(01-02-2016 02:13 PM)JohnnyAppleSeeds Wrote:  She thinks I'm leaving Rio Monday, made plans to see her tonight and she's currently asking what time...

Inception level flaking right here.



Though I'm sure a similar pipelining situation has been posted here on RVF.

Here's my 2¢.

Obviously you are going to have to flake, I would just do it in the most vague way possible to leave a bit of curiosity in her. Don't be too apologetic about it.

Make sure right after your "flight leaves" that you build on that curiosity and turn it into full blown attraction. If she seems like that type-sexualize things if you can.

You have to time all of this out well, you can't successfully message her everyday for 6 months without having ever met her, she will definitely lose interest and you will probably too as other chicks enter your life.

When is the wedding?

(01-02-2016 08:41 PM)Designate Wrote:  

(01-02-2016 02:13 PM)JohnnyAppleSeeds Wrote:  She thinks I'm leaving Rio Monday, made plans to see her tonight and she's currently asking what time...

Inception level flaking right here.



.....
Make sure right after your "flight leaves" that you build on that curiosity and turn it into full blown attraction. If she seems like that type-sexualize things if you can.

Yeah man I knew suggesting we get together was a dick move but no way to know for sure if my game was working unless I went for it.

I got caught up in the moment and couldn't help myself thinking about how she would show up in a sundress, no bra, nice thighs with a fatty swishing back and forth as we walked along the beach... If that's not enough she would be chipper and happy to see me... outgoing, pleasant and flirty... content with just an acai and my cock... Man I miss Brazil.

.....

Back to the texting. My sleep schedule is all crazy right now and I fucking fell asleep without responding to her. At 10:30pm Rio time I told her my friend had a problem and then said my flight is now leaving today.

She was off Whatsapp all night but messaged me early this morning wishing me a safe trip.

I had already sexualized the convo so while it's probably nuked I'll suggest she hit me up if she comes to my area and I'll do the same if I go to Rio.

(12-20-2015 06:11 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 09:40 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 02:39 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 02:02 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  With a busier than usual weekend, I asked a girl out for a date Sunday. (Friday_busy, Saturday_gym_work, Sunday_free).

w:"come join me out @xx Sunday, we'll have drinks and ill seduce u in front of strangers"
her: I work till 4.

She didn't say no but I'm trying to figure out how to make something happen given the time. (She

Note: This is a girl who mentioned she likes guys who lead(makes the plans etc)/are dominant/etc. I probably wouldn't have a problem if I had my own place (as I'd suggest that), but now I'm not sure where to steer.

Ignore. Her answer isn't very positive. It's not explicitly sour, but a non-response is best. See if she follows it up. Also you didn't specify what time you called out so it's hard to tell if she was responding that she couldn't make it because she works beyond the time you want to meet up, or if she was just saying she didn't want to because she works.

That was her way of being open/free after 4. I didn't respond for a day and when I went to set the time she had new plans.

I will say that I'm a little disappointed that my advice ended up wrong. I definitely missed that you were leaving the time frame open, kind of a bonehead misread on my part especially given the context you gave so I apologize for that. Wish I'd got that clearer. Hopefully you can recover leading and salvaging your frame. Let us know if you manage to save it and thanks for the feedback as I'll definitely pay more attention in the future.

Hit her up Sunday with this. I'm w she's s...

w: "xx_nickname, stop being shy hermit and lets set a date"
s: "whaaaaa a hangout?"
w: "lol yes a hangout"
s: "I think I'm free Friday"
w: (assuming sale) "lets do Friday 6/7ish @venue"

She asks for the location and I give her a relative idea of where it is.
:it's near zyxx_shopping center. It's a pretty chill area.

-cold again-

Plan is to hold off any texting until Wednesday to see if she's cool with the location.

Note: Online chick | flaky tendencies

Girls that have been down throw out a couple of days or met me the same day we spoke (my dates from last year, )

Just got hit with this crap again. Damn this shit gets old with these flaky girls. Cliff's notes:

Opened girl online. Playful banter ensues, she asks me lots of questions, flirty.. all the good signs you want to see. I didn't even ask her for her number, she volunteered it.

