(12-11-2016 02:53 AM)Parzival Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 09:33 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  Our factory helpers helped Germany achieve that industrial boom. We did contribute to Germany positively.

This is a modern legend. Its sometimes spins that way that Turks re-build Germany after the war. German economy was already running good. Turks came to Germany because the USA demand it because of their NATO politics.

The first generation of turks was secular, the 2nd and mostly the 3rd did turn into criminals. Not all of them but there are issues with them. Still I prefer them over Arab Muslims. The nationalistic pride of Turks is a hidden bomb in the German society. Also the districts with mainly turks are among the lost districts. It seem like Germany got the lower members of Turkey. Turks can be great people but also among the worst.

The same can be said of any other nation...even Germans...

The question is, how to deal with the bad ones. Still I think most people don't need to fear attacks from a German.

(12-10-2016 10:30 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I used to play Starcraft and during multiplayer matches I used to take fast, expendable units and harry enemy forces, luring them into a different enemy's base. After that, mopping up was a cinch.

Erdogan shifting to Putin after the supposed coup attempt and now talk of invader surges after Turkish refugee camps have been dissolved?

This whole thing is starting to feel very familiar.

Mark my words when Europe is unstable Russia will go in and take the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, hell maybe they will even take Finland. All without firing a single shot and NATO will sit back and do absolutely nothing. I hope Poland is ready to get over their sour grapes with Russia because they will need them.

We Serbs are one with Russia because they are our brothers. Even though i have my doubts sometimes about Putin. (It is never good to fully trust a politician). I like the message and image he portrays on the outside but then some of the things regarding islam in particular the illegal labor of the former republics i do not like.

@likeaballer
Erdogan is a mouse walking into a trap. You think Putin forgot about that plane Erdogan shot down? The funding to ISIS? If you think everything is ok now and we are friends than you do not know Russians my friend. Putin knows what a snake Erdogan is and sooner or later him and the rest of Turkey will get fucked.

(12-11-2016 03:34 AM)Parzival Wrote:  The question is, how to deal with the bad ones. Still I think most people don't need to fear attacks from a German.

Are you so sure??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_F...to_the_RAF

Also nowhere is it known that Turks are prone to terror attacks or jihad. They love pussy too much to die for Allah.

Quote: I don't see any infrastructure in Africa

You might want to use Google Street view, grab a history book or even read Tin-tin, mate...

(12-11-2016 03:48 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 03:34 AM)Parzival Wrote:  The question is, how to deal with the bad ones. Still I think most people don't need to fear attacks from a German.

Are you so sure??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_F...to_the_RAF

Also nowhere is it known that Turks are prone to terror attacks or jihad. They love pussy too much to die for Allah.

They were leftist radicals - communists. In the end 1960s to 1970s there was a massive push in most Western countries in almost all schools and universities to paint every business-owner and rich man as the devil. The RAF was the end result of that.

And besides - all those attacks were nothing to Jihad - that number would be multiple pages long going back from the 1970s.

(12-11-2016 04:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 03:48 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 03:34 AM)Parzival Wrote:  The question is, how to deal with the bad ones. Still I think most people don't need to fear attacks from a German.

Are you so sure??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_F...to_the_RAF

Also nowhere is it known that Turks are prone to terror attacks or jihad. They love pussy too much to die for Allah.

They were leftist radicals - communists. In the end 1960s to 1970s there was a massive push in most Western countries in almost all schools and universities to paint every business-owner and rich man as the devil. The RAF was the end result of that.

And besides - all those attacks were nothing to Jihad - that number would be multiple pages long going back from the 1970s.

Zel... where those Jihad attacks made by Turks? Please answer in fashion and not by heart.

(12-11-2016 04:11 AM)Rocha Wrote:  Zel... where those Jihad attacks made by Turks? Please answer in fashion and not by heart.

No - very few terrorists are Turks, which bolsters the statements made by Akif Pirincci. But I can tell you what - anyone who takes Islam seriously is on the way to become a terrorist. That is why many white Christian converts become radical or join ISIS. In effect they become better Muslims than the Turks. Besides - there are now countless terrorist acts in Turkey being done by Turks, so you can relax- more Turks will become Jihadis. Hundreds have died in Turkey since a year and more will die until a Caliphate rules again in Turkey.

