(02-19-2016 06:56 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  @kaotic: Are you drinking any soda or consuming any hidden sugar on a regular basis? From what I've read it's the sugar and not the fats that raise the cholesterol and trig levels.

Never, not even with alcohol.

Well, I might occasionally have a sprite when I'm hungover, but that's rare.

I do use honey on slice of bread in a peanut butter sandwich before working out, there is sugar in my preworkout also.

Roger that Tex, I'll check that out.

Been trying to knock me a new girl at work. I work at multiple sites so it's no big deal. This new manager started making small talk and Basically she was gaming me, putting out a real flirty vibe from the start. We exchanged numbers and she's been texting me a few times not work related. Since she came on strong I decided to ask her to hang out outside of work this weekend. She didn't say no but she changed the subject avoiding the question. She kept the convo going and even hit me up the next day.

I'm thinking this chick has a boyfriend and she just really likes attention. Why else would she bait me like this. Another thing is she moved from bartender to manager. So she's probably a professional flirt who likes to fuck with dudes mentally.

Kaotic,

We seem to have some some health styles. I also eat about 2 chicken breasts a day, etc. I really don't like putting too much crap in my body, except for when I'm drinking.

It is almost hard to drink alcohol healthily. When I'm at home by myself I don't drink much (maybe some whisky or wine). When I go out, I try to avoid beer as long as I can and go with Gin tonic. Is there a consensus for a good drink for the health conscious (gym rat) player?

(02-21-2016 02:23 AM)Fury Wrote:  Kaotic,

We seem to have some some health styles. I also eat about 2 chicken breasts a day, etc. I really don't like putting too much crap in my body, except for when I'm drinking.

It is almost hard to drink alcohol healthily. When I'm at home by myself I don't drink much (maybe some whisky or wine). When I go out, I try to avoid beer as long as I can and go with Gin tonic. Is there a consensus for a good drink for the health conscious (gym rat) player?

Vodka + club soda + lime. Thank me later.

Need a bit of advice. This is my last day in a mexican beach town so it's do or die time. Meeting up with a leggy fair skinned 19 year old to go for a walk on the beach and catch sundown. I have already hung out with this chick and made out with her, two nights ago. She may be down to fuck but is not overtly so. Should I hold off on kissing her on the beach so as to protect plausible deniability and then try to get her back up to my hotel? Not sure what my alibi is going to be for getting her up to my hotel either. My hotel is on the beach.

Thanks.

(02-21-2016 03:43 AM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 02:23 AM)Fury Wrote:  Kaotic,

We seem to have some some health styles. I also eat about 2 chicken breasts a day, etc. I really don't like putting too much crap in my body, except for when I'm drinking.

It is almost hard to drink alcohol healthily. When I'm at home by myself I don't drink much (maybe some whisky or wine). When I go out, I try to avoid beer as long as I can and go with Gin tonic. Is there a consensus for a good drink for the health conscious (gym rat) player?

Vodka + club soda + lime. Thank me later.

Decent vodka + water +2 lemon slices. That's my go to.

(02-21-2016 03:01 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 03:43 AM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 02:23 AM)Fury Wrote:  Kaotic,

We seem to have some some health styles. I also eat about 2 chicken breasts a day, etc. I really don't like putting too much crap in my body, except for when I'm drinking.

It is almost hard to drink alcohol healthily. When I'm at home by myself I don't drink much (maybe some whisky or wine). When I go out, I try to avoid beer as long as I can and go with Gin tonic. Is there a consensus for a good drink for the health conscious (gym rat) player?

Vodka + club soda + lime. Thank me later.

Decent vodka + water +2 lemon slices. That's my go to.

You guys gotta learn how to take a shot just straight. When I can't throw down on the vodka+redbull, a shot of Tito's puts a pep in my step.

Had a great time at the wedding last night in the end - it made me question a few things and I did get a bit bummed. More on that later

I observed alot of shit test, semi weak men, couples fests, and human interaction.

-My good friend couldn't handle his angry drunk latin woman
-She even locked him out of a room in the house for a little bit.
-She was being a bitch to him, I even called her on it in a smart ass way.
-This girl demanded I hold her glass while she catched the boquet, straight put the glass on the ground and walked away.

