They seem to be building a damned good rapport and being the jealous guy I was that day decide to head over and see if I can steal her away.

This creates a chain reaction where within 20 minutes there's like 6 guys surrounding this chick trying to get at it while the ones with some dignity held back and just face palmed.

Never saw the chick at lunch again after that. Think we scared her off pretty hardcore.

Ever since I realized why cockblocking or trying to steal a chick away from another dude opening her is just a bad idea.

Lol, this is the stuff that stands out my memory.
Clusterfucks

Getting clowned by your boys for kissing a 5 and LOVING IT!

WIA

Post: #4008

(01-09-2017 08:09 PM)colblionel Wrote:  I actually find it hard to talk to group of girls.

How do you open.

At best I approach a two set.

Not gonna lie my verbal game is weak. Find it hard to keep convo going for more than couple minutes. Opener is usually commenting on something interesting about the girl.

Once I run out of things to say. Usually try moving chick around or getting physical to minimize talking.

This is all me at night game:

Im a really tall mofo this is what I do straight out of the Mufasa rule book.

I get the girl I'm interested in's attention. Usually I'll wave, point at her, just anything. Wave her over if she doesnt come I walk closer and stick my hand out over her friends or people in the area and then I'll pull her in closer to me--preferably through her friends. You've already got her by the hand and then drop the hand move it to her low back pull her in close (pelvis to pelvis close or your leg to her pelvis--kinda like she's about to straddle your leg) and lean my head to her ear and ask her what her name is.

I then turn it my head so she can speak into my ear. Then I make winning eye contact like two reincarnated lost soulmates finally finding each other and say "nice to meet you" & a slight smile--like you're happy to meet her but you don't want her to catch you too happy, like your happiness just slipped through a crack in your masculine shell.

If you pulled her through her friends they all saw this go down from her decision to comply with you, to her basically running through her friends to talk to you, to y'all being in embrace whispering in each others ears. They should leave you alone as long as you are close.

Try to do as much flirting as possible before buying her a drink and move that hand around her back. Girls like being petted so pretend she's a kitty cat purring at your great petting skills. After its clear that she's not using you for free alcohol take her to the bar for a drink. "lets go get a drink" grab her hand and start walking. Chat her by the bar drink your drinks/shot and flirt some more. At some point it should become obvious that she wants to make out so do that too. Then suggest dancing at another place.

Lead her out of there whether her friends are looking or not and then you just run your game like its a date. When dancing I like nibbling on the ears and kissing her neck. A stern rule of 2-4 drinks/shots is enough then make out and bounce to your place.

If her friends catch you leaving with her tell them you're going to go dance at XYZ, if it gets to the point where you know y'all are about to fight over the girl stop and get her number and bounce. Talk in her ear again how you'll text her to come meet you blah blah blah & make out with her again infront of her friends--fuck those lonely loser bitches.

Text her if you want--I honestly have never had success texting her to ditch her friends. I would suggest getting her out for a weeknight drink.

Shit works for me.

Other ways I'll approach is walk up wrap my arms around a few of them and ask them whats up or for their names.

Stop them as they're walking by and ask them for their names

If they are by the bar I'll walk up to the bar while making my way I make eye contact with the target and talk to her while I get in line/order my drink

Make fun of what they are wearing. Once I opened a group of girls dressed in black by asking them where the funeral was at

Post: #4009

Who wants to break down Mufasa's post?

WIA

Post: #4010

(01-09-2017 08:09 PM)colblionel Wrote:  I actually find it hard to talk to group of girls.

How do you open.

At best I approach a two set.

Not gonna lie my verbal game is weak. Find it hard to keep convo going for more than couple minutes. Opener is usually commenting on something interesting about the girl.

Once I run out of things to say. Usually try moving chick around or getting physical to minimize talking.

The same way except that you're talking to a couple of them at once engaging them all, not to one person. It's much easier to talk to a group cause most of them will contribute something to the convo giving your more content to use. Even when they've never seen you and you go in, it's still easier than one on one cause if one girl do not talk at back first other one[s] do.

With one on one convo everything is on you at first. It can last more or less but still, until it hooks really well you gotta run your mouth and keep it alive. If we're talking about COLD approach, it's harder.

Post: #4011

(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Who wants to break down Mufasa's post?

WIA

I read nothing about figuring out logistics before the pull. To me that's #1 thing to know before trying anything further. Also no words on handling unfriendly friends. I guess I'm pointing out those cause I personally prefer "covering all exits" and reverse engineering it.

But he said going blind works for him well so all is good

Post: #4012

(01-10-2017 05:18 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Who wants to break down Mufasa's post?

