Sus, that's your lot, you have to deal with it. Don't worry about what non minorities have to do or not do, worry about how you remain competitive. Secondly, it is also jarring when black guys on this side of the pond think that we have it hunky dory in Europe. The same issues within the black community regarding non thuggish black males dating higher range black lizards were also encountered. Not every guy wants a white Serbian or Polish lizard for sex. I'll take a layup but that's not where my heart is at. I like black lizards primarily and I had to deal with a lot of fair share of aggro in the community. British accent is commonplace in Europe so no edge with that. Many of you guys here think in these absolute states of mind and you think cos white Europeans don't hold an open disdain for blacks in Europe that it is paradise.

I'd love to see a datasheet here from a black guy from America who has moved to Europe, had a family AND is now trying to integrate into the community. Europe does not permit levels of integration where you can empower your community, regardless of how much money you bring to the table. In Europe, they are governed by culture, America is by money. It's easy to sing praises of Europe as this monolithic golden entity when you are just touring, sniping off blondes and brunettes for sex. But it's a different saga when you DON'T want white lizards and you want to live there as an integrated member of society.

"You don't have to be a coon or a thug to get pussy, just refrain being a punk."

Which is basically the problem with most men towards women.

When Carlton owned his upbringing on the show, his fortunes changed.

WIA

WIA, which I believe points to inner game.

(05-05-2016 11:46 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

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Sus - the ultimate solution for any black man is to make money and support himself/family/community etc.

Like Moma said, the solution isn't to run away from America, don't forget people are still trying to get there on rafts.

Who say's you have to be a thug/dopeboy or trick ass nigga to get women? Why not just be you, be true to yourself. If they (women) don't like it, who cares. I am sure you will be able to find someone who likes you for you.

Archie says don't be a punk, I would say make sure you have a strong frame.

Which forum member said black men should "stay in their lanes", that only adds to what I have said all along. Travel and see your true value, when you return home the women will sense it in you. Again, why would you care what someone on this public forum says! I am sorry but that is laughable.

As a black man, you should have much thicker skin than that.

Always remember, no one likes competition.

(05-05-2016 01:35 PM)Moma Wrote:  Sus, that's your lot, you have to deal with it. Don't worry about what non minorities have to do or not do, worry about how you remain competitive. Secondly, it is also jarring when black guys on this side of the pond think that we have it hunky dory in Europe. The same issues within the black community regarding non thuggish black males dating higher range black lizards were also encountered. Not every guy wants a white Serbian or Polish lizard for sex. I'll take a layup but that's not where my heart is at. I like black lizards primarily and I had to deal with a lot of fair share of aggro in the community. British accent is commonplace in Europe so no edge with that. Many of you guys here think in these absolute states of mind and you think cos white Europeans don't hold an open disdain for blacks in Europe that it is paradise.

I'd love to see a datasheet here from a black guy from America who has moved to Europe, had a family AND is now trying to integrate into the community. Europe does not permit levels of integration where you can empower your community, regardless of how much money you bring to the table. In Europe, they are governed by culture, America is by money. It's easy to sing praises of Europe as this monolithic golden entity when you are just touring, sniping off blondes and brunettes for sex. But it's a different saga when you DON'T want white lizards and you want to live there as an integrated member of society.

Yo , Mo! Tell us more.

@Moma in your case, that's the beauty of being raised in an environment where you can rely on your own at the very least. It's especially a relief when you don't have to worry about looking outside your culture for basic human needs. Even though things may not be perfect for British/Canadian/German Blacks, they do have the following:
-They can rely on their own for help and support
-Their women "reward" them for potential and hard work
-It isn't a necessity for the "nonconformist" foreign blacks to date out just to have a dating life.

And TBH, I'm not looking for a paradise, but I do seek out a place where the individual doesn't have to answer for the race. Not all Latinos don't have to answer to cholos. Not all Muslims have to answer for ISIS. I'm just looking for a neutral playing field like what Asians, Indians, and even Latinos and Middle Easterners have in America. And although there are states in America that are better than others when it comes to race, the American media and psyche forces race above everything, including money. I'm not using this as an excuse to be a failure like most other blacks give a pass for, but there are barriers that still exist. They aren't impossible barriers, but it's mentally taxing after a while. This is why I'm cool with just moving to Canada (aka America without the anti-black racism) or Australia, places where socioeconomic levels are more fluid than Europe.

