Much Respect I finally got through reading the old "Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???" thread and some days of checking out datasheets for the purpose of narrowing down some spots for visiting>long term relocation.

Since I have become much more game aware I have realized just how low quality
the women are that surround me "everywhere" I go in my country, the caribbean hamster bukkaked by heavy western influence is hell....apart from the half decent young tourist women that roll off the ships/into hotels I have no interest in black women here NONE....

So far it seems Europe fits the bill as a place to visit/base comfortably
and is a step up in quality of life.

Czech Republic seems a strong candidate for a few months
maybe the surrounding areas too.

The Nordic countries look really good but I am ignorant to the current Immigrant situation so I am not to sure and would rather stay clear from areas affected by it.

>Also considering Japan but a friend of mine recommends at least a year of lessons before heading there for the best results.

There are tons of other places I looked at in SEA and CE/EE over the past couple days but I want to keep the mental masturabation to a minimum on my end.

Any recommendations for potential candidates or tips to offer a brother?


My current income monthly from my online Biz is mid $,$$$ at the minimum definitely potential to make more but my time is tied up with a shit ton of other unavoidable stuff which bottlenecks the time I can put in.

^Nordic countries are fine, problem is they are expensive and winters are cold.

Central Europe is obvious choice, with Budapest being a good choice due to cost and location.

How much is your budget?

Pm me if you like

(11-02-2015 01:30 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Nordic countries are fine, problem is they are expensive and winters are cold.

Central Europe is obvious choice, with Budapest being a good choice due to cost and location.

How much is your budget?

Pm me if you like

Cool I'll dig into Budapest and CE

Budget is floating around 4-5k.

Don't go to Budapest. It's a horrible place for a new player.There is nothing there for anyone. It's full of basic women and it gets really cold in the winter and really hot in the summer.
Buildings have no air conditioning.

Just a reminder, but Americans of all types will always do well in the UK.

It's been said many times here, but is often overlooked because of the stereotype of UK women being terrible. Yes, some of them are terrible, but a smart person with a little bit of patience can slay a lot of quality UK lizards, especially black men. If you're American, you have a head start because you speak the same language, and you're not native(you don't need to understand Game to realise that tourists have an advantage).


I'm not black, but I'm not selfish and I don't have a problem with tourists getting it on with the locals, I like to see people having fun, life is short.


Take the plunge and sample some UK pussy, some of it is very good!

^ The problem with the UK is that it is expensive and the quality of woman is low, I have spent time there and did alright. Are you in London?

Once I went over to other countries in Europe, I did a lot better and hated coming back to the UK.

As of late and being a little older, I am starting to think differently. I think living in the South of France for example would be more appealing, high quality of life, learning French, great food, good weather and a great location. I can access Scandinavia, Central Europe and Eastern Europe easily. Getting females to visit wouldn't be a problem, I imagine.

(11-02-2015 08:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ The problem with the UK is that it is expensive and the quality of woman is low, I have spent time there and did alright. Are you in London?

Once I went over to other countries in Europe, I did a lot better and hated coming back to the UK.

As of late and being a little older, I am starting to think differently. I think living in the South of France for example would be more appealing, high quality of life, learning French, great food, good weather and a great location. I can access Scandinavia, Central Europe and Eastern Europe easily. Getting females to visit wouldn't be a problem, I imagine.

Hi Rudebwoy, as you're probably aware, London and the UK has changed a lot over the last 10-15 years. I have lived all over London, but mostly through the 90s(good times), so my perspective is out of date. I still think American black men will do well here though. I agree that there are a lot of low quality lizards, horrible slags that you wouldn't even spit on if they were on fire, but there is still some quality here. Social circle game is the way to access the quality; get a job, make some friends, and eventually you'll have access to some very good looking women. If you're prepared to put the time in, I think it will pay off. But like you say, these days other parts of Europe might offer quicker results.

