Post: #51

From what I've listened to and read about MGTOW. It comes down to:
Don't get married. (Avoids divorce)
Don't live with a woman. (Avoids common law)
Always wear protection you've obtained yourself. (Avoid pregnancies while minimizing risk)

Like any movement, their is the loser subset who's permanently obsessed with female nature.

There is many that go beyond that and mature.
See Trevor Freeman, Gregory Becker, Stardusk, Bar Bar, Messenger rising etc.. Grows into what it's to unplug from the Matrix of society. What's to be a man and a human.

Post: #52

@It_Is_My_Time:

Sounds like you are taking charge of your life, which is great.

But I have some questions about what you've said here.

You said that with your schedule, "there is no way I could take 2 weeks to travel to another country. And to be honest, it isn't worth it just to get laid."

You also said you have basically sworn off of sex with American women.

So what are you doing for sexual activity right now, here and now, for you sexual needs? Are you just throwing in the towel, and resigning yourself to celibacy?

Do you see my point? As it is now, it looks like you have no sex life. If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong.

(And if you're banging prostitutes, that does not qualify as a "sex life." )

By adopting the idea that you're going to work and slave for 20 years just to hopefully move abroad, and to be miserable for 20 years in self-imposed celibacy, is not what I consider an acceptable option.

Post: #53

(12-14-2015 12:46 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  But the economy in the west is about to implode. And the last thing I want to be is stuck in another country when this happens. It could get VERY ugly VERY fast if the US economy takes the expected nose dive. And being an American in a country hurt by this could be deadly for you.

Care to expand specifically on what you mean by this?

Post: #54

@It_Is_My_Time:

And I would have to disagree with you completely on traveling abroad to meet women.

If you think it's "not worth it" to travel abroad to find foreign women and girlfriends, then I don't know what more to say.

I've been doing it for years, and have had some of the best, most fulfilling relationships of my life.

I just don't understand your thought process.

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Post: #55

(12-14-2015 01:04 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @It_Is_My_Time:

Sounds like you are taking charge of your life, which is great.

But I have some questions about what you've said here.

You said that with your schedule, "there is no way I could take 2 weeks to travel to another country. And to be honest, it isn't worth it just to get laid."

You also said you have basically sworn off of sex with American women.

So what are you doing for sexual activity right now, here and now, for you sexual needs? Are you just throwing in the towel, and resigning yourself to celibacy?

Do you see my point? As it is now, it looks like you have no sex life. If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong.

(And if you're banging prostitutes, that does not qualify as a "sex life." )

By adopting the idea that you're going to work and slave for 20 years just to hopefully move abroad, and to be miserable for 20 years in self-imposed celibacy, is not what I consider an acceptable option.

I have no sex life, you assertions are correct. I would certainly avoid Prostitutes in the USA with all the sting operations and our govt. so desperate for more revenue.

Well, I am about 17 years into the 20 years of hell, so there is light at the end of the tunnel. So I am about on the other side. But I have not seen a reasonable option for men not born into great wealth or the right connections to move overseas. IMO, one night stands or even fuck buddies is far too risky in the USA, and moving overseas is almost impossible for most men in the USA.

Post: #56

(12-14-2015 01:20 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I have no sex life, you assertions are correct.

I rest my case.

Post: #57

(12-14-2015 01:08 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:46 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  But the economy in the west is about to implode. And the last thing I want to be is stuck in another country when this happens. It could get VERY ugly VERY fast if the US economy takes the expected nose dive. And being an American in a country hurt by this could be deadly for you.

Care to expand specifically on what you mean by this?

The US economy will collapse. I don't know when, it depends on how much longer the bankers will continue to bail us out at these interest rates. And the seem ready to say "enough is enough" in the latest economic speeches/talks they give.

When that happens, hopefully it will be like 2007, but my guess is 1929 is what we are looking at more likely. And in this case, the last thing I would want to be is an American in a place greatly hurt by this. The govt. there might take it out on you, the people themselves might take it out on you, God knows what might come of it. But it is looking very ugly.

Post: #58

(12-14-2015 01:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:20 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I have no sex life, you assertions are correct.

I rest my case.

I crave freedom more than sex. I think some time around turning 30 most men switch to this. Our sex drive drops and our minds open up. I would rather be free than hook up with some America woman or take the chance of being overseas with the obvious collapse coming.

Post: #59

(12-14-2015 01:11 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @It_Is_My_Time:

And I would have to disagree with you completely on traveling abroad to meet women.

If you think it's "not worth it" to travel abroad to find foreign women and girlfriends, then I don't know what more to say.

I've been doing it for years, and have had some of the best, most fulfilling relationships of my life.

