(03-18-2016 12:13 PM)Parzival Wrote:  http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/artic...ommen.html

My first impression is that this was written to fabricate a cassus belli against Turkey.

In the long game... the refugees need to go somewhere. Forced resettlement to asia minor is acceptable.

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article153...ommen.html

Quote:For the "world" they have calculated five scenarios of how the number of refugees will develop. In the best case can be the number of refugees - According SAT - until the end of 2016 to 1.8 million people reduce, at worst they will rise to 6.4 million. Say: The more than a million people who have already reached Germany, come back at least 800,000 added, a maximum of even 5.4 million. "There is no switch, with which one other refugee flows and can ausknipsen" says Thomas Doctor, CEO of SAT.

The SAT strategists have simulated what it would mean if the already smoldering conflict zones in Africa escalate. Especially Nigeria with its strong dependence on oil and the threat of Boko Haram terror deemed State which could tilt. But also from countries such as Chad, Sudan or the Congo, larger waves of refugees to worry about. If it comes to a lot of people would do in addition to the path, taking advantage of especially the politically unstable Libya as a nodal point on the way to Europe. After crossing the Mediterranean then Italy and Spain were the regions through which reach the African migrants Germany.

   

Even when Turkey close the borders and only a few Syrians get in, there will be other ways to Europe. With the conflicts all over the world, more people are on the move. At the end we can not avoid walls, fences and protection of the borders when we want to keep what is ours.

(03-18-2016 01:13 PM)storm Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 12:13 PM)Parzival Wrote:  http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/artic...ommen.html

My first impression is that this was written to fabricate a cassus belli against Turkey.

In the long game... the refugees need to go somewhere. Forced resettlement to asia minor is acceptable.

It would be cheaper to build up camps in the arab countries with western money. There is enough space for them. Saudi Arabia did close the borders for a reason. Why bring in backward, cultural strange people to western europe, when you could keep them safe in big camps in the desert in their own cultural area?

Out of those camps, Europe could accept a few, that have a change to fit into society. Skilled people and women.

Any chance of Eastern Europe putting a stop to the visa thing and Turkish accession especially?

What's humorous to me though is that they basically agreed on the Australian solution, which the plebs had been saying was the correct course all along over the "experts."

(03-18-2016 01:37 PM)Parzival Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:13 PM)storm Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 12:13 PM)Parzival Wrote:  http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/artic...ommen.html

My first impression is that this was written to fabricate a cassus belli against Turkey.

In the long game... the refugees need to go somewhere. Forced resettlement to asia minor is acceptable.

It would be cheaper to build up camps in the arab countries with western money. There is enough space for them. Saudi Arabia did close the borders for a reason. Why bring in backward, cultural strange people to western europe, when you could keep them safe in big camps in the desert in their own cultural area?

It was always a win-win bet:
- either immigrants flood the nations and there is cheap labor. OR
- immigrants cause a rise of a centralized power, with the elites emerging at the appropriate time to take power

Nobody of consequence has ever cared about the migrants. Do you really think the career Machiavellian sociopaths in the EU care about the migrants? They cry the same way Gordon Ramsey does, and with just as much sympathy. It's all a game for power, and this is their brilliant gambit. Mama merkel is about as motherly as a brothel madame.

Leftwing retard Greek woman goes to help out poor Muzzies, and has all of her possessions devoured as if she went into a locust swarm:

^ The more I see them the more they look like gypsies to me. It's the goddamn same. The difference is that the gypsies that live near me are not violent. Unlike those people.

(03-18-2016 01:43 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Any chance of Eastern Europe putting a stop to the visa thing and Turkish accession especially?

What's humorous to me though is that they basically agreed on the Australian solution, which the plebs had been saying was the correct course all along over the "experts."

I don't think this is equivalent to the Australian solution. That solution includes a clause that if you sneak into Australia as an illegal immigrant, you're never, ever getting anything more than bread and water in a prison camp. Whereas if someone sneaks into Germany (or France or UK or Sweden), they are showered with riches.

I wish one of them had driven off with her car...

(03-18-2016 02:13 PM)Mike5055 Wrote:  I wish one of them had driven off with her car...

by the way the back doors were open and they were constantly looking into it I was sure it would eventually happen. they probably stole anything that was on the back seats

Im berlin atm.....something that nobody is reporting on is that there was a car bombing here two days ago. It apparently had "nothing to do with Islamic terrorism".

Car bombing? Definitely not islam.

(03-18-2016 04:35 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Im berlin atm.....something that nobody is reporting on is that there was a car bombing here two days ago. It apparently had "nothing to do with Islamic terrorism".

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50253...pid1250396

It was a "German" soulmate of Turkish descent who happened to be a professional drug dealer, most likely due to having to suffer from difficult circumstances in life. Seems like the people he fucked over didn't get the memo on how to be tolerant. But that's probably because they too had difficult circumstances in life. Let's just accept the diversity they bless us with.

