(09-20-2016 12:32 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:06 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The door policy was discussed about 10 pages before, can we get off this topic.

I agree with you although I'm glad it was brought up again... I think it needs to be emphasized to others to stop dressing like crap and hold ourselves to a higher standard.

Your putting emphasis on the clothing, yes I agree it is important to dress a certain way.

I wear dress shoes that cost more than most people's suits, I say this not to brag but to show you that I still get turned away from clubs.

The real issue isn't clothing, it is deeper than that.

So let's focus on the positive, you stated that you were getting into promoting.

That is one way of assuring you get into the club.

Black banks need to make sound investment decisions. To finance a hospitality business, need a expertise on both sides of the table.

WIA

(09-05-2016 07:22 PM)Iso Wrote:  I'm going to eat somewhat eat crow.

I went to Berlin with the mentality I displayed in my earlier posts. Long story short, I got rejected at like 4 different clubs during the stay. I wore jeans and short sleeve vneck. But, in some of the clubs I went to, no one was dressed up in typical American club attire. They were dressed in all black like they were going to a funeral. Berlin Hipsters have weird fashion tastes (dark clothes, piercings, tattoos, half shaved heads, purple hair, etc.). I can't say whether I got rejected because of my clothes, black skin, lack of hipster look, body language, bouncer having a bad day, etc.

Observations about Berlin:
-A lot of fewer Africans than the rest of Europe. You will see some during the day trying to solicit you for drugs, but surprisingly they aren't out at night. I'm guessing they are different clubs that accept Africans
-I saw 3 hot girls who were like 8's in dresses and high heels get rejected at the door. They didn't dress like anyone else at the club but I was still surprised because I'm used to the U.S. where clubs beg hot girls to come.
-The music in Berlin is shit. Lots of EDM and techno crap. The kind of music that you cant dance to unless you are on drugs.
-I didn't get any blowouts with German girls. They are hard to crack because they come off as cold, but they will ask questions about you if you start a conversation.
-Prague is a pretty good place for black guys if you can find the non-touristy venues. Very few Africans there. Daygame is better because all the hot girls are out during the day but avoid the touristy clubs filled with Brits. I got a few blatant stares on the subway system.

I got back from Berlin about 2 weeks ago. I was all over the place and only had an issue getting into Club Der Visonare. I was with German wings and they explained to me if you are too dressed up you will be turned away. Berliners have this thing against obvious displays of wealth. I wore jeans a dressy tshirt and boots. Check my datasheet https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58358...pid1398184

(09-20-2016 03:38 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 07:22 PM)Iso Wrote:  I'm going to eat somewhat eat crow.

I went to Berlin with the mentality I displayed in my earlier posts. Long story short, I got rejected at like 4 different clubs during the stay. I wore jeans and short sleeve vneck. But, in some of the clubs I went to, no one was dressed up in typical American club attire. They were dressed in all black like they were going to a funeral. Berlin Hipsters have weird fashion tastes (dark clothes, piercings, tattoos, half shaved heads, purple hair, etc.). I can't say whether I got rejected because of my clothes, black skin, lack of hipster look, body language, bouncer having a bad day, etc.

Observations about Berlin:
-A lot of fewer Africans than the rest of Europe. You will see some during the day trying to solicit you for drugs, but surprisingly they aren't out at night. I'm guessing they are different clubs that accept Africans
-I saw 3 hot girls who were like 8's in dresses and high heels get rejected at the door. They didn't dress like anyone else at the club but I was still surprised because I'm used to the U.S. where clubs beg hot girls to come.
-The music in Berlin is shit. Lots of EDM and techno crap. The kind of music that you cant dance to unless you are on drugs.
-I didn't get any blowouts with German girls. They are hard to crack because they come off as cold, but they will ask questions about you if you start a conversation.
-Prague is a pretty good place for black guys if you can find the non-touristy venues. Very few Africans there. Daygame is better because all the hot girls are out during the day but avoid the touristy clubs filled with Brits. I got a few blatant stares on the subway system.