We text back and forth a bit.. keeping the playful, flirty vibe going. Then I go for the meet, striking while the iron is hot. Then it hits, fucking again:

"I might be free this weekend. I'll let you know "

Goddammit. My nuts always cringe in my sack when I get this reply. As is common knowledge around here "I'll let you know" always means "I'll never let you know"

Normally I go radio silent at this point, at least until a day or two before the proposed meet. Sometimes this works and she re-initiates before I do, sometimes it doesn't. Then it's almost like going back to square one to rebuild the flirty momentum that fizzled out during the radio silence..

Thoughts? (and yeah, "next" is the first thing that crosses everyone's mind. Other irons are always in the fire but this crap happens so much it's not practical to next all of them)

Going radio silent in these situations never really benefits you. There will always be that 'what if' question hovering when you don't respond. I'd probably respond with "cool" or "good plan."

You can always send a restart text on Thursday or Friday with what your plans are and if she would like to join. When it comes to scheduling dates, 99% of the time, the ball will be in her court. The only thing you can do is be ready to catch her pass and score.

(01-05-2016 02:27 PM)SomeFcksGiven Wrote:  We text back and forth a bit.. keeping the playful, flirty vibe going. Then I go for the meet, striking while the iron is hot. Then it hits, fucking again:

"I might be free this weekend. I'll let you know "

Thoughts? (and yeah, "next" is the first thing that crosses everyone's mind. Other irons are always in the fire but this crap happens so much it's not practical to next all of them)

That's a very tricky situation. I believe some times females aren't aware what this text means but its undertones are 'I'm the boss here'. If she pings you and you agree, then you are telling her, in the essence: 'oh, my life is so boring and I've got nothing going on (and, by extension, no other girls find me worthy) so am patiently waiting for you to contact me because I don't have friends or anyone else to hang out with.'

It will backfire (it did in my case, lessons learnt). The only proud way out is, if she pings you to text back something along this line: 'hey, good to hear from you but I'm going to X this weekend. I'm free this Wednesday, though', even though it would mean you'd be sitting, in reality, at home watching tv series. A man fully in a woman's frame is not a man anymore.

My thoughts exactly. I'm not going to relinquish the frame and let them be in control, that never ends well. I'll ping her a couple of times before the weekend and offer a set date and time. She'll either accept or she won't. That's why it's always a good idea to double book these days

I'll let you know is a classic flake line from the age of the Romans.

If she's hot enough not to be a prude I'd go with something more aggressive along the lines of "Cool I'll give you 60 seconds to decide ", or something about her possibly being too shy to go out with you and that's normal and many girls are like that but it's OK she'll be able to talk to you like one of her ugly girlfriends after a drink.

You have to nuke their bullshit and set your own frame.

Met this girl off Bumble about 4 weeks ago, went on 2 dates, banged her both times. She very obviously enjoyed the sex and even said "Wow, did you go to school for that?". So I don't think she believes I'm bad in the sack. I asked her out yesterday and did not get quite the response I was hoping for...

Me: whatsup <name>. fun new years?
You: Hey! Yea really fun! How about yours?
Me: pretty great. ive got about 6 hours of sleep total in 2016 so work today was...rough. anyway you want to hang out sometime this week?
Her: Haha yikes. Yea the re-entry today was tough. Can't this week, I'm swamped :/

Does anyone continue here? If so, how? Sometimes I feel I give up too easily. I think this girl is cute and would like to bang her again, but this response isn't too welcoming.

If I did lose her, I wonder if it's because we had virtually no contact for almost 2 weeks over the holidays. I almost never text chicks when it's not for setting up dates, and I think that hurts me.

^What's your goal with the chick above? I assume she's still on the app seeing other guys.

Also if its a girl you're trying to long-game, maybe sprinkle a few text over those two weeks. Just something to keep you in mind.

I'm just looking for a girl I can casually chill with once every week or two and hook up with. Nothing serious.

I believe kaotic wrote something about pinging texts. I think his suggestion was to send a picture every now and then with something relatable. I actually did do this once over the 2 weeks and got a response, but I didn't continue the conversation

(01-06-2016 10:29 AM)redonion Wrote:  I'm just looking for a girl I can casually chill with once every week or two and hook up with. Nothing serious.

