I've had a good amount of success on tinder with doing the complete opposite of what most guys do, a lot of guys are sending cheesy pick up lines, puns and other nonsense in an effort to get the girls attention. What I've been doing lately is simply suggesting a date on the very first message however make the date something EVERY girl would enjoy, like wine, netflix, a cute little chinese food place.

They almost always respond with how they love the idea, then you simply tease her a little and go directly into logistics. What are you up to X day, if she says shes busy or whatever then just say "Let's figure this out over text"

With online game, you have to recognize when to stop the teasing, playful and witty conversation and create more comfort. If she doesn't give her number but offers instagram or snapchat, take it and then talk to her for a bit before asking for the number again. You always want to be pushing toward the meetup, and once you get her number you want to go right to logistics.

One more thing, you don't have to stick to your original date plan that you use on your first message. I've done the netflix and wine in the opening message and then when we actually met I simply took her to a bar. It helps if you don't tell her where or what you are doing, simply tell her to Meet at X public place for X time.

(09-17-2016 01:33 PM)the1element Wrote:  I've had a good amount of success on tinder with doing the complete opposite of what most guys do, a lot of guys are sending cheesy pick up lines, puns and other nonsense in an effort to get the girls attention. What I've been doing lately is simply suggesting a date on the very first message

Exactly, all girls I banged from Tinder told me how boring all those guys with their unoriginal bla bla are.

They only reason a girl would be on tinder is to be fucked, so don't lose her or your time talking! The alternative is that she is on tinder to attention whore, but then by going for the kill from the beginning you filter those time wasters out.

Did I lose bangs by being so direct? Sure. But I prefer 10 tinder bangs after investing 30 minutes of my time, than 30 bangs after hours and hours. By being so direct, I get many less dates, but my date to bang ration is 100%, because the date is literally having wine at my place, and I don't have a couch so we both have to sit on my bed.


I actually got the idea from a danish girl I met on vacation. After some boring where are you from bullshit, she just said, " well, leaving the rest of the tinder bla bla for later, let's get some wine tonight". Genius. That's what girls bellow 22 want on tinder, quick sex tonight.



And for a game beginner like me, having a naked girl delivered to your bed after 2 sentences just feels like the ego boost I need to kill it at standard game for a few nights after I get the tinder bang.

(09-13-2016 11:57 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  @ JW, and Ill Italian word, I disagree.

Your text game is alright and has potential, but do you really think bullshitting around forever with these girls who think they're being funny by using this silly, 'random' type of humour and then chucking in an invite for a beer at the end will work?

A little humour is good, but this lame random humour sucks, especially as it's so common nowadays and she's using it too. It makes you seem supplicating and not that funny. It's probably funnier in person. I don't understand what's even going on with the bio conversation

I would cut down on all that and use more teasing questions/statements. In fact they shouldn't even be 'teasing', they're closer to serious qualifying questions to make sure a girl matches my standards with an element of teasing. That's the frame you want to set when chatting with a match.

Once you set this frame, and she's qualifying herself to you, you can ask about her work/schedule/freetime and what she likes to do or where she likes to go.

Then you can smoothly transition to 'let's go out for [that thing you like to do] on [that day you said you were free].

You have to have this goal in mind when talking to a girl online. Otherwise you will just 'overgame' or bullshit around forever and get nowhere.

For example the first girl. She mentioned getting to know you over a beer (!). You don't carry on your bullshitting when she says that, that's a golden opportunity to move the conversation towards setting up a date. Some ways you could respond are:

- asking what beer does she like
- tease her over liking beer rather than something more feminine,
- you could even neg her with 'you look like a beer drinker' if you've built up rapport and think you can get away with it.
- or ask her where is good to drink and talk about decent places to go.

After you talk about that, with a little humour and teasing thrown in, (that goal should be secondary to the main goal of steering the conversation towards a date), then you can smoothly ask her out and she is much more likely to respond yes.

Conclusion:

Humour is a good way to open and start the conversation but you shouldn't spend the whole conversation trying to be witty. It's supplicating, predictable and boring. She might humour you back but in her head she's getting bored. You're not there to be random tindersluts entertainment, you and her both know this.

Use humour and teasing as you smoothly move the conversation towards a date.

(09-14-2016 03:09 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  "Point taken about humour backfiring and coming across as way too lame; given how every guy and his uncle on Tinder is trying too hard in playing the clown game."

Exactly. Everyone does it and personally I find the style of humour completely unfunny and unoriginal. Maybe it's more of an American thing. I called it 'gamey' to another poster before. People think that being like this is using game and now even girls are wise to it, they know you're not being genuine and you're gaming them.