I got back from Berlin about 2 weeks ago. I was all over the place and only had an issue getting into Club Der Visonare. I was with German wings and they explained to me if you are too dressed up you will be turned away. Berliners have this thing against obvious displays of wealth. I wore jeans a dressy tshirt and boots. Check my datasheet https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58358...pid1398184

I mentioned that earlier in this thread and some of the guys here didn't believe me when I said that a lot of Berlin clubs have dress codes that are the opposite of American Club dress codes.

Iso, post up appropriate dress down

WIA

(09-20-2016 07:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Iso, post up appropriate dress down

WIA

Berlin was the only place I've ever been where some clubs would discriminate against people that are dressed well by American standards. It isn't only dress, but the way you act. The clubs want people in the club who fit a certain image: Hipster, emo, not young, goes to club to have fun instead of take pics. Based on my observations of the clubs in Berlin, you are more likely to get into a club dressed like this:



than dressed like this:

(09-20-2016 01:24 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:32 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:06 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The door policy was discussed about 10 pages before, can we get off this topic.

I agree with you although I'm glad it was brought up again... I think it needs to be emphasized to others to stop dressing like crap and hold ourselves to a higher standard.

Your putting emphasis on the clothing, yes I agree it is important to dress a certain way.

I wear dress shoes that cost more than most people's suits, I say this not to brag but to show you that I still get turned away from clubs.

The real issue isn't clothing, it is deeper than that.

So let's focus on the positive, you stated that you were getting into promoting.

That is one way of assuring you get into the club.

Im not denying it is deeper than that but you are right we can leave this topic alone now.

Well I have a long history in promoting clubs... I did for a while when I was 19 and then came back to the whole idea again in my late 20s in NYC with great success... Its a VERY VERY effective way to meet women. Probably the most effective way ive ever seen and experienced. Believe me when I tell you.. you will never have to open girls ever again because they NEED you. If you are one of the top promoters and have a great rep your value levels will be through the roof and you can fairly easily get a 9 or better. When I was doing this I managed to land one of the best girls Ive ever had -- early 20s Blonde from Copenhagen... On top of that I even managed to pull of a threesome and other crazy adventures.

The negatives:

In the beginning its hard work and a serious grind. It takes alot of connections and ingenuity and from I can see in NYC now (MONEY) to stand out amongst the others. Youll have to be in nightclubs every Friday and Saturday night like clockwork. You will be constantly drinking since alcohol is free for you and your people. Impossible to have a steady girlfriend as she wont trust you around tons of hot girls every night of the weekend. I guess there are many but in my opinion the positives outweigh the negatives.

After over 5 years of living here and going out ive been able to get into certain social circles and it was SUPER FUCKING HARD since im not a native German. I managed to squeeze out my own party here...

The owner was and is super fucking reluctant to give me a chance but I managed to gather so many people on the event he cant say no.. (im over 1000 people interested at the moment). Im in the process now of trying to make people identify me as the face of the party so I can get as many guys/girls to add me on facebook to increase my appeal. Ive added over 50 people in the last couple days so hopefully this improves.

If the party works hopefully this will lead to me being called for additional parties and business. I will have the top party in all of my city on this night. No other party at a club bigger than mine.

I need to vent here a little:

I'll be honest and say this is the last "social" Hail Mary pass for me. I'm unhappy with my results with women here. I'm frustrated and maybe my expectations for Germany or this city were too high. Don't get me wrong... I am getting girls and getting laid regularly but not with the women I want.

Those 8+ girls are all going to white German men and I can't seem to beat them no matter what I do. I compare my results to the other Africans around here and im doing better quality wise but not by much. So I know im not falling behind the others.

If this doesn't work I think im going to take a step back.. stop everything and rethink my situation here completely. It was a hell of a fight to even get this far.

Sorry for venting but... UGH

(09-20-2016 06:43 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 03:38 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 07:22 PM)Iso Wrote:  I'm going to eat somewhat eat crow.

I went to Berlin with the mentality I displayed in my earlier posts. Long story short, I got rejected at like 4 different clubs during the stay. I wore jeans and short sleeve vneck. But, in some of the clubs I went to, no one was dressed up in typical American club attire. They were dressed in all black like they were going to a funeral. Berlin Hipsters have weird fashion tastes (dark clothes, piercings, tattoos, half shaved heads, purple hair, etc.). I can't say whether I got rejected because of my clothes, black skin, lack of hipster look, body language, bouncer having a bad day, etc.

