Sus, have you listened to any of the podcasts? We covered every modicum of this in the pods. Your experience is not unique.

(05-07-2016 09:36 AM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 09:32 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Do you any of you have women in your social circle that don't find black men attractive?

Does it offend you at all? I've had a German chick recently confide in me telling me that she just doesn't find black guys appealing at all.

I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one side I feel its racist but on one side I feel like people have the right to their preferences.

I would say this chick is lying to you.

(05-07-2016 09:39 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 09:32 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Do you any of you have women in your social circle that don't find black men attractive?

Does it offend you at all? I've had a German chick recently confide in me telling me that she just doesn't find black guys appealing at all.

I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one side I feel its racist but on one side I feel like people have the right to their preferences.

Black men is such a wide scope. Is she not attracted to the skin tone? Because that is really the only thing globally that unifies black men. Behaviour is not universal. I would ask questions to find out. Often when I convey my preference, I find the lizards tone eventually changes because most lizards want to be desired to some degree.

(05-07-2016 10:51 AM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ I wouldn't know anything about german chicks, but if she's being real then there's nothing you can do about it. Still sticking to my guns and saying that it's most likely a shit test.

It was just a question... but it seems like the overall sentiment is denial that a player with the right execution and game can crack her. I am not interested in the girl at all but it was just a question that popped up in conversation.

Like I said she's just an acquaintance of mine.. I just wanted to see how you guys feel about it but honestly... I wont confront her about it or anything but I am leaning on the side of offended.

I used to discriminate based on race but with time ive learned that its wrong. Every race has attractive women. It doesn't matter if shes black, asian. eskimo, Austrialian or what.

kirdiesel, what about pure blood Aboriginal lizard? Never seen a stunner yet!!

(05-07-2016 04:45 PM)Moma Wrote:  kirdiesel, what about pure blood Aboriginal lizard? Never seen a stunner yet!!

They definitely exist, but not as many. There are quite a few here in Alberta. Not too many hotties, but mostly due to shitty diet, rough lives, and drug and alcohol addictions. Most likely their parents led the same life.

I bet a generation of clean eating would bring out a lot more stunners.

(05-07-2016 06:51 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 04:45 PM)Moma Wrote:  kirdiesel, what about pure blood Aboriginal lizard? Never seen a stunner yet!!

They definitely exist, but not as many. There are quite a few here in Alberta. Not too many hotties, but mostly due to shitty diet, rough lives, and drug and alcohol addictions. Most likely their parents led the same life.

I bet a generation of clean eating would bring out a lot more stunners.

So is a First Nation lizard the same as an Abbo from Auzzie Land? I saw quite a few in Winnipeg. I saw a fine mixed one (mixed with white) and I also knew another one who was mixed with Nigerian (shaped like a bowling ball though).

I still enjoy hitting up the club with a few friends to get some lays. I went out last night to this cheap club and had a ball. Danced with a bunch of chicks and drank a lot.

I didn't get any numbers but I wasn't there for that. I was just trying to get the Johnson wet and not number hunt.

If I go solo then I'm posted up early at the bar. It's perfect when a NBA game is on therefore I can watch the game and talk about it with the bartenders. Any girl that comes my way I can hit on and see where it leads. If not, I will always have the game as a sort of 'wing'.

By the way, Damien Lilliard is a straight baller!!

(05-07-2016 11:57 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  I agree with the overall sentiment, who fucking cares. Honestly, I don't like YT girls, but I will fuck the shit outta one. Better put, I'm not socially attracted to YT women, but I'm physically attracted to anything with a vagina.

What the hell is YT? haha

(05-07-2016 01:42 PM)SuS Wrote:  You can call this a cry for help, but I just need to really know how to game in a way I feel comfortable with. And while the podcast have been useful, what I'm hearing seems more applicable on an international scale.

I really hate to post stuff like this, because it's not my style.

SUS, honestly, you sound like a whiny guy who doesn't want to work and you're creeping up on game denialism territory.

Learning the game in the beginning was so fucking hard. It isn't easy. That's why this forum has so many dudes who sign up, buy gold membership and then stop posting after they do 100 approaches and wonder "why isn't it working?"

I still regularly fuck up in the game, but that's a part of learning. You build resilience and toughness when you put yourself out there and approach girls in intimidating situations.

There is no cure-all in the game. Grind it out online and fail (like I did) or start hitting up the club like many other dudes did, or go outside during the day and put in the work there.

Hell, JOFsuperman was running some ridiculous form of fake sugardaddy game because he thought approaching was useless for him. If your'e gonna avoid approaching, then you got to get creative and none of us can teach you that. That has to come with experience.