WIA

I read nothing about figuring out logistics before the pull. To me that's #1 thing to know before trying anything further.

But he said going blind works for him well so all is good

Haha, we're old school. The other side of the game is that if she chooses and the group acquiesces, she may solve her logistics for him.

I think there are lessons in what he's doing, but analysis is required.

The glaring problem with a shorter guy using it is an easy game puzzle.

WIA

Post: #4013

@Colbl

Dealing with two girls is harder than dealing with 3 girls.

If your interaction goes well with the target, the other girl is left out. She's more likely to block.

So you have some options

1) recruit a wingman from the gang of strangers
2) take one #, or both #'s
3) push the duo into another group of people, and then semi isolate the main chick

But what I normally do is

4) stay on the chicks, through the night, after party/diner and "we" make sure the other chick gets home.

The fact that you're not keeping two+ people entertained isn't a knock to your game, it's just that you aren't talking to groups during the day when you're not trying to bang.

You don't learn to dribble during the finals.

Most guys will solve their approach anxiety and conversation problems by talking to strangers outside of game. The hurdle after those is escalation.

WIA

Post: #4014

Da breakdown

(01-10-2017 02:45 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  This is all me at night game:

Im a really tall mofo this is what I do straight out of the Mufasa rule book.

I get the girl I'm interested in's attention. Usually I'll wave, point at her, just anything. [warming up cold approach is smart move, always better to go in after a girl acknowledges you]. Wave her over if she doesnt come I walk closer and stick my hand out over her friends or people in the area and then I'll pull her in closer to me--preferably through her friends [nice move, fast escalation, if done properly it looks smooth and waaaay better than typical escalating ON girl. AND he still offer his hand to her instead of just grabbing it, classic HAND OF GOD. good move to escalate in groups cause everybody sees that the girl gives you her hand so nobody objects to that, well usually just in general guys.. always pull girls towards you instead of pushing yourself on them, whether you wanna touch or tell her something to her ear, you bring her to you. ok now girl bites, SHE agrees to the escalation so nobody in the group can say shit. friends handled for a while. besides, nice investment from the girl herself, lets admit, bit risky move right off the bat, even with IOIs. when it fails you can still recover, laugh it off and make fun of your hand hanging, etc, or do whatever the fuck, it doesn't matter. it's bold but still smart bold, not dumb oblivious idiot bold]. You've already got her by the hand and then drop the hand move it to her low back pull her in close (pelvis to pelvis close or your leg to her pelvis--kinda like she's about to straddle your leg) and lean my head to her ear and ask her what her name is. [once she agrees to quick escalation she's invested in upwards spiral so to speak, so going further makes sense now. friends can just watch now cause she agreed previously. shit i can add more content in the comments than the post i'm commenting].

I then turn it my head so she can speak into my ear. [i'd pull her in closer to me instead of leaning but oh well]. Then I make winning eye contact like two reincarnated lost soulmates finally finding each other and say "nice to meet you" & a slight smile--like you're happy to meet her but you don't want her to catch you too happy, like your happiness just slipped through a crack in your masculine shell. [this is probably his killer move here, i can imagine. he pulled her in from the group, he's very close now and holds deep eye contact. she's kind of wet now. they could easily kiss passionately but friends might still freak out so gotta be careful. if he takes her head in both his hands like THIS then she is already his]

If you pulled her through her friends they all saw this go down from her decision to comply with you, to her basically running through her friends to talk to you, to y'all being in embrace whispering in each others ears. They should leave you alone as long as you are close. [yup]

Try to do as much flirting as possible before buying her a drink and move that hand around her back. Girls like being petted so pretend she's a kitty cat purring at your great petting skills [much better than groping all over girl's ass etc]. After its clear that she's not using you for free alcohol take her to the bar for a drink. "lets go get a drink" grab her hand and start walking. Chat her by the bar drink your drinks/shot and flirt some more. At some point it should become obvious that she wants to make out so do that too. Then suggest dancing at another place.[he can do a lot now, depends on preferences, nothing wrong with that]

Lead her out of there whether her friends are looking or not and then you just run your game like its a date. When dancing I like nibbling on the ears and kissing her neck [underestimated move in my opinion, caressing neck and ears area is much better than straight up kissing, i mean in public place for sure]. A stern rule of 2-4 drinks/shots is enough then make out and bounce to your place. [here is lottery to me cause he doesn't know shit about her situation that night. it doesn't matter that it's going easy so far, she might be unavailable for million reasons, and if she is then all that quick and intense overescalating in da club will turn into buyer's remorse next day and she's just a flake waiting to happen]