I just don't understand your thought process.

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What kind of job do you work where you can not only get off 2 weeks in a row to do this, but are able to do so without worrying about layoffs that are rampant in the US today?

Post: #60

(12-14-2015 01:22 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:08 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:46 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  But the economy in the west is about to implode. And the last thing I want to be is stuck in another country when this happens. It could get VERY ugly VERY fast if the US economy takes the expected nose dive. And being an American in a country hurt by this could be deadly for you.

Care to expand specifically on what you mean by this?

The US economy will collapse. I don't know when, it depends on how much longer the bankers will continue to bail us out at these interest rates. And the seem ready to say "enough is enough" in the latest economic speeches/talks they give.

When that happens, hopefully it will be like 2007, but my guess is 1929 is what we are looking at more likely. And in this case, the last thing I would want to be is an American in a place greatly hurt by this. The govt. there might take it out on you, the people themselves might take it out on you, God knows what might come of it. But it is looking very ugly.

I don't really see any specifics, aside from the usual doomsday fear mongering.

Post: #61

(12-14-2015 01:25 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:22 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:08 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:46 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  But the economy in the west is about to implode. And the last thing I want to be is stuck in another country when this happens. It could get VERY ugly VERY fast if the US economy takes the expected nose dive. And being an American in a country hurt by this could be deadly for you.

Care to expand specifically on what you mean by this?

The US economy will collapse. I don't know when, it depends on how much longer the bankers will continue to bail us out at these interest rates. And the seem ready to say "enough is enough" in the latest economic speeches/talks they give.

When that happens, hopefully it will be like 2007, but my guess is 1929 is what we are looking at more likely. And in this case, the last thing I would want to be is an American in a place greatly hurt by this. The govt. there might take it out on you, the people themselves might take it out on you, God knows what might come of it. But it is looking very ugly.

I don't really see any specifics, aside from the usual doomsday fear mongering.

Do you follow the forex markets and listen to the news events? If not, then you probably are not aware of how hard the Fed is pushing to raise interest rates and what that will mean.

Post: #62

(12-14-2015 01:27 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Do you follow the forex markets and listen to the news events? If not, then you probably are not aware of how hard the Fed is pushing to raise interest rates and what that will mean.

Not really, I don't have the time or energy... instead I'm concentrating on building my portable business so I could move to either SEA, SA, or EE to be with feminine women instead of "giving up" and staying in the West.

We're getting a bit off topic on this thread... but you can start a thread with more detailed specifics and facts about forex markets, interest rates, and how you think things will go down. I think it will get a lot of participation.

Post: #63

(12-14-2015 01:36 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:27 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Do you follow the forex markets and listen to the news events? If not, then you probably are not aware of how hard the Fed is pushing to raise interest rates and what that will mean.

Not really, I don't have the time or energy... instead I'm concentrating on building my portable business so I could move to either SEA, SA, or EE to be with feminine women instead of "giving up" and staying in the West.

We're getting a bit off topic on this thread... but you can start a thread with more detailed specifics and facts about forex markets, interest rates, and how you think things will go down. I think it will get a lot of participation.

Okay, well following Forex and the news releases are what one of my jobs entails. I am in it every day. The Fed is pushing hard to raise interest rates, which in laymen's terms means they know we are fucked and are trying to push the pain back on the American people to get them to wake up. It is likely a last desperate attempt before Austerity measures, which signals the beginning of the end.

Which is why I wouldn't take my small little $1,000,000 and move overseas right now. I don't know if I would do it with any amount with what is likely coming in the next 5 to 10 years.

I hope I am wrong, but this looks too obvious.

Post: #64

(12-14-2015 01:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Which is why I wouldn't take my small little $1,000,000 and move overseas right now.

Why not?

If the US economy is going to implode anytime soon, I would want to get the hell out before that happens.

Post: #65

(12-14-2015 02:01 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Which is why I wouldn't take my small little $1,000,000 and move overseas right now.

Why not?

If the US economy is going to implode anytime soon, I would want to get the hell out before that happens.

If the US economy does tumble it will have massive world wide effects. A good % of the world depends on the US for many of their day to day activities and ability to stay safe. It would be far worse in many other countries than the USA. Doubly so for a US Citizen.

Post: #66

(12-14-2015 02:05 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 02:01 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Which is why I wouldn't take my small little $1,000,000 and move overseas right now.

Why not?

If the US economy is going to implode anytime soon, I would want to get the hell out before that happens.

If the US economy does tumble it will have massive world wide effects. A good % of the world depends on the US for many of their day to day activities and ability to stay safe. It would be far worse in many other countries than the USA. Doubly so for a US Citizen.