Budapest clubs close as midnight. They have no pet stores, so your openers will be useless. With all the refugees, they have enacted the anti manspreading law.
Girls have dyed hair and there were surprisingly a lot of McDonald's. It's growing popular here. At least star bucks hasn't hit hard. But there are a lot of gourmet pancake places a around.

I suggest everyone stay as far from Budapest as possible.unless you want to be disappointed.
I assure you that UK women will love your accent. Simply being American is a big plus and girls will open you just to hear you talk.
I was in Manchester and London. Manchester girls took me out to some bad ass house party and I smashed one of them and left them weed as a thank you.
London. I almost had a Threesome with two girls. One white, one black but one of the girls sisters woke up and kicked me out. I had to sleep in a train station till the train started running. My friend passed out in a backyard after doing coke.

UK > Budapest

Yoooo glad to see the trolls are gone (for now). In Berlin at the moment guys. Had a layover in Philly ended up sharing train ride with a fine ass half hispanic half irish chick. Got her info as she lives in my city. Use the same do you run line, turns out she does marathons weekly.

Was in Bonn/Cologne over the weekend getting eye fucked like it was nobody's business. My girl was getting super jealous. Any brother that can dress will definitely do well in the 2nd/3rd tier cities in Germany for sure.

Went out to club Matrix last night(Berlin). I heard rumors they don't let minorities in, and this black guy(African) and his two turkish friends got rejected at the door. I followed with my mate from London and flash that U.S passport, they shook my hand and let us in. Club had crazy ratios of 4 chicks to 1 dude beginning of the night, end of night was like 5 guys for every 2 girls. Approached like 4 chicks. All hot....All blew me out haha great times. If you are tall and can dress well you'll catch so many stares here it's ridiculous, i'm average height (5'10) so they chicks didn't seem all that impressed.

Something interesting, not one guy in that club approached a chick all night besides myself and my London mate. Is this common practice out here?

(10-29-2015 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  So what do you do? Do you give her the fantasy? Do you call her out? Do you ignore?

WIA

This depends on a few factors. When I was younger i'd love to play the hip-hop gangster card, but now I give chicks the stale face if they mention some stereotypical shit. Most don't as I specifically only interact with chicks that are in college or post grad. I have called out a few chicks and they apologize promptly and we move on.

BTW the podcast is not working.

-CD

cover, I had to re-edit the pod and I will re-release it in a few days.

Podcast is up!!

(11-06-2015 02:41 AM)Moma Wrote:  Podcast is up!!

(02-20-2015 07:24 PM)jariel Wrote:  TravelerKai and I both mentioned that recent study in which white women said a Black man had to make over $250,000 annually for her to consider.

That's a joke to me because most women would never have the opportunity to be with any type of man that made that kind of money, and most white men don't even make that kind of money so that being the standard for a Black man is ridiculous.

But what's being missed there is the fact that it is not her feelings that change, it's her willingness. If she can't love you for you as a person if you made $75,000, why would she love you just because you made $250,000? So again, her willingness to be with you changed, that kind of money is enough of a bribe for her because it ensures her a certain type of lifestyle, which she can grow to love, but that has nothing to do with you as a man.

(02-20-2015 07:44 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 07:29 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  So a black guy can meet white girls with an average income, but he won't meet them at the consistency that a white man will, obviously. And the only way he will consistently do so is if he is making 250k a year.

Ok, even if that's the case, what I'm saying still stands. With the money being in play, all that means is that a woman's willingness to engage you in a certain manner changes, but that has nothing to do with her actual feelings.

The money changes the willingness, not the feelings.

Think about that for a second.

(02-20-2015 06:21 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 04:17 AM)kosko Wrote:  In 2015 is it really a accomplishment for a brother to swoop a white girl?

This is real talk. Black dudes gravitate towards white American girls because they're status symbols, like "look at me, I'm a nigga who came up."
Relationships with white women are confusing at best. You have to become a certain "thing" which is typically something that you're not for them to really check for you.