And there are radical Turkish preachers who do send Jihadis to ISIS: http://www.vosizneias.com/218937/2015/10...of-jews-2/

But if you think that inviting 50 mio. Turks to Europe will enrich the continent, then I would propose that Portugal takes in 20 mio. and we can talk then how you like it.

(12-11-2016 04:24 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 04:11 AM)Rocha Wrote:  Zel... where those Jihad attacks made by Turks? Please answer in fashion and not by heart.

No - very few terrorists are Turks, which bolsters the statements made by Akif Pirincci. But I can tell you what - anyone who takes Islam seriously is on the way to become a terrorist. That is why many white Christian converts become radical or join ISIS. In effect they become better Muslims than the Turks. Besides - there are now countless terrorist acts in Turkey being done by Turks, so you can relax- more Turks will become Jihadis. Hundreds have died in Turkey since a year and more will die until a Caliphate rules again in Turkey.

And there are radical Turkish preachers who do send Jihadis to ISIS: http://www.vosizneias.com/218937/2015/10...of-jews-2/

But if you think that inviting 50 mio. Turks to Europe will enrich the continent, then I would propose that Portugal takes in 20 mio. and we can talk then how you like it.

Nonsense...I expected better from you.

I see Rochas point. Germans are bad and so they deserve what comes to them.

Albanian enrichment in Vienna. Stabs two Poles. One dead.

Albanian Migrant On The Run After Stabbing in Vienna

Quote: An Albanian migrant wielding a knife attacked two men of Polish extraction leading to one fatality and severe injuries to the other man in Vienna’s heavily migrant-populated district.
Witnesses say the incident emerged out of an argument at a bar on the Quellenstrasse in the district of Favoriten in the early hours of Friday morning. According to reports two Polish men, aged 34 and 37, got into a heated argument with an Albanian migrant who took out a knife stabbing both Poles, injuring the 37-year-old and killing the 34-year-old, Austria’s Kronen Zeiting reports.

After the stabbing took place, the Albanian immediately fled the scene of the incident and managed to evade capture by the Vienna police. Both Polish men were stabbed multiple times with the 34-year-old man being stabbed 5 times and ultimately succumbing to his wounds, dying 30 minutes after the attack in an ambulance en-route to a nearby hospital. The second victim was taken to hospital with serious injuries.

In the morning after the incident, blood marks could still be observed on the walls outside the cafe where the attack took place and the owners of the cafe were reluctant to report the incident to the media, likely fearing bad publicity.

Vienna police officer Patrick Maierhofer said “witnesses have indicated that the offender may be known by name,” and that the police had already searched a house in the Floridsdorf district on the other side of the city, which appeared to be empty.

The authorities say they are still investigating the scene of the attack to try and piece together clues that will lead them to the suspect including gathering any potential CCTV footage of the nearby area.

Officer Maierhofer said that the cause for the argument was still unclear and that it was likely that the Albanian migrant had the knife on him before the fight took place.

The Favoriten district was also the location of an attempted mass murder in October when a man shouting “Allah-u-Akbar” tried to run people over with his car reminiscent of the Nice terror attack earlier this year.

The attack, which also took place on Quellenstrasse, is said to have been an homage to the attack by a Muslim in Graz, again where he used his vehicle as a weapon to run down his victims, as it occurred on the same day the Graz attacker was found guilty of murder by an Austrian court.

The case also bears similarity to the attack in the heavily Turkish district of Ottakring earlier in the year in which a Gambian asylum seeker stabbed a cleaning woman to death while she was on her way to work in the early hours of the day.

Atleast that crazy fuck in Graz got a court sentence. Probably only 2 years though.

Vienna is one the worst cities affected by migrants in Europe. I have been assaulted myself there aswell by a group of Albanians and Chechens.

Good news is that Austria voted for the green party, that will keep them safe.

(12-11-2016 04:32 AM)Rocha Wrote:  Nonsense...I expected better from you.

And indeed - in the hyperreality of the internet everything seems worse than it is. Or some people seem better than they are.

We can meet one day over a beer and discuss all things. My philosophy sounds only harsh until you get the full picture and don't get stuck up on a few minor points.