I believe kaotic wrote something about pinging texts. I think his suggestion was to send a picture every now and then with something relatable. I actually did do this once over the 2 weeks and got a response, but I didn't continue the conversation

I think your long text really killed it. Especially you asking her if she wanted to hangout sometime this week. You left it really open and there's some thirst there. If you don't have picture or otherwise flirty conversations with a girl she'll begin to forget about you and fantasize or concentrate on the next guy or thing that grabs her attention.

One thing I highly recommend is once you've banged a girl a few times to use some Emoji game.

For example, telling a story with Emojis. Instead of sending "I dissappeared during the holidays I've been too busy, do you want to get together sometime this week?" you could send "holidays *ninja emoji* up on me. *martini emoji / beer emoji* Thursday?"

I don't think this girl is a lost cause, but I'd tease her and flirt with her more, you're not really doing that.

A possible next response:
"sounds like you need a drink"
"but class is about to be in session"
"*cucumber emoji + drops of water emoji + girl with her hands up emoji*"
"gay"
"hm"
"oh"

Depends on what your personality is like and the rest of your interactions from your experience. I'd try to salvage it but you definitely made a few mistakes that are simply avoided in the future. Either way you got the 2 bangs, not a bad turnout overall.

Thanks for the tips AO! It's been almost 48 hours since she said that, so I think your responses might sound a little weird if I sent them now (except maybe the first one). I'll try to think of something.

Definitely need to get better at sexualizing and maybe emoji game too. I was getting pretty good at this awhile back but my text game has regressed big time.

First time poster, just joined and have been reading like crazy the last couple of weeks. This is absolute gold and I wish I had found it much earlier.

I met this girl on SA (no talk of arrangement at any point in our date) and took her out for a first date drink last night and we bounced to my place afterwards. Once there we were making out and I got heavy LMR so I tried the 1 step back 2 steps forward but she kept saying stop it, as she kissed me back and I kept saying OK and proceeding.

The thing is she wouldn't let me take off her tights or get my hand into them. She was wet and soaking through the tights but no matter what I tried hand on neck, whispering dominant things in her ear, holding her up against my wall of windows facing the city she kept her LMR. She was turned on and kissing back like crazy, biting my lip, hand on crotch etc. At one point she even kicked over her glass of wine and spilled it all over the table, I just told her I would have to punish her for that and gave her some swats on the ass which she loved but still no go on hands into the tights, I did stretch them out a bit trying to get into them haha. How do you break through this?

Anyways she wasn't having it so I walked her out and down to the train station where we made out some more. This morning she texts me "You owe me new tights, I owe you a box of Kleenex"

How should I respond to get her to come back over and when should I try to get her to come back. I am going out of town for business tomorrow night and won't be back until mid next week.

Vinnie chase I gotta steal that line.

Would anyone suggest something along the lines of "im going out friday at x and saturday at y. Join me...etc etc" or "ill be starting at x venue at 9 for drinks......"
This let's them know that you won't be sitting around "waiting" for them.
But I don't know if this type of response actually works in the field. Ive tried it twice and it worked once and the second time we rescheduled on my terms.

Any thoughts...

I've already started telling dates to wear dresses on dates. Learned that from here.
I hate fighting through pants.

(01-07-2016 06:27 AM)Takalah Wrote:  First time poster, just joined and have been reading like crazy the last couple of weeks. This is absolute gold and I wish I had found it much earlier.

I met this girl on SA (no talk of arrangement at any point in our date) and took her out for a first date drink last night and we bounced to my place afterwards. Once there we were making out and I got heavy LMR so I tried the 1 step back 2 steps forward but she kept saying stop it, as she kissed me back and I kept saying OK and proceeding.

The thing is she wouldn't let me take off her tights or get my hand into them. She was wet and soaking through the tights but no matter what I tried hand on neck, whispering dominant things in her ear, holding her up against my wall of windows facing the city she kept her LMR. She was turned on and kissing back like crazy, biting my lip, hand on crotch etc. At one point she even kicked over her glass of wine and spilled it all over the table, I just told her I would have to punish her for that and gave her some swats on the ass which she loved but still no go on hands into the tights, I did stretch them out a bit trying to get into them haha. How do you break through this?