Observations about Berlin:
-A lot of fewer Africans than the rest of Europe. You will see some during the day trying to solicit you for drugs, but surprisingly they aren't out at night. I'm guessing they are different clubs that accept Africans
-I saw 3 hot girls who were like 8's in dresses and high heels get rejected at the door. They didn't dress like anyone else at the club but I was still surprised because I'm used to the U.S. where clubs beg hot girls to come.
-The music in Berlin is shit. Lots of EDM and techno crap. The kind of music that you cant dance to unless you are on drugs.
-I didn't get any blowouts with German girls. They are hard to crack because they come off as cold, but they will ask questions about you if you start a conversation.
-Prague is a pretty good place for black guys if you can find the non-touristy venues. Very few Africans there. Daygame is better because all the hot girls are out during the day but avoid the touristy clubs filled with Brits. I got a few blatant stares on the subway system.

I got back from Berlin about 2 weeks ago. I was all over the place and only had an issue getting into Club Der Visonare. I was with German wings and they explained to me if you are too dressed up you will be turned away. Berliners have this thing against obvious displays of wealth. I wore jeans a dressy tshirt and boots. Check my datasheet https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58358...pid1398184

I mentioned that earlier in this thread and some of the guys here didn't believe me when I said that a lot of Berlin clubs have dress codes that are the opposite of American Club dress codes.

Yeah Bruh you speak the truth. I dont make things complicated. I just listen to the locals and do as they do. Plus all you got to do is look around. Most girls going out to clubs are dressed like they are going to an EDM festival in a park. The only place I went to where people were a little dressed up was Bricks. Even then I wore my blazer and pocket square and felt out of place and overdressed!

Kirdiesel - thanks for sharing your story.

It is obvious you are having better success there than you would in America/Canada. I don't know many guys duplicating those results this side, if any.

I believe it has been stated here, but top tier girls tend to date local guys in their countries.

I am sure Archie can break it down, this just seems like something I have observed in my travels. You may luck out with a young one, now and then.

I think your being a bit hard on yourself, some of these girls may prefer a German guy with stability over a "foreign" guy who may leave at anytime. In their eyes they may feel you will return to America, why would you stay in boring Germany.

(09-20-2016 07:51 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I am sure Archie can break it down, this just seems like something I have observed in my travels. You may luck out with a young one, now and then.

I think your being a bit hard on yourself, some of these girls may prefer a German guy with stability over a "foreign" guy who may leave at anytime. In their eyes they may feel you will return to America, why would you stay in boring Germany.

It's a funny thing really.

Say a white guy went to Kiev.

Can he bang hotter white chicks (on the white scale) in Kiev than he can in Kansas city?

Certainly. All day, twice on Sunday.

But the hottest Olgas in Kiev are dating Ukranian/Russian Nationals that
- look good
- have money
- have power
- speak the language, know the culture, intimately
- know the dating rules

Like NYC, most guys aren't even in the same zip codes as the hottest bitches.

Now, If a smooth player from Poland came to the states, you think he could really bang the hottest chicks we have to offer?

With his accent and lack of understanding of America?

Could a heavily accented guy from Kerala pull Kylie Jenner?

It's possible, but most guys around her have what she's looking for.

My Guy from Goa would have to be able to give her an in person experience that she valued so much that she'd be willing to not sleep with c-list rapper of the week.

Say a Latino dude went to the Philippines.

Is he gonna get laid? Yeah.
By cute chicks by his standards? Yup
By cute chicks by Pinay standards? Sure
Middle class chicks? More often than Filipinos would admit to.

But is he going to be fucking TV stars? Probably not.
It happens, but I wouldn't go into that situation expecting it.

For a guy to get to those upper echelons of pussydom - he has to invest in the country, lock shit down. (Actually that applies to us in the states as well. You really want the best chicks, you need to be in the same places that they are.)

That's the journey that the homey Kirdiesel is on.

He's locking shit down. He's bringing real value, not just a handsome Nubian face.

And it's still going to be an uphill battle.