And I'll admit that even though the state I'm in now isn't as bad as the region I was in, I'm still mentally struggling to believe there are those who see the individual over the race. And this isn't about "having others like and accept me" but if I'm putting in work, I believe I should be compensated for it, like how other minorities including blacks born outside America are. And I tend to find that those who get on others' cases about wanting non-blacks to accept them are the main ones who are bending over and compromising their own individual beliefs to have their own group to accept them.

From what I've seen, Blacks outside of America, at least those in Canada and the UK, are considered more wanted citizens. From what I've gathered, at worse, British Blacks are on the same place as Latino Americans, which still isn't as bad as where Black Americans are place. And in some cases, they're seen as the Model Minority. Blacks in America are more on a level where Muslims in the UK (and Europe in general) are placed.

Overall, this isn't to discredit what you're saying about blacks in the UK. Just wanted to throw in my perspective. But thanks for the constructive critism and overall gaming knowledge.


@rudebwoy

Your statement is also on point, but when you say "don't run away from America", I respectfully have to counter what you're saying. There are plenty of people who fled lands of their birth just to find success beyond what they ever could imagine in their homelands. And let's not even go into how Jews who escaped Nazi Germany were able to become the most successful - and quite frankly the most powerful - subrace in the world. Also, we can point to how blacks in the 60s fought for their rights as citizens and how admirable it was. But those who see blacks in that valiant light are mostly outside of America. And all that work has since been diminished due to the Welfare State, Hood Culture, and the blacks who've embraced those ills. If blacks are going to be rewarded for defeating Jim Crow with more hurdles for making them look less than human with the Welfare State, War on Drugs, and Hood Culture, I'm getting the message that the United States isn't for us. And that goes double for those who refuse to fall into the aforementioned traps.

But I wholly feel you on traveling outside America. It was very mentally rejuvenating when I saw my true worth in an environment where the Anti-Black Crony SMV wasn't the standard. And TBH, I have been slacking on my international traveling due to trying to pay off my debts once and for all. But I'll get back and ramp up on that as soon as my money is right.

As for having thicker skin, that should go without saying. And perhaps that's something I need to work on. But I can do that a lot easier in an environment where I'm seen in the neutral category instead of the scapegoat category.

I am sorry Sus, but what you are stating is incredibly false.

Racism exists in the UK and Canada, I would strongly disagree with the statement blacks are more wanted in those countries. Racism is strong in both countries, they even have a political party in the UK called BNP (British National Party) that is in favour of sending foreigners back "home". Last time I checked the Democrats or Republicans did not have that same mandate.

Blacks in the UK struggle just as badly as in America. Have you been to those countries? Mate I have lived and worked in both, there is no utopia.

There is no neutral playing field, you have to fight for what you want. Some would say that America had affirmative action, that was totally unheard of in Canada and the UK. The glass ceiling is very real in Canada and these companies are ruthless. To get a decent job nowadays, you better know someone. If not then starting a small business is the other alternative.

I have talked to quite a few guys offline, many of them have decent jobs and make good money. I would struggle to find the same amount of black guys living a comparative lifestyle in Canada and the UK.

Just to add to what I said earlier, I have an Indian friend who just took a decent job in Seattle.

The job is paying him $225K per year, he was unsure whether he should take the job or not. He asked how much the job pays in Canada working with the same company, it pays $135K (Cdn). I told him he would be mad to turn it down, Canada will always be here.

The reason he was scared is because he is a Muslim, he doesn't dress like one but his wife wears the hijab.

He has been there almost 3 months and simply loves it, he just bought a big house for an incredible price. There is 60ft space between him and his neighbours, on both sides.

No one I know or have heard of lives like that in the UK, accept the 1%. I have been in some big houses in Canada, but for that same size house would run 4x the price or way more.

The kicker is that the company (very well known) couldn't find people locally for that role. The interview process is brutal, only 4 out of a 100 people pass the tests.

My friends, that is the American dream.

I've always wanted to live in London. Every Brit I know looks at me crazy.

Is that much different than New York?

WIA

@Archie - London is a great city.

We have always stated that NYC and London are very similar places.

The main problem is that you need to make good money in both.

I don't know about NYC, but in London you see professionals earning good money living in a house-share like they are in college.

I think it is time for Moma and I to drop another show, we will discuss this topic further.

Sus, there is no place in this galaxy that will provide what you described.

