That's a good question and gets to one angle.

Assume 10 face and 10 body. 10 style.

But let's say you don't know anything about her personality.

What do you look for from her before you approach?

WIA

I would look for flaws (weaknesses) or any commonality between her and myself.

I would look at her shoes and handbags, to determine if she is a faker or the real deal. I could be wrong but rich girls I have met usually don't look rich.

8-9 become subjective. Many guys will only get a lizard to show off to the friends. Once I was talking to what I would consider a solid 8 but she spoke too much and always had stink mouth which brought her down to a 4. If she passes the boner test then I'm game. Only problem is, my genetics will arouse me to fcuk a mampi..this inflates market value..

I've got a ton of unorganized thoughts on this topic.

An objective German 10 would be a supermodel.
Actresses and beauty pageant winners are probably between 8-10.

Right below that rung you have
- the hottest strippers
- the hottest club chicks that date low level celebrities. They aspire to date top level athletes, but many won't do what is necessary, because entitlement.

I offer these as objective measures of the scale.

I say objective, because a lot of us in this post don't really cut for the a chick that looks like a young Heidi Klum.

Here is Lena Gercke



She's very pretty, but to be honest unless it was a layup situation, I'm not trying to be in her social scene just to get a shot at her. She's not worth the work.

Which brings me to some of the issues surrounding the chicks higher on the attractiveness scale.

The more objectively pretty they are, that is pretty according to the standards of that society, the more actual hurdles there are to even be in the same room.

Which brings me back to the German 10 question.

...

It's been said that you don't choose a ten, a ten chooses you.

In terms of world game, being in the same physical space as a ten, then you have to be in the same social space to get on her radar

WIA

Aren't guys meeting girls like that through social circle or online like Instagram. (ahem Dubai).

Half of the battle is finding girls like that to begin with, they don't exactly shop at the local malls.

Maybe it's just the pic, but besides being slim (in America), I'm not seeing much that would compel me to give a second look.

@dime

She's a super model, your subjective view of her doesn't change the fact that the world has deemed her a ten. And she's accordingly given special privileges and protections. She's adored just for being.

And that's part of the issue, that our subjective views don't match those of the collective.

So to some extent that gives us a mental advantage, because it's way easier to pull a chick that you don't think is that fine. There's no intimidation, and that girl would have to be to break down Goethe for me to be like "Yo".

Our own tens, the ones we value for their looks, that we are willing to overlook their boring personalities.. Where we have to get over the intimidation factor

Those, to me, are different issues.

WIA

I hear you. I actually find it harder to spit at less attractive women. I understand, internally, one may feel less pressure, but in my experience, the less attractive the more skeptical, stand-offish, insecure and require more work to make them feel comfortable. Don't get me wrong, I can get subconsciously intimidated by a true dime that initially appears out of my league, but like RudeBwoy said, it's easy to find human flaws that bring me back to reality.
I can usually tell right away by body language whether I'm wasting my time. If she seems closed off, I don't even bother with trying to # close. I might ask for directions, the time, or where the mayonnaise is and keep it moving.
I use the "approach within 3-second" rule and it makes it less intimidating because your mind doesn't have time to talk you out of it.

(06-02-2016 11:26 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  I'll take a solid down to earth 7 or 8 any day. As the homie TK Kirkland said, when you go from a Geo to Lambo you have to expect your insurance will go up. Simply put, 10's do come with a higher cost of ownership, lol.

Ive been here mostly sleeping with 6 and 7s. I don't turn them down for sex but i'd honestly like to get back into a relationship and for that I need a minimum level of 8. If I go under that (again for a relationship) Ive learned that I tend to lose interest in the girl and get buyers remorse down the road.

(06-02-2016 11:29 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The only problem with Germany and Western Europe is the cost, Eastern/Central Europe are much cheaper and offer better value.

It definitely sounds like this is the case. Germany is NOT cheap and guys here have money since its the economic powerhouse of Europe.

(06-02-2016 02:29 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Aren't guys meeting girls like that through social circle or online like Instagram. (ahem Dubai).

Half of the battle is finding girls like that to begin with, they don't exactly shop at the local malls.

This is only if you night game but...

Here in Cologne/Düsseldorf its very easy to find the high end girls because they all go to the same types of parties/nightclubs. Tight doors, tight dress code, expensive bottle service.. (not that you have to even do that) but thats the places that they all go to. Also any party with EDM or Electro music or Charts tends to pull decent quality too.