So, just stay here, swear off women altogether, and sit on the couch watching the news waiting for something to pop?

I think I'll take my chances overseas.

Post: #67

@It_Is_My_Time:

Can't you see that you're falling into a trap?

You're foregoing proper life balance and happiness now (i.e., being celibate), for the uncertain prospect of an elusive "happiness" in the vague future?

You say you have money. So? So what? Do you think your money is going to save you? Do you think you're the only one with money? Do you think your riches are going to cushion you from the disasters of life?

Don't you know that your precious hoard of cash--which you value above all else--can be taken away from you in the blink of an eye, by any random act of Fortune?

It can all vanish, man. Faster than you think.

And if this "social collapse" plays out like you believe it will, doesn't that make my point even more?

And in your best-case scenario, will you be in your 60s and 70s, with some money, but have no way to enjoy it?

My point is this: YOU NEED TO START LIVING NOW. YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU ARE MORTAL. YOU NEED TO KNOW--NOT THINK, BUT KNOW--THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DIE.

You are falling into the trap that many guys fall into. They fail to enjoy their lives in the present, and focus too much on an elusive future. And the truth is that it is all just an elaborate rationalization mechanism. It's a way of avoiding the need to deal with reality now.

I think you would benefit from reading my book "Stoic Paradoxes."

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Post: #68

(12-14-2015 02:12 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 02:05 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 02:01 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Which is why I wouldn't take my small little $1,000,000 and move overseas right now.

Why not?

If the US economy is going to implode anytime soon, I would want to get the hell out before that happens.

If the US economy does tumble it will have massive world wide effects. A good % of the world depends on the US for many of their day to day activities and ability to stay safe. It would be far worse in many other countries than the USA. Doubly so for a US Citizen.

So, just stay here, swear off women altogether, and sit on the couch watching the news waiting for something to pop?

I think I'll take my chances overseas.

You can do as you please. I just am doing what I think is best for myself and will offer my advice.

Swearing off women isn't all that difficult, being most of them in the USA just are not even fun to be around for more than 5 minutes. And with the free time it allows you to do and learn so many cool things.

I know my goals in life and I know I must achieve them before I find a woman. And even once I do achieve them, I realize I probably will not find a woman because there are so few of any quality left in the world that you can trust in the shitty US system that is set up to destroy families.

At some point I just learned to face reality. My grandfathers got shot at in war, nearly died at young ages, worked long days out in the elements to just feed their families. They watched their friends in war die. They had to kill what they ate on the farm. They had to face possible starvation and going without. Life has always been a struggle. So I just have to live without women for a while, with no temptation to be with one because so many around me are so unattractive. It is a miniscule sacrifice compared to the older generation of men.

Post: #69

(12-14-2015 02:15 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @It_Is_My_Time:

Can't you see that you're falling into a trap?

You're foregoing proper life balance and happiness now (i.e., being celibate), for the uncertain prospect of an elusive "happiness" in the vague future?

You say you have money. So? So what? Do you think your money is going to save you? Do you think you're the only one with money? Do you think your riches are going to cushion you from the disasters of life?

Don't you know that your precious hoard of cash--which you value above all else--can be taken away from you in the blink of an eye, by any random act of Fortune?

It can all vanish, man. Faster than you think.

And if this "social collapse" plays out like you believe it will, doesn't that make my point even more?

And in your best-case scenario, will you be in your 60s and 70s, with some money, but have no way to enjoy it?

My point is this: YOU NEED TO START LIVING NOW. YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU ARE MORTAL. YOU NEED TO KNOW--NOT THINK, BUT KNOW--THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DIE.

You are falling into the trap that many guys fall into. They fail to enjoy their lives in the present, and focus too much on an elusive future. And the truth is that it is all just an elaborate rationalization mechanism. It's a way of avoiding the need to deal with reality now.

I think you would benefit from reading my book "Stoic Paradoxes."

.

I am extremely happy. Probably one of the most optimistic and happiest people you could ever meet. The reason is because I don't "want". Want is the core of unhappiness. If I see a rare attractive woman, rather than wanting her, I realize the reality of the situation. She will destroy some other chump and not me.

My money will not just vanish as how I have it invested. I don't see a societal collapse in the USA, but I do see it in a majority of the non-western world. That is why I would rather be in the USA, where we might have some economic set-backs but not killing squads and total govt. shut down like I think you might see in a good portion of the world.

My only goal is to get out of the shitty middle class existence. That is all I really care about right now. For the young guys, I cannot stress how shitty middle class life is and how much it will suck your soul dry.

