(12-23-2015 06:40 PM)kaotic Wrote:  It's funny, when we post in the forum about a specific girl, we may sometimes claim she isn't like the rest, yet we'll get the same answer from the same men.

We claim these women aren't a big deal, yet here we are writing about them online to a renowned forum of unknown gentlemen.

Even if we deep down know what needs to be done, from nexting to texting, it's never a bad thing asking for an outside opinion. Men shouldn't be afraid of doing so around other men who seek the same answers and guidance.

It'll help you cut through the bullshit - your own bias.

^ we are accessing the "collective intelligence" when we do this.

We sometimes, as individuals, think we know and frequently do know, the right thing to do in a particular situation with a given girl.

The collective intelligence of the men on the forum always knows the right thing.

(12-20-2015 08:15 AM)realologist Wrote:  Does anybody else reward girls in the morning with a better breakfast based on how the sex was?

No blow job, dead fish, loose/stinky pussy.:
Lucky to get a glass of water.

Sex that's OK but I still don't nut:
A bowl of cereal

Good solid sex:
Pancakes

Mind blowing fucking all night multiple orgasm sex, where she is fucking and sucking like a champ:
Eggs, bacon, biscuits, with freshly chopped fruit gently placed on top of Greek yogurt

I reward good behavior and punish bad behavior. I am a better cook than most of the girls I've dated, so I'd rather be the one cooking. I'm cooking for myself and she gets to eat a great meal as a benefit and a reward. I also like to have a LTR or multiple mini LTR so having the comfort side of things helps towards this goal.

I have nothing against a woman cooking for me if it's good and definitely encourage it, but when I want to make breakfast, I get in that mode. Usually the girl helps in one or more ways.

(12-23-2015 06:40 PM)kaotic Wrote:  It's funny, when we post in the forum about a specific girl, we may sometimes claim she isn't like the rest, yet we'll get the same answer from the same men.

We claim these women aren't a big deal, yet here we are writing about them online to a renowned forum of unknown gentlemen.

Even if we deep down know what needs to be done, from nexting to texting, it's never a bad thing asking for an outside opinion. Men shouldn't be afraid of doing so around other men who seek the same answers and guidance.

It'll help you cut through the bullshit - your own bias.

Repped you for taking the hard road to self-realization.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all you RVF brothers !

Here's to a 2016 drown in pussies, joy, song and wine!

Go out, fuck shit up, enjoy life and remember the moment men of RVF

Happy Holidays/xmas/christmas/insert_holiday to you guys. Enjoy your day!

AO how do you punish bad behavior?

My main girl told me recently that she and her friend were going to buy a year's membership in a yoga studio.

A teacher at the studio is a fuck buddy of mine; we bang maybe once a month. The first time I banged her was actually in the studio on the floor.

I told my main girl that I had heard really bad things about the place and I think I scared her off.

The towns in my area are fairly small and I've had similar near misses before. Once I was on a date with a girl and she was on the toilet when two other girls came in and started talking to each other about me and how they hated me because I had dumped their friend. I regularly get texts from girls I've banged or tried to saying they saw me "out" somewhere, meaning with another girl. Of course, a lot of times this works in my favor due to the power of preselection but I still try to be cautious.

(12-25-2015 08:57 PM)toejam Wrote:  AO how do you punish bad behavior?

The best way to punish a woman is to withdraw your attention from her.

You can do this in subtle ways even while she is in your presence, or more obvious ways such as not communicating with her for a time.

Men don't understand the degree to which attention is the lifeblood of a woman's spirit.

I'm a huge fan of the reward/ignoring system. It works pretty damn well for me. Mind-blowing sex is always rewarded with a great meal.

Been living in Asia for the last year, and I find my willingness to approach going out the window. Im not attracted to Asian girls at all. Decided to spend NYE in Prague, hopefully this will get me back on the right track

(12-26-2015 04:31 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  I'm a huge fan of the reward/ignoring system. It works pretty damn well for me. Mind-blowing sex is always rewarded with a great meal.

