Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options
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WestIndianArchie 路 2016-02-15 12:07:00 路 #1501
I've gotten a graduate degree and know many others who have. Some have done well, others have done fairly. None have reached their ultimate potential. I know that I haven't.
In some fields, it's more about what you know. CS/IT are fields where you usually know more and are responsible for things that the owners don't know but depend on. For now, some of the power resides with employees, even though the lion's share of the money goes to the management class and owners.
In most fields, it's who you know, and how you play the game.
The third angle, which is very applicable to the young guys, but also for the old ones, - be so good that you are undeniable.
In practical terms, that means tackling the hardest problem in your field.
Those three options are about gaining acceptance from the society in which you live. Once you get their approval, they will give you a job. Their acceptance is conditional.
The fourth option is to think entrepreneurially.
Assume that whatever you do, no one is going to hire you, and you have to take what you have learned and make money from it YOURSELF.
School could and should prepare you for this, but by design it does not. And that has been the norm for hundreds of years.
So the guy that wants more than the pennies offered him, has to think for himself and deeply care for his own welfare.
In essence game only started being about girls, but eventually you see that the people around you just have ideas, and other people blindly follow.
WIA
In some fields, it's more about what you know. CS/IT are fields where you usually know more and are responsible for things that the owners don't know but depend on. For now, some of the power resides with employees, even though the lion's share of the money goes to the management class and owners.
In most fields, it's who you know, and how you play the game.
The third angle, which is very applicable to the young guys, but also for the old ones, - be so good that you are undeniable.
In practical terms, that means tackling the hardest problem in your field.
Those three options are about gaining acceptance from the society in which you live. Once you get their approval, they will give you a job. Their acceptance is conditional.
The fourth option is to think entrepreneurially.
Assume that whatever you do, no one is going to hire you, and you have to take what you have learned and make money from it YOURSELF.
School could and should prepare you for this, but by design it does not. And that has been the norm for hundreds of years.
So the guy that wants more than the pennies offered him, has to think for himself and deeply care for his own welfare.
In essence game only started being about girls, but eventually you see that the people around you just have ideas, and other people blindly follow.
WIA
rudebwoy 路 2016-02-15 12:16:00 路 #1502
^^ I talk to some young guys and tell them you need a degree. For the simple fact if you want to go overseas, companies will want to see a university degree. Teaching for example requires it, not all teaching jobs but you will get better pay.
Another reason is to be able to obtain work visas to work in other countries.
As a Canadian you need a degree to be eiligible to work in America, unless you have some skillset that is not in high demand.
Also as a Canadian, you need a degree to obtain a working holiday visa for countries like the UK, Australia and a few more I am sure.
As for the black issue, yes we know there is discrimination.
Most black guys on this forum are in government (military) or in I.T. I have worked in both fields and I am starting my own thing, I just found working in Corporate Canada a bit stressful for my liking and I was always under the microscope.
I am also working towards a certification.
Bottom Line: Have as many options available to you as possible. A degree may not hold the same weight as before, but it will still give you options.
I believe it is the new baseline for getting a job.
Another reason is to be able to obtain work visas to work in other countries.
As a Canadian you need a degree to be eiligible to work in America, unless you have some skillset that is not in high demand.
Also as a Canadian, you need a degree to obtain a working holiday visa for countries like the UK, Australia and a few more I am sure.
As for the black issue, yes we know there is discrimination.
Most black guys on this forum are in government (military) or in I.T. I have worked in both fields and I am starting my own thing, I just found working in Corporate Canada a bit stressful for my liking and I was always under the microscope.
I am also working towards a certification.
Bottom Line: Have as many options available to you as possible. A degree may not hold the same weight as before, but it will still give you options.
I believe it is the new baseline for getting a job.
Mentavious 路 2016-02-15 13:36:00 路 #1503
You aren't getting anywhere in the health or technology sector if you don't have at least a Masters.
Moma 路 2016-02-15 18:27:00 路 #1504
frenchcorporation 路 2016-02-16 07:45:00 路 #1505
(02-15-2016 01:36 PM)Mentavious Wrote: You aren't getting anywhere in the health or technology sector if you don't have at least a Masters.