Any native German (of any ethnicity) has the ability to connect with any chick we Americans talk to. And that's the battle.

You read about expats getting married and staying in country, and for the rest of their lives, they're known as "El Gringo" "Americano"

You can play your exotic factor for the bang - but you need to have more to you than the D.

Can you show her cool shit in her city?
What's the experience with you outside of the bedroom?

Guys have good short game, but there's no mid game discussion at all on RVF.

It's how to bang and how to marry.

How about what do I need to do to have a good time with the girl when we're not fucking?

Yeah, I don't see any datasheets forthcoming either.

WIA

(09-20-2016 07:51 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Kirdiesel - thanks for sharing your story.

It is obvious you are having better success there than you would in America/Canada. I don't know many guys duplicating those results this side, if any.

I believe it has been stated here, but top tier girls tend to date local guys in their countries.

I am sure Archie can break it down, this just seems like something I have observed in my travels. You may luck out with a young one, now and then.

I think your being a bit hard on yourself, some of these girls may prefer a German guy with stability over a "foreign" guy who may leave at anytime. In their eyes they may feel you will return to America, why would you stay in boring Germany.

I ran into that quite a few times when I told girls I was leaving in a couple of weeks.

Thanks Archie for the breakdown.

A lot of it has to do with being from the same culture, which can take a lifetime to truly understand.

I've heard guys complain about local girls in country X dating "ugly" men from the same country. This is the thing that makes Europe better socially, less emphasis on having Brad Pitt looks and more on personality.

Mid game discussion is very challenging in these times.

@ rude

One of the big gaps on every game forum is why should a girl like you after the bang? We're just starting to touch on why/ if we should like the girl.

WIA

I don't really have a problem keeping a lizard around after I bang. No bragging but my personality is as such that I don't have an issue with her slipping away. My weak points are getting her to spread initially. After that, I'm cruising..

I was going to say the same thing. I'm a modest chap!

Once you've banged her out properly, they never really go away. After a month or so, you will get the talk.

Girls/women I meet, like to play this long game.

Whatever happened to the sluts?

Dudes be putting a ring on it.

Yea when the bang is done you've got it locked down. I think Archie is making some really good points, but I find with some countries the culture is so similiar, is a guy gonna have much of a difficulty going from the US to canada? would a guy have issues going from Belarus to Russia?
what i say to kirdiesel is improve your club game man, if you have good club game that can be potent and you can do some serious damage. A lot of the club is about being stealth, making the right moves across the club, dancing a certain way, building value in the venue so you're the prize. One of the most valuable things ive learned in game is the law of least effort, the guy who tries the least hard always gets the girl.

(09-20-2016 07:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Iso, post up appropriate dress down

WIA

If you want a good idea of the vibe of Berlin, watch the music video below. The video is shot in Berlin. The kind of people you see in the music video are the kind of people you will see out in Berlin. They aren't the types to wear to wear suits or want bottle service in their clubs. Berlin is the mecca for alternative types.

But the skaters are wearing suits, lol.

That looks like Brooklyn hipster fashion, though nobody in the states would culturally appropriate Dia de los Muertos/sugar skulls...Lol. Who am I kidding!

1) So refugees can't afford to look like that and blend in?

2) that video had little to no female talent. Clearly a feminist director!

I'd fit in easily. But I'm still interested in the non ethnic Germans. Integrated 2nd generation Persians and Turks. And if there are any sistas...

WIA

I don't understand something here.

Why did you guys go to Berlin expecting something besides alternative women? I am heavy into alternative types, they are my preference, so is the cultural that comes with it: clothing, music, personalities etc. So I knew going to Berlin i'd fit in and I did my research beforehand. I meshed well at house parties, night clubs, daytime meetups because these people were a reflection of my own personality.

It's like going to latin america and complaining about the women wearing high heels, dancing salsa and being emotional.

-CD

Why is Germany getting a lot of play on this thread?

Berlin has always been an alternative hipster techno kind of place.

I can assure you there are better places in Europe to visit.

Also, there is a black guy travel thread in the travel section.

Agreed, back to game.