(06-02-2016 03:43 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  I hear you. I actually find it harder to spit at less attractive women. I understand, internally, one may feel less pressure, but in my experience, the less attractive the more skeptical, stand-offish, insecure and require more work to make them feel comfortable. Don't get me wrong, I can get subconsciously intimidated by a true dime that initially appears out of my league, but like RudeBwoy said, it's easy to find human flaws that bring me back to reality.

Thats really interesting because ive had totally the opposite experience almost without fail.

I uploaded a couple pictures to show what im talking about..

http://imgur.com/a/uMInd

The girls in those pictures I consider to be 8 or better and where I just seem to be getting stuck at.

On Instagram I stumbled upon a super hot German girl with what looks like an African guy and I was really surprised because she's the typical kind of German girl (IMO) thats very tough to crack.

https://www.instagram.com/pueppiblonde/

I was curious as to how the hell he got her and what kind of guy he is to be able to attract a girl like that.

Upon more research.... they been together for years and they went to high school together.

@Kirdiesel - IG gal is attractive, I won't get into the number scale thing cos quite frankly I think it is stupid. I think we can all agree if she was on this side of the Atlantic she would have many suitors.

Not only did the African guy get her, he has kept her for 7 years. I have seen many of these pairings over the years, to the point I don't underestimate any man or begrudge him.

The question isn't how he got her, the question is how can you get a similar girl?

Even though I said you need status and money, a lot of times that is not needed. Making a girl laugh and connecting with her does wonders.

(06-02-2016 05:44 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I uploaded a couple pictures to show what im talking about..

http://imgur.com/a/uMInd

The girls in those pictures I consider to be 8 or better and where I just seem to be getting stuck at.

Conventional beauties, with conventional mindsets.

In America, most WHITE guys can't pull that kind of girl on a direct cold approach at a night club. Those kinds of girls aren't particularly open to random dudes on the dance floor. Being Black, Asian, Latino, Arab, Indian might actually give you a bit of an edge - but not much.

She doesn't fool with randoms, not at the club at least.

The way you get that girl is not coming at her from her level, (she probably thinks you're beneath her)...but coming at her from above, through intermediaries.

This is the sort of thing that MM's Group Theory was designed for. This is that Brad P night club game.

Why does that girl go out? You have to somewhat get into their heads and try to understand their behavior.

That level of chick can get her Brad Pitt clone. When you manage to see that chick out, she's usually with 1 or 2 other equally hot girls, and all of them are surrounded by muscle heads, pretty boys, or rich guys. A cat like myself is invisible to her..until I enter her peer group.

When the dudes she rolls with say what's up to me. Or when I'm the gatekeeper to some dope shit, then I become an entity to that chick.

I know you were trying to use Club Game/Status game before. A regular chick that doesn't go out would be impressed by that. This type of chick is on every promoter's guest list. She probably knows all the other chicks on her level.

So within the framework of the club, you actually have to make those scenesters part of your social circle. She has to see you operate, see you with attractive women. See you handle dudes.

None of that costs money, but it's definitely an investment. You're building out a kick ass social circle, and that's what gets you in the door.

When this chick becomes a peer, then you can run social circle game.

Now, keep in mind, this sort of supervillain-esque style game is for the chicks at the top of the social order within a scene. Usually that's where most of the hottest chicks are, but not all hot chicks.

In America, those kinds of chicks move to LA/NYC and they're competing with actual fashion models.

This chick would do well



This one, not so much. (the nose bridge)

(06-02-2016 05:44 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  On Instagram I stumbled upon a super hot German girl with what looks like an African guy and I was really surprised because she's the typical kind of German girl (IMO) thats very tough to crack.

https://www.instagram.com/pueppiblonde/

I was curious as to how the hell he got her and what kind of guy he is to be able to attract a girl like that.

Upon more research.... they been together for years and they went to high school together.

This chick has that Dubai look to me



Not surprised that he was able to grab her while she was young. She probably was cute but transformed into Instagram Glam over the years.

I would not be surprised if hypergamy hits.

I would also not be surprised if our African Prince was banging a bunch more just like her, and she stays up late at night wondering where he is.