Post: #70

(12-14-2015 02:27 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I don't see a societal collapse in the USA, but I do see it in a majority of the non-western world. That is why I would rather be in the USA, where we might have some economic set-backs but not killing squads and total govt. shut down like I think you might see in a good portion of the world.

I'm glad you clarified this. In your previous posts i thought you were saying the opposite.

Even during the 1929 Great Depression when there was 25% unemployment it still meant 3 out of 4 people had a job.

If there is another financial crisis worse than 2008, and I agree the odds are looking high, the US is the best country to be in. It has the best infrastructure and rule of law than any country in the world.

Save that money, and continue researching other countries where the cost of living is low and the return on women are high.

Post: #71

(12-14-2015 05:44 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 02:27 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I don't see a societal collapse in the USA, but I do see it in a majority of the non-western world. That is why I would rather be in the USA, where we might have some economic set-backs but not killing squads and total govt. shut down like I think you might see in a good portion of the world.

I'm glad you clarified this. In your previous posts i thought you were saying the opposite.

Even during the 1929 Great Depression when there was 25% unemployment it still meant 3 out of 4 people had a job.

If there is another financial crisis worse than 2008, and I agree the odds are looking high, the US is the best country to be in. It has the best infrastructure and rule of law than any country in the world.

Save that money, and continue researching other countries where the cost of living is low and the return on women are high.

My dream for years was to move to central Europe. Germany, Switzerland, or Austria. I love their culture, I love their people, and I love their weather. But I knew I was not in the position to move there at that time, and the economy was iffy and could impact them more.

We have two very important things that make me think the USA is safe. The freedom of speech, which allows us to dissent but also allows us to organize if things get bad. And the right to bare arms. The reason the elites struggle so much to infiltrate the USA is because of these two rights.

So I am waiting to see what comes of this mess. Can the west be saved? I don't know, but I do know until things look good again, I don't plan to leave the USA.

I completely understand the desire to have women in your life. I completely understand the desire to get the hell out of the USA. This country is a damn mess and the women are even worse. But I also know the reality of my situation, and MGTOW has not only been the best choice, it has saved me from a life of disaster and lead me to enlightenment. I look at all my friends from high school and college that got married or still are married, and I wouldn't change places with any of them. I look at my friends who just played the field and the same is true as well. MGTOW saved my life and now I am mature and see the big picture, I get to start over with a clean slate and a nest egg to boot.

Post: #72

IIMT, it sounds to me like you're worrying about every possible worst case scenario and it's stopping you from enjoying life to the fullest. I know you say you're happy, but the way you describe your thought process sounds like it's coming from fear, and not a true zen disconnect from want. We are men, we want to fuck beautiful women, it is hardwired into us at the biological level. I agree that most western women aren't a catch or worth the time, but there are other places in the world.

$1M is enough to live off of in many places. In the Philippines at your age you could get a retirement visa and live comfortably for $20k/year while being surrounded by young feminine cuties who aren't yet corrupted by feminism.

$1M would generate more than enough dividend income to get by. If you're worried about a market crash you could keep cash on the sidelines or hedge with asymmetric shorts. A market crash would mean an inflation in dollar value, and allow you to reinvest later at a discount.

Or there are other places where you can invest directly in income generating assets with that kind of money. Real estate that can be rented out for passive income. There are many places with decades of history of respecting property rights and attracting foreign capital. The US is far from having the cleanest balance sheet in the world. Many places are much more attractive investment environments than western markets. You have plenty, why not considering finding greener pastures?

Post: #73

I wish it was just as simple as my looking at the worst case scenario. But it isn't. I am old, I am experienced, I am wise, and I know economics. The US economy has between 5 and 10 more years. The cuts it would take to save this thing after Obama's spending spree are far too drastic. It isn't a matter of if, it is a matter of when. And when it happens, I wouldn't want to be any place other than the USA.

$1,000,000 is enough to live in many places right now. But once the economy collapses, it no longer will be.

I am invested in about every avenue possible, as diversification is the key. But with what we are facing, it isn't about protecting your wealth, it is about not being in a 2nd or 3rd world country when the tidal wave from the US economic collapse hits. The chaos and violence will be disastrous.

Post: #74

^ I have faith there will be a new invention or technology that will change the economic landscape in 10 years.

Free renewable energy (transportation) and free food will happen within 30 years I have faith like a wild Baptist.

Post: #75

Quote:Getting women is VERY easy,

I'm skeptical about that statement...

I agree with Quintus. One's life is in the present moment. Most people go through life without living it. The "future" is really just a projection of your mind. Living based only on hope for the future is nothing but a rationalization for resisting and denying your current reality. True "prosperity" is being grateful for who you are, where you are, and what you have now.