If her friends catch you leaving with her tell them you're going to go dance at XYZ [that's what happens when you ignore them all the way.. they buy that going dance together?], if it gets to the point where you know y'all are about to fight over the girl stop and get her number and bounce [figuring out logistics and throwing some group dynamics game takes care of that drama]. Talk in her ear again how you'll text her to come meet you blah blah blah & make out with her again infront of her friends--fuck those lonely loser bitches ego trip, last resort move since she's 90% flake now so who really cares haha]

Text her if you want--I honestly have never had success texting her to ditch her friends. I would suggest getting her out for a weeknight drink. [no reason why she would do it if you do not come to at least neutral terms with her friends]

Shit works for me. [that's all that matters]

Other ways I'll approach is walk up wrap my arms around a few of them and ask them whats up or for their names[nice hit or miss move]

Stop them as they're walking by and ask them for their names [i like asking them.. so which one of you has the coolest name?]

If they are by the bar I'll walk up to the bar while making my way I make eye contact with the target and talk to her while I get in line/order my drink [standard]

Make fun of what they are wearing. Once I opened a group of girls dressed in black by asking them where the funeral was at funny unless it actually happened recently]

Post: #4015

(01-10-2017 05:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Dealing with two girls is harder than dealing with 3 girls.

If your interaction goes well with the target, the other girl is left out. She's more likely to block.

So you have some options

1) recruit a wingman from the gang of strangers
2) take one #, or both #'s
3) push the duo into another group of people, and then semi isolate the main chick

But what I normally do is

4) stay on the chicks, through the night, after party/diner and "we" make sure the other chick gets home.

#4 highest chance move no question. Game on + time spent + taking care of friends + jealousy going on = win

True, 2set is one of a kind thing. It's either tiring babysitting both till the end, hit or miss wingman game, or fail.

Post: #4016

(01-10-2017 05:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Colbl

Dealing with two girls is harder than dealing with 3 girls.

If your interaction goes well with the target, the other girl is left out. She's more likely to block.

So you have some options

1) recruit a wingman from the gang of strangers
2) take one #, or both #'s
3) push the duo into another group of people, and then semi isolate the main chick

But what I normally do is

4) stay on the chicks, through the night, after party/diner and "we" make sure the other chick gets home.

The fact that you're not keeping two+ people entertained isn't a knock to your game, it's just that you aren't talking to groups during the day when you're not trying to bang.

You don't learn to dribble during the finals.

Most guys will solve their approach anxiety and conversation problems by talking to strangers outside of game. The hurdle after those is escalation.

WIA

Lol you see right through me. I don't have much opportunity to talk to a group of girls during the day. It's nerve racking really.

What I notice about trying to get laid at night is you're dealing with groups. There's just no way around it. So gotta make it work.

Post: #4017

(01-10-2017 05:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 05:18 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Who wants to break down Mufasa's post?

WIA

I read nothing about figuring out logistics before the pull. To me that's #1 thing to know before trying anything further.

But he said going blind works for him well so all is good

Haha, we're old school. The other side of the game is that if she chooses and the group acquiesces, she may solve her logistics for him.

I think there are lessons in what he's doing, but analysis is required.

The glaring problem with a shorter guy using it is an easy game puzzle.

WIA

If you're short wear shoe lifts. You can go from 5'9 to 6ft

Post: #4018

(01-10-2017 07:29 PM)colblionel Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 05:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 05:18 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Who wants to break down Mufasa's post?

WIA

I read nothing about figuring out logistics before the pull. To me that's #1 thing to know before trying anything further.

But he said going blind works for him well so all is good

Haha, we're old school. The other side of the game is that if she chooses and the group acquiesces, she may solve her logistics for him.

I think there are lessons in what he's doing, but analysis is required.

The glaring problem with a shorter guy using it is an easy game puzzle.

WIA

If you're short wear shoe lifts. You can go from 5'9 to 6ft

Haha.

That can work - but you're playing the tall man's game against tall men.
That's like renting a Ferrari to roll up to the Billionaire's Party. You're going to lose that game going head to head.

The key to recognize there is the boldness of the move.

A tall man is socially allowed to be bold, to be dominant.

A shorter man is not - which means that when he does it - he should expect some shit for it.

But....if he knows that folks are gonna break left on him given the situation - he can be prepared.

And if he's really pimping, he can bait that shit - let people go for the obvious - and then have something for that ass when folks pop off.

No one ever expects the underdog to man up. When he does, he gets more points than an average dude doing average shit.