I can't speak for the health sector, but you're dead wrong about the technology sector. Half of tech workers dont have any degree, at all.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/nyregi...-says.html
Quote:The fast-growing technology industry in New York is often cited as a magnet for graduates of the nation鈥檚 top universities. But a new report to be discussed in a speech by a deputy mayor on Wednesday found that almost half of the technology jobs in the city are filled by people without college degrees.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2908474...ience.html
Quote:A college degree in computer science is not necessarily needed to get up to speed in software development. Almost half of developers never received a degree in that discipline, according to a Stack Overflow survey that polled more than 26,000 persons in 157 countries this February.The Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2015, results of which were released this week, found that 41.8 percent of respondents described themselves as "self-taught," while 37.7 percent had a Bachelor of Science degree in computer science or a related field. Another 18.4 percent had Master's degree. On-the-job training accounted for 36.7 percent of developers' education, and 17.8 percent cited online classes.[/quote]
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Mentavious 路 2016-02-16 10:39:00 路 #1506
I suppose I was thinking of engineering (non computer) but looks like you will be able to get a entry level salary in some tech positions (sales, IT work) through just training or experience.
It's good to see people can get a livable salary without a degree nowadays.
It's good to see people can get a livable salary without a degree nowadays.
rudebwoy 路 2016-02-16 12:10:00 路 #1507
On another note, how many of you cats speak another language?
MdWanderer 路 2016-02-16 12:29:00 路 #1508
(02-16-2016 12:10 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: On another note, how many of you cats speak another language?
I used to be basic conversational in Spanish but I stopped. Currently finding a new language to learn now (I'm thinking about Chinese) which I prefer anyway for business and for girls. Regret not taking it in college; almost took the plunge though.
Mentavious 路 2016-02-16 13:36:00 路 #1509
I'm somewhere between a conversational and fluent level in Spanish.
I went from Beginner to conversational in about 7 months with podcasts, textbooks, and speaking to girls. I'm finding it difficult to improve beyond it now.
I went from Beginner to conversational in about 7 months with podcasts, textbooks, and speaking to girls. I'm finding it difficult to improve beyond it now.
frenchcorporation 路 2016-02-16 14:08:00 路 #1510
Fury 路 2016-02-16 15:08:00 路 #1511
I tested fluent in Farsi some years ago but I haven't practiced and I'm rusty. I'm currently learning German now for my BA.
As for the discussion on degrees, I think everyone here made great points. Some fields it's what you know, and others are who you know. I have read a lot of advice on this forum and one recurring theme is that those of us looking to get into business/entrepreneurship, should forego the MBA and proceed to build our business. I think that is solid advice for most, however, I will most likely still get my MBA. My situation differs from most, I'm a Black American hoping to live and work in Europe, that is why I am doing my education here. Plus, I plan on pursuing my MBA in Germany, this gives me the added bonus of improving my language for the year I am studying, and also building a network in a country that is completely new to me. I'm lucky enough to have the GI Bill so I will graduate debt free minus my mortgage. All these factors helped me make the decision to forego previous advice to skip an MBA.
Back to languages, I'm considering picking up Farsi again now that Iran is slowly being re-integrated into the Global Market. It may prove beneficial.
As for the discussion on degrees, I think everyone here made great points. Some fields it's what you know, and others are who you know. I have read a lot of advice on this forum and one recurring theme is that those of us looking to get into business/entrepreneurship, should forego the MBA and proceed to build our business. I think that is solid advice for most, however, I will most likely still get my MBA. My situation differs from most, I'm a Black American hoping to live and work in Europe, that is why I am doing my education here. Plus, I plan on pursuing my MBA in Germany, this gives me the added bonus of improving my language for the year I am studying, and also building a network in a country that is completely new to me. I'm lucky enough to have the GI Bill so I will graduate debt free minus my mortgage. All these factors helped me make the decision to forego previous advice to skip an MBA.
Back to languages, I'm considering picking up Farsi again now that Iran is slowly being re-integrated into the Global Market. It may prove beneficial.