For me that was a phase, and I'm done. You guys can have them. You pop your suspenders, rock bow ties, get doctorate degrees, and whatever else you feel you need to do so you can grab yourself a white woman who's closer to her psychiatrist than she is with you, and if she ever has your kids will have her fingers and toes crossed that the kids don't come out too Black.

These are the realities of the game, just because you choose to be willfully ignorant of them doesn't mean they aren't true.

Good points.

^ Posted in wrong thread.

(11-03-2015 04:21 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Yoooo glad to see the trolls are gone (for now). In Berlin at the moment guys. Had a layover in Philly ended up sharing train ride with a fine ass half hispanic half irish chick. Got her info as she lives in my city. Use the same do you run line, turns out she does marathons weekly.

Was in Bonn/Cologne over the weekend getting eye fucked like it was nobody's business. My girl was getting super jealous. Any brother that can dress will definitely do well in the 2nd/3rd tier cities in Germany for sure.

Went out to club Matrix last night(Berlin). I heard rumors they don't let minorities in, and this black guy(African) and his two turkish friends got rejected at the door. I followed with my mate from London and flash that U.S passport, they shook my hand and let us in. Club had crazy ratios of 4 chicks to 1 dude beginning of the night, end of night was like 5 guys for every 2 girls. Approached like 4 chicks. All hot....All blew me out haha great times. If you are tall and can dress well you'll catch so many stares here it's ridiculous, i'm average height (5'10) so they chicks didn't seem all that impressed.

Something interesting, not one guy in that club approached a chick all night besides myself and my London mate. Is this common practice out here?

(10-29-2015 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  So what do you do? Do you give her the fantasy? Do you call her out? Do you ignore?

WIA

This depends on a few factors. When I was younger i'd love to play the hip-hop gangster card, but now I give chicks the stale face if they mention some stereotypical shit. Most don't as I specifically only interact with chicks that are in college or post grad. I have called out a few chicks and they apologize promptly and we move on.

BTW the podcast is not working.

-CD

Haven't been here for a while. Awesome that you're visiting Berlin. It's a cool place.

German clubs are ridiculously hit or miss. Many times the (pretty) girls who go to clubs will have a boyfriend at home...and go out just to hang with her girlfriends.

Another thing about German culture is that girls will have the same boyfriend from highschool for like 6-8 years...without dating other people and without getting married. And you see that play out in club atmosphere where a group of (pretty) girls will all have these long term relationships...or living with a guy at home.

In other words, it's almost become a stalemate in most clubs in Germany...
and the only way to breakthrough is to either focus on several smaller places during the night or bring your girl with you to the party.

It's no longer effective to rely on clubs to find available women in the 7-9 category...

I just wanted to mention that Koreans really like chicken and watermelon.


They sell watermelon all year round it seems. And there are fried chicken restaurants on every corner.

(10-26-2015 09:30 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 08:53 PM)EatMee Wrote:  I don't think it has anything to do with negative stereotypes or the US being less accepting of interracial dating considering it's also very rare for Black guys to get with high quality White woman anywhere else in Europe too.

^I know many black guys who are gaming high quality women in Europe, so to me is not rare. German girls aren't hard for a decent brother to game.

You can game any girl but it doesn't mean you can pull them.

(10-30-2015 10:01 AM)Moma Wrote:  DiscoBoi, can you summarise your new findings?

What new findings?

All I know is it's still relatively harder to pull white girls (ones that don't already like black guys on her own) then an equal white guy because being a black guy only appeals to a small niche. Meaning if I game these niche types (have a black guy fetish or wants to try us out) I wouldn't need to do much, like how my white friend doesn't need to do much at all with the type of girls that go for him. If we switch places, I would have to put in a whole lot of work to get the girls that want my white friend just as he would have to put more work if he was at a black club where the girls aren't into white guys, so i'm saying that the results you are going to get will NOT match your white counter part or the results you would get if you were in your own 'market' so to speak.