WIA

Post: #4019

(01-10-2017 06:19 PM)XXL Wrote:  Da breakdown

(01-10-2017 02:45 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  This is all me at night game:

Im a really tall mofo this is what I do straight out of the Mufasa rule book.

I get the girl I'm interested in's attention. Usually I'll wave, point at her, just anything. [warming up cold approach is smart move, always better to go in after a girl acknowledges you]. Wave her over if she doesnt come I walk closer and stick my hand out over her friends or people in the area and then I'll pull her in closer to me--preferably through her friends [nice move, fast escalation, if done properly it looks smooth and waaaay better than typical escalating ON girl. AND he still offer his hand to her instead of just grabbing it, classic HAND OF GOD. good move to escalate in groups cause everybody sees that the girl gives you her hand so nobody objects to that, well usually just in general guys.. always pull girls towards you instead of pushing yourself on them, whether you wanna touch or tell her something to her ear, you bring her to you. ok now girl bites, SHE agrees to the escalation so nobody in the group can say shit. friends handled for a while. besides, nice investment from the girl herself, lets admit, bit risky move right off the bat, even with IOIs. when it fails you can still recover, laugh it off and make fun of your hand hanging, etc, or do whatever the fuck, it doesn't matter. it's bold but still smart bold, not dumb oblivious idiot bold].

Yea had a few of these lol. I'll typically give myself a high five and then start talking to the girl friends.
Everything and everyone is in play now.

Quote:I then turn it my head so she can speak into my ear. [i'd pull her in closer to me instead of leaning but oh well]. Then I make winning eye contact like two reincarnated lost soulmates finally finding each other and say "nice to meet you" & a slight smile--like you're happy to meet her but you don't want her to catch you too happy, like your happiness just slipped through a crack in your masculine shell. [this is probably his killer move here, i can imagine. he pulled her in from the group, he's very close now and holds deep eye contact. she's kind of wet now. they could easily kiss passionately but friends might still freak out so gotta be careful. if he takes her head in both his hands like THIS then she is already his]

shit now that I think about it I do this. Eventually one hand goes roaming tho lol
Also at this point theres enough space between me and the friends where they couldn't get to me quick enough and stop me if they wanted to.

Quote:If her friends catch you leaving with her tell them you're going to go dance at XYZ [that's what happens when you ignore them all the way.. they buy that going dance together?], if it gets to the point where you know y'all are about to fight over the girl stop and get her number and bounce [figuring out logistics and throwing some group dynamics game takes care of that drama]. Talk in her ear again how you'll text her to come meet you blah blah blah & make out with her again infront of her friends--fuck those lonely loser bitches ego trip, last resort move since she's 90% flake now so who really cares haha]

Everything up until this point takes care of the friends wanting to break shit up. Plus its easy for them to miss me leaving since they all have each other to be preoccupied with. I've never been caught leaving the bar with the girl to go dance. Maybe Im just a ninja...but I just chalk it up to everything up to the point of dancing.

BUT I have been caught leaving the dance to go home and that shit is fireworks.
The mother hen tried to make me out be on some predator type shit. I was in luck her friends kinda we on my side since they saw everything in the beginning of the pick up and didn't pile on--shit coulda went south hard core.

I read any and everything on blowing up cockblocks after that.



This also just occurred to me:
During this Christmas break I did this with a 5'11" girl surrounded by her tall ass friends--shit was like a meeting of the Amazonessess on the dance floor I shit you not.
One of the girls was a tinder match that gave me her number before she stopped responding to my texts. She recognized me immediately and told another one of her friends immediately who I was.

My girl and I run shit smoothly but tinder-bitch (despite having her own dude already that she's making out with) is not having it at all.
What proceeded to happen was tinder-bitch sending waves of her dude friends attempting to break my shit up. handled those fuckers like



When I tried to bounce venues tinder-bitch pops up and asks where were going. I tell her my girl likes me and were going next door for a shot. Tinder-girl and her pack of flunkies follow. The night ends with a few makeouts and a number exchange.
We later made date plans (another story for another time...tinder-bitch won).

The reason I bring this up is because I had this chick by the ovaries. She was constantly looking at me with this dreamy ass look and was in complete compliance with me. I said several times that her friends don't like me-- ALL were met with a confirmation of sorts. Several times she answered back "they're just jealous." So I really think that everything leading up to the venue change matters not so much on making the friends null-and-void. But turning the target into your biggest proponent.

Post: #4020

(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Who wants to break down Mufasa's post?

WIA

I see Mufasa's method as a way to get flaked on. Get the girl really hot in front of her friends, then ask for a number. She will feel slutty afterwards. I prefer going slower which can make the girl feel like she is not being gamed but next thing she knows she has feelings for you after 1 hour.