To me, it sounds like you have a fast-food mentality. You want to just be able to press a few keys on your phone, hit a chick up on tinder, have her come to your spot and nail her in all of 5 minutes. Sure, we all want that, but that isn't real life for most of us.


If you want that, you'll have to go to Phils or Thailand.

When was the last time you guys did a cold approach?

Last week while crossing a street I saw a Tall Mexican girl with beautiful long curly hair. Stopped her for a bit, didn't really go anywhere as her English was non existent and my Spanish sucks.

Are all your dates from Internet? (Tinder)

In the past year I would say that more of my dates came from Tinder than approaching. I was living in Cambodia until like 2 months ago. where the community was very small and every girl knows each other so I didn't get to approach all that much so I basically relied on Tinder. Now that I'm in Mexico I'm trying to rely more on approaching than Tinder but Its hard because its so damn easy on Tinder here.

When was the last time you booked a trip and went solo? (without consulting anyone)

I do this quite often. In December I went to Vietnam solo, but ended up randomly bumping into another Forum member that I had met up with in a previous country I visited.

How about hitting a club solo!

When I was just getting into game I would hit up clubs solo looking for girls all the time. Now a days I just like to go out to have fun, whether its talking to chicks or just popping bottles and having fun with my boys. I prefer to have a solid crew.

(05-07-2016 09:10 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 01:42 PM)SuS Wrote:  You can call this a cry for help, but I just need to really know how to game in a way I feel comfortable with. And while the podcast have been useful, what I'm hearing seems more applicable on an international scale.

I really hate to post stuff like this, because it's not my style.

SUS, honestly, you sound like a whiny guy who doesn't want to work and you're creeping up on game denialism territory.

Learning the game in the beginning was so fucking hard. It isn't easy. That's why this forum has so many dudes who sign up, buy gold membership and then stop posting after they do 100 approaches and wonder "why isn't it working?"

I still regularly fuck up in the game, but that's a part of learning. You build resilience and toughness when you put yourself out there and approach girls in intimidating situations.

There is no cure-all in the game. Grind it out online and fail (like I did) or start hitting up the club like many other dudes did, or go outside during the day and put in the work there.

Hell, JOFsuperman was running some ridiculous form of fake sugardaddy game because he thought approaching was useless for him. If your'e gonna avoid approaching, then you got to get creative and none of us can teach you that. That has to come with experience.


To me, it sounds like you have a fast-food mentality. You want to just be able to press a few keys on your phone, hit a chick up on tinder, have her come to your spot and nail her in all of 5 minutes. Sure, we all want that, but that isn't real life for most of us.


If you want that, you'll have to go to Phils or Thailand.

+1 Ive been in the game a long time and I still make mistakes. I changed countries and honestly my game isnt as good as it was before I moved due the different environment but I am putting in the work in learning again. However, I am getting results!

Its a grind man but put the work in and keep paying attention to mistakes you make and youll move forward.

^ If you guys have hit game plateaus (like i have) while regularly hitting the gym and being in a OK financial situation ... i think more game theory or even more approaches will do little to alleviate the problem.

It's almost always an inner game issue. I really suggest you guys try and look into Shaolin Kungfu based Qigong. Forget the Kung Fu and focus on the mental QiGong.

Qi is basically vital energy or life force that resides within every human being and originates in the core. Women are VERY aware & sensitive to it. A Japanese girl i used to bang once said i have low Qi. I asked her what she meant but her English was not that good.

Check out this short video and see what real Shaolin monks do with Qigong. They harness that Qi energy into making almost any part of the body as hard as steel. The throat can resist a knife stab ... the abs a spear.





I started doing QiGong just over a month ago and have directed my Qi energy into my glutes and dick. My girl's legs have been gyrating even after we were done fucking which has never happened before. QiGong is also the only exercise that literally cleanses the organs.

The true value of Qigong however is mental and the results are palpable within weeks. No more brain fog. My mind feels clear like water. The stuff it does to your inner game is amazing.

I know it sounds new agey but i don't give advice on stuff i have not experienced myself. I'm still a beginners beginner. There is so much to write about this. Will probably drop a datasheet on it as i delve deeper. But i suggest you guys look into QiGong.

Here's a good place to start.

http://ymaa.com/files/B2672SimpleQigongE...Sample.pdf

We can't win the game by doing more of the same thing be it cold approaches or reading more game theory.

(05-07-2016 09:10 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 01:42 PM)SuS Wrote:  You can call this a cry for help, but I just need to really know how to game in a way I feel comfortable with. And while the podcast have been useful, what I'm hearing seems more applicable on an international scale.