"I'll definitely try to work in more teasing and qualifying. How does it differ from my current text pattern? I thought it showed up a little bit. Should I have been working that into a context of a more 'normal' conversation, as you implied?"

Yes put in more teasing/qualifying, you need to because the frame is all wrong. I saw you tried to right at the end, but it was as a reaction to her qualifying her and so came across completely unconvincing to her and me. You're just clowning from start to finish with this weird random humour and asking for a number.

The frame of the conversation is the wrong way round, she's trying to see if you're good enough for her, rather than the other way round. She even said "how can I screen you then", shes the one unapologetically and rudely screening you and you're putting up with it and trying to be good enough for her standards. This is terrible. You really should be the one saying things like that.

When she says "You don't even know anything about me", that's a clue that you haven't qualified or even learnt anything about the girl AT ALL and you need to stop joking around and start seriously screening/qualifying her.

Even if you don't have any standards other than be pretty, you have to at least pretend to.

As for the normal conversation thing you said: Not everything has to be witty, you can ask normal questions, it builds comfort/rapport and you need to know logistical stuff and her interests to be able to set up a date.

You have to set up the date or idea of a date BEFORE you get the number.

There's literally no point in going for her number, you're already talking to her and it's only likely to get you rejected.

What does it gain you? Another way of communicating with her.

What do you risk by asking for it? the girl might stop speaking to you or reject you.

So it's high risk for very little reward. Set up a date, and then ask for her number purely so you can call her if someone is late or whatever.

"They did seem to be laying out the red carpet for me, all I had to do was not fuck up....which I did?"

Yes.

"Anyway, I ended up number closing girl # 3 after a bit of text ping-pong, which I was ready to next her over. You'd think at her age, she'd be too old to be playing games."

She's not playing games, you are! She was the one who got bored of this texting nonsense and then the next morning decided to just give you her number rather than playing around like this! You got lucky with her number there in my opinion.

Hey man thank you for these two great posts - just posting to let you know they are not falling on deaf ears. You highlighted two numbers I screwed up recently - one where I got her number before setting the date (then she ghosted - although this isn't usually a problem, I still think your strategy is optimal most times (number is too high risk high reward until you have already set up the date)). Another one I screwed up by joking around too much.

You can tell if the girls are getting annoyed if you're joking around too much. Make sure you have a direction, and make sure they can sense your direction. They will, for the most part, play along, and willingly be complicit in their courtship. There was a good quote in "models" where he said something like "each time you approach a girl she is secretly hoping you don't fuck it up", and I think that's a good attitude to have - the girls are on our side, we just have to learn how to do it right.

JWZG one thing that Redpill didn't note is that you became bitter when you didn't get her number (not getting your number apparently). Bitterness is absolute death. I'm actually surprised you recovered - this is probably a girl who likes being in control, so that's fine if you are a passive-type personality, but I think most of the men on this forum are narcissistic-controller types.

Last thing, is after sinking well over 100 hours into this bullshit, I can say confidently that practise does make perfect. Flirt with every 5+ or girl in your league you possibly can. I noticed I subconsciously erase errors from my game, and get better with every hour I stick into it. It's a painful process, but it gets easier.

(09-15-2016 02:06 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I've had Tinder Plus for about half a year now. My profile has one picture, I only list my school and my height.

Based on that I've gone on a few dates, but I was disappointed and decided my time would be better spent day and night gaming.

Of the responses I get most are uggos, fatties, or no response/spam. The ones that aren't in any of those categories are generally 5-6 range (with 5 in my book being just barely fuckable), potentially some 7s if I'm generous.

I'm working on getting back in shape first, but after I do that in the coming months I plan to get back in the swing of tinder mainly because I think it is good for practicing dating, which I have much less experience with than approaching (obviously).


All that being said, can you guys that are still using tinder post some numbers for us to see? By numbers I don't mean phone numbers, I mean like over X period of time I went out with Y number of girls from tinder and that resulted in Z number of lays (and also the 1-10 rating you would give to the girls).

I know this thread is about how to effectively use tinder, but I think it would be useful if we all got to see each others raw results from the app.

Since February this year:
14 dates
9 bangs

3s-6s, highest is an 8 that turned into my regular girl. I've progressively gone on less dates since my standards have increased.

P.S. you need to get at least two more profile photos, studies show that even adding just two photos adds a lot

I messed with Tinder for a couple of days for the first time in Colombia. They were all flaky as fuck and I was wasting my time when I could just go out and talk to hot Colombian girls and go on dates with them.