Moma 路 2016-02-16 15:19:00 路 #1512
FrenchCorp, do you use duolingo exclusively for your Portuguese?
frenchcorporation 路 2016-02-16 15:24:00 路 #1513
gmoneysauce 路 2016-02-16 15:28:00 路 #1514
(02-16-2016 03:08 PM)Fury Wrote: I tested fluent in Farsi some years ago but I haven't practiced and I'm rusty. I'm currently learning German now for my BA.
As for the discussion on degrees, I think everyone here made great points. Some fields it's what you know, and others are who you know. I have read a lot of advice on this forum and one recurring theme is that those of us looking to get into business/entrepreneurship, should forego the MBA and proceed to build our business. I think that is solid advice for most, however, I will most likely still get my MBA. My situation differs from most, I'm a Black American hoping to live and work in Europe, that is why I am doing my education here. Plus, I plan on pursuing my MBA in Germany, this gives me the added bonus of improving my language for the year I am studying, and also building a network in a country that is completely new to me. I'm lucky enough to have the GI Bill so I will graduate debt free minus my mortgage. All these factors helped me make the decision to forego previous advice to skip an MBA.
Back to languages, I'm considering picking up Farsi again now that Iran is slowly being re-integrated into the Global Market. It may prove beneficial.
Fury, I have been thinking the same way and planned to start learning Farsi as I hosted a Persian dentist in my home last year and we had some great conversations (he is a young dentist, 24 or 25, looking at specialist programs in the usa). I realize that there is a group of non-religious professional Iranians that want to normalize relations with the western world. I think there is a great opportunity here.
Do you have any recommendations for one month intensive schools in Iran? (I think that there is another thread in the forum for this so I can check)
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-02-16 15:46:00 路 #1515
Foreigners that want normal relations with the West are the norm, not the exception.
The soft power of our movies, music, and culture makes everyone want what the typical American takes for granted. (To a lesser extent Westerner has)
We live such privileged lives.
WIA
The soft power of our movies, music, and culture makes everyone want what the typical American takes for granted. (To a lesser extent Westerner has)
We live such privileged lives.
WIA
Advent Persona 路 2016-02-17 00:13:00 路 #1516
I got lots of catching up to do on the round-table discussions, but some things were mentioned that definitely needs expounding on as far as the potential for game and travel opportunities go. Especially important for black youths looking to transition into the international lifestyle. Doubly important for black youths with a passport that's no where as strong as the American Passport.
A high level tertiary degree in a niche field is one of the few really good ways to travel the world while maintaining a lifestyle that is vastly superior to most locals and many location-independent nomads. This is a highly unexplored avenue and should be one of the first to consider. Every country has a list of highly valuable skillsets for which they are almost obligated to hand the applicant a working visa if one is the recipient of one or more of these skills. What you need is to be engaged in a field that requires you to have a diversified set of difficult-to-acquire skills. Even better if this degree is niche. Additionally, if the degree is high level, not only are you the prime pick in local markets, it also makes you highly valuable to academia, no matter where you are in the world. The single most important feature of a Masters or higher level paper is that it makes you eligible to teach in many accredited universities around the world if you're willing to put a little bit of effort into overcoming language barriers. To give an example of a niche field with a diversified set of skills: Visual Effects include the the subset diciplines: High Level Mathematics, Computer Language Programming (Multiple languages, C++, Python, C##), RealTime GPU Programming knowledge, Rendering tech (realtime and otherwise) etc. Here, the core skills of your 'specialty' is somewhat diversified and with broad strokes you are checking off multiple boxes on the 'needed skills for working visa' checklist - Film/Television Professionals, Medical (medical visualization tech.), Programmers etc. Always diversify.
Also In this day and age, you gain no advantage in acquiring degrees for STEM fields in western countries and racking up unnecessary debt while having less-than-desirable social life/women. The skills/degree you acquire is much more important than where you acquire it.
Very important, always be the one willing to tackle the most difficult problems in your field as not only will that open up new lucrative opportunities but it makes others dependent on you, which is the position you want to be in when you decide to leave or make demands on your terms.
As WIA mentioned above, it's who you know - which is probably why your LinkedIN profile will be much more valuable to your game than your Tinder/OKCupid/Date-in-Asia/whatever new pipelining fad is in now.