I do believe in reincarnation by the way, so I might be born a Turk in my next life. But my opinions will not budge hopefully much - hehe. I will probably turn out to be more of an Akif Pirincci than a Jihadi.

(12-11-2016 04:49 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 04:32 AM)Rocha Wrote:  Nonsense...I expected better from you.

And indeed - in the hyperreality of the internet everything seems worse than it is. Or some people seem better than they are.

We can meet one day over a beer and discuss all things. My philosophy sounds only harsh until you get the full picture and don't get stuck up on a few minor points.

I do believe in reincarnation by the way, so I might be born a Turk in my next life. But my opinions will not budge hopefully much - hehe. I will probably turn out to be more of an Akif Pirincci than a Jihadi.

As-salamu alaykum for your next life

(12-11-2016 02:53 AM)Parzival Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 09:33 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  Our factory helpers helped Germany achieve that industrial boom. We did contribute to Germany positively.

The first generation of turks was secular, the 2nd and mostly the 3rd did turn into criminals.

Do you have any source for your claim. I can 100% assure you what you said is wrong. In the 60's and 70's the people who went to Germany were from the rural parts of Turkey and were FAR from secular. Germany got our 3rd or even 4th class citizens. There is even a derogatory term for people who went to Germany at that time, they are called "alamancı". The secular Turks immigrated to the US, and in US nearly all 1st generation Turkish immigrants belong to the upper middle class and are secular.

When most Turks in Germany were factory workers etc, turks in US were engineers, doctors, professors etc.

Please don't want false claims to prove your point by saying 1st gen turks in Germany were secular, because I as a Turk know from which pillar of society people went there, you might convince some people here who are already biased like Zelcorpion, but you won't convince me.

For most people their idea if integration is when people become assimilated and lose their language/culture/religion . We've seen it happen in the states, 3rd/4th generation Americans who are of Italian/German descent etc cant speak Italian or German. Look in the last 2000 years we've formed 16 states, we've lost 15 of them. Turks have a huge sense of national identity and I am proud to see 3rd generation Turks in Germany still practicing their religion and speaking Turkish. This might be "lack of integration" for you, but for me this is something to the proud of.

(12-11-2016 02:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  


Here is how school looks like for the few native Germans who are unable to move out of Turk-dominated areas.




Here another report - everyone having problems with them except for one German teenage girl who converted to Islam for her Turkish boyfriend - great success story.

By the way - the current generation 3rd or 4th - of Turks is getting radicalized to the utmost. You might see a resurgance of the Caliphate again, but then this will end in complete destruction and elimination of most.

Also the cultures of the West are destroyed by globalist propaganda - the same propaganda that is certainly supporting and financing the radicalization of Islam and Turkey. So who is falling into whose trap? It is possible that the globalists will use the West and China to one day wipe out Islam completely.

There is no alternative to secularization - do it similarly to the Chinese or Japanese - keep your culture, but copy all the good stuff - and no - Islam is not the good stuff.

By the way - I wish only good to the Turks, they are warm, hospitable, passionate people. I prefer them to go forward into the future in modernity and not be obliterated in the fiery ball of radicalization, which only sets them up for a war by the globalists. And modernity is not SJW-leftism. The Japanese also have barely a religious background, but can keep their culture intact.

I am against radical islam too. But Turks are not radical never were. Maybe out of 1000000 terror attacks commited 1 is Turkish. The rest are either wahabi or north africans. Don't put us in the same group as wahabis and north africans.

Turks probably practice the best form is Islam where occasional Alcohol drinking is even ok culturally. We're not new to Europe, we've been living in Europe for 500 years and please do not associate Turks with Radicalism or Terrorism. Islamic Terror attacks against the west have been on the agenda for roughly 20 years. Our history in Europe dates back 500 years. We're not the culprits.

(12-11-2016 05:43 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 02:53 AM)Parzival Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 09:33 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  Our factory helpers helped Germany achieve that industrial boom. We did contribute to Germany positively.

The first generation of turks was secular, the 2nd and mostly the 3rd did turn into criminals.

Do you have any source for your claim. I can 100% assure you what you said is wrong. In the 60's and 70's the people who went to Germany were from the rural parts of Turkey and were FAR from secular. Germany got our 3rd or even 4th class citizens. The secular Turks immigrated to the US, and in US nearly all 1st generation Turkish immigrants belong to the upper middle class and are secular.