Maybe Tinder is great for some other circumstances, but I just uninstalled that shit.

(09-17-2016 07:46 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(09-15-2016 02:06 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I've had Tinder Plus for about half a year now. My profile has one picture, I only list my school and my height.

Based on that I've gone on a few dates, but I was disappointed and decided my time would be better spent day and night gaming.

Of the responses I get most are uggos, fatties, or no response/spam. The ones that aren't in any of those categories are generally 5-6 range (with 5 in my book being just barely fuckable), potentially some 7s if I'm generous.

I'm working on getting back in shape first, but after I do that in the coming months I plan to get back in the swing of tinder mainly because I think it is good for practicing dating, which I have much less experience with than approaching (obviously).


All that being said, can you guys that are still using tinder post some numbers for us to see? By numbers I don't mean phone numbers, I mean like over X period of time I went out with Y number of girls from tinder and that resulted in Z number of lays (and also the 1-10 rating you would give to the girls).

I know this thread is about how to effectively use tinder, but I think it would be useful if we all got to see each others raw results from the app.

Since February this year:
14 dates
9 bangs

3s-6s, highest is an 8 that turned into my regular girl. I've progressively gone on less dates since my standards have increased.

P.S. you need to get at least two more profile photos, studies show that even adding just two photos adds a lot

Since that last post of mine I'm glad more guys have responded, but there is still one big issue. Guys are giving mixed advice about what the first step should be in regards to whether you should invite the girl to your place for drinks or whatever as the first date or if you should actually go on a real first date and game the chick as usual.

I don't have my own place atm but when I do I am more inclined to screen tinder girls by just inviting them over for drinks to see who is DTF. I'm sure I'll potentially lose dates that way, but I'd honestly rather meet women in person and just use tinder hoes as a supplement. IMO no game skill is developed through tinder unless you go on dates and develop your skills on dating. Otherwise I think it's just useful for getting those extra notches that we all want.

Oh and once I am back in shape I will definitely throw in some more pics to my tinder profile. I've been having pretty good responses from just having one pic, but I'm sure I've lost a sizable number or potential lays from just having one pic.

What do you think of having a pic with a baby in it? I've got a pic of me and my cute as fuck nephew, which is a nice photo and girls i know liked a lot on Facebook and such forth. One hand i think it shows good genetical stock, but then they might assume the kids mine.

(09-06-2016 03:27 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  I think with the insanely high-traffic of tinder there may be some stick in just saying ridiculous shit. Not crazy sexual but I mean just absurd stuff that showed you take the shit 0% seriously. Thoughts?

"I just got out of prison and want to meet you for a drink, come over and see how it goes."

Eh, it's worth a shot, but I never really had much success with crazy shit like that UNLESS the girl turned out to be full on crazy. I mean cuts herself, cries for no reason, molested at a young age and never saw a shrink to deal with it, etc

Serpico, you can have a baby pic, but say on your profile "this isn't my baby"

Any girls that look like they have a bit of attitude, I use "Lol, u look like u need a firm hand".

Almost always gets a response, mostly inquisitive as to what I mean.

Have I cockblocked myself with my bio?

I've changed it to "Looking for Times New Roman in the streets, and Wingdings between the sheets". I've had a few matches that liked it, but the following one on the other hand:







Has made me wonder if the bio earnt me a few left swipes.

She's cute enough (an 8) that I wouldn't just ONS, maybe that's why she feels that she can withhold sex?

Given how she's invested herself in that exchange 3 messages per 1 of mine; closing isn't impossible.

(09-18-2016 03:48 AM)serpico Wrote:  What do you think of having a pic with a baby in it? I've got a pic of me and my cute as fuck nephew, which is a nice photo and girls i know liked a lot on Facebook and such forth. One hand i think it shows good genetical stock, but then they might assume the kids mine.

It may have the same effect as a dog photo, i.e. caring, affectionate. But yeah, specify that it isn't yours, if it resembles you especially.

Double post

I think witty bio's are pointless on tinder, it's just about the looks.

You can work out personality/shit in common once you match/meet.

If she's not sure about your look but likes your bio, it's still probably a weak lead who will likely cancel on you.

I just have my height on my bio.

I did have girls comment on how they liked my bio, but keep it to 5 or 6 words max. Pictures are what count, I would say 80% of girls wont even read the bio.

They will read it before they go on a date with you, but if they agreed, by then it doesn't matter unless your bio really sucks.

If your bio is very direct yes, you will scare some away and will lose some right swipes. But that's a plus, if she is really so not looking for sex, you avoided wasting your time.

