(10-09-2015 01:33 PM)Gamma Wrote:  These are not immigrants.

These are refugees.

There is a humanitarian disaster going on. And if Europe cannot unite to help prevent such a thing, then it will be to our eternal shame.

LOL, yes, help the Syrian's in Syria and rebuild their country. They sure as shit won't invite you into their home for...what do you eat? where are you from?...but the 80%+ men between 18-44 demo "refugees" won't be becoming best buds with you anytime soon. Submit to Allah or well; good luck.

GTFO with your nonsense.

A real solution is to invest a few billion into Syria and rebuild the country. You make good on the harm done, avoid issues for generations to come, keep both cultures in tact, and most of all, do not add millions of net negative economic parasites to an already failing continent.

(10-09-2015 03:03 PM)Gamma Wrote:  I live in the UK - and in the past decade - just a single person has being killed by Islamist terrorists. And even in that case - the terrorist involved was clearly mentally deranged. He was literally frothing at the mouth and talking to himself when he was caught.

Terrorism is a legitimate concern. But these days I think the risks are exaggerated by politicians (who can grandstand on these issues) and the security forces who want one blank cheque after another in order to keep us "safe".

Terrorism is only one part of the reason why everyone is so concerned about the "Muslim Invasion." It maybe largely over exaggerated because its not politically correct for opposing voices to use the other more proponent concerns.

While being a real threat, terrorism is not the top reason why europeans reject this muslim migration. Its because the new arrivals bring with them their 3rd world problems and pass them onto their children for generations to come.

While a suicide bombing is a major problem, Muslims constantly blocking traffic to pray on the street is an even bigger problem. While a potential attack on a train is a problem, honor killings and mas harassment in public are a much bigger problem. While a bomb on a kosher grocery store is a security problem, changing the laws of ones country to accommodate the new arrives is a far bigger one.

The migrants will not adapt and will continue to act in the same way as their cousins already there. Their rejection of western values is a big fuck you to europeans. These are values that have taken centuries of science, literature and war to mold. Any time you see images of mas prayers in Parliament or Muslim ghettos its basically a fuck you to the natives.

(10-09-2015 01:53 PM)Gamma Wrote:  Does anyone have a link to the post that takes apart the video I posted?

I am neither left or right wing. I am just trying to understand the situation and see what the best solution is.

If people have a better idea then they should try promoting their views better since the video I linked to is pretty persuasive.

See two posts on my blog (I can't post them in a link because of rules on self-promotion).

Quote:In the battle for 'hearts and minds' - the lefties (if you want to call them that) seem to be winning.

I am still not sure if that is a good thing or not. I am open minded on this topic.

No they aren't. Read the posts in this thread.

(10-09-2015 03:03 PM)Gamma Wrote:  Personally - I would rather they spent less on useless hyped up security. And just hand the cash over as compensation after the next terrorist attack.

If my aunt gets killed in a terrorist attack - I am sure 20 million dollars would help me get over it.

You wouldn't need to spend the money on hyped up security if you just kept them out.

And I think you'd sing a different tune when your neighborhood becomes a shithole and your girlfriend, sisters, etc. can't go outside without fear of being raped.

Aside from that, say goodbye to girls looking hot and being approachable. Say goodbye to poosy paradise.

Your own sexual interests are at stake too, let alone economic and cultural.

Well - in that case - concerned citizens in the UK should vote for the BNP (the far-right party in this country).

The major parties attract most of the votes. Yet I hear a large number of people who say they are sick of the levels of immigration from the 3rd world.

In which case - the answer is simple. Get out and campaign for the BNP.

The problem seems to be that people want to complain about immigration yet - even in the privacy of a voting booth - they will not vote for the one party that will do something about it.

I find it funny that most people are brave enough to speak out on these issues yet not brave enough to vote for the BNP.

That is taking cognitive dissonance to a whole new level.

At the end of the day - I am a supporter of democracy. And if people are not prepared to back the political party that represents them on this topic - then they shouldn't be surprised if the mainstream politicians ride rough shod over their concerns.

Have one or the other. As it is - people's backing of the mainstream parties is an implicit backing to the levels of immigration we have seen over the past 15 years.

It is that simple.

(10-09-2015 03:20 PM)Gamma Wrote:  The past decade.

That falls just outside the time period I gave.

I just think there should be a proportionate response to Islamic terrorism. The truth is that most Muslims just want to get along with people and chill out.

European countries have a right to decide who they wish to admit. Are you saying Muslims should be admitted because they are "chill" or because they are refugees?