I dunno, I guess I see my Blackness as more of an Asset rather than a Liability. Once you stop focusing so much on the negatives of being black, I think life will get a whole helluva lot easier. I do not carry the burdens of anyone else on my shoulders, hell my own baggage is heavy enough.
Look all the shit we had to overcome in this country, and we're still here, thriving for the most part and continuing to grow, no matter how many burdens have been placed in our path. I think it was 2Pac that said, "If they could be black, they would switch!"
Black men are the most desirable men among any other group in the world, whether women choose to admit or not. Like I said, with age comes wisdom, you'll get it sooner or later.

(05-05-2016 12:48 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  You don't have to be a coon or a thug to get pussy, just don't be a punk.

Rep point worthy material

I had my first bad experience with a black woman yesterday.

For most of my college career, black women have been my go-to. I couldn't understand why so many people were decrying them as being feminist, need-no-man harpies; I assumed this only applied to hood chicks and not to the ones I was meeting in college. The black girls I was meeting were attractive, fairly chilled out, and didn't play games; if they were willing to fuck, they did, and if they didn't, then they made that perfectly clear. Overall, I respected and enjoyed them a lot more than the neurotic Indian, Asian, and white girls I was used to chasing.

Pan to yesterday, when I take this cute Nigerian girl out for dinner. I had tried Netflix and Chilling with her a week earlier, which failed, but we ended up having a pretty great conversation, possibly one of the best that I've had with a woman in recent years. I decided I'd try taking her out and getting to know her a little...something new, you know, since I've spent the last year singlemindedly running caveman game. I was pretty excited to see her, since I'd never even considered the possibility of a real relationship beforehand.

Unfortunately, it went to shit. She was weirdly angry and confrontational the whole time. I tried touching her arm, got yelled at for not asking consent. Jokingly said that she owed me dinner, got attitude about how "I could try her cooking, but she didn't OWE me anything". The winner was when she told me that she used to be able to bench two hundred pounds. This is strong as fuck for a girl, and I said so. Guess how she responded:

"No, that's not just fucking good for a girl, its not fucking good for a black person, it's good PERIOD. How misogynist of you!"

Needless to say, I told her that it wasn't working out, and left. That was my first time dealing with a feminist, need-no-man black girl...and it fucking SUCKED. I can't imagine dealing with crap like that on a regular basis. I don't think black girls in my school are generally like this, seeing as she's the first one I've met, but I could see this being a problem the older they get and the more SJW material they ingest. I'm beginning to understand why you guys are so willing to go abroad. I love black women too, but fuck if I'm going to deal with that ever again.

That girl was obviously not 1st generation. Sorry you had those experiences, but most of them aren't bad at all.

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 01:35 PM)Moma Wrote:  Sus, that's your lot, you have to deal with it. Don't worry about what non minorities have to do or not do, worry about how you remain competitive. Secondly, it is also jarring when black guys on this side of the pond think that we have it hunky dory in Europe. The same issues within the black community regarding non thuggish black males dating higher range black lizards were also encountered. Not every guy wants a white Serbian or Polish lizard for sex. I'll take a layup but that's not where my heart is at. I like black lizards primarily and I had to deal with a lot of fair share of aggro in the community. British accent is commonplace in Europe so no edge with that. Many of you guys here think in these absolute states of mind and you think cos white Europeans don't hold an open disdain for blacks in Europe that it is paradise.

I'd love to see a datasheet here from a black guy from America who has moved to Europe, had a family AND is now trying to integrate into the community. Europe does not permit levels of integration where you can empower your community, regardless of how much money you bring to the table. In Europe, they are governed by culture, America is by money. It's easy to sing praises of Europe as this monolithic golden entity when you are just touring, sniping off blondes and brunettes for sex. But it's a different saga when you DON'T want white lizards and you want to live there as an integrated member of society.

Yo , Mo! Tell us more.

LOL! I would rather not have this thread sink into a moan pit which this podcast series sought to avoid. As men, we need to move towards viable and realistic solutions and this is what I have always desired as a man. The fantasy stuff is baloney. However, if you insist...

(05-05-2016 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I've always wanted to live in London. Every Brit I know looks at me crazy.

Is that much different than New York?

WIA

It's like New York but with less rats, pizza and nasal accent. To enjoy the same standard of living in America, you will need to make a handsome amount of money and I'm talking Mario Van Peebles handsome. If money is no object, London is fun. Weather is overcast A LOT (think of Seattle) and you pay in units for things you wouldn't expect. You're limited to sweet, salty and ordinary popcorn in the cinema (movie theatres). You are, however, on the doorstep of Europe, only but a train ride/ferry away.

Guys need to let go of the idea of a "pussy paradise."