-Another friends girls started crying because her feet were bleeding from heels.
-Dude didn't do shit and should've taken her home, or plan before for walking around.

-Sadly we took wagers on which of our 2 friend would get wasted first.
-Men need to handle their liquor better.

-I suited up with a nice pocket square and some brown shoes.
-Complemented on the custom suit and shoes all night.
-I felt confident and handsome as fuck, it's a great feeling, glad I didn't dress down.
-Had an older lady open me, using the "you look my friend line", rolled with it and then walked off.


Now onto mixed thoughts:

All night I was asked where my former LTR was, then had to tell over and over that we weren't together anymore.

Kept explaining that she wanted kids and marriage in a few years, and I totally wasn't prepared for that.

Many thought we meshed well, that she was super beautiful, that we'd end up getting married.

A few knew I was banging girls on the side, but they knew my emotions and love was solely for her. (Yes, I know this might sound fucked upped)

My friends fiance said she saw some of my ex's snapchats posting stuff saying she missed me, friend fiance reached out to her, they chatted, she said it was really hard and she missed me, don't know when this was discussed.

But just around a month after we broke up she got a man.


Now I'm not pining over her, yes I do have a slight thought or so missing the cool times. Then I look at my last few lays and can't complain about life.

Perhaps I was just in a semi weak state after dealing with a wedding and surrounded by couples. Being constantly reminded of my former LTR didn't help obviously.

Obviously we all have had days where we daydream or think about having some rad women in our lives, then we're immediately yanked back to down to the truth and realities of our situations.

Granted, we always desire ourselves to achieve whatever goals/fantasies/etc we have.....which I'm not sure what the fuck I'm doing.

Sometimes I feel like I'm just banging away at life and women, with no other purpose.

Some other times I've got a fire lit under my ass and I'm going ham.

It's that post cumming scenario, where you got your nut, never thought so damn clearly in your entire life, then it's gone just like that.


Rereading this seems I'm kind of in a funk, maybe I'm just tired.

Rule #0 of night game:

If a girl at a rave who took her crop top off and is grinding against you, don't stop to bust a move to get people to create a circle around you then high five you. Odds are the girl will be convinced in that 2 minute period by her ugly friend why she shouldn't leave with you.

High Fives and hugs/number<<<<<getting your dick wet

There is a myth popular among game theorists that if you fuck a girl good once she is set onto your rotation, this is bs. To get her solid on the rotation you need to fuck her three times, some girls it is once and some it is five but a good general rule is 3. This is something I learned from one of the most notorious players in the world with over 500 lays that I spoke with after getting tired of girls going cold after 1-2 lays or 2-3 dates and me screwing up over text some. He said he ran into a similar problem and talked to other advance guys and figured this general rule out.
I post this because last night at my favorite club in my hometown in the Midwest I ran into two girls I had previously fucked, one who I fucked on New Years Eve and then went on a couple gym dates with her but wasn't able to fuck he again due to time and logistics (had to goto work and I moved back in with my rents after Colombia) I sent here some really sexual text day after we worked out the first time but thought it was safe because she sent me some the day after we hooked up. She got really defensive and I tried recovering but the frame had been messed up already, we hung out one more time working out and then number went cold the next week. I saw her last night and she had her male friend act like her boyfriend when I came to say hi. lol
The other girl I fucked was a cute S Korean exchange student I fucked twice back in May and hung out with another night downtown. She then went back to Korea and I thought I would never see her again. She came back and was receptive when I said hi to her and started chatting her up, I said lets dance and eventually I pull her from her friends and dance with her some and then chat her up in the lounge area. I then says lets take shots at my car and she obliges with some resistance. She tells me she liked me but she thought I was a playboy. I deny it but we get to my car and make out and feel her up, try getting to goto my friends apartment nearby but she wouldn't so I get her to hop in the back seat and I fuck her in the back seat.

Basically two girls I fucked, two girls that liked me initially but one I kept with status quo and fucked her the third time and now she wants a relationship with me. The other I wasn't able to fuck again due to shit logistics and timing along with poorly timed text. I now have a text flow chart I follow and always have in mind the three fuck rule when getting a girl solid onto a rotation.