Anyways she wasn't having it so I walked her out and down to the train station where we made out some more. This morning she texts me "You owe me new tights, I owe you a box of Kleenex"

How should I respond to get her to come back over and when should I try to get her to come back. I am going out of town for business tomorrow night and won't be back until mid next week.

For the LMR, why didn't you take her to your bedroom and throw her on the bed? That would have been my first course of action.

In response to the text message, you could mention something about the wine she spilled. "you owe me a glass of wine that my table thoroughly enjoyed. bring over a bottle and we can negotiate"

(01-07-2016 06:27 AM)Takalah Wrote:  First time poster, just joined and have been reading like crazy the last couple of weeks. This is absolute gold and I wish I had found it much earlier.

I met this girl on SA (no talk of arrangement at any point in our date) and took her out for a first date drink last night and we bounced to my place afterwards. Once there we were making out and I got heavy LMR so I tried the 1 step back 2 steps forward but she kept saying stop it, as she kissed me back and I kept saying OK and proceeding.

The thing is she wouldn't let me take off her tights or get my hand into them. She was wet and soaking through the tights but no matter what I tried hand on neck, whispering dominant things in her ear, holding her up against my wall of windows facing the city she kept her LMR. She was turned on and kissing back like crazy, biting my lip, hand on crotch etc. At one point she even kicked over her glass of wine and spilled it all over the table, I just told her I would have to punish her for that and gave her some swats on the ass which she loved but still no go on hands into the tights, I did stretch them out a bit trying to get into them haha. How do you break through this?

Anyways she wasn't having it so I walked her out and down to the train station where we made out some more. This morning she texts me "You owe me new tights, I owe you a box of Kleenex"

How should I respond to get her to come back over and when should I try to get her to come back. I am going out of town for business tomorrow night and won't be back until mid next week.

(12-14-2015 01:14 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  An alternative way of overcoming LMR I've used successfully is what I call "high school virgin game". I wrote about it in another thread.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49481...pid1090766

Basically it's something I discovered by accident way back in high school. There were times when I was making out with a chick that wouldn't let me take her pants or even panties off. With a raging stiffy hard enough to scratch glass once I realized I wasn't getting the pussy I just change tactics and put her hand on my shank. At that point I just wanted to jizz somewhere other than in my own hand I didn't care if it was her hand, mouth, box, ass, tits, whatever.

She might not let you pull her pants/panties off but she can't stop you from pulling yours off. Almost every single time I'd at least get a hand job out of the deal.

More often that not once she's comfortable touching your meat puppet first, it will get her turned on and a bj and even the pussy follows.

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Cold approached a chick who worked at a retail clothing store in my city. Got number. The most recent text as at the recommendation of my player cousin. Haven't heard back. Any thoughts?

I didn't think putting she was cute in the text was a good idea but he insisted that I experiment. I take his advice seriously as he fucks more girls than any guy I know and has at least 6 plates at any given time.

He also advised against on the "let's meet Saturday" as the possible response is "I've got plans." If she doesn't come back with an alternative and then you say "how about..." then it looks desperate.

Personally, I have found informing them of thing you are going to be doing and then inviting them has a much more relaxed feel to it as well as does not really make you look desperate at all.

I have had a lot of success bringing girls to what I was already going to be doing. Whether it is alone or with friends. I like to hang out in shisha bars, tell em I am going and tell em to join if they are free. If not, I can always ping later with the typical invite. Usually they'll express an interest if they are interested and I can set up a date from that. Same goes for parties, bbqs, various events or anything. So what is something you were already doing that you could toss out an invite for? Bouldering gym? Bowling? Sumo wrestling?


Or can stick with netflix n chill.

Biggs,

I wouldn't of said "cute" or "like to see you" or "let me know" - you're leaving the ball in her court with that last one - that's the last thing you want to do.

I also would've left it at her response of nice to meet you for at least Sunday.