(02-15-2016 10:50 AM)BasketBounce Wrote: Just read this article:
Summary: Graduate school is not for everyone, but it ain't right to dissuade all black people from going to college because that advice is contingent upon having a certain amount of privilege that most black men don't have.
A high level tertiary degree in a niche field is one of the few really good ways to travel the world while maintaining a lifestyle that is vastly superior to most locals and many location-independent nomads. This is a highly unexplored avenue and should be one of the first to consider. Every country has a list of highly valuable skillsets for which they are almost obligated to hand the applicant a working visa if one is the recipient of one or more of these skills. What you need is to be engaged in a field that requires you to have a diversified set of difficult-to-acquire skills. Even better if this degree is niche. Additionally, if the degree is high level, not only are you the prime pick in local markets, it also makes you highly valuable to academia, no matter where you are in the world. The single most important feature of a Masters or higher level paper is that it makes you eligible to teach in many accredited universities around the world if you're willing to put a little bit of effort into overcoming language barriers. To give an example of a niche field with a diversified set of skills: Visual Effects include the the subset diciplines: High Level Mathematics, Computer Language Programming (Multiple languages, C++, Python, C##), RealTime GPU Programming knowledge, Rendering tech (realtime and otherwise) etc. Here, the core skills of your 'specialty' is somewhat diversified and with broad strokes you are checking off multiple boxes on the 'needed skills for working visa' checklist - Film/Television Professionals, Medical (medical visualization tech.), Programmers etc. Always diversify.
Also In this day and age, you gain no advantage in acquiring degrees for STEM fields in western countries and racking up unnecessary debt while having less-than-desirable social life/women. The skills/degree you acquire is much more important than where you acquire it.
(02-15-2016 12:07 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: In most fields, it's who you know, and how you play the game.
The third angle, which is very applicable to the young guys, but also for the old ones, - be so good that you are undeniable.
In practical terms, that means tackling the hardest problem in your field.
WIA
Very important, always be the one willing to tackle the most difficult problems in your field as not only will that open up new lucrative opportunities but it makes others dependent on you, which is the position you want to be in when you decide to leave or make demands on your terms.
As WIA mentioned above, it's who you know - which is probably why your LinkedIN profile will be much more valuable to your game than your Tinder/OKCupid/Date-in-Asia/whatever new pipelining fad is in now.
Fury 路 2016-02-17 02:44:00 路 #1517
(02-16-2016 03:28 PM)gmoneysauce Wrote:(02-16-2016 03:08 PM)Fury Wrote: I tested fluent in Farsi some years ago but I haven't practiced and I'm rusty. I'm currently learning German now for my BA.
As for the discussion on degrees, I think everyone here made great points. Some fields it's what you know, and others are who you know. I have read a lot of advice on this forum and one recurring theme is that those of us looking to get into business/entrepreneurship, should forego the MBA and proceed to build our business. I think that is solid advice for most, however, I will most likely still get my MBA. My situation differs from most, I'm a Black American hoping to live and work in Europe, that is why I am doing my education here. Plus, I plan on pursuing my MBA in Germany, this gives me the added bonus of improving my language for the year I am studying, and also building a network in a country that is completely new to me. I'm lucky enough to have the GI Bill so I will graduate debt free minus my mortgage. All these factors helped me make the decision to forego previous advice to skip an MBA.
Back to languages, I'm considering picking up Farsi again now that Iran is slowly being re-integrated into the Global Market. It may prove beneficial.
Fury, I have been thinking the same way and planned to start learning Farsi as I hosted a Persian dentist in my home last year and we had some great conversations (he is a young dentist, 24 or 25, looking at specialist programs in the usa). I realize that there is a group of non-religious professional Iranians that want to normalize relations with the western world. I think there is a great opportunity here.
Do you have any recommendations for one month intensive schools in Iran? (I think that there is another thread in the forum for this so I can check)
Gmoney,
The Dehkhoda Lexicon Institute at University of Tehran offers 1-2 month intensive course during the summer. You would have to apply for a visa through them and pay a small fee to study there. I've read accounts of people that have studied there and they enjoyed it.
rudebwoy 路 2016-02-17 10:23:00 路 #1518
^ That would be a incredible experience.
One forum member went to a FSU university to improve his Russian.