WIA

(06-02-2016 06:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  @Kirdiesel - IG gal is attractive, I won't get into the number scale thing cos quite frankly I think it is stupid. I think we can all agree if she was on this side of the Atlantic she would have many suitors.

Not only did the African guy get her, he has kept her for 7 years. I have seen many of these pairings over the years, to the point I don't underestimate any man or begrudge him.

The question isn't how he got her, the question is how can you get a similar girl?

Even though I said you need status and money, a lot of times that is not needed. Making a girl laugh and connecting with her does wonders.

If he got her back in highschool and has held her down for 7 years, chances are high that he doesn't take her shit. He knows what she looks like when she wakes up.

That alone makes him more alpha than Sheikh Shitsallah offering 40K.
I wouldn't be surprised if he sent her out there to get the money and bring it back to him.

WIA

The 1-10 ratings are highly subjective. Ratings possibly might even hurt your inner game. Your 9 is someone's 7. Your 9 is now harder to approach because you subconsciously pedestalized her. I bet everyone here has had instances where they see a beautiful girl, know it's a beautiful girl, friends confirm it's a beautiful girl, but yet, she just isn't your type. Just doesn't get your chemicals moving the right way. On the flip side, you have girls who look rather bland, underwhelming, and you can recognize that, yet that bitch can make you rock hard like a diamond, you'll choose her over a victoria's secret model. Subconsciously you only wish she looked like that 9 only so your friends can approve. Sometimes this stuff is a bit deeper than 1 to 10.

Another RVF forum member had a system that I've been using for years and it serves me much better, binary with a twist:

1-Will bang
0-Will not bang
.5-Will bang but not seen in public with

In my life, the 0.5 would be girls with ugly neck, chest, and other overt and aggressive tattoos that make them look like trash, or the goth/suicidegirls vibe. Either way those girls are like pollen to a bee when they come around me. But I wouldn't be caught dead walking around a mall with a girl like that. Those kind of girls pass the boner test with a flying colours for me. But after sex, it's Uber time for her.

If you see a girl you like, don't think too much about scale, just give it a shot and see where it goes.

In any case, let's see how much of a 9 she is after her 8th shot of vodka, or her second molly of the night.

(06-02-2016 07:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  @Kirdiesel - IG gal is attractive, I won't get into the number scale thing cos quite frankly I think it is stupid. I think we can all agree if she was on this side of the Atlantic she would have many suitors.

Not only did the African guy get her, he has kept her for 7 years. I have seen many of these pairings over the years, to the point I don't underestimate any man or begrudge him.

The question isn't how he got her, the question is how can you get a similar girl?

Even though I said you need status and money, a lot of times that is not needed. Making a girl laugh and connecting with her does wonders.

If he got her back in highschool and has held her down for 7 years, chances are high that he doesn't take her shit. He knows what she looks like when she wakes up.

That alone makes him more alpha than Sheikh Shitsallah offering 40K.
I wouldn't be surprised if he sent her out there to get the money and bring it back to him.

WIA

#Deadwithlaugh

I almost spit out my red wine when reading that, bravo!

She doesn't hide African dude in her IG, she is very much into him.
Although he does seem like a fashion accessory.
She must have a lot of dudes coming at her from all angles, so I would say game recognized to him.

@Kierdiesel,

that chick is not a typical German girl.

She's a Kardashian wannabe. Who do the Kardashians date? New money black athletes and rappers. If you can pull off that look and attitude with a part classy/part urban mix style and don't mind superficial conversations, those type of girls are easy to pull.

Even if they don't like you as a person or your game is sub-par ... just give off that vibe and you're in. You're just part of the image she wants to project to the world though. Mansur Gavriel bag, Mark Wong dress, Givenchy sunglasses, Manolo Chaos sandals and urban black boyfriend.

That's all you are to those sluts.

It's got nothing to do with game.

(06-02-2016 08:02 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  @Kierdiesel,

that chick is not a typical German girl.

She's a Kardashian wannabe. Who do the Kardashians date? New money black athletes and rappers. If you can pull off that look and attitude with a part classy/part urban mix style and don't mind superficial conversations, those type of girls are easy to pull.

Even if they don't like you as a person or your game is sub-par ... just give off that vibe and you're in. You're just part of the image she wants to project to the world though. Mansur Gavriel bag, Mark Wong dress, Givenchy sunglasses, Manolo Chaos sandals and urban black boyfriend.