Sometimes I do the same thing and the girl doesn't appreciate it. After very good sex recently took a girl out to a nice place, she bitched which was completely out of character for her. Today after very good sex I took her to the school cafeteria (I work at a university) and she was all smiles and telling me how good the food was. Chalk it up to I still don't understand them hoes.

Fucking boring time wasted day yesterday. Had online date meetup. Chick looked nothing like her pictures and I honestly wasn't in the mood. We went to a bar and I told her I had to take a call as soon as we walked in. Once outside I looked at her for 5 seconds and took off running. Made it to the station hopped on the train and blocked her off whatsapp and unmatched on tinder. I don't understand why girls post old or altered photos of themselves thinking dudes will be okay with that shit.

Then hosted a decent couchsurfer (6.5), her dike justin bieber twin friend cockblocked us the whole night. She Made the night boring and by the time we got to my place we were both tired, the mood wasn't there anymore and we just slept.

Sigh; Some days just aren't a player's day!

-CD

271 pages later, this is still my favorite thread. The mood is relaxed, which produces some of the best game and life dialogue on the forum.

A few nights ago I reconnected with a girl from high school I haven't seen in six years. I had giant oneitis for her but never did shit because I had no game.

I messaged her on facebook (shoutout SourceCode for online game tips), and got her to meet me at the beach at 11 PM to walk, drink wine, and catch up. Two bottles later we're in my parent's house banging.

This was a monumental bang for me. Not only did I surpass my 2015 game goal (12 notches), but I did it in style, smashing a girl I long considered unattainable.

Happy New Year's, gentlemen. May your wildest dreams come true. Post your 2016 Game Goals and fuck her right in the pussy!

The year is almost up. Been farming numbers for a while but crops won't grow...must be the weather. Recently checked my whatsapp to see a girl I cold approached a few months back. We never got it off the ground. This was really something like my freshman year in the game. I'm interested how this last week turns out.

Some days ago a tinder girl whose number I had deleted reconnected trough WhatsApp. Haven't met up yet, but somehow long facebook game seems promising. Until now she revealed she is a single mom, the kid is 5 years old (she's 25). She has pictures in the gym so I guess she keeps herself tight. Once I return to my city I will hit her up.

Was cleaning out my address book, and sent out a bulk email to some old prospects. I got a couple of bites. Ended up convincing a wealthy Persian girl to fly to Europe with me (she's based in the US) for one week. At the time I met her, she was in a relationship, so nothing went down. But it turns out her older dude was cheating on her with several other women (which I could have told her at the time...). So after three years, this prospect has unexpectedly been revitalised.

(12-27-2015 07:09 PM)churros Wrote:  Was cleaning out my address book, and sent out a bulk email to some old prospects. I got a couple of bites. Ended up convincing a wealthy Persian girl to fly to Europe with me (she's based in the US) for one week. At the time I met her, she was in a relationship, so nothing went down. But it turns out her older dude was cheating on her with several other women (which I could have told her at the time...). So after three years, this prospect has unexpectedly been revitalised.

Details?
You just convinced her to come with you like that? You guys split the bill on everything or what? Did you sleep in separate rooms, same rooms separate beds or same bed? No bang no kiss etc?

-CD

Not happening until next week, will report back. I was making the trip anyway, so I thought she could tag along. Because she's making a transatlantic flight, I agreed to cover accomodation – a friend in the city is lending his apartment on the cheap, so it's no skin off my back. There is certainly some ambiguity, because it's not like I demanded she agree to bang in advance. But I was getting strong signals on skype, so will take the risk. I also made my intentions clear when we first met, so she must know what's up.

Sounds like an adventure, look forward to hearing about your success. Good luck.

-CD

Pinay chick who I thought was down went cold when I asked if she'd be busy this week (not directly but a subtle way of asking if she's free). Thinking about pinging (just did) the girl from cold approach (mixed 8). I guess I'm just going to exhaust my resources and see what happens. Nothing to lose really.