I am debating doing something similar in France this summer, if the stars are aligned that is.
One forum member went to a FSU university to improve his Russian.
I am debating doing something similar in France this summer, if the stars are aligned that is.
MdWanderer 路 2016-02-17 11:26:00 路 #1519
(02-16-2016 01:36 PM)Mentavious Wrote: I'm finding it difficult to improve beyond it now.
You will, it will just happen unexpectedly. My uncle went through the same thing once he gained fluency in Japanese. He went through a rough patch where he hit a plateau, then suddenly made a breakthrough after three years of learning.
Apollo21 路 2016-02-17 11:38:00 路 #1520
I'm studying Russian right now. Today it's so much easier(and enjoyable)
than high school language classes...especially when you have pretty girls
teaching you:-)
than high school language classes...especially when you have pretty girls
teaching you:-)
Moma 路 2016-02-17 19:11:00 路 #1521
Here is the first part of the TravelerKai podcast! Enjoy!!
Moma 路 2016-02-17 23:24:00 路 #1522
(02-16-2016 03:24 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:(02-16-2016 03:19 PM)Moma Wrote: FrenchCorp, do you use duolingo exclusively for your Portuguese?
I'm also reading a harry potter book in portuguese and translating bits i dont get, but that's my only other resource
How long have you been doing it and where do you currently stand (higher basic, intermediate, higher intermediate)? I know you enjoy reading stuff rather than listen to others dictate it.
frenchcorporation 路 2016-02-18 08:51:00 路 #1523
(02-17-2016 11:24 PM)Moma Wrote:(02-16-2016 03:24 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:(02-16-2016 03:19 PM)Moma Wrote: FrenchCorp, do you use duolingo exclusively for your Portuguese?
I'm also reading a harry potter book in portuguese and translating bits i dont get, but that's my only other resource
How long have you been doing it and where do you currently stand (higher basic, intermediate, higher intermediate)? I know you enjoy reading stuff rather than listen to others dictate it.
I started learning Portuguese seriously six months past, I know enough for simple conversation, but sometimes i need to read a dictionary while talking
^^ I can say what ive written in portuguese, including this sentence. So i think intermediate, but , I can be a little slow sometimes to construct the sentences, a couple seconds delay i reckon
duolingo uses reading and listening, but its very good
Comte De St. Germain 路 2016-02-18 14:13:00 路 #1524
Listened to the first WIA podcast again.
I can definitely relate to the colorful outfit business. I don't have much money to burn, but because I don't have money I'm forced to at times get new clothes at places like Marshall's and Ross when there isn't a sale.
What you see at a lot of these places in terms of collared shirts, pants, ties, and vests tend to be more colorful clothing. That kind of shit is straight fire too. Not just night game, but day game that shit is on point.
No one dresses like that in public and in the places that I hang around don't wear clothes like that, and it always get questions especially with a good necklace(or chain) and watch.
And if you smoke pulling these out of a suit jacket pocket always without exception gets questions because it's different and portrays a lifestyle.
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I can definitely relate to the colorful outfit business. I don't have much money to burn, but because I don't have money I'm forced to at times get new clothes at places like Marshall's and Ross when there isn't a sale.
What you see at a lot of these places in terms of collared shirts, pants, ties, and vests tend to be more colorful clothing. That kind of shit is straight fire too. Not just night game, but day game that shit is on point.
No one dresses like that in public and in the places that I hang around don't wear clothes like that, and it always get questions especially with a good necklace(or chain) and watch.
And if you smoke pulling these out of a suit jacket pocket always without exception gets questions because it's different and portrays a lifestyle.
rudebwoy 路 2016-02-18 14:49:00 路 #1525
^ We recorded another show with WIA, will release in due time.
Most guys wear the same stuff because they shop at the same places. Alot of guys run away from colour, but they need to have some in their wardrobe.
I use to wear school uniforms when I went to school as a kid, so I am "allergic" to blue clothing.
When I get time, I will post some outfits on here.
Most guys wear the same stuff because they shop at the same places. Alot of guys run away from colour, but they need to have some in their wardrobe.
I use to wear school uniforms when I went to school as a kid, so I am "allergic" to blue clothing.
When I get time, I will post some outfits on here.