That's all you are to those sluts.

It's got nothing to do with game.

ahahaha RAW

(06-02-2016 08:02 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  @Kierdiesel,

that chick is not a typical German girl.

She's a Kardashian wannabe. Who do the Kardashians date? New money black athletes and rappers. If you can pull off that look and attitude with a part classy/part urban mix style and don't mind superficial conversations, those type of girls are easy to pull.

Even if they don't like you as a person or your game is sub-par ... just give off that vibe and you're in. You're just part of the image she wants to project to the world though. Mansur Gavriel bag, Mark Wong dress, Givenchy sunglasses, Manolo Chaos sandals and urban black boyfriend.

That's all you are to those sluts.

It's got nothing to do with game.

Can I derail for a moment and ask for some explanation on the "this-isn't-game" stuff that's been going around lately?

Coming from the perspective of a guy who isn't as experienced, I can't picture myself just showing up somewhere and bagging a chick so easily. These days I'm closer than I've ever been at that goal, but I'm not there yet.

I still need to learn, practice, and understand the timing, social cues, and escalation tactics in order to give myself a higher chance at bagging that chick. That's game.

I still need to have numerous experiences with women in order to clearly see the path I need to take, and the path I need to avoid, to take her home with me. That's game.

Right?

How do you know if something involves game and something doesn't? Does it have to do with how attractive you are? How easy it is to get laid? Does it not become game when it's suddenly too easy?

Where is the cutoff point for you guys?

(06-02-2016 09:56 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  262 - tell me more what "game" you use in Europe? Why would I need to be part of a social circle?

I am sure you are aware that Moma and I were born in the UK and lived there for several years. So we are not talking out of our arses or talking politics when we live in our mothers basement.
I have traveled Europe quite a bit and met quite a few girls, not all did I bang. We can talk feminism, obesity, RSD, skin colour (funny since I never mentioned skin colour) but WE both know that women in Europe have less hang ups and are much easier to deal with.

I personally prefer day game here in Poland. My experience aligns with that of more established forum members in Poland who've posted on that thread - that Poland is a day game and social circle country, not a night game one (though it's not impossible). It's also been my experience here that Poles, having less disposable income than Westerners, prefer house parties to bars and clubs, hence the importance of social circles.

Having lived in the US through my 20s though, I can also assume that social circle game is important everywhere - though it's also the highest investment, unless you happen to already be in certain circles by circumstance. The highest quality girls are less likely to need strange dick, simply because their social circles provide enough vetted dick for them. They're not impossible to get through cold approach, just less probable.

Take the models above for instance - if you happened to already be in the fashion industry, maybe as a well-known photographer, you've got a better shot at one of them than Joe Schmoe, all else being equal.

Finally, yes, I agree, Western Europeans have less hang-ups about sex than Americans. Multiple factors at play here though.

(06-02-2016 09:19 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 03:23 AM)Moma Wrote:  262, what kind of game is needed in Western Europe? What is the results of bad game in Europe? You hear of guys in Western Europe complaining that they can't get puss? I'm just asking, I never knew it to be the case. If you notice, this forum has a fair amount of European guys and I never hear a peep in complaints to the decline of the lizards. Even the black guys on this thread in Europe have no complaints. That's like an American guy complaining that he can't find a fat chick to ogle in the United States.

As an American black guy living in Germany the only complaint I have here is that the higher end girls here seem extremely hard to get and aren't interested in us. I prefer girls 8 and up and seems most of the girls who will give black men a run are in 7 and below range. So theres lizards to be had and I would say its def easier then the East Coast of America (where I am from) but its no pussy paradise.

I just came back from 2 months in Hungary and it totally changed my perspective. After living in Germany for over 10 years,
I can see how it's not really the best place for meeting 8 and 9's consistently.

Compared to places like Budapest, you really aren't in the best place to succeed. Just the sheer number of beautiful women in Budapest for example, going out
and having a good time was incredible. And they're much more expressive and enthusiastic..I loved living in Hungary and plan to go back this July.

Even in the big cities like Koln and Dusseldorf, you'll only see pretty girls
at nighttime in clubs whereas Budapest has them all over the city.
You feel like you have a chance whereas in Germany, you might not even see
an 8 or 9. The experience was incredible.

Everyone was so social and they love to party and drink...the open air clubs and ruin bars and upscale bars and events really make it a great place.