(12-27-2015 10:00 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Pinay chick who I thought was down went cold when I asked if she'd be busy this week (not directly but a subtle way of asking if she's free). Thinking about pinging (just did) the girl from cold approach (mixed 8). I guess I'm just going to exhaust my resources and see what happens. Nothing to lose really.

Update: Locked in something for Tuesday evening.

Notes:
Matched/Good banter online/number crunch/casual text offline/cold period/date-set

She leaves the country in January, so I'll try to make this count for something.

Buddy just got broken up with (he fell hard for a chic), so wanted to do Sunday funday. I'm down...basically drinking with a couple friends. I was telling him how I felt a little soft on gaming with the chic I'd been seeing, needed to get back into it.

I ended up sitting next to a 23 year old hottie, by this time I was a bit buzzed, but I managed to intrude on her and her fat friend's conversation. I got her number and made tentative plans to hang out.

We'll see. I still have my regular, but I needed to re-sharpen my skillset. I may or may not meet up with her, but it was fun to do some gaming.

It's been a rough week, lots been storming.

Went out christmas eve, a buddy picked me up, my regular bar was empty but a few friends showed up which was nice. A married couple I've know since high school showed up and we chatted. We got into tinder and the wife whose my friend also got a little incited about wanting to date/bang younger girls, got the same "what would you even have in common with them" questioning which I immediately shut down, I even called her out on being insecure about it. Eventually, I saw a cute friend of hers on her IG which I'm having her set me up with.

The old bar owner came in, it was great talking to him, he's on old school east coaster, reminds me of a mafia type of guy. We ended up shutting the bar down and I bounced.

Xmas morning was the toughest - I didn't want to get out of bed, my friend invited me to his wifes mothers house to have breakfast, I just wasn't feeling the whole family kind of deal.

Reason is, I don't have much of a family, mother's on the deep end (kind of crazy to deal with) I rarely see her, my bio father's non existent, the male relative who helped raise me isn't the holiday kind of guy and is in the background. Maybe that's why I have a hard time connecting or feel uncomfortable in family situations, unless it's a party type atmosphere.

I had to deal with a lot of the "where's your girl?" "what, you guys broke up !?" "why ? she was really cool" questions, which did suck, I made the answers simple and rational as I can.

It really hit me xmas morning when i was driving to get fast food for lunch, the streets were empty, I was driving around to find something to eat.

I was alone.

I decided to make the best of it, I cleaned out everything I didn't need, clothes, furniture, old stuff, I'm simplifying my room, I ended up talking to my friend about the flooring, he apologized for flaking, and would make it up to me.

I ended up going to his house that night with 2 other friends, chatting and drinking. I bounced to head to the annual xmas meet up at another local bar.

I stayed for 2 drinks over 30 minutes, I just wasn't feeling it, everyone was clicked up, I had rolled solo there, said fuck it and bounced. I should've just stayed at my friends house.

Saturday was cool, a buddy flew down and texted me to come visit, a friend of ours was moving to the other side of the world and my friends from Friday were there. We did a bunch of blow, shot pool, and drank till 5am.

We talked about the good in each other and other positive vibes and things we've gone through.

I worked a few hours Sunday, then my flooring buddy came by, I bounced home that afternoon to get ready and suit up for the comedy show with the Armenian girl, she had gotten tickets for us. She said she was sick but still going.

The fucking cunt ended up never responding, fuck her, next.

I ended up passing out that afternoon and woke up this morning. Much needed, I feel better about everything, got some more numbers also, and now I'm lining dates up for this week. We'll see what happens.

I'm trying to look at all the positive and moving forward into the next year.

I've been hit with a barrage of flakes after being on a tear for the last few months. My main chick is increasingly suspicious of me. My #1 side chick has gone home for winter break. Not good timing on all fronts. Thinking I'm going to break it off with my main girl and start fresh for the new year.

This is a write-up for a date I went on in August. I decided to post it now because the good advice I received might help others browsing this thread.