Sure, there are spots where it's easier to get laid for some guys, but there is no paradise on this earth that will check every box you want. That is child-like thinking and it will harm you in the long run.

When I first expatriated a year ago, I was like "oh shit, I made a mistake!" I hated this place. I hated the people, the food, the bizarre customs, but now I'm really enjoying it. Sure, there is a lot of dumb shit that happens here, but you learn to minimize your exposure to the shit and maximize your time doing the cool shit.


I'm not convinced Europe is some paradise for black men. But I've long since given up on trying to fit in and find a paradise. Wherever I go I'm going to get what I need, so I'll just go where I like, regardless of what guys in real life or on the forum have to say about it. I usually look at things beyond the women when I travel. What's the weather like? What's the economy like? What other countries can I hit up from here?

When I told dudes I was moving to China, a few haters on this forum (can't remember these guys, but they were low-rep wonders who never contributed) messaged me and tried to discourage me. But haters gonna do what they're gonna do.

@ SuS , stop whining and feeling sorry for yourself..

(05-05-2016 05:08 PM)Agastya Wrote:  Unfortunately, it went to shit. She was weirdly angry and confrontational the whole time. I tried touching her arm, got yelled at for not asking consent. Jokingly said that she owed me dinner, got attitude about how "I could try her cooking, but she didn't OWE me anything".

LOL.

Well, I've dealt with a ton of these.

"I can tell right now, it's gonna be a long night"

If you're trying to bang, you've got to hit em with the Steve Harvey
1) slow down the tempo of the interaction, maybe even switch topics, so you can switch moods..but
2) Attempt to get to the bottom of the issue
3) Say, "Who hurt you?" - you're basically recognizing her behavior as a cry for help. Don't take her BS for an answer.

From there it's just drilling down to why she's so defensive, edgy, on guard.

Now the fact that you were trying to bang from the last date means she was probably extra on guard about what you wanted to do. Which is why the pattern is 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

The caveman strategy strokes your ego.
Deliberately toying with her emotions and hormones gets her to stroke your dick.

That being said, I wouldn't fuck a chick that can bench 200.

WIA

(05-05-2016 06:17 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I've always wanted to live in London. Every Brit I know looks at me crazy.

Is that much different than New York?

WIA

It's like New York but with less rats, pizza and nasal accent. To enjoy the same standard of living in America, you will need to make a handsome amount of money and I'm talking Mario Van Peebles handsome. If money is no object, London is fun. Weather is overcast A LOT (think of Seattle) and you pay in units for things you wouldn't expect. You're limited to sweet, salty and ordinary popcorn in the cinema (movie theatres). You are, however, on the doorstep of Europe, only but a train ride/ferry away.

Not got experience with New York but I can echo that London is definitely a place you can only truly enjoy with decent income.

Cheap EasyJet flights to the continent means you can do regular trips to an EE pussy paradise or sunnier location whenever you want.

Diversity and quality of cuisine in London is excellent. Transport is efficient. Talent is great and you can find every ethnicity desired.

Weather is generally cold and rainy, but you'll get used to it. I've heard it's not as extreme hot-cold as NY so it'd be preferable.

And yes no butter popcorn. Nor as much diversity and tastiness in fast food. But we do have far better chocolate than in the states.

(05-05-2016 12:26 PM)SuS Wrote:  I went down the non-stereotypical route because I was aware very early in life that my upbringing was one where the environment, community, and elders were fucking failures. I didn't want to have the same struggle those before me went through due to their laziness and victimhood. And in my mind, I decided that disassociating myself from American black culture was the best way to do that. To be honest, I was adverse to game in general due to how in the case of black men, game = being a thug/dopeboy/tricking ass nigga.

All of those adverse experiences have driven me to the point where I intentionally avoid anything that would be associated with American black culture. And I'll admit for a moment, I was in full Carlton mode, but built a masculine edge to myself eventually. But instead of a "superthug/swagged out" image, it was more of a "MMA/surfer/sports jock" image.

IMHO, the ultimate solution for non-stereotypical black men is to leave the United States. Between the mASSES of blacks choosing ghetto and swag culture as their standard, and the majority of non-blacks refusing to differentiate between ghetto and non-ghetto blacks (and in some cases hating the latter more), if you're a black man who doesn't put on a shuck-and-jive act, you have almost no place in America. Of course there are exceptions like the Bay Area, Seattle, and a few other places west of the Mississippi River, but even then you'll still have to deal with issues non-black American men face like female mind games, extreme feminism, used goods, undateable women, divorce rates, etc.