(02-21-2016 11:24 PM)AWright Wrote:  There is a myth popular among game theorists that if you fuck a girl good once she is set onto your rotation, this is bs. To get her solid on the rotation you need to fuck her three times, some girls it is once and some it is five but a good general rule is 3. This is something I learned from one of the most notorious players in the world with over 500 lays that I spoke with after getting tired of girls going cold after 1-2 lays or 2-3 dates and me screwing up over text some. He said he ran into a similar problem and talked to other advance guys and figured this general rule out.

You're still a bit off. You gotta fuck her good every time.

Treat every time you fuck like your last fuck.

That is already assumed though, the first girl on one of the text when she got defensive even said, "the sex was pretty amazing but it cant happen again =)." Good sex is already assumed.

(02-21-2016 11:58 PM)AWright Wrote:  That is already assumed though, the first girl on one of the text when she got defensive even said, "the sex was pretty amazing but it cant happen again =)." Good sex is already assumed.

I don't think there is a "amount of fucks" rule to get her in your rotation.

You can fuck the shit out of a girl and never see her again, or you can fuck the shit out of a girl and she wants to be your GF.

A girl's hamster can spin off for a multitude of reasons, if a girl ever says it can't happen again, I don't even bother replying and next her.

I already won, I fucked her.

I had a really good fuck session with this mixed Domincan girl, she kept telling me she'd love to get out and meet again soon, then her mom apparently has cancer, she turned bitch mode for texting her "hmmm" about plans in a previous text.

Automatically nexted her.

Some girls have the "I don't want to be a slut anymore" epiphany, and you just happen to be that guy that set it off.

Other girls you fuck good realized, "this guy has SMV I want to lock him down" so they might withold sex as a shit test to see if you'll work with them.

These girls get nexted to since I'm not looking for a relationship.

Like I said it is a general rule but in my experience and the guy I mentioned earlier there is a pattern to it.

Yeah I get that, but is it proven theory and a general consensus ? No.

Everyone has their niche, he found his number.

Some dudes fuck girls good and they become a plate, but are mediocre in maintaining them.

Some dudes mindfuck (game/frame/SMV/etc) girls good, but are mediocre with sex (but still satisfies).

I think the key is to finding what works with you and rolls with it. I don't think anyone is wrong at all, it's all about how your own sex drive/gaming/dating is, and the best way it's applicable to keep women in the rotation.

There's a 19 year old I fuck on and off for over a year now, she wants no relationship either, she knows the score and her place.

Plenty of examples of banging a girl a few times and she goes cold. Plenty going the other way and becoming a plate.

(02-21-2016 07:57 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Had a great time at the wedding last night in the end - it made me question a few things and I did get a bit bummed. More on that later

I observed alot of shit test, semi weak men, couples fests, and human interaction.

-My good friend couldn't handle his angry drunk latin woman
-She even locked him out of a room in the house for a little bit.
-She was being a bitch to him, I even called her on it in a smart ass way.
-This girl demanded I hold her glass while she catched the boquet, straight put the glass on the ground and walked away.

-Another friends girls started crying because her feet were bleeding from heels.
-Dude didn't do shit and should've taken her home, or plan before for walking around.

-Sadly we took wagers on which of our 2 friend would get wasted first.
-Men need to handle their liquor better.

-I suited up with a nice pocket square and some brown shoes.
-Complemented on the custom suit and shoes all night.
-I felt confident and handsome as fuck, it's a great feeling, glad I didn't dress down.
-Had an older lady open me, using the "you look my friend line", rolled with it and then walked off.


Now onto mixed thoughts:

All night I was asked where my former LTR was, then had to tell over and over that we weren't together anymore.

Kept explaining that she wanted kids and marriage in a few years, and I totally wasn't prepared for that.

Many thought we meshed well, that she was super beautiful, that we'd end up getting married.

A few knew I was banging girls on the side, but they knew my emotions and love was solely for her. (Yes, I know this might sound fucked upped)

My friends fiance said she saw some of my ex's snapchats posting stuff saying she missed me, friend fiance reached out to her, they chatted, she said it was really hard and she missed me, don't know when this was discussed.