When most Turks in Germany were factory workers etc, turks in US were engineers, doctors, professors etc.

Please don't want false claims to prove your point by saying 1st gen turks in Germany were secular, because I as a Turk know from which pillar of society people went there, you might convince some people here who are already biased like Zelcorpion, but you won't convince me.

We got the ones from the rural areas that stick to their old traditional ways of live and still the influence of Attaturk was still strong in those days. It was just the whole climate back then in Turkey and the middle east that hold radical Islam down. So those people lived on their own and did not care much about other stuff.
This is what I mean. The issues we did face then in the later generations when those people did pass on their views how to rise on their kids.

By explain it better, the first generation we got was not political or religious active. Still they had be high stuck in their rural customs, it just was out of the sign of most people in Germany back then.
Turkey is a very interesting country. In some areas you have a western lifestyle and in the next you have backward one. Also there are plenty of religious and ethnic groups in Turkey. Alevits create almost no problems for example.

(12-11-2016 06:12 AM)Parzival Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 05:43 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 02:53 AM)Parzival Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 09:33 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  Our factory helpers helped Germany achieve that industrial boom. We did contribute to Germany positively.

The first generation of turks was secular, the 2nd and mostly the 3rd did turn into criminals.

Do you have any source for your claim. I can 100% assure you what you said is wrong. In the 60's and 70's the people who went to Germany were from the rural parts of Turkey and were FAR from secular. Germany got our 3rd or even 4th class citizens. The secular Turks immigrated to the US, and in US nearly all 1st generation Turkish immigrants belong to the upper middle class and are secular.

When most Turks in Germany were factory workers etc, turks in US were engineers, doctors, professors etc.

Please don't want false claims to prove your point by saying 1st gen turks in Germany were secular, because I as a Turk know from which pillar of society people went there, you might convince some people here who are already biased like Zelcorpion, but you won't convince me.

We got the ones from the rural areas that stick to their old traditional ways of live and still the influence of Attaturk was still strong in those days. It was just the whole climate back then in Turkey and the middle east that hold radical Islam down. So those people lived on their own and did not care much about other stuff.
This is what I mean. The issues we did face then in the later generations when those people did pass on their views how to rise on their kids.

By explain it better, the first generation we got was not political or religious active. Still they had be high stuck in their rural customs, it just was out of the sign of most people in Germany back then.
Turkey is a very interesting country. In some areas you have a western lifestyle and in the next you have backward one. Also there are plenty of religious and ethnic groups in Turkey. Alevits create almost no problems for example.

Yes it is interesting indeed. Because Alevis are very integrated in Germany don't create any problems but in Turkey they are a pain in the ass. A lot of them support far left Marxist terrorist organizations like the PKK and DHKP-C .

If the 1st generation of Turks who went to Germany actually embraced Kemalist values, then their kids would even be more secular. Going from secular to non-secular is very rare its usually the other way around.

There was a personality cult about Ataturk in the 60s and 70s, even if you criticized him slightly you would end up in jail. I'm sure many of them would tell you they love Ataturk in those years out of fear of going to jail, but deep down did they really love him? This is the question you should ask. His personality cult was probably second only to Stalin and the leader of North Korea etc. The fucked up thing is during the years when Ataturk was alive there wasn't a personality cult like that, we were probably the only nation who had a personality cult for a dead man.

It's not hard to see that both muslims and westerns fighting to death is good for one particular group of people (yes jews).I'm not talking about all jews,just about the bankers and the most influential families of the world (who just happen to be jews) : Soros,Rockefeller,Rothschild...
I'm against racism but I'm always open for facts,and ALL over the world most radical groups are financed deep down by the same group of people,honestly post WW2 era has been shit for the whole world.
Left vs Right...in the end both these ideologies benefit the same group of people while everyone is their puppet.
Commies live in their fucking dream world while Captalists know about economy but give no shits to the world,life and culture...and both ideologies have the same owners.