Post: #4021

All this talk of opening groups got me thinking. Older guys in here are writing about opening groups, ignoring the target, friend dynamics, etc. Young guys are taking notes "damn I need to try that..."

I look back at my game highlight reel, trying to think of when I actually gamed a group? Very few instances. There are times when I've gamed girls in a group of 2 or 3, but I'll talk to one girl then talk to the other, never all together.

Why? The music is too fucking loud. Most of my pickup happens in nightclubs where it is too loud to talk to a whole group. You gotta talk to chicks one by one, bending down and yelling in their year.

I don't go up to the group and ask an opinion...I go up to the chick I like and grab her.

Young guys chime in. I'm 24. With house parties being the obvious exception, I'd say 90% of game for 23-30 year olds is in loud ass nightclubs. In my experience young girls are too insecure to go to a bar on Tuesday to hang out and get picked up.

So which one is it...do young guys not know group game because we are ignorant, or because it's become unnecessary as aggressive game dominates the club? Chicken or the egg?

Post: #4022

Group game seems like a pretty necessary component to night game for me - girls don't go to nightclubs by themselves.

I've never pulled from nightclub game (except one notch where I did just go up to her on a dance floor and banged an hour later...maybe I just need to accept that aggressive nightclub game is a numbers game).

Post: #4023

(01-11-2017 02:47 PM)redbeard Wrote:  All this talk of opening groups got me thinking. Older guys in here are writing about opening groups, ignoring the target, friend dynamics, etc. Young guys are taking notes "damn I need to try that..."

I look back at my game highlight reel, trying to think of when I actually gamed a group? Very few instances. There are times when I've gamed girls in a group of 2 or 3, but I'll talk to one girl then talk to the other, never all together.

Why? The music is too fucking loud. Most of my pickup happens in nightclubs where it is too loud to talk to a whole group. You gotta talk to chicks one by one, bending down and yelling in their year.

I don't go up to the group and ask an opinion...I go up to the chick I like and grab her.

Young guys chime in. I'm 24. With house parties being the obvious exception, I'd say 90% of game for 23-30 year olds is in loud ass nightclubs. In my experience young girls are too insecure to go to a bar on Tuesday to hang out and get picked up.

So which one is it...do young guys not know group game because we are ignorant, or because it's become unnecessary as aggressive game dominates the club? Chicken or the egg?

I gave up going to clubs couple years ago. Too loud. I mainly go to bars. Easier to talk and pickup. Still have to deal with groups regardless.

In America girls out in as a pair or in groups. That's just the culture.

Only place I've seen girls go out by themselves is Africa.

Post: #4024

(01-11-2017 05:15 PM)colblionel Wrote:  Only place I've seen girls go out by themselves is Africa.

Solo in Africa? Which country?

Post: #4025

(01-11-2017 02:47 PM)redbeard Wrote:  All this talk of opening groups got me thinking. Older guys in here are writing about opening groups, ignoring the target, friend dynamics, etc. Young guys are taking notes "damn I need to try that..."

I look back at my game highlight reel, trying to think of when I actually gamed a group? Very few instances. There are times when I've gamed girls in a group of 2 or 3, but I'll talk to one girl then talk to the other, never all together.

Why? The music is too fucking loud. Most of my pickup happens in nightclubs where it is too loud to talk to a whole group. You gotta talk to chicks one by one, bending down and yelling in their year.

I don't go up to the group and ask an opinion...I go up to the chick I like and grab her.

Young guys chime in. I'm 24. With house parties being the obvious exception, I'd say 90% of game for 23-30 year olds is in loud ass nightclubs. In my experience young girls are too insecure to go to a bar on Tuesday to hang out and get picked up.

So which one is it...do young guys not know group game because we are ignorant, or because it's become unnecessary as aggressive game dominates the club? Chicken or the egg?

I agree that a club is very loud. What I say is irrelevant in there cos the music is blaring. Maybe game happens outside the club or if you can get her to a more quiet area. Maybe you got dance game. But I can't say nothing decent unless it's a bar/lounge.

I pulled a lizard last year from a club. It wasn't same night pull. The club has a roof area where you can go up and look down on the club district and so forth. Some lizards and guys go there to relax and get away from the bustle in the club. I saw her with her friends and hit her with the 'I'm new to town' gist. I got her.

Point being, I don't see how to crack club game when the club is loud. If it's a group, you got to bend down (or lean up) and yowl in the ear of every lizard in the group. But I could be wrong.