But just around a month after we broke up she got a man.


Now I'm not pining over her, yes I do have a slight thought or so missing the cool times. Then I look at my last few lays and can't complain about life.

Perhaps I was just in a semi weak state after dealing with a wedding and surrounded by couples. Being constantly reminded of my former LTR didn't help obviously.

Obviously we all have had days where we daydream or think about having some rad women in our lives, then we're immediately yanked back to down to the truth and realities of our situations.

Granted, we always desire ourselves to achieve whatever goals/fantasies/etc we have.....which I'm not sure what the fuck I'm doing.

Sometimes I feel like I'm just banging away at life and women, with no other purpose.

Some other times I've got a fire lit under my ass and I'm going ham.

It's that post cumming scenario, where you got your nut, never thought so damn clearly in your entire life, then it's gone just like that.


Rereading this seems I'm kind of in a funk, maybe I'm just tired.

A wedding is about as highly charged an emotional setting someone can find themselves in. Especially if the emotions deal with romance/former love interests.

I think you may have just be in an environment that made you, or any other guy coming off of a LTR, a little vulnerable. With so many emotions flowing around with other couples and many reminding you of your ex, it's no wonder that logic and a well thought out decision may be doubted.

Years after my divorce, I can still drive down a certain stretch of road along a secluded country lake near my home. It's where I used to go fishing. After my fishing trips, I'd be headed home in the evening and thinking about my wife and how she'd be at the door to great me and have dinner ready. So, now when I drive down that road, the same sad feelings come up. I'm vulnerable a bit. Away from that area, of course, I know it's a good thing we went our separate ways and my life is much better. I also hardly ever think of her.

My guess is, you were just in a funk that one day because of the whole wedding/couples deal.

You can basically hold a chick two ways

1) love
2) lust

Love is pretty straight forward.

Lust is not so straight forward.

Most young and new players really focus on two elements
- practical performance - g spots, deep spots, squirting toys, etc.
- bdsm

Bdsm gets closer to the mark, but if you want to be her side guy, her reliable fb, you have to dig into her mind and figure out what her fantasies are. It's not so much about the execution of her fantasies, but getting her to actually admit that she has some, and then actualizing.

What you're doing is recreating the bubble around the two of you.

That "us versus them" principle, when she looks for that in her life apart from you, it only leads back to you. She can love other guys, fuck other guys, but that time with you is different.

In practical terms

- pre bang - you're setting the tone
- during the bang you're engaging her mind by talking.
- POST BANG -the pillow talk

Personally, I go through a ritual after the first bang.
- massage oil,, lotion
- massage
- then really delve into her mind.

That's when you get her to reveal as much as you can.

When she's reluctant, you introduce rungs of the sexual ladder. Have you ever, would you ever,

As you're talking to her, you're also touching her.

The whole idea is that you create this world for you and her, and she feels free there.

She's not going to the cerebral aspect from Chad Thundercock.

Taking a step back, when you're trying to pull her in the first place, having a strong identity and drawing her in, giving her the rollercoaster of emotions...that helps you pull.

I added the post bang massage a long time ago, coupled with the pillow talk, getting repeat business and kinky business is much easier. Other guys do other rituals.

It's a commitment to getting in her brain though.

WIA

(02-22-2016 09:35 AM)robreke Wrote:  Years after my divorce, I can still drive down a certain stretch of road along a secluded country lake near my home. It's where I used to go fishing. After my fishing trips, I'd be headed home in the evening and thinking about my wife and how she'd be at the door to great me and have dinner ready. So, now when I drive down that road, the same sad feelings come up. I'm vulnerable a bit. Away from that area, of course, I know it's a good thing we went our separate ways and my life is much better. I also hardly ever think of her.

My guess is, you were just in a funk that one day because of the whole wedding/couples deal.

I second this. Five years post divorce and random things still bring me back to being married but there's no way in hell I would ever go back to that. In fact my ex wife is remarrying again this upcoming weekend and the only feelings I now have are how I pity the pour blue pill sap that's signing up for this...