(06-03-2016 03:29 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:19 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 03:23 AM)Moma Wrote:  262, what kind of game is needed in Western Europe? What is the results of bad game in Europe? You hear of guys in Western Europe complaining that they can't get puss? I'm just asking, I never knew it to be the case. If you notice, this forum has a fair amount of European guys and I never hear a peep in complaints to the decline of the lizards. Even the black guys on this thread in Europe have no complaints. That's like an American guy complaining that he can't find a fat chick to ogle in the United States.

As an American black guy living in Germany the only complaint I have here is that the higher end girls here seem extremely hard to get and aren't interested in us. I prefer girls 8 and up and seems most of the girls who will give black men a run are in 7 and below range. So theres lizards to be had and I would say its def easier then the East Coast of America (where I am from) but its no pussy paradise.

I just came back from 2 months in Hungary and it totally changed my perspective. After living in Germany for over 10 years,
I can see how it's not really the best place for meeting 8 and 9's consistently.

Compared to places like Budapest, you really aren't in the best place to succeed. Just the sheer number of beautiful women in Budapest for example, going out
and having a good time was incredible. And they're much more expressive and enthusiastic..I loved living in Hungary and plan to go back this July.

Even in the big cities like Koln and Dusseldorf, you'll only see pretty girls
at nighttime in clubs whereas Budapest has them all over the city.
You feel like you have a chance whereas in Germany, you might not even see
an 8 or 9. The experience was incredible.

Everyone was so social and they love to party and drink...the open air clubs and ruin bars and upscale bars and events really make it a great place.

Thanks for the tip!

(06-02-2016 11:54 PM)WalkingMan Wrote:  Can I derail for a moment and ask for some explanation on the "this-isn't-game" stuff that's been going around lately?

I don't know what Ana is talking about, but a chick will fuck a guy that doesn't have conscious game. That's the norm.

Leave a chick to her own devices, let her make decisions on her own, and she chooses who you would expect.
- tall guys
- rich guys
- pretty boys
- popular guys

Sometimes a guy actually isn't that cool or interesting to a chick, but she chooses him anyway.

For the most part, most guys aren't blessed with those external qualities. So if they get with a chick, it's because they're getting "lucky".

A chick is always around him, she sees his non-obvious qualities, and she pursues him, or makes herself very available to him.

That's how 99.9999999% of sex and relationships happen.

The pretty boys attract chicks, and the clueless ones luck into some pussy.

Game is different.

What game teaches is that the externals that typically govern how a situation is supposed to work isn't the only way to get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

What game says is that girls don't make these decisions based on cold hard logic. But rather they respond favorably to various stimuli delivered in ways that are not so obvious.

It's not that game gives you the power to get "Any Girl, Any time"...but rather it's not just a raw numbers game where the girl gravitates to the best external and tangible qualities.

There are things you can do and say that change the calculation.

You can deliberately make a girl "feel". You can do it all the time, on purpose, on cue. That's not magic. It's a general human trait. We all have these hidden pathways to our hearts and souls.

Actors do it
Comedians do it
Salesman do it
Public speakers do it.
Business men do it
Politicians do it.
Religious men do it.

A good actor does not just read lines. A good actor has the body language, tone, volume, diction, enunciation, and overall feel of what the words mean, and what a fictional character would be like in real life.

All those things he changes about his presentation has an effect on the audience. In fact, the words aren't so important. It's everything that he SUB-COMMUNICATES to people, and that's how they believe him, why the audience feels his anger when he's anger, his pain when he's sad.

With Game, the player is operating on that level of communication.
His words might be about the weather, but he's talking to the girl about sex. And she's talking back to him about the weather, but she's also communicating to him about sex as well.

When they backwards engineered what guys that were good with women were doing - they realized that most of the time - he was sub-communicating various things to a chick, on top of what he was saying in English. Tone, eye contact, body language, touch...most of that meant more than what he was actually saying.

So it's not just humble bragging, or dropping bait. That operates on the level of English, it's top level communication.

You communicate something to a girl when you approach her without fear, when you don't laugh at her dumb jokes, when you correct her English, when you make her laugh with a calm face. - That's the sub-level, that's telling her things about you without explaining them in words.