Any of you players have alternatives to the typical night game of bars and clubs? I don't really have any ideas of what to do with a chica at night besides going to a bar and then hit the club for her to shake that ass or back to my spot for her to shake that ass.

-CD

(09-23-2016 08:47 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Agreed, back to game.

Any of you players have alternatives to the typical night game of bars and clubs? I don't really have any ideas of what to do with a chica at night besides going to a bar and then hit the club for her to shake that ass or back to my spot for her to shake that ass.

-CD

CD getting soft on us?
Taking these chicks on dates? Lol

"Where do I take chicks I'm already fucking" is the wrong way to think about this.

What are you doing with your life other than working and trying to bang more chicks?

I've recently come to think of this as "true" lifestyle game.

If you were a musician, you could invite the chick to come jam with you.

If you were on a bowling team...

If you were into cooking...

This is definitely critical for LTR evaluation purposes, does she fit into your life? Can she assist or is she a burden?

That having been said, i didn't have any other life than going out for years. Clubs mostly, but lots of concerts. The typical activity outside of that with a plate was food and movies. Very typical but very boring.

I think differently now, because time is precious. I do stuff that I want to do, and she comes along. I don't do anything for her especially. Which is how it should have always been.

If I have a house date where I'm going to cook something new - we go to the grocery store. She preps the ingredients, or I show her how. Most guys have everything ready to go, and she just watches.

I've gotten it into my head that you can't let a chick ever be lazy. Idle ovaries...

To keep her engaged, I need to be engaged - so from flows the practice of doing things I want to do.

Plus when you have a plan, direction, and the confidence that comes with that, a girl gets to *not* think, just act.

WIA

(09-23-2016 08:07 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  I don't understand something here.

Why did you guys go to Berlin expecting something besides alternative women? I am heavy into alternative types, they are my preference, so is the cultural that comes with it: clothing, music, personalities etc. So I knew going to Berlin i'd fit in and I did my research beforehand. I meshed well at house parties, night clubs, daytime meetups because these people were a reflection of my own personality.

It's like going to latin america and complaining about the women wearing high heels, dancing salsa and being emotional.

-CD

But there are hipsters in Mexico City, Goths too. Lot of heavy metal/American Rock is popular all over South America. Chicks I'm trying to bang in DR aren't doing Salsa, they're all on that Reggaeton.

Berlin is a legit fashion capital, along with London, Paris, Milan.

I expect Berlin to have
- rednecks and working class folks like America
- immigrants that have their own shit going
- blue bloods like America
- college kids
- cosmopolitans and yuppies
- hip hop fans

Last German I messed with knew a whole lot about cowboys and Indians. Threw me for a loop, but apparently there's German interest in that stuff.

It's like going to Japan and meeting a Japanese girl with an Afro



You don't expect it, but it happens.

Now the fact that you will get turned away for dressing too well - that's interesting.

Because that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world because Asia, Africa, America, Latin America - worship expressions of wealth. That's the baseline, Germany is the outlier on that. And I have a feeling that some of them thirsty immigrants who aren't dressed up will get turned away as well. So it's not dressing down, it's dressing RIGHT.

Germans are smart enough to say that even if you have money, it doesn't make you cool.

And to me, that's actually dope.

I wish some of the spots I go to would actually turn away these Transplant Assholes and their "too cool for school" chicks.

WIA

Germany has been long the home of the culture about what's the next big thing when it comes to dance music.

House was born here(it's close call between Germany and France).

Danced based DnB was popularized here.

Trance got popular here around the same time it was going hard in France and Belgium after it blew up in The Netherlands.

They have been long ahead of the curve, and the key to the Euro dance scene was always what's going to be trendy so suited down was never the way to go. Dark(with white jeans/shorts or all black or white shirt rest all black), fitted, and mobile will always be what's in with variation as to the kind of music and scene.

This is about what's standard fare for being on the upper end.
Guys:



Girls:









In general Diplo and DJ Snake are probably the best dressed artists in the dance scene right now. I would recommend anything they wear when they're performing as appropriate dancewear.

^House music was born in Chicago.

It gave birth to other genre's of music such as (techno, bpm, trance, new house, drum and base, garage etc).

I give credit where credit is due - thank you black america!