(02-22-2016 10:22 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You can basically hold a chick two ways

1) love
2) lust

Love is pretty straight forward.

Lust is not so straight forward.

Most young and new players really focus on two elements
- practical performance - g spots, deep spots, squirting toys, etc.
- bdsm

Bdsm gets closer to the mark, but if you want to be her side guy, her reliable fb, you have to dig into her mind and figure out what her fantasies are. It's not so much about the execution of her fantasies, but getting her to actually admit that she has some, and then actualizing.

What you're doing is recreating the bubble around the two of you.

That "us versus them" principle, when she looks for that in her life apart from you, it only leads back to you. She can love other guys, fuck other guys, but that time with you is different.

In practical terms

- pre bang - you're setting the tone
- during the bang you're engaging her mind by talking.
- POST BANG -the pillow talk

Personally, I go through a ritual after the first bang.
- massage oil,, lotion
- massage
- then really delve into her mind.

That's when you get her to reveal as much as you can.

When she's reluctant, you introduce rungs of the sexual ladder. Have you ever, would you ever,

As you're talking to her, you're also touching her.

The whole idea is that you create this world for you and her, and she feels free there.

She's not going to the cerebral aspect from Chad Thundercock.

Taking a step back, when you're trying to pull her in the first place, having a strong identity and drawing her in, giving her the rollercoaster of emotions...that helps you pull.

I added the post bang massage a long time ago, coupled with the pillow talk, getting repeat business and kinky business is much easier. Other guys do other rituals.

It's a commitment to getting in her brain though.

WIA

I like the idea of a post bang ritual, especially for women you want to see again. It's definitely different than just laying on your back holding her near you and having pillow talk.

Do you do a traditional massage like back and shoulders or hit up some special areas ?

As for the 'delving into her mind' aspect. Are you asking her about her childhood, former lovers or just making observations/ some other method? Could you elaborate how you go about this.

(02-22-2016 10:23 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 09:35 AM)robreke Wrote:  Years after my divorce, I can still drive down a certain stretch of road along a secluded country lake near my home. It's where I used to go fishing. After my fishing trips, I'd be headed home in the evening and thinking about my wife and how she'd be at the door to great me and have dinner ready. So, now when I drive down that road, the same sad feelings come up. I'm vulnerable a bit. Away from that area, of course, I know it's a good thing we went our separate ways and my life is much better. I also hardly ever think of her.

My guess is, you were just in a funk that one day because of the whole wedding/couples deal.

I second this. Five years post divorce and random things still bring me back to being married but there's no way in hell I would ever go back to that. In fact my ex wife is remarrying again this upcoming weekend and the only feelings I now have are how I pity the pour blue pill sap that's signing up for this...

Yeah this morning I woke up and literally kept saying out aloud "you were in a funk" "you left for many reasons" "she's got a new dude in less than a month of claiming of missing me" I'd think of the negatives in my head.

It was definitely a highly charged emotional atmosphere, ever since I started learning game, I see my friends relationships entirely different.

I think I'm better now, just a moment of vulnerability.

It's a new week, new opportunities.

@roberke

Massage, I keep her on her back looking up at me.
Soles of the feet and then work my way down to the pleasure center.

As I'm rubbing her down, I'm debriefing her
- when did you know you wanted me
Stuff like that. Good for the next bang.

"You're so strong for holding out, I couldn't resist you"
- Don't make her feel like a slut, make her feel that it was a good decision

Then cold read Barnum statements.

"I can tell that there's a lot more passion within you"
"I can see two sides of you, a passive side and a playful side"

And then even if you're wrong, she wants to be these things. For her, for the image she has of herself, and for you, to please you, to match up to that image you have inside of your head of her.

From there, you set your rules. When she is here with you, she's free, no judgment.. Whatever your rules are.

All this while you're rubbing her down. As you get to the happy cave, you mention a minor kink, and get her to mention one.

Once she's comfortable, she'll let that gates down.

Even after the first bang a chick still has her defenses up. She's She either doing a one and done, and might feel like a slut for it. Or to stop the slut feelings, she has to switch to boyfriend/I'm a good girl.

As Patrice O'Neal said, you want to give a girl another option, another way to think.

