(10-31-2016 12:03 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: (10-31-2016 09:41 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: (10-31-2016 09:25 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: If history is anything to go by, the FBI will fight on regardless against any enemy surrounding them and will not stop till they're in prison or buried. They slipped up, shit happens. The important thing is they're onto something big that involves a lot of powerful people.
These people are not your average criminal involved in typical criminality so I am not surprised they are being tight lipped. This makes the criminals edgy and nervous.
Nothing looks bad like the FBI raiding your offices and carting away evidence by the truck load. Right now they're acquiring targets and moving to keep them in the US. No good comes out of a suspect fleeing to a country with no extradition pact.
Imagine some major Washington power player in handcuffs. Those optics will make SHTF immediately.
The FBI are not Democrats and this isn't a movie. We will see action when it comes.
This is not correct at all. J Edgar Hoover ruled the FBI with an iron fist, not because he was such a swell guy, but because he had insurance files on every single president, politician, and political activist. Everyone was very afraid of him. He played dirty and was innovative in his thinking. I can only think of the Pinkertons as an innovative equal on his level.
These FBI agents of today are both Democrats and Republicans. Comey's deputy is a Democrat and he and his wife are friends with the Clintons. Comey himself served on boards with Clinton connections and knows them.
Obama appointed him, don't forget that.
Comey is being forced to do his job because someone made a horrifyingly terrific mistake. Don't think for one second that they would not sweep this under the rug if it were possible to do so. If God himself is willing to let everything get exposed left and right, no amount of evil can possibly hope to cover it up. No one has a choice in that matter.
Neither of us know the true facts and I wasn't on about the dirt Hoover had on everyone. I was talking about the actual organised criminals and not politicians who got caught fucking some rent boy or some whore in a motel.
The FBI wasn't always some major force in the US, it had an infancy stage.
Comey is doing his job, but he isn't perfect and he is now correcting course. I'm not new to toxic politics either because what they have done in the UK with pedophile rings in powerful circles is just staggering.
This is why you don't have politics in federal law because the career federalists who want a political career cannot do very well if they sent people to prison or had others fired.
He was simply following his political mind and wanted to squirm out of it.
What are you talking about? You should watch that Hoover movie if you have a couple of hours to spare, or read a few books about him and the history of the FBI. Their infancy stage was very short and started with Hoover himself at the very beginning. He turned it into a force well before he destroyed the KKK. The FBI has never been a force to fuck with, with the notable exception of this and the Nixon case. We could delve into Mafia related blunders, but those are not all that straightforward. In the long run they pinched nearly all of the old style mafia.
Only right now, do we see a sign of political hackery going on inside. Alot of that has to do with a standing president being involved in the investigation, a presidential candidate being at the center of it, and several of the aides around both.
This has not really happened before.
Before anyone brings up Nixon, Hoover died the month before Mark Felt (AKA Deepthroat started feeding the press), and someone else was appointed to be the new FBI Director. Nixon was also running for reelection. If Obama was running for re-election right now, this would be a non-story, in his regard, I hate to say it.
A Mark Felt in this situation would actually be McCabe leaking to the press things for them to print. He was the Associate Director back then, number 2 in charge of the FBI.
Today, all of these guys at the top rank and file of the FBI are Democrats. Comey and McCabe. The DOJ is 100% completely Democrat from senior level to Lynch. This is not up for debate folks. These are facts. Read that WSJ article and you will realize the first investigation was dead on arrival. Add in the fact that there was no hardcore proof they deleted the email and avoided the subpoenas, Comey could easily drop it, and everyone at his level and above (in the Obama Administration) would get off his ass.
Now that all this new stuff was found, he cannot ignore it and is obligate to process it, otherwise he would get into felony territory on his own hide.
Also, your statement about this is why you cannot have politics in federal stuff, is off-point and not realistic. It will always be there. Whether Comey or a future director needs more funding or a new stronger law to fight terrorism or mafias, they will have to play. Hoover played it anytime he needed to. Politics affects everyone and anything around it. It is naive to think otherwise as well as to think you can structure a system of governance around that problem. The closest thing to that is lifetime appointments, like the Supreme Court. Even then, that isn't perfect outside of judiciary appointments.
This is yet again, another situation of "Who watches the watchers?" The FBI is not designed well to investigate a president or operate functionally without DOJ support. Our system isn't foolproof, and very few people ever snitch on their bosses, which is why at some point voters have to be responsible and elect the right folks into office. Our style of democracy is called a Representative Democracy for a good reason.