If it is because they are "chill" then they should have no problem with patiently applyng for the legal immigration process.

If it is because they are refugees then they should apply for asylum in the first safe country they reach, Turkey.

A humanitarian catastrophe is not a free pass to benefits and permanent residence in the country of your choice. Treating a catastrophe in such a manner is taking advantage of basic altruism and is appropriately treated with disgust by a growing number of Europeans.

My understanding is that at times of genuine emergency - it is not unknown for asylum checks to be relaxed.

As for your point about Turkey. I agree completely. All I can imagine is that Turkey wants the rest of Europe to help lighten the load on them?

(10-09-2015 03:20 PM)Gamma Wrote:  The past decade.

That falls just outside the time period I gave.

I just think there should be a proportionate response to Islamic terrorism. The truth is that most Muslims just want to get along with people and chill out.

You are certainly living up to your username with such a sanctimonious response.
I could also say:
'Between October 2001 and October 2011, there was only 55 people in the US killed by Islamic terrorism'
Except I'm not trying to antagonise people with deliberately trollish .posts
Now, engage like a man, presuming you are a man, or prepare to be ousted from this forum very soon.

Yeah - that was a dickhead move by me.

I apologise.

I just think it is interesting the amount of coverage Islamic terrorism gets versus the actual number of deaths.

On average - in the West - horses probably kill more people a year than do Islamic terrorists.

(10-09-2015 03:41 PM)Gamma Wrote:  My understanding is that at times of genuine emergency - it is not unknown for asylum checks to be relaxed.

As for your point about Turkey. I agree completely. All I can imagine is that Turkey wants the rest of Europe to help lighten the load on them?

Turkey is NOT Europe. Turkey will never be in the EU. Geographically Kazakhstan has as much of a claim to Europe.

I wasn't sure before but I am now sure you are trolling this thread.

(10-09-2015 03:53 PM)Gamma Wrote:  On average - in the West - horses probably kill more people a year than do Islamic terrorists.

Horses don't have an organized religion or a Team of horses intentionally stomping humans into the ground.

Measuring this just in kills is unproductive since most of Europe has a relatively low murder rate anyway. What about the increase in all other sorts of crimes, specifically in the countries that have taken in more muslim immigrants, such as Sweden, France, UK, Germany?

The number of rapes, thefts, the no-go zones, the "muslim patrols", the harassing of locals and the imposition of Islam. All these are troublesome, specifically the last one which is something more long term. As I've said before, the problem is not even the ones that are entering now, they're a smaller part of the problem.

The bigger problem are the ones that are already here PLUS the ones that can potentially come in the following years. This will either be a loss or a win for Europe (and the West). And quite likely a resounding loss or a thunderous win.

I think people here are underestimating the European capacity of revolt... Especially during the current economic crisis....

Turkey has been in talks to join the EU since 2005. And has been a candidate since 1999.

So - on a political level - Turkey is working with the EU in a number of areas.

I am not trolling. I am just talking about Europe in a political sense of the word.

(10-09-2015 03:20 PM)Gamma Wrote:  The past decade.

That falls just outside the time period I gave.

I just think there should be a proportionate response to Islamic terrorism. The truth is that most Muslims just want to get along with people and chill out.

Even if that's true (and I don't think it is), they are fine with the actions of a minority that wants Islamic dominance and Sharia law.

Also, this is a pick-up forum. Not the best place to defend a culture that makes pick-up impossible.
Not to mention the skewed sex ratios the immigrants bring with them. Or the fact that even when they are not screwed, muslim women currently (that will change when islamic culture is destroyed for profit motives) do not have casual sex.

Quote: they will not vote for the one party that will do something about it.

BNP will do jack shit about immigration if elected. Every single right-wing party on this continent is infiltrated with people on government payroll. Besides, even if that was not the case, elected politicians cannot do anything without the help of the unelected government bureaucracy - and we all know that in the last 50 years, government bureaucracy has turned into a perpetual left-wing parasitic class.
As one relatively famous Bulgarian political scientist says, 'People today can change politicians but they cannot change policies'. If you think the political battles of the following decades can be fought and won at the voting boot, you are in for a rude awakening.

(10-09-2015 04:02 PM)Gamma Wrote:  Turkey has been in talks to join the EU since 2005. And has been a candidate since 1999.

So - on a political level - Turkey is working with the EU in a number of areas.

I am not trolling. I am just talking about Europe in a political sense of the word.