(09-18-2016 12:17 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:  Since that last post of mine I'm glad more guys have responded, but there is still one big issue. Guys are giving mixed advice about what the first step should be in regards to whether you should invite the girl to your place for drinks or whatever as the first date or if you should actually go on a real first date and game the chick as usual.

My way (direct to my place to try homemade cocktails) works best in cities where you have so many matches that you really don't give a fuck, because every day at least a couple of girls will say yes.

I'm talking at the very least 50 matches per day, preferably much more.
Of course this only happens in really big cities.

If you get 5 or 6 matches per week, yeah, make those matches count.

It really depends on where you are.


As for pictures, there was a very great thread about improving your profile pic game. But yes, have 2 or 3 of yourself at least.

(09-18-2016 12:09 PM)Stallion Wrote:  I'm talking at the very least 50 matches per day, preferably much more.
Of course this only happens in really big cities and if you're really attractive.

Fixed that for you. I get between 40 and 70 matches a week even with Plus, swiping on every single girl in one of the biggest cities in the US.

Photos are above average, too.

50 a day is model-tier.

@JWLZG

Bio is probably fine comrade. Girls is just throwing up her obligatory anti-slut flag. Really no different than a girl asking "so what are you looking for on here?" She's on fucking Tinder after all so whatever.

Good text game, and good job soothing the hamster.

(09-18-2016 12:29 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 12:09 PM)Stallion Wrote:  I'm talking at the very least 50 matches per day, preferably much more.
Of course this only happens in really big cities and if you're really attractive.

Fixed that for you. I get between 40 and 70 matches a week even with Plus, swiping on every single girl in one of the biggest cities in the US.

Photos are above average, too.

50 a day is model-tier.

Yeah, I get the impression that the US is much harder, I would probably do much worse if I was there.

I'm definitely no model, although I look better in my pictures than in real life.

If you guys haven't already, check this old thread about improving your online pics
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45167.html

It's pure gold.

*****************************************
In my current city i'm struggling to get 10 matches per day.

In other European cities I can get 50, probably because girls dig my Latin looks.

In Lima, Jakarta or HK there is something very wrong with your profile if you don't manage 50+ matches per day.

In my hometown, Brad Pitt wouldn't get even 5 per day.

So yeah, location location location. If you have Plus spend a day swiping in Manila and prepare to get your mind blown.




Also, as discussed in this thread many times, when sweeping right on too many girls Tinder flags you, so it may actually be hurting your number of matches because of how their algorithm works.

Anyone feel nice enough to give me the main tips for Tinder..Should I get more apps to go along with Tinder?

I created a fake FB with a younger age..added a few photos..am I good to go? I AM familiar with online dating but just not with Tinder..

(09-18-2016 04:50 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  Anyone feel nice enough to give me the main tips for Tinder..Should I get more apps to go along with Tinder?

I created a fake FB with a younger age..added a few photos..am I good to go? I AM familiar with online dating but just not with Tinder..

Tinder is a crutch. You don't need it. It sucks ass.

Go to your local bar and meet girls.

(09-18-2016 04:50 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  Anyone feel nice enough to give me the main tips for Tinder..Should I get more apps to go along with Tinder?

I created a fake FB with a younger age..added a few photos..am I good to go? I AM familiar with online dating but just not with Tinder..

Step 1: Be attractive.
Step 2: Don't be unattractive.

Also, I'd like to add:
Step 3: If you're unattractive, make yourself attractive.

(09-17-2016 01:33 PM)the1element Wrote:  I've had a good amount of success on tinder with doing the complete opposite of what most guys do, a lot of guys are sending cheesy pick up lines, puns and other nonsense in an effort to get the girls attention. What I've been doing lately is simply suggesting a date on the very first message however make the date something EVERY girl would enjoy, like wine, netflix, a cute little chinese food place.

They almost always respond with how they love the idea, then you simply tease her a little and go directly into logistics. What are you up to X day, if she says shes busy or whatever then just say "Let's figure this out over text"

With online game, you have to recognize when to stop the teasing, playful and witty conversation and create more comfort. If she doesn't give her number but offers instagram or snapchat, take it and then talk to her for a bit before asking for the number again. You always want to be pushing toward the meetup, and once you get her number you want to go right to logistics.

One more thing, you don't have to stick to your original date plan that you use on your first message. I've done the netflix and wine in the opening message and then when we actually met I simply took her to a bar. It helps if you don't tell her where or what you are doing, simply tell her to Meet at X public place for X time.