And even though I'm not throwing shade at anyone in particular, I'm still amazed at those even on this forum who critizes black men who simply want better in their lives. In addition, blacks from outside of America telling black American men to essentially "stay in your place" and not see how life is like outside of America also rubs me the wrong way.

The reason why I'm stating all of this is because other non-black minorities don't have to face the conundrum American black men face. Non-black minorities can be nerdy and still pull tail. Non-black minorities have women who back them up and want them to win in life. Non-black minorities don't have to ask how they'll be treated in every country, state, city, and neighboehood they plan to visit. Non-black minorities don't have to act like buffons and dress overly thuggish nor overly sophisticated to get ass. Non-black minorities don't have to play the victimhood and white supremacy game to get sympathy and support. Non-black minorities don't have to get called sellouts and cornballs by women by doing the exact thing that causes most women to be attracted to them (make money). These are the questions that black men need to ask.

Instead of being reactive to cunts who sold out to feminism and having to adapt to their rules, why can't black men be proactive and set the fucking rules so that "gaming" isn't a necessity for sex and companionship with hos who have over 100,000 miles of dick in their odometer.

I am from NYC and 5 and a half years ago I left for Cologne, Germany and I am on your side. Its far from paradise here but one thing I do like about being here is as soon as people find out you are American.. you are treated as an American and not as an African American. There is no expectation of being a thug/coon/superswag or any of that shit because that shit simply doesnt exist here. All those expectations and prejudices will be gone. I mean some people will always assume you can sing or dance because you are black but thats the most of it. Africans here are unfortunately not seen well in my opinion and Im guessing because alot of them are refugees and uneducated. You could be mistaken for one of them because Germans cant tell the difference.

Again its NOT paradise here but I can't be bothered with dating in the US anymore. In a twist of fate I have had good experiences with the few single American girls I have met here. Again its a different mindset.

(05-05-2016 06:58 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Guys need to let go of the idea of a "pussy paradise."

Sure, there are spots where it's easier to get laid for some guys, but there is no paradise on this earth that will check every box you want. That is child-like thinking and it will harm you in the long run.

When I first expatriated a year ago, I was like "oh shit, I made a mistake!" I hated this place. I hated the people, the food, the bizarre customs, but now I'm really enjoying it. Sure, there is a lot of dumb shit that happens here, but you learn to minimize your exposure to the shit and maximize your time doing the cool shit.


I'm not convinced Europe is some paradise for black men. But I've long since given up on trying to fit in and find a paradise. Wherever I go I'm going to get what I need, so I'll just go where I like, regardless of what guys in real life or on the forum have to say about it. I usually look at things beyond the women when I travel. What's the weather like? What's the economy like? What other countries can I hit up from here?

When I told dudes I was moving to China, a few haters on this forum (can't remember these guys, but they were low-rep wonders who never contributed) messaged me and tried to discourage me. But haters gonna do what they're gonna do.

Ive traveled around as well and so far there is no paradise. However my experiences in Europe and with European women have greatly eclipsed my experiences with American women. In fact, I have more European flags than American flags and I was born and raised in the US!

I am a stronger supporter of black men moving to Europe who are sick and tired of the BS. Again its not a panacea for all but its a step in the right direction.

Valentine - What would you say the cost of living is like in London? When you go out for a meal, typically how much do you pay?

Kirdiesel - I have heard in several cities in Germany, they don't allow blacks in. Is this true? I know Germans do not like Turks, how do they feel about Blacks or Africans? Reading the migrant thread it sounds like the place is under chaos.

(05-05-2016 08:32 PM)Valentine Wrote:  Not got experience with New York but I can echo that London is definitely a place you can only truly enjoy with decent income.

Cheap EasyJet flights to the continent means you can do regular trips to an EE pussy paradise or sunnier location whenever you want.

Diversity and quality of cuisine in London is excellent. Transport is efficient. Talent is great and you can find every ethnicity desired.

Weather is generally cold and rainy, but you'll get used to it. I've heard it's not as extreme hot-cold as NY so it'd be preferable.

And yes no butter popcorn. Nor as much diversity and tastiness in fast food. But we do have far better chocolate than in the states.

I'm getting the sense that a decent 1 bedroom flat is gonna run 1500 sterling, which is 2100+ USD.

And if you go by the idea that your rent should only be 1/4 of your net salary - that's a tall order. @ a typical us TAX rate, that's 160K a year.

Plus all the food looks to be twice what I would pay here.

WIA