(11-07-2015 04:55 PM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  All I know is it's still relatively harder to pull white girls (ones that don't already like black guys on her own) then an equal white guy because being a black guy only appeals to a small niche. Meaning if I game these niche types (have a black guy fetish or wants to try us out) I wouldn't need to do much, like how my white friend doesn't need to do much at all with the type of girls that go for him. If we switch places, I would have to put in a whole lot of work to get the girls that want my white friend just as he would have to put more work if he was at a black club where the girls aren't into white guys, so i'm saying that the results you are going to get will NOT match your white counter part or the results you would get if you were in your own 'market' so to speak.

Just a heads up, your "I know many Black guys" argument is purely anecdotal on your part which doesn't prove that it's something common in the general population (This is directed towards rudebwoy's comment).

^Sorry, not sure what you are trying to say.

I know many guys who clean up with hot women, they are based in Europe.

General population is where? America!

(11-07-2015 06:35 PM)TP LaNk Wrote:  Just a heads up, your "I know many Black guys" argument is purely anecdotal on your part which doesn't prove that it's something common in the general population (This is directed towards rudebwoy's comment).

America definitely has a different dynamic. Honestly, even being an American and living it, I don't understand why there is still so much (anti-black) animus. But it is there. It's a complex issue that I have yet to fully figure out.

I can see how it can be tough to game given the (negative) psychological factors already present in the population. But we can learn a lot game-wise from cult-leaders, on isolating women from the overall cultural climate and bringing them into our world. I don't mean going out and starting a retreat in the mountains, but general principles.

Overall it's tough to game in America, period. White or black. There are factors working against everyone from feminism to obesity to smartphone mania. I don't see things easing up for any race of guy until those overall factors become better, then there would be better results across the board.

Your best bet is, like I said, international arbitrage. Get the fuck out of the US for a while. Or leveraging some sort of niche status (aka like Cult leader game).

(11-07-2015 12:34 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 04:21 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Yoooo glad to see the trolls are gone (for now). In Berlin at the moment guys. Had a layover in Philly ended up sharing train ride with a fine ass half hispanic half irish chick. Got her info as she lives in my city. Use the same do you run line, turns out she does marathons weekly.

Was in Bonn/Cologne over the weekend getting eye fucked like it was nobody's business. My girl was getting super jealous. Any brother that can dress will definitely do well in the 2nd/3rd tier cities in Germany for sure.

Went out to club Matrix last night(Berlin). I heard rumors they don't let minorities in, and this black guy(African) and his two turkish friends got rejected at the door. I followed with my mate from London and flash that U.S passport, they shook my hand and let us in. Club had crazy ratios of 4 chicks to 1 dude beginning of the night, end of night was like 5 guys for every 2 girls. Approached like 4 chicks. All hot....All blew me out haha great times. If you are tall and can dress well you'll catch so many stares here it's ridiculous, i'm average height (5'10) so they chicks didn't seem all that impressed.

Something interesting, not one guy in that club approached a chick all night besides myself and my London mate. Is this common practice out here?

(10-29-2015 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  So what do you do? Do you give her the fantasy? Do you call her out? Do you ignore?

WIA

This depends on a few factors. When I was younger i'd love to play the hip-hop gangster card, but now I give chicks the stale face if they mention some stereotypical shit. Most don't as I specifically only interact with chicks that are in college or post grad. I have called out a few chicks and they apologize promptly and we move on.

BTW the podcast is not working.

-CD

Haven't been here for a while. Awesome that you're visiting Berlin. It's a cool place.

German clubs are ridiculously hit or miss. Many times the (pretty) girls who go to clubs will have a boyfriend at home...and go out just to hang with her girlfriends.