I really hate to post stuff like this, because it's not my style.

SUS, honestly, you sound like a whiny guy who doesn't want to work and you're creeping up on game denialism territory.

Learning the game in the beginning was so fucking hard. It isn't easy. That's why this forum has so many dudes who sign up, buy gold membership and then stop posting after they do 100 approaches and wonder "why isn't it working?"

I still regularly fuck up in the game, but that's a part of learning. You build resilience and toughness when you put yourself out there and approach girls in intimidating situations.

There is no cure-all in the game. Grind it out online and fail (like I did) or start hitting up the club like many other dudes did, or go outside during the day and put in the work there.

Hell, JOFsuperman was running some ridiculous form of fake sugardaddy game because he thought approaching was useless for him. If your'e gonna avoid approaching, then you got to get creative and none of us can teach you that. That has to come with experience.


To me, it sounds like you have a fast-food mentality. You want to just be able to press a few keys on your phone, hit a chick up on tinder, have her come to your spot and nail her in all of 5 minutes. Sure, we all want that, but that isn't real life for most of us.


If you want that, you'll have to go to Phils or Thailand.

(05-07-2016 08:46 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  I still enjoy hitting up the club with a few friends to get some lays. I went out last night to this cheap club and had a ball. Danced with a bunch of chicks and drank a lot.

I didn't get any numbers but I wasn't there for that. I was just trying to get the Johnson wet and not number hunt.

If I go solo then I'm posted up early at the bar. It's perfect when a NBA game is on therefore I can watch the game and talk about it with the bartenders. Any girl that comes my way I can hit on and see where it leads. If not, I will always have the game as a sort of 'wing'.

By the way, Damien Lilliard is a straight baller!!

I do notice that if I go out to the club looking to have a good time that I do have fun. I'm awful at night game, but when I'm out there just talking to people, joking around and having fun I end up walking away feeling much more positive than I normally do.

(05-07-2016 11:54 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I do notice that if I go out to the club looking to have a good time that I do have fun. I'm awful at night game, but when I'm out there just talking to people, joking around and having fun I end up walking away feeling much more positive than I normally do.

The problem with night game and so on so forth is that we make our nights dependent on getting the lay. It almost generates an energy of desperation and even if the lizards don't feel it..we make our enjoyment dependent on slamming that liz. Some of the guys I know that are really good at game..they are always in game mode..so the presence and activity takes care of themselves. They may have leads mature from a flirt a week ago or longer. With regular activity, they stay busy.

(05-07-2016 11:54 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I do notice that if I go out to the club looking to have a good time that I do have fun. I'm awful at night game, but when I'm out there just talking to people, joking around and having fun I end up walking away feeling much more positive than I normally do.

One of the meta secrets of this whole thing is that you have to enjoy the thing that you're doing.

- You have to like going to the club
- You have to like making small talk
- You have to like people and socializing.

Sometimes it helps if you like women as people, though not always (lol)

I was just chatting to a cat today, smart kid, but introverted, shy, and doesn't really like dealing with people. It's hard to be a great ball player when you're on the sidelines.

Use your big brains and turn people into a problem to solve.

WIA

^ I'll add:

Before I got into Game, the thought of talking to total strangers seemed like something I wouldn't like.

Once I got into Game though, and forced myself to talk to random people - not just hot girls - I found that it not only brought me some good vibes, but it also created good vibes for whoever was lucky enough for me to happen on.

(05-07-2016 10:37 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Guys have already attacked the "she doesn't like black people" thing to death. A lot of girls will talk that game in front of their white/indian/asian/martian friends but when you get her in front of a black man with a modicum of game she'll fuck him if she thinks she can get away with it.

There is a black player on this forum who banged a white chick whose father was the leader of the local Nazi group in whatever city it was. So I'm really not that phased when I hear some chick tell me or someone they don't like black men. It just seems like a huge shit test to me.

That might be delusional on my part, but I don't buy it. Remember the basic game rule: watch what they do, not what they say.

Realistically, assuming every white girl is lying when they say they don't like black guys is a rationalization. It's like a fat girl saying all men are lying when they say they don't like fat girls. A lot of black guys don't want to admit it but there is truth when most white girls (or non-black women) say they aren't into black guys. Obviously this doesn't mean we can't pull them but being black just makes the game harder for us unless she is already into black guys. There's a reason why we have to actually have game in the first place or be relatively better than a white guy. That's just how it is.

Sure, but not pushing just because of some nonsense out of a chick's mouth is a surefire L in the game. Like I said, I could be delusion, but I don't listen when a girl tells me she doesn't like short, black, bald, Assyrian, ninja or martian guys.