This is how I've given that third way in the past and gotten them to not only be cool, but take that view with gusto.

Outside of the bedroom, if your pregame and post game texts were in line with this, you'd get even better results

WIA

A Girl I had a one night stand with last year texted me last week: "Hey!" It was out of the blue and unexpected

I told her last week that I'd contact her today, on Monday to set the date. Before I could text her today, she texetd me this morning asking how my weekend was, so she's the one initiating these texts now.

I've arranged a date with her tomorrow night.

she's the most beautiful ( or one of the two) most beautiful girls I've ever been with. We had an amazing date last spring, great fun and the sex was so good, it was almost scary. She concurred with this. I dropped her off at her car that night afterwards, sure there was no way I wouldn't see her again.

After that, she was hard to peg down. A few times she committed to a date, then canceled the day of. I was disappointed because, like I said, this is a quality girl ( 8.5 - 9). I suspect there may have been an ex in the mix trying to peg her down.

I kept in touch with text over the past 9 months, I'd hit her up every now and then. She would always immediately text back but say things like she's in a serious relationship. The last time I texted her in January this year, she repeated this and I just texted "good luck krystal, i wish you the best. if things don't work out, it'd be great to catch up over coffee'

So, last week, which is a bit over a month since our last text exchange, she texts out of the blue like I mentioned above. Her third or fourth text says "before I meet you, I'm not looking for anything, just two ppl having coffee catching up"

I agree with her, just playing comfort game: " Sure, that sounds good to me."

Today I was setting final details and she requests: " Can we do 6? I have a project I'm working on and want to get home kinda early."

So, she's definitely setting me up in her texts that she really just does want to be meet for coffee unless she's taking plausible deniability to another level. She did mention working on her project last week too.

My plan is just to go in, play don't fuck it up game, and see if I can suggest a venue bounce or to my place but I'm not sure how to play this. I sense she just broke up with that 'serious boyfriend' and is wanting to feel me out again and literally take things slow. Also, we'll really be drinking coffee as we're not drinking at a bar.

Usually under circumstances like this, I'd be full bore try to get her home and bang her again, especially considering our first date, but this girl is setting a different (cautious, let's just meet for coffee/ I have to be home early ) frame.

It could be really just her wanting to friend zone frank you, and vent about her ex.

I don't got time for that.

But it could be she's trying to feel things out. Hate to say it, but you were lower on the cock totem pole since she either got back with her ex, or dated another guy.

The home early/coffee thing reads to me like a friend thing.

You'll never know till you actually meet up with her.

(02-22-2016 04:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  The home early/coffee thing reads to me like a friend thing.

I agree. robreke you didn't play along with her and use comfort game, you fell into her frame.

You already set it up, might as well meet up with her and see what's what, but I wouldn't be expecting much. If you can't get it into flirty/fun vibe soon after you meet up, I'd tell her you have some things to do and you know she's gotta work on her project and bounce.

In the future, if a girl hits you with a line like that I'd reframe and tell her, "oh damn, so I should cancel the bouqets of roses carried in on horses?"

or something more to your choosing.

(02-22-2016 05:28 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 04:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  The home early/coffee thing reads to me like a friend thing.

I agree. robreke you didn't play along with her and use comfort game, you fell into her frame.

You already set it up, might as well meet up with her and see what's what, but I wouldn't be expecting much. If you can't get it into flirty/fun vibe soon after you meet up, I'd tell her you have some things to do and you know she's gotta work on her project and bounce.

In the future, if a girl hits you with a line like that I'd reframe and tell her, "oh damn, so I should cancel the bouqets of roses carried in on horses?"

or something more to your choosing.

I was going to reply and say the same thing but you beat me to it! Like AO said, she set the expectations very clearly so if it were me I wouldn't go for the venue bounce or trying to get her back to my place on this meet as she will be expecting it. Instead, play the aloof game, do very little talking, make her carry the bulk of the conversation and then on a high note cut it off citing vague plans that you need to get to. Let her hamster spin wondering if you're off to meet another woman. Then let her reach out to you on her own time frame. When she does lock her down to a real date and accept nothing less.