I used this immediately after a I read it on Saturday with good effect.

"There's a cool new bar in [local trendy development]. Would you like to try it out with me sometime?"

I usually avoid yes/no questions and I usually tell instead of ask. But since this was such a bold opener I tamped it down some. I got typical, "OK, but I need to get to know you first" response then agreed and amplified and gamed from there.

Thanks for the useful info.

Is anyone else having trouble logging into to their Tinder account. I've had issues since I changed phone contracts (kept the same number) and now I can even log in. Keep getting "cannot connect to server" message. Through settings on iPhone I can't deactivate my account either. I've tried deleting and reinstalling the app, deleting the app from Facebook. Neither has worked. Any other solution?

I just noticed with Tinder plus you can see´most recent active users´first. That seems worhwhile, is it new? It also says something like ´Balanced matches´. Wonder what that is about.

Another thing I wondered, based on the strategy mentioned here before of swiping left a lot at first, is if it would work with Tinder plus to put your location to some shithole where you have extremely high value, have all the local girls match you, let the algorhythm pick that up and then switch to your real location with Tinder acknowledging you as a top value user. Any thoughts?

So far the basics seem to be:
-High quality fotos, first one a close up of yourself, others of you doing interesting stuff and one of you with social proof. Max out the pictures you can put. Show body if you have it in a non stereotipical way (bathroom selfie). A picture with you dressed sharp or in a luxury environment would be good as well. So basically: 1. Close up. 2. Picture suited up or sharp looking. 3. Picture with social proof (maybe one with hot girls and one with cool guys, or mixed one). 4-6: pictures of you doing amazing stuff on which they can make comments, so adventure sports, nice scenery, bizar stuff etc.
-Put up a bio which shows value, not too much blabla but to the point and/or witty. Other strategy might be being very direct. If your job is high level mention it.
-Be ready to engage and meet up as soon as possible after a match. Seize the moment.
-Initially put location range to a few km´s. Only expand when there are no more candidates.
-Don´t unmatch.
-Use the superlikes.
-Go straight for the date or the whatsapp contact. If you can, play into something she says in her bio or something about her pictures to build comfort.
-Possible strategy that might work: set age range very wide and be very selective to raise value in the algorithm.
-If a girl does not show her body, uses special types of angles to hide something, has only one picture or vague pictures, swipe left.
-Girls that say ´only friendship´, ´no sex´etc. ,doesn´t matter, proceed as usual.
-Tinder ´going out tonight´function: realize it exposes your tinder use to fb contacts. If you use it, I would do it with another girl that is hot, I´ve gotten plenty of matches like that and many of them of another guy with hot girl, basically it indicates swapping partners (have not tried in practice to meet up, but it seems that would be the point), also groups of girls will match you easier I think when you are with a high value girl, interracial mix works best. If not this, a late night you with high value buddy might work as well to see if any girls closeby are bored and without guys. Any more experiences?
-Change locations frequently (Tinder resets your profile it seems when you enter a new place). What I´m not sure of is if it is the same to actually change location or to check other locations through tinder plus or GPS apps.
-Tinder plus is probably worth it now with new functions.
-Linking instagram: probably just depends on your profile there, I got cool pics but few followers (although decent followers-following ratio) and little social proof in my pics (basically me in amazing scenery and doing cool stuff). Not sure where the line is, girls might care more about how much followers etc. I still think we should find a way to unite RVFers on instagram, it should be possible to do so without all of being linked to our profiles here.

What am I missing?

Some variables I´m not sure of if they have an influence: frequency of swiping or logging in, amount of messages you send to matches, not showing age or location with plus, amount of shared interests (I generally have none in common with these girls, wonder if that hurts my matches).

Here’s Why This Guy Is One Of Tinder’s Most Right Swiped Men
http://www.unilad.co.uk/relationships/he...wiped-men/

well he doesn't come across as a complete bell end does he !

Best day for a first date? On Wednesday I got a number and tried to set up a date for Thurs - she said she was busy, and didn't counter, so I assumed Fri and Sat were out. I then offered Sunday, to which she said "Sunday night!" - I said "yeah"! - radio silence.

Thoughts on - if they don't offer back a day should you not try a second time? (Maybe go for some more qualification?)

If five days between the chat and the first date would you still try and set one up, or say "maybe another time"

Do you ever have a first date on Monday, Friday or Saturday? (seemingly worst days) - what about Sunday or Tuesday? (Weds/thurs is obviously best)

Tinder plus guys, what do you say when a girl asks why you are so far away and how the two of you matched?