Another thing about German culture is that girls will have the same boyfriend from highschool for like 6-8 years...without dating other people and without getting married. And you see that play out in club atmosphere where a group of (pretty) girls will all have these long term relationships...or living with a guy at home.

In other words, it's almost become a stalemate in most clubs in Germany...
and the only way to breakthrough is to either focus on several smaller places during the night or bring your girl with you to the party.

It's no longer effective to rely on clubs to find available women in the 7-9 category...

I see that now.

So update from Germany:Ended up banging this 8 swedish blond chick. Met her online and she looked way better than her pics. Had a great body and cute face. White chicks are not usually my thing, but she seemed very interested in meeting.

My question @Apollo is if clubs are not the move any more, would it be better to do some day approaches say like grocery store/starbucks/streets or here only social circle game works?

-CD

(11-08-2015 04:02 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 12:34 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 04:21 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Yoooo glad to see the trolls are gone (for now). In Berlin at the moment guys. Had a layover in Philly ended up sharing train ride with a fine ass half hispanic half irish chick. Got her info as she lives in my city. Use the same do you run line, turns out she does marathons weekly.

Was in Bonn/Cologne over the weekend getting eye fucked like it was nobody's business. My girl was getting super jealous. Any brother that can dress will definitely do well in the 2nd/3rd tier cities in Germany for sure.

Went out to club Matrix last night(Berlin). I heard rumors they don't let minorities in, and this black guy(African) and his two turkish friends got rejected at the door. I followed with my mate from London and flash that U.S passport, they shook my hand and let us in. Club had crazy ratios of 4 chicks to 1 dude beginning of the night, end of night was like 5 guys for every 2 girls. Approached like 4 chicks. All hot....All blew me out haha great times. If you are tall and can dress well you'll catch so many stares here it's ridiculous, i'm average height (5'10) so they chicks didn't seem all that impressed.

Something interesting, not one guy in that club approached a chick all night besides myself and my London mate. Is this common practice out here?

(10-29-2015 03:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  So what do you do? Do you give her the fantasy? Do you call her out? Do you ignore?

WIA

This depends on a few factors. When I was younger i'd love to play the hip-hop gangster card, but now I give chicks the stale face if they mention some stereotypical shit. Most don't as I specifically only interact with chicks that are in college or post grad. I have called out a few chicks and they apologize promptly and we move on.

BTW the podcast is not working.

-CD

Haven't been here for a while. Awesome that you're visiting Berlin. It's a cool place.

German clubs are ridiculously hit or miss. Many times the (pretty) girls who go to clubs will have a boyfriend at home...and go out just to hang with her girlfriends.

Another thing about German culture is that girls will have the same boyfriend from highschool for like 6-8 years...without dating other people and without getting married. And you see that play out in club atmosphere where a group of (pretty) girls will all have these long term relationships...or living with a guy at home.

In other words, it's almost become a stalemate in most clubs in Germany...
and the only way to breakthrough is to either focus on several smaller places during the night or bring your girl with you to the party.

It's no longer effective to rely on clubs to find available women in the 7-9 category...

I see that now.

So update from Germany:Ended up banging this 8 swedish blond chick. Met her online and she looked way better than her pics. Had a great body and cute face. White chicks are not usually my thing, but she seemed very interested in meeting.

My question @Apollo is if clubs are not the move any more, would it be better to do some day approaches say like grocery store/starbucks/streets or here only social circle game works?

-CD

Nice man. I also got a foreign flag when I was in Berlin this past summer, a thick Brazilian. In your short time in Germany, have you noticed the German women to be overly conservative? I was in Germany for a few weeks in three major cities (Munich, Berlin, Hamburg) and even though I have a handful of dates, I only got one flag. Most of the German women I met were hung up on the fact that I was only visiting. Plus I'm 5'6, which causes me to lose a lot of flags (as you mentioned earlier, being tall helps).

I always lose out on bangs when I tell girls I'm visiting for work as well.

Long term would yield very good results