I don't like these threads really,they are very dangerous

Turkish Islam was certainly more moderate but it had the following aspects:

+ aggressive Jihad - non-stop wars
+ slavery up until the 1950s - 40% of Istanbul were slaves up until the 1950s - many of them European - constant raids in Europe and purchases of robbed women and men - the men if strong became warriors, servants or got their balls and dicks cut off, the women became low servants or concubines - the lucky few became wives
+ barbarism in legal system
+ poll tax for every non-Muslim - Jizya
+ generally low education and proliferation of rampant degeneracy among the ruling class - the robbed European Janissars were much better warriors and administrators than the local Turks
+ Sultans were basically 99,9% European stock, some were great warrirors, but the harem system was ridiculous and let even women rule for a long time
+ science only limited and varying from one Sultan to the next - one promoted it a bit, while another ordered certain elements eliminated 100 years later - you cannot build scientific progress on that

If that is moderate Islam, then it is still crap and would keep humanity in the middle ages. That is what Kemal Attaturk recognized and why he modernized Turkey. I wonder why this is so hard to understand for modern Turks. One should be able to criticize their ancestors without invalidating all achievement. But self-critique is not known in the Muslim world and I do not expect anything else. IN contrast the Christians critize themself way too much. Asians do it better showing everyone a big fuck you when someone mentions some war atrocity while still being willing to change many fundamental things as they recognize the superiority of the West on fundamental issues.

But don't take me wrong - if the Catholic church ruled completely then we would also be living in the Middle Ages. The Church held up many inventions and even fought against them.

It is generally a good idea to keep church and state seperate. And some religions are simply better than others. Also some systems far superior to others.

Turkey in 70 years will either become secular or it will be smoldering ruins with the remaining mosques being turned to night clubs. I doubt that the globalists will leave them any choice.

(12-11-2016 06:23 AM)Kharn Wrote:  I don't like these threads really,they are very dangerous

The danger is in keeping silent about it until the globalists are done with their big plans. That is what they actually prefer - read your fucking mainstream newspapers, watch your fucking mainstream news, say everything else is fake and conspiracies and then shut up about everything.

Critique should be given with detachment and not be instantly called racist and shut off.

(12-11-2016 06:28 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:23 AM)Kharn Wrote:  I don't like these threads really,they are very dangerous

The danger is in keeping silent about it until the globalists are done with their big plans. That is what they actually prefer - read your fucking mainstream newspapers, watch your fucking mainstream news, say everything else is fake and conspiracies and then shut up about everything.

Critique should be given with detachment and not be instantly called racist and shut off.

I agree with you on everything you said,media sucks,their owner sucks,if depends on them we will be nothing but lab rats.I just don't feel comfortable talking about this on the internet where we are powerless,I prefer discussing this on real life.

Ataturks idea was good but the thing is you can't force people to abandon their religion overnight and expect them to be secular. It's not realistic. These kind of pressures always backfire. Just like how Russia turned commie overnight and became Soviet Union. It went on for a good 80 years but it collapsed. Because the people didn't embrace those values, it was forced upon them by some guy who thought it was the best for that country.

I'd wager all my money in that if secularism wasn't forced on the late Ottoman Empire or Turkey, we would be more modern compared to today. Sometimes you have to leave events to their natural course. Ataturk thought he could make people abandon their religion overnight, but they become more radical and formed secret cults and societies etc. because of Kemalism another secret society arose, which is called the hizmet movement. They infiltrated all the military judiciary ranks in the hopes of turning Turkey to a sharia state, and they went all in on 15th July with that coup d'etat attempt.

The kemalist generals who were anti-erdogan stood by Erdogans side and thwarted that coup attempt even though they despised Erdogan.

Frankly there is so much crap going on with the current elite that it is possible that both Ataturk as well as Erdogan were/are globalist agents and are working for them anyway. They don't care about their own people like the useful psychopaths they are and they have their own agendas in place. They only have different agenda points to fulfill at different times.

There is no way in hell that the recent coup attempt was real or had any hope of success, but that should have been clear from the start.

Other indicators that not everything is as it seems is the fact that Turkey supports ISIS, buys crude from them, but also gets attacked by ISIS terrorists and Turkish citizens are getting slaughtered. So what is it now? Erdogan is in my opinion another globalist puppet and will do what his masters tell him to do.

By the way - funny fact - the Rockefellers were originally from Turkey and were super-wealthy living in the Ottoman empire before they moved to the US.