She's not being approached that way. She's not being made to feel things, she's just communicating on the main level. Not to say that the sub-levels aren't being noticed - they are. And she's not liking them.

Most guys on this board are NOT operating on that level. They not even aware of that level. It's swiping right, and telling chicks to come over for a movie, or going to Cambodia. It's tactics and pocket squares, not a deep understanding of what they're trying to do.

A guy with game, he's making her feel shit on purpose.

He's not hitting the gym trying to get down to 9% bodyfat so that girls approach him.

He's approaching a chick, directly or indirectly, high energy or low energy, in person or on line, day or night - but the player is getting at the chick on the sub-communication level. And he's giving her the "feels"s.

He's saying and doing shit for the most emotional impact.

So when a chick encounters a guy that's operating on that level, she's not looking at how tall he is, what kind of blazer he's wearing - she gets into this emotional bubble with this guy and that's all that matters.

When a chick is in love with you, your dick is 2 feet long. And when she's out of love with you, all she can do is talk about your three inch killer.

How do you think pimps can get a chick to go out, fuck other guys, bring the money back, and he barely fucks them? It's because he's operating on a much deeper level with her psychology.

There are some naturals that make figure this out on their own. (1%)
There are plenty of pretty boys and popular guys that do not. Those guys get laid DESPITE the game. (10%)

88% of the guys just are unaware of this, and they get chosen by chicks.

(99%, numbers are just made up for intellectual flourish. There is no academic double blind study on this)

And then you have guys like us. (some of us. For whatever reason there are non-believers and denialists even in the black man's options posts)

And we are few and far between.

You might not even come across what I'm saying on some other game/pua boards. This might be the first time a lot of you guys are seeing it laid out like this.

That's the game though.

Most guys don't have game, they aren't even aware of what I'm saying.
And when you tell them this is how it works, they don't believe you.

They cannot believe you.

They cling to their blue pill understanding of the world.

Because to believe game is to make a mockery of everything else that they live their lives by.

Even when they see evidence of game in their own lives, when they see ugly guys get pretty girls, when they see dumb people get the promotion, - they just ignore the evidence. They try to explain it away as random noise. Or they say that this shit only works on dumb people.

All the while going to jobs they hate, shooting for 7's, and drinking and eating themselves into death.

WIA

^ Mother of God!

(06-03-2016 02:46 AM)262 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:56 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  262 - tell me more what "game" you use in Europe? Why would I need to be part of a social circle?

I am sure you are aware that Moma and I were born in the UK and lived there for several years. So we are not talking out of our arses or talking politics when we live in our mothers basement.
I have traveled Europe quite a bit and met quite a few girls, not all did I bang. We can talk feminism, obesity, RSD, skin colour (funny since I never mentioned skin colour) but WE both know that women in Europe have less hang ups and are much easier to deal with.

I personally prefer day game here in Poland. My experience aligns with that of more established forum members in Poland who've posted on that thread - that Poland is a day game and social circle country, not a night game one (though it's not impossible). It's also been my experience here that Poles, having less disposable income than Westerners, prefer house parties to bars and clubs, hence the importance of social circles.

Having lived in the US through my 20s though, I can also assume that social circle game is important everywhere - though it's also the highest investment, unless you happen to already be in certain circles by circumstance. The highest quality girls are less likely to need strange dick, simply because their social circles provide enough vetted dick for them. They're not impossible to get through cold approach, just less probable.

Take the models above for instance - if you happened to already be in the fashion industry, maybe as a well-known photographer, you've got a better shot at one of them than Joe Schmoe, all else being equal.

Finally, yes, I agree, Western Europeans have less hang-ups about sex than Americans. Multiple factors at play here though.

I am not picking on you but I am hearing a lot of excuses, your last statement said there are multiple factors at play. Please explain?

I understand you are Indian, things will work differently for you.
For me trying to break into a social circle will not work for me. I am a "serious threat" to the males in that group. In fact, I have had some dudes try to befriend me in a mocking way to show "their" gals they are cool and to neutralize me.
I don't play that game.

As Archie so eloquently stated, most dudes are meeting girls by swiping left or right. Look at this forum, the Tinder thread is huge. I am not knocking just stating the the obvious.

Do Americans really have hangups about sex? The lizards here give it away like coupons. Or maybe it's the higher scale white lizards that are difficult to certain groups. Naughty Nomad lived in NYC for a bit and was battering it.