Plus, even if she isn't lying, you can go find other chicks.

(05-08-2016 05:24 AM).Moose Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 10:37 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Guys have already attacked the "she doesn't like black people" thing to death. A lot of girls will talk that game in front of their white/indian/asian/martian friends but when you get her in front of a black man with a modicum of game she'll fuck him if she thinks she can get away with it.

There is a black player on this forum who banged a white chick whose father was the leader of the local Nazi group in whatever city it was. So I'm really not that phased when I hear some chick tell me or someone they don't like black men. It just seems like a huge shit test to me.

That might be delusional on my part, but I don't buy it. Remember the basic game rule: watch what they do, not what they say.

Realistically, assuming every white girl is lying when they say they don't like black guys is a rationalization. It's like a fat girl saying all men are lying when they say they don't like fat girls. A lot of black guys don't want to admit it but there is truth when most white girls (or non-black women) say they aren't into black guys. Obviously this doesn't mean we can't pull them but being black just makes the game harder for us unless she is already into black guys. There's a reason why we have to actually have game in the first place or be relatively better than a white guy. That's just how it is.

It you choose to swim upstream its harder. But you could simply go after what goes for you while becoming the best YOU that YOU can be. The game is in recognizing this and planning your strategy accordingly.

My favourite boxer of all time was Jack Johnson, I bought his book after seeing his documentary. This is a guy that was cavorting with white women at a time when black men would get lynched for even looking at a white woman. This dude simply lived his life by his own rules, he raced custom sports cars and he wore custom suits.

The establishment hated him with a passion, they created a law to stop him called the Mann Act. This law stated that you couldn't cross state lines with a woman with the intention to prostitute her, Johnson liked to party with hookers and sleep with women of ill repute.

For you younger guys, I strongly suggest his autobiography. http://www.amazon.com/Unforgivable-Black...F24JWP9B2Y

I mention this guy because he didn't make excuses, so what excuses do you really have!

As someone stated before, go out and talk to strangers.

Come out of your comfort zone.

My favorite Jack Johnson story:

Jack is driving down some road in a fast, fancy car and the police pull him over and tell him he has to pay $50 for breaking the speed limit.

Jack takes out a $100 and passes it to the cop. The cop begins to reach into his wallet for change, but Jack says something like, "keep the change, because I'll be coming back this way too."



Not sure if it's true, but that's game.

Fortis - I love that story, it is probably true.

When he went to fight in Australia, 20,000 women came out to watch him train.

(05-08-2016 08:58 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  My favourite boxer of all time was Jack Johnson, I bought his book after seeing his documentary. This is a guy that was cavorting with white women at a time when black men would get lynched for even looking at a white woman. This dude simply lived his life by his own rules, he raced custom sports cars and he wore custom suits.

The establishment hated him with a passion, they created a law to stop him called the Mann Act. This law stated that you couldn't cross state lines with a woman with the intention to prostitute her, Johnson liked to party with hookers and sleep with women of ill repute.

For you younger guys, I strongly suggest his autobiography. http://www.amazon.com/Unforgivable-Black...F24JWP9B2Y

I mention this guy because he didn't make excuses, so what excuses do you really have!

As someone stated before, go out and talk to strangers.

Come out of your comfort zone.

I have the film/documentary version of this on my hard drive, it is fantastic. I'm glad I watched it, he led a great life. If anyone wants a copy , pm me and I'll upload it.

(05-09-2016 04:55 AM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 08:58 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  My favourite boxer of all time was Jack Johnson, I bought his book after seeing his documentary. This is a guy that was cavorting with white women at a time when black men would get lynched for even looking at a white woman. This dude simply lived his life by his own rules, he raced custom sports cars and he wore custom suits.

The establishment hated him with a passion, they created a law to stop him called the Mann Act. This law stated that you couldn't cross state lines with a woman with the intention to prostitute her, Johnson liked to party with hookers and sleep with women of ill repute.

For you younger guys, I strongly suggest his autobiography. http://www.amazon.com/Unforgivable-Black...F24JWP9B2Y

I mention this guy because he didn't make excuses, so what excuses do you really have!

As someone stated before, go out and talk to strangers.

Come out of your comfort zone.

I have the film/documentary version of this on my hard drive, it is fantastic. I'm glad I watched it, he led a great life. If anyone wants a copy , pm me and I'll upload it.

What's the name of the documentary?

Vin - title is the same name as the book, directed by Ken Burns.

http://www.pbs.org/unforgivableblackness/