I never try and meet up with girls saturday unless it's a plate, your cousin is absolutely right.

this is how I would've broke it down:

You: Hey it's that handsome X(something descriptive of you) devil named Biggs, save this number"

Her: Hey Biggs nice meeting you today ! (she probably would of added a lol or haha")

-wait till sunday-

You: This part you can get some background info on her, basically build comfort, ask her some basic BS questions (if you haven't already).

I personally like sending pics of shit I'm doing, ex: I was sick, so I sent a bunch of girls a photo of Pho & Hot Tea - almost all of them would follow up at a later convo asking how I was feeling.

Once you got a bit of rapport going on - pull the trigger.

You: (after a response from her): What's your evening schedule look like this week ? (intel)

OR

You: (after a response from her): Hey we should meet up at X venue at Y time on Z day, you in ? (direct)

She agrees, then do some confirmation follow up text or 2.

She counters with another day (hopefully soon), if it works for you, confirm for that day, then do confirmation follow up text or 2.

No response you have 2 options:

Next her

or

Follow up with a "?" or I've used this "Don't tell me X store worked you to death" - that can restart the convo about when she's free. IN YOUR CASE YOU'RE AT THIS POINT.


There are alot of possiblities, but sometimes the easiest path can be the most direct and simplest.

(01-07-2016 10:41 AM)Remington Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 06:27 AM)Takalah Wrote:  First time poster, just joined and have been reading like crazy the last couple of weeks. This is absolute gold and I wish I had found it much earlier.

I met this girl on SA (no talk of arrangement at any point in our date) and took her out for a first date drink last night and we bounced to my place afterwards. Once there we were making out and I got heavy LMR so I tried the 1 step back 2 steps forward but she kept saying stop it, as she kissed me back and I kept saying OK and proceeding.

The thing is she wouldn't let me take off her tights or get my hand into them. She was wet and soaking through the tights but no matter what I tried hand on neck, whispering dominant things in her ear, holding her up against my wall of windows facing the city she kept her LMR. She was turned on and kissing back like crazy, biting my lip, hand on crotch etc. At one point she even kicked over her glass of wine and spilled it all over the table, I just told her I would have to punish her for that and gave her some swats on the ass which she loved but still no go on hands into the tights, I did stretch them out a bit trying to get into them haha. How do you break through this?

Anyways she wasn't having it so I walked her out and down to the train station where we made out some more. This morning she texts me "You owe me new tights, I owe you a box of Kleenex"

How should I respond to get her to come back over and when should I try to get her to come back. I am going out of town for business tomorrow night and won't be back until mid next week.

For the LMR, why didn't you take her to your bedroom and throw her on the bed? That would have been my first course of action.

In response to the text message, you could mention something about the wine she spilled. "you owe me a glass of wine that my table thoroughly enjoyed. bring over a bottle and we can negotiate"

I had tried that the first night. Ended up making fun of her for admitting she spilled the wine since she denied it the night before. Got her over last night and got the bang with the suggestion below yours of just taking off my pants and getting her hand on my wang. This stuff is gold and I would have never gotten anywhere without having been on this site.

She ended up telling me I was an asshole as I made her beg me to fuck her.

oh shit.
chick i met once, never kissed, didn't bang.
i told her i was going away on a business trip for two weeks.

just got a text "do you miss me?"

its been about 6 hours, im prepared to respond "no" but anything else i'll take...

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk

immediately set up date w/ her would be my move, on a weekday a little into the future.

"Tuesday night should be good. [Insert bar name here], 7pm" or whatever. done. Just my 0.02.

(01-09-2016 11:43 PM)toejam Wrote:  oh shit.
chick i met once, never kissed, didn't bang.
i told her i was going away on a business trip for two weeks.

just got a text "do you miss me?"

its been about 6 hours, im prepared to respond "no" but anything else i'll take...

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk

Straight up just text her this "Whos this?"

I will drive her crazy as if you already moved on which you should have. You already met her once, didn't kiss, no bang, which sounds like it's not going anywhere. Why waste your time?

When she responds tell her to send a pic to refresh your memory.

Then proceed how you want based on whether she sends you a sexy pic or boring pic. That is how you know where you stand with her and if she is just trying to be an attention whore and make you her orbiter.