Short story, met a 35yo half german half filipina, looked almost Latin, at coffee shop around 11 am on a Wednesday. She was visiting from out of town. Very, very receptive in coffee shop. She basically asked me to meet her later for dinner. I told her, maybe I’ll have to see my schedule. In the afternoon, I texted her saying “she could take me out to dinner” (role reversal) and she replied back with some stuff and "just so you can manage expectations, I’m spending far too much money on stuff to be able to be your sugar momma tonight ;-)". I replied back with a joke about my other sugar mommas. She laughed, then said “see you tonight.”

I met her. We had appetizers, then I bounced her to a bar, then an Uber back to my place. I told her, “let’s have round two in my neighborhood”, but I didn’t specify it was to be at my place. She was laughing and smiling a lot throughout—by the end of our time at the bar, she was giving me the glazed-over eyes look.

We get to my house, I pour some wine. I bring her to my room and we start watching TV on my bed, she rests her head on my chest. After about 15 mins on my bed, (2.5 hours into date), I go for kiss, she very enthusiastically kisses back and puts her hand through my hair. I escalate, letting my hand roll down her bare legs (she was wearing a dress) and then, she closes herself off. I move away from her so we're no longer touching, we watch more TV, and I try again after a few minutes (I should have waited longer). We kiss a bit more and she shuts down, “I’m not looking to do this. I didn’t realize we would be going back to your place. I’m going to leave.”

She gets off my bed, and begins to walk downstairs. I’m a bit emotional to be honest because it came suddenly; but, it isn’t the first time I got rejected at my house. I’m less fazed this time around. We chat for a bit on our porch, and then she goes.

After she left, I sat down and came up with this list of takeaways and learnings:

* Disqualify her early in the date, “you know I shouldn’t be here doing this—you’re not my type.” Set a standard so she feels like she’s working for something.

* First kiss, keep it short. Even if it’s on my bed.

* Specify that we’re going back to my place instead of my neighborhood, “Let’s do round two with wine and conversation at my place.” [After we made out and she gave resistance, she explicitly told me, “I didn’t realize we were going back to your place”.]

* At any resistance, wait ten minutes, not three. Shrug it off—hold her again like you were before and wait.

* Women can smell bitterness. Important to not be fazed. Go back to what we were doing (in this case, it was watching TV and she was resting her head on my chest) and wait ten minutes.

* If she says, “I’m going to go”, let her. Respond with, “That’s fine, I had a good time.” or in this case add, “I’m not going to see you again.” (but not at all bitter).

Upon re-reading my list now, only one or two pieces of my learnings I'd actually consider meritorious (1. Specifying we are going back to my place, and 2. Not being fazed). A guy I have loads of respect for here, OTSC, gave me some additional advice that I'm reprinting here with his permission:

So, long story short and this may not help you but from what you wrote I don't see anything wrong in what you did. For every successful bang I have earned there's at least 3-4 stories almost identical to what just wrote. The reality is some women are just not down for having sex even if they're giving off all of the early signs and come back to your place with you. So with that being said here are some things to keep in mind for next time:

• Avoid dinner dates until after you've banged her at least once. Buying meals can trigger her "provider alarm" and she will subconsciously make you wait before sex since you could potentially be a good boyfriend. I'll buy an app plate or two on occasion but try to keep it to just drinks.
• When you're on the date do everything you can in both your body language and manner of speaking to come across as relaxed, chill and almost indifferent to her.
• Another blogger who I follow (google blackdragon) says something to the effect of "cool guys don't necessarily get laid but RELAXED ones do". This really hit home for me and has helped my success rate.
• While you're on your date, try to get her talking about sex in a very casual way. Don't start dirty talking to her but talk about it as if you two are discussing a mutual hobby that you both enjoy (which should be true right?) Especially get her talking about what she likes and her complaints about other guys and how they just don't get it. It will separate you from the crowd and get her curious about how good you really are.
• Never kiss her until you're at a place where you can easily have sex. When you invite her back to your place make sure it's under the premise of doing or seeing something non sexual. Women need that plausible deniability. Also never trick her into going back to your place. When I'm on a date and we leave there's no confusion that she's coming to my place.
• Once you're back at your place, try to kiss her within the first 10 minutes of being there but keep it quick and immediately disengage and go back to what you were doing/talking about. Women need a little time to process what happens and think about it
• After you've kissed her and you're sitting with your drinks and talking, go for the kiss again when you feel the moment is right. Keep escalating and if she resists stop and go back to what you were talking about or be ready to ask her a "random" question to get her mind off of what just happened.
• Wait between 5-10 minutes and when you are on a high point (she laughs, touches you, gives you a positive sign, repeat and kiss her again. Also, pull her into you and don't move over to her. It's subtle but shows you're in control.
• If she verbalizes that she's not ready for sex yet agree with her and say something to the effect of "no worries, let's slow down and do what's comfortable for both of us" That's a line straight from the old school PUA Ross Jeffries and it's pretty effective.
• When you're sitting with her and you're about to make your move or even if you're in between escalation attempts really try to internalize and believe the mindset that you don't give a shit what happens one way or another. Maybe even think about how you're looking forward to getting back to that book or tv show that you like once she leaves. It can help diffuse your own neediness.
• If she says that she needs to leave don't beg her to stay but you can be persistent and say something like "We're having a great time, stay for 10 more minutes and then you can go." I had one girl who came back to my place and when I kissed her in the kitchen after we got back (like 2 minutes in) I said that very line and 10 mins later I was banging her on my couch.
• If she's adamant about leaving let her go but show no emotion about it. The odds are you'll never see her again but if you show anger or neediness those odds go up to 100%.
• Finally and most importantly, it's a numbers game and you can and will get these women who are a no go regularly. If you're a baseball fan think of all the times you see sluggers hit deep balls only to be caught by the fielder reaching over the fence and stealing the home run.
  

That's about all I got man but just to reiterate the thing that has helped me the most in the last few months is really working on relaxing myself physically and mentally while on dates. It's now a habit where my posture is almost like slacking or lounging in my seat. If you remember the first star wars movie where Han Solo was sitting in the bar and Greedo confronted him that's how you want to be. He's leaning against the wall like he really doesn't give a shit about him. I've had women literally climb over on me while doing that. And this is coming from a guy who used to lean in and nervously nod and grin while a woman was talking to me.

(12-26-2015 04:13 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(12-25-2015 08:57 PM)toejam Wrote:  AO how do you punish bad behavior?

The best way to punish a woman is to withdraw your attention from her.

You can do this in subtle ways even while she is in your presence, or more obvious ways such as not communicating with her for a time.

Men don't understand the degree to which attention is the lifeblood of a woman's spirit.

Thanks to MrXY for providing the answer while absent from the forum for the holidays. As I read toejam's post I was thinking this same answer in my head. If she wants your attention and wants to make you happy you can tell her directly that you don't approve of her behavior but you better have established a solid frame to pull this off. Never be afraid to tell her no.

(12-28-2015 01:02 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I was alone.

I decided to make the best of it, I cleaned out everything I didn't need, clothes, furniture, old stuff, I'm simplifying my room, I ended up talking to my friend about the flooring, he apologized for flaking, and would make it up to me.

You're always alone and never alone. You're always alone in that there's nobody other than yourself that will always be around and have your best intentions in mind, and you're never alone because you always have the choice to seek out others who are likeminded who you can provide value to and from whom you can derive value which you wouldn't be able to get otherwise.

Good job turning that into something productive.

I had a fairly simple holiday and managed to get in some much needed exercise but I may have tweaked a joint pretty good. Will have to step back and build myself back up. New Year's Eve is rapidly approaching and it will be a lot of fun. I'm going to do my part to setup my party so it has a solid ratio and my friend's and I have a great fucking time. Hope you all have a great NYE and then focus on your goals for 2016 after the hangover wears off.