It is hard to take someone at face value that equivocates Turkey with EU countries when it comes to taking in refugees.

Let me spell it out for you, Turkey is a Muslim country. It is much easier for a Muslim country to assimilate Muslims.

Turkey is bordering Syria. Which means when the crisis is resolved it is much easier for refugees to go home; voluntarily or involuntarily.

(10-09-2015 04:06 PM)johnfortunebg Wrote:  Even if that's true (and I don't think it is), they are fine with the actions of a minority that wants Islamic dominance and Sharia law.

Also, this is a pick-up forum. Not the best place to defend a culture that makes pick-up impossible.
Not to mention the skewed sex ratios the immigrants bring with them. Or the fact that even when they are not screwed, muslim women currently (that will change when islamic culture is destroyed for profit motives) do not have casual sex.

Agreed this would happen in their own countries - but come to the states. Muslims/Arabs/Whatever - game and muslim women bang. They're just very on the down-low about it. You don't see much crazy shit like the UK or Paris has. 9/11 kept most in check here.

This is more than a game forum, the Everything Else forum is for....well everything else and neo-masculinity.

I don't think we need to defend the culture - I think they need to asses and take responsibility and stop being so fucking silent about it.

neon-masculinity?

(10-09-2015 04:34 PM)kaotic Wrote:  ...well everything else and neon-masculinity.

GODDAMIT I fixed it ! I knew you mother fuckers were going to take advantage.

lzzozolzolozlozzol

(10-09-2015 04:39 PM)kaotic Wrote:  GODDAMIT I fixed it ! I knew you mother fuckers were going to take advantage.

Yeah I bet you already have a shipment coming, 2 pairs of those neon yellow slacks just in case one gets a stain.

(10-09-2015 04:52 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 04:39 PM)kaotic Wrote:  GODDAMIT I fixed it ! I knew you mother fuckers were going to take advantage.

Yeah I bet you already have a shipment coming, 2 pairs of those neon yellow slacks just in case one gets a stain.

Bitches love bright colors - gotta watch out for the snail trails though.

(10-09-2015 04:57 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 04:52 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 04:39 PM)kaotic Wrote:  GODDAMIT I fixed it ! I knew you mother fuckers were going to take advantage.

Yeah I bet you already have a shipment coming, 2 pairs of those neon yellow slacks just in case one gets a stain.

Bitches love bright colors - gotta watch out for the snail trails though.

They are still making fun of Medwedew over his neon blue suit. I guess he took the neon-masculinity to heart.

Bad weather causes migrant surge - reuters

Lesbos is running out of space to bury the dead apparently and the bleeding hearts at the UN are calling for a better system to cope with the influx.

Better system meaning more benefits, more accommodation and more healthcare directed to the foreigners.

Must be wonderful being in your late 40s and early 50s and seeing these parasites consume everything you would be entitled too after a long life of work.

My generation will be royally screwed if this continues.

(10-09-2015 05:38 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Bad weather causes migrant surge - reuters

Lesbos is running out of space to bury the dead apparently and the bleeding hearts at the UN are calling for a better system to cope with the influx.

Better system meaning more benefits, more accommodation and more healthcare directed to the foreigners.

Must be wonderful being in your late 40s and early 50s and seeing these parasites consume everything you would be entitled too after a long life of work.

My generation will be royally screwed if this continues.

Bullshit - weather - yeah - it's the logical surge due to the fact that they see the EU not doing shit. It will be 15.000 / day by spring and 20.000 / day by summer 2016.

Also the usual propaganda in the article:

Quote:Many of the arrivals are Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis fleeing war and persecution.

First of all - "many" as in among anyone seizing the opportunity as men from Pakistan are buying fake Syrian passports as well?

Also who told the 60+ million Iraqis and Afghanis that they all could come as well? Eritreans are being distributed across Europe now?

Quote:The UNHCR welcomed the start of an EU programme to relocate 160,000 refugees from Italy and Greece to other participating EU countries, as a first group of 19 Eritrean asylum seekers left Italy for Sweden.

"But it is obvious that we need a much bigger capacity and system," Guterres said.

Yeah - you need a bigger Europe and economic capacity and also you need more rape kits, because 1 billion poor would be happy to come to Europe within the next 20 years if the EU traitors are able to pull off it off.

It may be pulled from the UN but we cannot ignore the fact winter in Eastern Europe and further East is pretty brutal. These people would normally wait for the next Spring to come but a sense of urgency to get here has taken over.