A video from a first generation immagrant from sweden explaining the madness going on in sweden. I wonder if we will ever be able to have a rational and fact-based discussion about "immigration". Right now if you even so much as touch on the topic you be labeled racist. Free speech right? I feel sad for what my country is turning into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw

Nobody with a couple of brain cells working would say the Turkey deal is good for the EU. Its bribing someone to let you in but they throw you out 5 minutes later.

And lets not forget Turkey has internal problems too, both social and external. They're bombing kurds in Syria, Iraq and Turkey and the Kurds retaliate. Turkish government is going to become even more authoritarian and as we all know when it comes to violence in these hot climates, it only gets worse, not better.

So what will happen should Turkey destabilise?

(03-18-2016 05:10 PM)BallsOverFaults Wrote:  A video from a first generation immagrant from sweden explaining the madness going on in sweden. I wonder if we will ever be able to have a rational and fact-based discussion about "immigration". Right now if you even so much as touch on the topic you be labeled racist. Free speech right? I feel sad for what my country is turning into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw

That guy is absolutely amazing. Fanastic summary of Sweden's descent into hell. Watched and subscribed.

Quote:It would be cheaper to build up camps in the arab countries with western money. There is enough space for them. Saudi Arabia did close the borders for a reason. Why bring in backward, cultural strange people to western europe, when you could keep them safe in big camps in the desert in their own cultural area?

Concentrating a bunch of people who likely already blame or can easily be convinced to blame the West for their position who "migrated" with little to no possessions after implied promises of "European wealth" in close proximity to the fount of Islamic Jihadi ideology. Ya, what could go wrong?

Quote:It was always a win-win bet:
- either immigrants flood the nations and there is cheap labor. OR
- immigrants cause a rise of a centralized power, with the elites emerging at the appropriate time to take power

Nobody of consequence has ever cared about the migrants. Do you really think the career Machiavellian sociopaths in the EU care about the migrants? They cry the same way Gordon Ramsey does, and with just as much sympathy. It's all a game for power, and this is their brilliant gambit. Mama merkel is about as motherly as a brothel madame.

The more I read history and observe the West's politicians in action, the less I place credence in the actual politicians, movers, and shakers having any sort of plan. For instance, I would not be surprised if Merkel just thought her tweet would create some good feelz (liberal enlightenment signaling) and was utterly unprepared and didn't expect what followed.

The economist dolts they trotted out to write op-eds about the potential benefits young migrants post-hoc? You really think that was the impetus?

As to being able to consolidate power through the resulting chaos, that is a somewhat more justifiable interpretation, but still lacking in credence IMO.

In a simple formula: for many, it is more comforting to think their leaders are evil geniuses instead of incompetent, high-time preference self-interested, globalist-ideologues.

(03-18-2016 04:35 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Im berlin atm.....something that nobody is reporting on is that there was a car bombing here two days ago. It apparently had "nothing to do with Islamic terrorism".

It was mostly a drug related crime. Not every muslim immigrant is a terrorist. Mostly are just criminals.
Some time ago there was a shooting als well. In Amsterdam they beheaded a guy these days, its related to the Moroccan drug gangs.

(03-18-2016 06:16 PM)Parzival Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 04:35 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Im berlin atm.....something that nobody is reporting on is that there was a car bombing here two days ago. It apparently had "nothing to do with Islamic terrorism".

It was mostly a drug related crime. Not every muslim immigrant is a terrorist. Mostly are just criminals.
Some time ago there was a shooting als well. In Amsterdam they beheaded a guy these days, its related to the Moroccan drug gangs.

Who cares what they call it, it's non-White crime imported from outside of Europe. Terrorism, drug-related, who fucking cares it's all the same.

I don't like your tone young man. This are single cases of young men that struggle with the intolerance in western societies. Those people are forced into illegal activities because of the prejudgements the European societies have against immigrants.

Roma Gypsy pretends to be Muslim, begging in their neighborhoods for money.

Gets confronted by Muslims for his con.

(03-18-2016 08:49 PM)Bobb Johnson Wrote:  Roma Gypsy pretends to be Muslim, begging in their neighborhoods for money.

Gets confronted by Muslims for his con.

Gypsies are just amazing people. Wherever they go, they have to gyp and make themselves be hated by everyone

Speech from Victor Orban:

Amazing speech! Orban is on par with Putin, Le Pen and Trump - truly a hero of our times.

Just one note though: whenever you talk about the migrant invasion threatening the European culture, be sure to point out not just the "Europe's Christian culture", but also the "Europe's secular culture". The rabid SJWs won't accept it, of course, but many secular people are also disturbed by this and are aware of the looming threat [which is evident from how Islamic countries treat atheists and agnostics, not just Christians).

Over the past year I've been especially proud of my Hungarian heritage, and this speech really confirms that.